NFT: Mets Minors 6/21/2022

pretty impressive given the bad start for vientos
Eric on Li : 10:31 am : link : reply
mets have players on 3 of 4 lists (nobody in A+) and on a quick glance it looks like they are the only org to have that.

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Triple-A wRC+ leaders

Filters: qualified, 22U

134 Luis Garcia WSN
127 Ji-hwan Bae PIT
121 Mark Vientos NYM
114 Miguel Vargas LAD
99 Eguy Rosario SD
85 Brice Turang MIL
76 Oswald Peraza NYY
61 Heliot Ramos SF

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Double-A wRC+ leaders

Filters: qualified, 21U

180 Gunnar Henderson BAL
170 Corbin Carroll ARI
161 Ezequiel Tovar COL
151 George Valera CLE
151 Francisco Alvarez NYM
149 Curtis Mead TB
136 Jordan Walker STL
129 Michael Harris II ATL
126 Jordan Diaz OAK
118 Andy Pages LAD

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High-A wRC+ leaders

Filters: qualified, 20U

158 Elly De La Cruz CIN
151 Colt Keith DET
148 Robert Hassell III SD
148 Marco Luciano SF
137 Angel Martinez CLE
133 Drew Romo COL
132 Zac Veen COL
122 Bryan Ramos CHW
116 Jhonkensy Noel CLE
110 Thomas Saggese TEX

Low-A wRC+ leaders

Filters: qualified, 19U

198 Emmanuel Rodriguez MIN
179 Jackson Chourio MIL
152 Gabriel Martinez TOR
146 Hao Yu Lee PHI
146 Alejandro Osuna TEX
146 Carson Williams TB
142 Kevin Alcantara CHC
134 Alex Ramirez NYM
133 Edgar Quero LAA
132 Jasson Dominguez NYY

really have something cooking. Sad Nutting is unwilling to sell/they blackballed Cuban (Pittsburgh native).

and Chourio are both potential superstars. De La Cruz is what we wish Mauricio was.

Game at 6:35??

I'd love to watch that live..

Early start in the FCL, Richard Brito allowed 2 hits 1 er and struck out 2 in one inning of work, 19 year old Jose Acuna has struck out 3 over 2 innings, Hector Rodriguez (OBP over .400) stole both 2nd and 3rd after walking to lead-off the game but failed to score

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11. New York Mets: Jace Jung, 2B, Texas Tech The Mets have two picks in the first round, Nos. 11 and 14, so they are linked to a huge group of players, and other teams think they’ll get creative and move some of that huge bonus pool around – one rumor has them willing to offer Elijah Green well over slot if he gets here. Jung didn’t look great as Tech’s season finished, so he might be sliding into the teens. Scouting report: Jung has one of the weirdest setups you will ever see in a hitter above Little League, holding the bat so far behind his back shoulder that you’d think it was covered in a toxic fungus. Or perhaps cooties. Yet he hits — he hit well enough as a sophomore in 2021, with a .337/.462/.697 line and more walks than strikeouts, that he probably would have gone in the top half of the first round last year had he been eligible. The younger brother of Rangers prospect Josh Jung, Jace gets the bat head into the zone in plenty of time to make consistent, high-quality contact, including power, with 21 homers as a sophomore and 14 this season. His position is still the main question; he’s mostly played second base in college, not that well, but doesn’t have the arm for the left side of the infield or the speed to play anywhere else but left field or first base. There’s enough reason to buy his bat that he’s going to go in the top-10 picks even with such a huge unknown in his profile.

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14. New York Mets: Jett Williams, SS, Rockwall-Heath (Texas) High The Mets have been linked to Williams for several weeks now, as well as prep lefty Robbie Snelling, while they’ve also heavily scouted a number of players who should be “tweeners” (players who’ll go between their picks) but could be under-slot candidates here, too. Scouting report: Williams is the other 5-8 high school shortstop in this draft class, behind Termarr Johnson because of the latter’s elite hit tool … but how far behind, really? He’s a right-handed hitter with a clean, efficient swing, and his hand-eye coordination rivals Johnson’s; Williams almost never swung and missed last summer on the showcase circuit and didn’t show any trouble with velocity when he faced it. He’s an above-average to plus runner, quick enough for shortstop but lacking the arm strength or footwork for the position in the long term, so it’s more likely he’ll move to second base or possibly centerfield. There’s always some trepidation around undersized high school hitters, but I remember a similarly sized right-handed high school shortstop who rarely struck out and hit everything hard — Alex Bregman.

https://theathletic.com/3374301/2022/06/21/mlb-mock-draft-druw-jones/ - ( New Window )

love Williams at 14 (big time sleeper for me) not big on Jung. Would take Whisenhunt over him there, Crawford as well

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Big-boy power. Might take more reps to connect in MLB as a power-over-hit prospect, but he has MLB impact raw power.

Discipline indicators are improving and he's young for levels. Will need to keep Ks in check to get most favorable outcomes on balls in play.

to read they would potentially go significantly over slot if Green somehow floated his way to 11. Massive boom or bust type talent. Seems very unlikely to happen.

4 innings 2 hits 0 runs 0 walks 5 k's for Acuna, 19 years old, low to mid 90's FB, one to watch

Simon Juan 0-1, he's now 5/38 with 9 k's to start his pro career #Mets

Perozo granny, first homer of the year

Acuna 5 innings 3 hits 0 runs 0 walks 7 k’s

these threads. You guys have really reeled me in.

My question....Why would we draft a SS at 14 when we Have Lindor for 8+ more years?

Trade bait at some point? BPA?

Educate me, Please. Thanks!

In comment 15737106 GiantBlue said:

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these threads. You guys have really reeled me in. My question....Why would we draft a SS at 14 when we Have Lindor for 8+ more years? Trade bait at some point? BPA? Educate me, Please. Thanks!

Teams do not draft for need. The Nats have been heavily tied to Kevin Parada at 5 despite having Ruiz (for example). Most teams see Williams as a 2b/CF but others say he has at least an average arm when healthy (had a shoulder issue)

"One crosschecker called him the best hitter on the summer showcase circuit, where he raked despite an injury to his right shoulder. "

his helium it was reported the Mets were extremely high on Jackson Holliday (another SS) he's almost certainly gone by 11 but another example.

I appreciate your knowledge. Got it. :) Thank you.

In comment 15737114 GiantBlue said:

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I appreciate your knowledge. Got it. :) Thank you.

No problem. Any time.

Worth noting @mikeaxisa has also reported @mets have been "connected to" Jett Williams for weeks #Mets

has potentially 2 plus tools (hit/run) with underrated pop and is considered a real gamer.

-was just DMed "they LOVE Williams, he may not even be there at 11 at this point".

No Met is leading their position..Pete is 2nd, McNeil and Lindor are 3rd

Marte is leading Mets OFer! Nimmo isn't even in the top 10. Mets need to do a better job marketing that guy...literally the best on-field role model for any kid playing baseball.

Mets have been "heavy" on Williams for a few months now. Very much a guy they want.

I see Joel Diaz came out of hiding and had a bad outing Friday. Very young so will live with the growing pains.

For draft at this moment I'd go Crawford/Lesko if possible.

Hector Rodriguez at it again, leads off game 2 with a HR. He's now 16/37 on the season (1.031 OPS) and has been on base 9/10 games played

go Jett Williams at 11 and Crawford or one of the prep arms at 14

held a private workout with Crawford FWIW

Simon Juan 0-3, Sarmiento 1-3, Henriquez 1-2

Jeez, not a pitch in nearly a year and no real schedule moving forward, the only thing we hear is he wants to opt out.
Bye Jacob it was nice.

In comment 15737205 HewlettGiant said:

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Jeez, not a pitch in nearly a year and no real schedule moving forward, the only thing we hear is he wants to opt out. Bye Jacob it was nice.

?? Is there some news we are missing?

Weird post.

Sim game on Friday. Expectation is they will announce his rehab assignment shortly (assuming he felt fine after the sim game). He’s going to need 3-5 rehab starts so despite some early July talk, very unlikely he’s back before the second half which begins in about 4 weeks)

if they have him back for the stretch run and (hopefully) the playoffs, he is better than any deadline addition

deGrom post came from... it was weird.

Yesterday was his bday and there is footage of him out there working out on the field. No new news, just what has already been said here.

As far as not rushing him, I agree... but also no need to waste bullets in AA or AAA if he can give you 5 innings/75 pitches towards back end of a rehab.

If he will sign signficantly below slot, I find Tucker Toman intriguing from the HS ranks. Heck, even signing for 21st/22nd pick money (still above where he is projected), would be a nearly $1.8M savings at Pick 11. I legit think he has the tools to be worth the 11th pick.

do they risk that he's going to get back or add a top of the rotation arm?

if it's going to cost them a big prospect to get a reliever, i'd actually probably bet that they trade for a SP right now. kind of like the LAD did last year adding both Scherzer/Turner in a big deal. something like:

Mauricio, Dom, another piece (Peterson or Megill maybe?)
for
Montas or Mahle or Castillo
and a back end reliever

all 3 SP have an arb year next year so also hedge if JDG or Bassitt move on.

when he gets back. He could be a real weapon there down the stretch

In comment 15737242 KDavies said:

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when he gets back. He could be a real weapon there down the stretch

100% agree.

Minor back too. His stats are bad but his savant page looks very similar to the last few years. elite fb spin and good exit velo numbers. his velocity is similar to last year and returning to the bp you'd probably expect that to go up a little.

Minor + Castillo fully paid for by Cohen saves the Reds 7 or 8m the rest of the year assuming the season is a little over half over at the time of the trade. Mahle saves Reds about $1m less.

has mets listed for Castillo (#1), Montas (#2), Freeland (#5).
MLB trade deadline: Ranking the top 10 starting pitchers who could be traded, and their best team fits - ( New Window )

Which makes me want to ask what you forsee happening at the deal deadline.

Relievers, yeah. I can't help but think I wouldn't mind another bat though to really push a strength.

Hector Rodriguez with a bases loaded 4th inning triple, giving him a HR and a triple through 4 innings and for the day is now 3-5 with a HR, triple, bb, 2 steals and 4 rbi. His OPS now stands at 1.080 and he has reached base 2+ times 7 times in 9+ games played and once 9/10

In comment 15737274 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Which makes me want to ask what you forsee happening at the deal deadline. Relievers, yeah. I can't help but think I wouldn't mind another bat though to really push a strength.

i think i just talked myself into thinking they are going to add 1 of the reds/oak top of rotation SP.

if they do, they have 1 of them plus Scherzer, Bassitt, Carrasco, and JDG if he gets back. Maybe Walker moves to BP as his innings start going up. And obviously you can afford at least 1 injury (or setback to JDG). And it gets them a jump on replacing whoever leaves in the offseason among Bassitt, Walker, JDG.

i think they will get another piece back in that deal whether it's a RP or an extra fringe bat, but i dont see them giving up a top prospect like Mauricio for a hitter or reliever on their own.

be rich by Freeland is owed 57.5 million and hasn't posted a sub-4 FIP since 2018 with a very ugly savant page, very hard pass unless the Rockies were eating significant money and that doesn't seem too likely.

In comment 15737284 DanMetroMan said:

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be rich by Freeland is owed 57.5 million and hasn't posted a sub-4 FIP since 2018 with a very ugly savant page, very hard pass unless the Rockies were eating significant money and that doesn't seem too likely.

yeah very strange inclusion on that list in general.

Bowden unaware people can look up H/R splits?

He makes it sound like Freeland away from Coors is "much" better. His road FIP career is 4.35, with a 4.66 xFIP, at home 4.67/4.43

is outpitching Freeland, in fact... Peterson 4.46 career FIP, 4.36 xFIP, Freeland 4.51/4.54

they seem to know the oak org so well i'd probably guess he's more likely than the cincy guys, but i see more obvious salary they could eat from cincy to facilitate a deal (pham/minor). oakland's only salary dump is prob piscotty?

In comment 15737283 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 15737274 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: Which makes me want to ask what you forsee happening at the deal deadline. Relievers, yeah. I can't help but think I wouldn't mind another bat though to really push a strength. i think i just talked myself into thinking they are going to add 1 of the reds/oak top of rotation SP. if they do, they have 1 of them plus Scherzer, Bassitt, Carrasco, and JDG if he gets back. Maybe Walker moves to BP as his innings start going up. And obviously you can afford at least 1 injury (or setback to JDG). And it gets them a jump on replacing whoever leaves in the offseason among Bassitt, Walker, JDG. i think they will get another piece back in that deal whether it's a RP or an extra fringe bat, but i dont see them giving up a top prospect like Mauricio for a hitter or reliever on their own.

I'm a little nervous about this lineup being able to play like they want to play once they're facing consistently good starting pitching. They'll rake through the regular season but I'm not sure about their odds facing top-level arms.

Watching how they hit against Burnes, then Alcantara got me thinking.

but looking at the braves last year, i think you might be able to find that player as close to a salary dump. and it could be vientos or dom.

i actually think their lineup is one that's kind of built for the playoffs 1-5 so i feel pretty good about it. the issue is 7-9. Escobar, DH, C.

Not much to do about C and who knows, maybe Alvarez gets up this year.

Not gonna make a big move at 3b with Vientos/Baty so close.

So it's really just finding someone to give them another DH option along with Vientos/JDD/Dom. Ideally a lefty who is RF capable. If Seattle wants to dump Winker I'd be in on that.

In comment 15737297 Eric on Li said:

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they seem to know the oak org so well i'd probably guess he's more likely than the cincy guys, but i see more obvious salary they could eat from cincy to facilitate a deal (pham/minor). oakland's only salary dump is prob piscotty?

Bowden has Castillo #1, I'd take Montas over Castillo personally. He averages nearly 6 innings per start and has less tread on his tires. I wouldn't argue hard for Montas over Castillo or vice versa.
Mahle behind those 2 BUT Mahle #1 likely costs less but #2 likely costs less with the same upside (if not slightly greater). Mahle has a 3.29 FIP 10.37 K/9 and might have the best pure stuff of the trio. If you told me Mahle would cost less talent wise he would be my pick, if it were head to head to head Montas by a nose but all 3 would be very nice additions (not the worst thing to have an eye towards 2023's roster if it makes sense)

In comment 15737313 Eric on Li said:

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but looking at the braves last year, i think you might be able to find that player as close to a salary dump. and it could be vientos or dom. i actually think their lineup is one that's kind of built for the playoffs 1-5 so i feel pretty good about it. the issue is 7-9. Escobar, DH, C. Not much to do about C and who knows, maybe Alvarez gets up this year. Not gonna make a big move at 3b with Vientos/Baty so close. So it's really just finding someone to give them another DH option along with Vientos/JDD/Dom. Ideally a lefty who is RF capable. If Seattle wants to dump Winker I'd be in on that.

Seattle just signed Winker to a 2 year deal. They may still deal him but it seems unlikely they did this in order to trade him. Sure, a trading team might see the cost certainty in his 2023 salary but it feels like Seattle would have just dealt him vs. giving guaranteed money if that were their plan.

an interesting add

183 wRC+ vs. lefties this season

"What a bizarre season it’s been for Christian Walker. His power has fully rebounded and has taken another step up, but his BABIP has plummeted to just .180! Sure, he’s become an extreme fly ball hitter and hasn’t hit enough line drives, but surely he deserves better than this. Remember, Statcast accounts for his batted ball types and still thinks he should be hitting .275. When you pair that with his power, you’re suddenly left with a top first baseman! His surrounding offense is slowing down his runs scored and RBI counts, but with a rebound in batting average, he could be one of the better ones the rest of the way."

In comment 15737322 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15737313 Eric on Li said: Quote: but looking at the braves last year, i think you might be able to find that player as close to a salary dump. and it could be vientos or dom. i actually think their lineup is one that's kind of built for the playoffs 1-5 so i feel pretty good about it. the issue is 7-9. Escobar, DH, C. Not much to do about C and who knows, maybe Alvarez gets up this year. Not gonna make a big move at 3b with Vientos/Baty so close. So it's really just finding someone to give them another DH option along with Vientos/JDD/Dom. Ideally a lefty who is RF capable. If Seattle wants to dump Winker I'd be in on that. Seattle just signed Winker to a 2 year deal. They may still deal him but it seems unlikely they did this in order to trade him. Sure, a trading team might see the cost certainty in his 2023 salary but it feels like Seattle would have just dealt him vs. giving guaranteed money if that were their plan.

interesting was that an arb case that was dragging into the season like bassitt or did they just guarantee next year? it would definitely be selling low and an abnormal move ahead of a trade but it is dipoto.

his 2023 salary

In comment 15737345 DanMetroMan said:

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his 2023 salary

i wonder if they did it just to take some pressure off him in the 2nd half since he's had such a bad year for him to this point?

it looks like he was still in arbitration with them for this year just like Bassitt so guaranteeing the 2nd year was part of the arb settlement. very unique situation bc of the lockout.

Layonel Ovalles 3 innings... 9 k's

In comment 15737354 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 15737345 DanMetroMan said: Quote: his 2023 salary i wonder if they did it just to take some pressure off him in the 2nd half since he's had such a bad year for him to this point? it looks like he was still in arbitration with them for this year just like Bassitt so guaranteeing the 2nd year was part of the arb settlement. very unique situation bc of the lockout.

Seems unlikely, if he continued this badly they likely would have considered non-tendering him vs. paying him a guaranteed 8.25 million next year. He's been that bad. .626 OPS 0 fWAR

im sure they still think he can be a good player for them and weren't looking to give him away as a negative asset in trade. they clearly don't think of him as a negative value asset. i'd probably swap him for jdd or dom if they are interested though.

Layonel Ovalles last 5.2 innings pitched...16 k's, not a typo. I've never seen him mentioned by ANYBODY before, in any capacity and his numbers last season were only "okay" so I'm guessing his stuff isn't great but who knows?

for Eric and his Vientos love lol

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J.D. Davis is out testing his left hand in early batting practice at Minute Maid Park.

In comment 15737394 DanMetroMan said:

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for Eric and his Vientos love lol Mike Puma @NYPost_Mets · 17m J.D. Davis is out testing his left hand in early batting practice at Minute Maid Park.

it's all good dom is back!

In comment 15737389 DanMetroMan said:

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Layonel Ovalles last 5.2 innings pitched...16 k's, not a typo. I've never seen him mentioned by ANYBODY before, in any capacity and his numbers last season were only "okay" so I'm guessing his stuff isn't great but who knows?

Never seen him, but asked someone who has. Apparently he’s got an odd full effort motion, that makes his off speed touch to read. Based on that, I’d ignore anything till at least AA lol

In comment 15737414 Shecky said:

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In comment 15737389 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Layonel Ovalles last 5.2 innings pitched...16 k's, not a typo. I've never seen him mentioned by ANYBODY before, in any capacity and his numbers last season were only "okay" so I'm guessing his stuff isn't great but who knows? Never seen him, but asked someone who has. Apparently he’s got an odd full effort motion, that makes his off speed touch to read. Based on that, I’d ignore anything till at least AA lol

Thanks Shecky,
I’ve done some deep dives on the Mets system this year with all sorts of people writers,bloggers, people in the know, a scout, a few minor leaguers and not once was he even mentioned so I assumed he wasn’t a “stuff” guy

Has done it again…. Another homer for Alvarez. Unreal

The present and the future in one game

How did he get them name? Does he look like one?

We call my sister in law smoky troll because she looks like one of those erasers u put on your pencils in high school ( with the crazy hair) and she basically injests cigarettes
A real term of endearment. LOL

In comment 15737694 Payasdaddy said:

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How did he get them name? Does he look like one? We call my sister in law smoky troll because she looks like one of those erasers u put on your pencils in high school ( with the crazy hair) and she basically injests cigarettes A real term of endearment. LOL

Childhood nickname he got while working for his father. The actual story hasn’t really been explained