NFT: Knicks Chat: Draft 2 days away

love to clown the Kings here but waiting until the very last second to make a trade is exactly what they should be doing

I agree. Kings are waiting on Godfather offer.

In comment 15738370 DanMetroMan said:

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love to clown the Kings here but waiting until the very last second to make a trade is exactly what they should be doing

It all depends on the outcome. If they choose to play a game of chicken with the pick they may reap more, or possibly less. Can't gauge how good the strategy really is until it plays out.

interesting Obi numbers
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for 4 & Sabonis. Who says no?

HAHAHA.

Smart here. I think they are fine with picking Murray at 4 or trading out. Hopefully we can get a deal in place with Detroit for 5 if they take Murray at 4.

In comment 15738345 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15738340 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: I don't see a team taking him off our hands. Fine, then make the best out of it, Get a real PG here, take the playmaming duties and reduce Randles role so he can just be a double-double guy.. and play him and Obi together for 10 to 15 minutes a night ao Obi can get 25 minutss night..

This. Everyone here is freaking out desperately wanting to dump Randle. How about for once we put him with a competent starting PG who can run an offense and see if we can maximize what he does well and not have the ball in his hands so much

I get the whole 'Let's get a real PG for JR' angle', but the man was a wreck this past season. And I have no idea what happened. As I speculated multiple times in Knicks game threads, I don't know if he had stuff going on in his personal life....but he was a disaster. And his contract is an complete albatross. We gotta move him IMO.

fairness, Randle seemed to force the bully ball/"point forward". He looked like he wanted to be Lebron, I never got the feeling he felt "uncomfortable" in the role, if anything we need to see if he's "comfortable" with a lesser role/less touches.

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Portland Trail Blazers are in pursuit of Toronto Raptors forward OG Anunoby with the No. 7 pick in Thursday’s draft in play, league sources tell
@YahooSports
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In comment 15738384 Stu11 said:

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In comment 15738345 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15738340 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: I don't see a team taking him off our hands. Fine, then make the best out of it, Get a real PG here, take the playmaming duties and reduce Randles role so he can just be a double-double guy.. and play him and Obi together for 10 to 15 minutes a night ao Obi can get 25 minutss night.. This. Everyone here is freaking out desperately wanting to dump Randle. How about for once we put him with a competent starting PG who can run an offense and see if we can maximize what he does well and not have the ball in his hands so much

It's not Randle's game. It isn't Thibs' style. Randle should have been moved earlier when some of us were suggesting it. Now his value has plummeted. Randle and Obi cannot succeed under Thibs. It goes against everything he does. We cannot hope for the best case scenario. We have to go with what is true. Worst case scenario should be that Randle starts out here, Thibs does the same shit with his rotation, and we trade him to a team contending. Randle is a mental midget and cannot handle NY.

In comment 15738384 Stu11 said:

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In comment 15738345 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15738340 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: I don't see a team taking him off our hands. Fine, then make the best out of it, Get a real PG here, take the playmaming duties and reduce Randles role so he can just be a double-double guy.. and play him and Obi together for 10 to 15 minutes a night ao Obi can get 25 minutss night.. This. Everyone here is freaking out desperately wanting to dump Randle. How about for once we put him with a competent starting PG who can run an offense and see if we can maximize what he does well and not have the ball in his hands so much

My biggest issue is getting Obi minutes..,,This play Randle 35 minutes no matter what whike Obi plays 10 to 15 and thats it no matter what doesnt fly anymore

In comment 15738391 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I get the whole 'Let's get a real PG for JR' angle', but the man was a wreck this past season. And I have no idea what happened. As I speculated multiple times in Knicks game threads, I don't know if he had stuff going on in his personal life....but he was a disaster. And his contract is an complete albatross. We gotta move him IMO.

Listen I'm fine trading him, and if we bring back a similar crew plus a draft pick I'm not gonna be thrilled. However that contract is NOT an albatross and if we can't trade him I can live with it if we add a quality PG to have the ball in their hands late in the game. Last year was rough, but maybe this year he gets over whatever was the issue personally and regains his 2020-21 form.

In comment 15738379 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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for 4 & Sabonis. Who says no? HAHAHA.

LOL...would be nice be Randle's contract is a no go for Sac.

EXACTLY. As long as Thibs is here & JR is on the roster, Obi isn't seeing significant minutes. It is as simple as that.

'Albatross' might have been too strong of a word, but his contract is definitely a hindrance.

Oh well we'll see how things shake out. I'm losing confidence that this front office can pull anything of consequence off.

and then normal disappointment sets per usual.

8? If we stick @ 11...what time we picking?

In comment 15738413 GFAN52 said:

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and then normal disappointment sets per usual.

Lol the other only exciting days a year for Knicks fans are the days leading up to the draft and free agency. We entertain ourselves with BS rumors and then reality sets in and we do nothing.

In comment 15738419 Stu11 said:

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In comment 15738413 GFAN52 said: Quote: and then normal disappointment sets per usual. Lol the other only exciting days a year for Knicks fans are the days leading up to the draft and free agency. We entertain ourselves with BS rumors and then reality sets in and we do nothing.

When you haven't won a championship since 1973, it's the little things that matter lol.

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In comment 15738292 Giantfan21 said: Quote: This really doesn't make any sense to me. How can they possibly keep him when he was so lousy on and off the court last year ? On top of that, the young guys play better playing at a faster pace while he likes to hold the ball and slow the game down putting the offense at a standstill . Last but most important, He completely blocks OBI development who will only get 13 minutes a night if Randle is still here. The most important issue is getting rid of Randle and everything else should be secondary I don't agree with it but my guess is he doesn't have any trade value. If this regime has shown us anything it's that they're all about asset maximization and they're probably hoping he can have a bounce back year rather than attach a pick to move him.

They might be thinking let's try to maximize JR as an asset and then trade him at a later point, but at what cost ?

While they are trying to rehabilitate his value, they are depreciating OBI and Quickley values at the same time (especially OBI) so in the long run nothing is accomplished . This is best case scenario.

Worst case scenario , Randle has another miserable year and now he is a negative asset and it will take multiple attached 1st round picks to dump him.

At least now they can trade him while his deal is neutral and let the young kids free and build around that core and play at a faster pace.

but the Knicks have as good a chance as anyone in this Ivey pursuit - the pick is clearly up for grabs and they want him.

Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
Portland Trail Blazers are in pursuit of Toronto Raptors forward OG Anunoby with the No. 7 pick in Thursday’s draft in play, league sources tell @YahooSports
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he’s a tough player to fit on most teams and you don’t know which version you’re going to get.

the pick for a future 2nd rounder, I'm resigned to them picking between Branham and Griffin. Certainly two talented players, I don't know whom I like better though. Griffin seems more vertically explosive while Branham has more lateral quickness. Too bad we already have a bunch of 2/3's on the team.

Ivey is just a pipe dream.

In comment 15738441 bceagle05 said:

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but the Knicks have as good a chance as anyone in this Ivey pursuit - the pick is clearly up for grabs and they want him.

Yeah i feel like in the end if there is a way to make a deal, i think the Knicks will end up doing it..

But to go all in on Ivey. It's the shot this FO need to take. He has the potential to be a top 10 talent in the league and let's be honest the Knicks have not had anyone with his potential in decades.
RJ has potential to be a very good player but never had the upside of Ivey.
We are not getting a top 10 player to come here so you better grow one, take the shot go all in.

is the player we have to part with along with picks I'm fine with that. Players like him can be found elsewhere. We have to take a shot for a star. They aren't good enough to win a championship, but they aren't bad enough to pick atop the lottery either.

said he heard from a trusted source that the front office told Randle IF he is back it will be in a reduced role..

In comment 15738467 nygiants16 said:

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said he heard from a trusted source that the front office told Randle IF he is back it will be in a reduced role..

Randle doesn't want to be here. He doesn't want to be here. Let's find a way to cut ties.

to pair either Ivey or Sharpe with Holmgren

Site infected???

and they are loaded with picks. Still don't see the how the Knicks move up for him.

"The Thunder are aggressively trying to trade up from No. 12 with their primary targets being Jaden Ivey and Shaedon Sharpe to pair with Chet Holmgren at No. 2, per @DraftExpress"

He expects a lot of trades in the next 24 hours..

Also said he expects the Knicks to be agressive in clearing space for Brunson..

In comment 15738473 GFAN52 said:

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and they are loaded with picks. Still don't see the how the Knicks move up for him. "The Thunder are aggressively trying to trade up from No. 12 with their primary targets being Jaden Ivey and Shaedon Sharpe to pair with Chet Holmgren at No. 2, per @DraftExpress"

TF
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Wanted to clarify, there is a report from
@esidery
quoting Givony about OKC trying to trade up for Sharpe or Ivey.

This isn't new & has been said for weeks in his mocks, really isn't anything happening right now we know of & Woj didn't mention OKC as one of the teams trading up

Jake Fischer
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Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would swap John Collins for Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." More league-wide trade notes
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In comment 15738487 DanMetroMan said:

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Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer · 1m Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would swap John Collins for Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." More league-wide trade notes @BR_NBA :

I would gladly give up 3 firsts for Murray

Knicks are not offering 11 for brogdon, its a combo of Burks, noel, Kemba, Fournier and Cam

will land in Indiana in a Brogdon deal watch lol.

In comment 15738493 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15738487 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer · 1m Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would swap John Collins for Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." More league-wide trade notes @BR_NBA : I would gladly give up 3 firsts for Murray

Holiday was two unprotected firsts, one lightly protected first and two pick swaps. That’s a dangerous move for the Knicks (less so for a contending team)

In comment 15738496 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 15738493 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15738487 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer · 1m Atlanta and San Antonio have discussed a deal that would swap John Collins for Dejounte Murray, sources said. Spurs have told interests teams that moving Murray would require a "Jrue Holiday-like package." More league-wide trade notes @BR_NBA : I would gladly give up 3 firsts for Murray Holiday was two unprotected firsts, one lightly protected first and two pick swaps. That’s a dangerous move for the Knicks (less so for a contending team)

Murray is an absolute stud on both ends..

If you can keep Iq, Rj and Obi out if the deal, probably would have to include 1 but id absolutely love to have him over paying Brunson 25 million a year

unless we’re talking about a legit top player. Murray is really good but he’s not Luka Doncic. The Knicks aren’t in a place where they can risk missing out on a guy that could be like Wembanyama.

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unless we’re talking about a legit top player. Murray is really good but he’s not Luka Doncic. The Knicks aren’t in a place where they can risk missing out on a guy that could be like Wembanyama.

I would counter that Murray IS a star PG. About his only weakness is shooting the 3- and he’s vastly better than Rose in that area. Murray is also a solid on-ball defender- lead the league in steals this season. He also had about a 3.5:1 Assist to turnover ratio.

I’d give up a good bit to get that kind of PG with the Knicks.

In comment 15738494 nygiants16 said:

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Knicks are not offering 11 for brogdon, its a combo of Burks, noel, Kemba, Fournier and Cam

LOL. If Leon Rose can pull off trading a bunch of our trash for Brogdon, that would be awesome.

LFG men! 'I do not know what course others make take, but as for me...give me Ivey or give me death!'

Or play it safe again. Either way today is going to be an interesting day. Hope we get a load of rumors and movement around the league.

Do you guys feel good about Thibs as his HC? I feel from what I am reading that it just isn't a good match. It sounds like Ivey is at his best when pushing the ball.

really understand how the sports books work, but Banchero is now the favorite to go #1

In comment 15738575 robbieballs2003 said:

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Do you guys feel good about Thibs as his HC? I feel from what I am reading that it just isn't a good match. It sounds like Ivey is at his best when pushing the ball.

So was Derrick Rose, Thibs loves big guards who get downhil and attack the rim, Ivey is actually a perfect fit for him