Which QB would you pick to start the season for the NYG..

Then once the data shows he's not any good, turn to the draft for next year.

Then once North Jersey decides he's not any good, turn to the draft for next year.

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Lance and Jones second.

yes he is overpaid, but so are most QB’s not on rookie contracts. Cousins is better than he is given credit for because everyone always focuses on his contract.

I really don’t see much of a difference between him and Stafford to be honest. Put Cousins on that Rams team last year and you would likely see similar results.

small hands. smells like cabbage

Let's Go!

The argument for Jones was he's been here - he's got the "franchise" look to him - hard worker - everyone seems to love him inside the building - jury still out on him, etc.

The argument for Lance and Love were the same - stuck behind more talented guys, more accolades coming out of college than Jones, both seem to be more modern NFL on the move QBs but neither have been given a shot to play b/c of their circumstances.

The argument for Pickett was young QB with a young team. Thibs/Thomas/McKinney/Toney/Robinson/Pickett will all have a chance to grow together and change the culture. Timing would be right for when they become vets and (hopefully) good.

The argument for Cousins was legit known NFL QB. Has won in the league and everyone at the table (including the Casamigos) were tired of losing and he gives them the best chance to win now.

to get Pickett? If not, I’d go with him.

In comment 15737235 Reale01 said:

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Let's Go!

+1 I'm with you

Large Gap

Pickett
Jones

Gap

Cousins
Love

Because this is the season for hope to triumph over reason.

Then Pickett - because he is the new flavor.

Lance/Love - because I don't watch college football so I have no opinion other than what Sy told me in their draft year.

Cousins - definitely your best chance to win now, but more interested in building for the future.

And I am in the minority that thinks DJ could be a legit NFL starter. My hope (approaching expectation) is that we will regret not giving him his option year.

of course it's Cousins. He's the only PRO QB in that list that has actually enjoyed sustained success at the NFL level.

Cousins is underrated which is annoying because he isn't THAT good, but he's treated by most as some turd. He's at least average which is a shite side better than many bad QBs in this game.

if you are just looking for a QB for the 2022 season, the answer is clearly Cousins. He has an established track record the last 5-7 years being one of the top 10-12 QBs in the league.

If I have to pick a QB for the future, I'd be willing to roll with Lance, who has some very interesting plus skills worth developing.

Pickett and then Lance are probably the most valuable as far as potential vs. cost go more long term.

I would probably take Pickett, Lance and then Cousins in that order.

He's dogmeat, and would be treated as such if he were wearing a NYG uniform. But no, he's a top 12 QB in the NFL

umm...

Let JS, BD, MK, et al get started on molding their QB instead of trying to fix someone else's.

And it isn't close.

Not close.

If its getting a guy for the future, Lance, Pickett, Love, Cousins, Jones

but still skeptical. He’s got upside though something that’s very limited or non existent in the other options. We also can’t afford Cousins (if money counts) nor would I want to pay him it if we could.

By a nose..Tight race..No outstanding horses in this race..

so yeah, Cousins isn’t even doable, not even a candidate IMO.

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Im taking Jones here and by a wide margin.

Id just rather watch him try to develop in a new regime than watch any of the other guys.

And guys, I dont care how many TDs Kirk Cousins throws, he stinks.

If I choose Lance, do I take on the 49ers' full cap hit in 2022-2024 (3 years / ~$28MM)? Or am I off the hook for the bonus the 49ers already paid, as would be the case in a trade, leaving a cost of just ~$11.3MM for three years? If it's the latter, I take Lance in a heartbeat. Otherwise, tough call. I might stick with Jones on the understanding that I'm probably back in the market next year.

Cousins is the best QB on that list, but I'm not paying him $35MM to go 8-9 on a bad team.

Jones is obviously more athletic. Let the other newbies learn somewhere else. I want dividends after last few years.

Over Cousins? What have you seen on the field to make that choice? Or are you just trying to put the team in the best draft pick position for 2023?

Anybody but Cousins. His contract puts us back in cap hell. Puts up a ton of stats, but I don’t see that he’s elevated his teams.

In comment 15737672 MyNameIsMyName said:

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Over Cousins? What have you seen on the field to make that choice? Or are you just trying to put the team in the best draft pick position for 2023?

Neither. The OP said current contract status applies. Cousins' contract would destroy this team. The current talent difference between Cousins and Jones is not enough to make up for how bad the rest of the team would have to be to accommodate the contract. There is no situation where adding Cousins with his current contract would put the Giants in a better position than they currently are, short or long term.

Fuck this thread, delete it. We’re going Sizzler

I pick Mahommes.

The debate stemmed from the question, what if the Giants win 7-8 games next year.

The Giants would be out of range to get one of the big college prospects (so you would end up with another DJ type pick) hence the Pickett add, trade for an NFL QB that might be on the market (not sure the what 49ers or Packers are doing w/ their QB situation) or go the FA market (Mayfield, Jimmy G, Cousins next year), and lastly - you run it back with Jones.

If Lamar actually becomes a FA - the debates ends.

So while it is a fantasy, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for the Giants to faces with this dilemma next season.

I think very little of the other 4.

...Jones is at least hopeful.

Hard no to Cousins (contract)

Love and Pickett are wholly uninspiring.

Jones
Pickett
Cousins
Love

Jones or Lance. That is not to say that either are the best QB on the list, but for the price you are paying they offer the best ROI.

My biggest concern with Lance is that he has never been in an offense that has asked him to throw 30+ times per game with any regularity. Can he win a game like some of the recent matches we have had with New Orleans where they were very high scoring?

In comment 15737672 MyNameIsMyName said:

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Over Cousins? What have you seen on the field to make that choice? Or are you just trying to put the team in the best draft pick position for 2023?

How would Cousins have looked in our offense the last two years?

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In comment 15737672 MyNameIsMyName said: Quote: Over Cousins? What have you seen on the field to make that choice? Or are you just trying to put the team in the best draft pick position for 2023? How would Cousins have looked in our offense the last two years?

Also, from the OP:
"Current NYG roster in place and current contract status for each QB remains."

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In comment 15737672 MyNameIsMyName said: Quote: Over Cousins? What have you seen on the field to make that choice? Or are you just trying to put the team in the best draft pick position for 2023? How would Cousins have looked in our offense the last two years?

Likely better than Jones has looked.

him. I'd frankly go with Jones if restricted to that list

when it comes to the term "mobile".

IMO (a required BBI disclaimer these days) there's not much difference between Cousins and Jones when it comes to designed drop backs...both being sitting ducks in the pocket.

On designed runs however, Jones is awesome. His straight line speed at one point was clocked at an elite rate.

I don't think there's another QB like Jones in that regard.

many people here have actually seen Cousins in a lot of games. His contract would be the only reason not to lean towards him on this list. He is miles better in everything else than all of the other names on this list.

Tyrod Taylor. Trade Jones for magic beans(draft picks)