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Jon Heyman @JonHeyman · 2h Aaron Judge and the Yankees are still scheduled for their arbitration hearing tomorrow. No sign of progress in talks yet. The Yankees submitted $17M, Judge $21M. |
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A hearing is scheduled for June 22nd to determine the 2022 salary of New York Yankees outfielder Aaron Judge. In his final year of arbitration eligibility, Judge is asking for $21 million while the Yankees are offering the three-time American League All-Star $17 million. Hearings are normally held in February, but Major League Baseball’s 99-day lockout did not end until March 10th which affected business operations. Judge has avoided arbitration with the Yankees twice with one-year contracts worth $8.5 million (2020) and $10.175 million (2021). Due to the 60-game schedule in 2020, Judge’s prorated salary at approximately 37 percent was $3,148,148 according to Cot’s Baseball Contracts. |
Judge will get his money. They know it is business.
$42M a year? Huge pass
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tell him to forget about the arb, and slide a 8 x $42M deal in front of him.
$42M a year? Huge pass
8 years? 6 at those numbers.
pffft... the Yankees can afford all the bad contracts they want.
This is revisionist history, not even close to the truth.
The Yanks dynasty was built while George was out of the game serving a ban. By the time they let him back, the base of the team was built. For those who really remember how bad things were, the crowd in Yankee Stadium cheered when the team announced that George had been “suspended indefinitely.”
For the most part, the Yanks just asked George to sign checks to hold the dynasty players together.
It was when the itch for big name FA struck again in 2001 that things began to go back downhill. The Yanks brought in Mussina, Gianni and others to try and buy a pennant- and it all failed.
The team passed to Hank and Hal in 2008. In 2009, they went on a big spending spree to open the new Stadium- getting CC, Burnett and Tex- and it got them a title- but the bill eventually came due with big albatross contracts on the books.
The Yanks are running a TEAM now, not Superstar Central anymore.
Judge will get his money because he’s a Yankee. For those who refuse to see it, he’s going to get a $40+ plus a year deal for at least 8 years. That’s where they market is for a Superstar- even a home grown one. The Yanks tried to negotiate a hometown discount deal last winter because he hadn’t put up MVP numbers in several years. He didn’t bite. Now, he will get whatever he asks for.
But it won’t be because they want stars- its because like Jeter before him, he IS the core of this team.
I hate when people compare to what George would do. For those that might have been too young, when it was announced at the stadium that George was suspended a loud cheer erupted. Plus, when George was around, their was no luxury tax. I don’t think he would be happy giving money to his competitors.
Calling Judge injury prone is a bat signal of complete ignorance at this point.
8-10 year contracts for position players that are 30+ aren't wise, and logic says even more unwise for guys their size. This may be a flawed or unfair way of looking at it, but it is what it is. If I knew the Yankees didn't care about the luxury tax, I wouldn't care at all. But they do and suspect will continue to, so its decision that I very much question.
If Judge is injury prone then so is every MLB player going. The guy missed chunks of time in 19 and 20 and played the majority of games in 21.
Every player gets hurt. Some more than others but it's a gamble no matter how much some of you think you know it not to be.
Stanton....injury prone? He was the most important slugger in the lineup last year and this year hasn't missed THAT much time.
Labels...love them.
Stanton had knee and hamstring injuries early in his career that both recurred later on and also calf/quad injuries.
He's had a lot of leg issues/lower body stuff. Judge hasn't had any of that. It's been pretty much all upper body and the only one that wasn't the direct result of getting hit with a baseball or diving for a fly ball was the oblique issue from '19 that hasn't been problematic since.
Stanton definitely missed a larger % of games through the first 6-7 years of his career than Judge has. His body type really would not stop me from giving him a long-term deal. There's just not enough evidence there to buy that he will age in such a way that will sap him of his abiltiies and kill his value.
Come on, that is not what I said. And Judge has been injured a lot, hence why I thought he was injury prone until maybe not anymore after this year. You can say his injuries were freak occurrences but they still happened and he still missed the time. And it just so happens he plays with the closest comp to him in the sport, so its magnified (fair or unfair).
No, i'm not saying Stanton is injury prone so so is Judge. I am saying that Judge has been injured in the past and it was one of the big reasons I would have been ok trading him prior to this year. Now? Don't really know but either way he's almost 31and there aren't many players, big or small that keep up the production he will be paid for.
Do you see Judge hitting 45 HR's and playing top end RF at 36? I dont.
It's actually very close. Excluding 2016 which was just a cup of coffee, Judge has played in 610 games, about 79% of the Yankees games in his 5+ full seasons. In Stanton's first 6+ full seasons (including his rookie season where he was called up in June), he played 827 games, about 77% of the Marlins' games in that time.
That's not to say they'll follow similar paths going forward, but they missed similar amounts of time through that relative period of their mlb careers.
Yeah, so stpuid that they build the best team in baseball.. Really Randall, you need to quit posting about the Yanks.
However, once you're into the process, it's normal for each side to present a case for why the other side's # is wrong. That means the team has to talk down the player. It can be ugly. The team will present the least-flattering stats and argue the player doesn't deserve all the $ he's asking for.
Players are usually warned to stay away, because it'll piss them off. But that's just how the system works. Things get nasty over relatively small amounts of money. "Relatively small" being amounts that I could retire on several times over.
If Judge had missed as much as time has he had due to various leg/lower body injuries, I'd be more concerned.
Diving for a ball and cracking ribs or getting hit in the wrist and having it break a bone aren't things that make me worry about future injuries. If he had a recurrence of the oblique problem, that'd be different.. but knock on wood, he hasn't yet.
There just aren't injuries in Judge's career yet that seem to be tied to his size or indicative of potential future problems.
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Dude is injury prone. When he plays he is incredible, but will he be available? Like the saying goes the best ability is availability. I'm not giving him 8 years regardless of how good he is when he is on the field. Unless they can trade Stanton. They can't have both of those contracts along with Cole.
Calling Judge injury prone is a bat signal of complete ignorance at this point.
It's called math jackass, look at his career stats super genius baseball guy
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Dude is injury prone. When he plays he is incredible, but will he be available? Like the saying goes the best ability is availability. I'm not giving him 8 years regardless of how good he is when he is on the field. Unless they can trade Stanton. They can't have both of those contracts along with Cole.
Calling Judge injury prone is a bat signal of complete ignorance at this point.
It's called math jackass, look at his career stats super genius baseball guy
Yeah not sure how this is even debatable. 3 straight years too
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Dude is injury prone. When he plays he is incredible, but will he be available? Like the saying goes the best ability is availability. I'm not giving him 8 years regardless of how good he is when he is on the field. Unless they can trade Stanton. They can't have both of those contracts along with Cole.
Calling Judge injury prone is a bat signal of complete ignorance at this point.
It's called math jackass, look at his career stats super genius baseball guy
Have I struck a nerve by pointing out your lazy, shitty commentary?
In early 2020, he had a collapsed lung and cracked rib(s) that happened all the way back in September of 2019 - he played through it the rest of that season. He missed the first half of the truncated 60-game season and has barely missed any time since.
He spent zero time on IL in 2021 and has been completely healthy so far in '22.
Injury prone is Byron Buxton.
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In comment 15737199 slickwilly said:
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Dude is injury prone. When he plays he is incredible, but will he be available? Like the saying goes the best ability is availability. I'm not giving him 8 years regardless of how good he is when he is on the field. Unless they can trade Stanton. They can't have both of those contracts along with Cole.
Calling Judge injury prone is a bat signal of complete ignorance at this point.
It's called math jackass, look at his career stats super genius baseball guy
Have I struck a nerve by pointing out your lazy, shitty commentary?
In early 2020, he had a collapsed lung and cracked rib(s) that happened all the way back in September of 2019 - he played through it the rest of that season. He missed the first half of the truncated 60-game season and has barely missed any time since.
He spent zero time on IL in 2021 and has been completely healthy so far in '22.
Injury prone is Byron Buxton.
Yeah, Judge is not "injury prone." Broken ribs and wrist are not repetitive injuries.
Lmao. You called me a 'jackass' and a 'dick' and now you want to be upset that I'm "insulting your intelligence?"
I'm just having a hard time calling a player injury prone when he has not missed any significant time with any injury in nearly 2 calendar years spanning 3 different seasons.
Call Buxton injury prone. Or Tatis Jr. Or deGrom. All of those would be fair designations right now.
I don't think Judge belongs in that same group.
Free advice here. When you have dug a hole of being wrong and you can’t get out- stop digging in.
I would personally wrap up the pretty solid MVP-calibre seasons over the next 4-5 years and live with the downside. You’re saying goodbye to a whole lot just avoid a potential few Judge as full-time DH years six years from now
The good far outweighs the bad
The good far outweighs the bad
The PR backlash would be devastating.
I think they gambled a bit and tried to get him at their price before the season started, but now they really have no choice but to pay him whatever it takes.
Judge is a goldmine for the team from a marketing and merchandise standpoint. I really can't see them balking at his ask and letting him go elsewhere.
They will get it done.
They will get it done.
Correct.
In many ways, this reminds me of when Bernie hit FA. There was a lot of posturing back and forth, and Bernie’s agent got the Red Sox involved to turn up the pressure. But when all was said and done, Bernie got re-signed and that was that.
I expect to see a lot of mindless media bloviating between now and December on Judge’s FA and how the Yanks are cheap/lazy/forgetting their fans, etc., etc. etc.
In the end, Judge will sign a deal of around 8 years in length with an option year thrown on and an AAV of $40M+ and all of the sound and fury will have been for absolutely nothing other than media guys getting the clicks they wanted.
I’d imagine that they would be end of season awards like MVP and other factors. The Yanks want to see Judge hold up for the second straight season before they commit the big money.
Something to think about- Let’s just assume for a minute that the incentives the Yanks agreed to get Judge to the $20M mark (probably in the park). It makes an extension of Judge less costly than base FA.
Let’s also assume that when the Yanks re-sign Judge, they give him an AAV of $40M (I think that’s where the market for his caliber of star is going). When you stop and think about it, that’s only an increase of $20M to the overall payroll- or less than what they paid to add Donaldson.
Also keep in mind that Chapman and Britton will hit FA (and likely leave)- and account for over $31M between them. The Yanks have their new closer already and have demonstrated they know how to find good relievers either in their own minors or get them in trades.
In other words, they will simply be shifting payroll from the pen to Judge with a likely positive difference in payroll- which will either allow the money to be spent elsewhere or reduce their tax hit with no change in team performance.
Anything else the media tries to sell this winter is just noise for clicks.
This is the way the Yanks do business with their own home grown players. They tried to deviate from that in recent years by signing Severino and Hicks to extensions before they hit FA- and got badly burned by both. Severino lost over 2 years to shoulder and TJ surgery. Hicks lost a lot of time to his own TJ surgery and never seems to have recovered.
The Yanks did exactly the same thing to Bernie, Posada, Pettite and others over the years (with the exception of Jeter, who may also hold the distinction of being the only extra long term contract that worked for both sides through the entire duration of the deal).
It what they do. In the end, it won’t matter because they will find some number they agree on and that will be that.
The Yankees can offer Judge two things that no other team can. History and Legacy. My guess is those will be tie breakers but not discount factors for Judge. If he signs a long term contract with the Yankees, stays healthy and continues to put up top of the league numbers for the next 4 or 5 years he'll have a chance to be one of the most famous baseball players of all time IMO.
"Yogi and Derek were like two kids together. It was a warm, fun relationship. And Yogi saw Jeter as someone who cherished being part of the Yankee tradition as much as he did, and that meant a lot to him."
~ Dave Kaplan, Director at Yogi Berra Museum & Learning Center
I think Judge will probably take the most money he's offered and if the Yankees decide not to match he'll leave. It's possible he doesn't even give them a chance to match. We'll just have to watch it all play out.
The 2023 MLB season will still happen if Aaron Judge signs with the SF Giants or someone else besides the Yankees. For me personally it will really hurt if he leaves but I'll still be a Yankee fan.
All of this is absolutely true.
I would add in as well that we should also remember that as of right now, the Yanks have zero payroll committed past 2028- and after 2026, only have Cole and Stanton as committed payroll.
Thus, even if the Yanks gave Judge $40M+ for 8-9 years, the last 3-4 years of such a deal would have little payroll competition at this point.
Just going through the steps of doing business the right way where both sides know how to handle their end.
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the Yanks seem determined to make the Judge contract such a headache. Figure there's reason(s) besides cost and luxury taxes, etc.
This is the way the Yanks do business with their own home grown players. They tried to deviate from that in recent years by signing Severino and Hicks to extensions before they hit FA- and got badly burned by both. Severino lost over 2 years to shoulder and TJ surgery. Hicks lost a lot of time to his own TJ surgery and never seems to have recovered.
The Yanks did exactly the same thing to Bernie, Posada, Pettite and others over the years (with the exception of Jeter, who may also hold the distinction of being the only extra long term contract that worked for both sides through the entire duration of the deal).
It what they do. In the end, it won’t matter because they will find some number they agree on and that will be that.
Fundamentally, I don't care for signings/trades like Hicks, Gallo, Ellsworth, fill in the blank. It feels like Yanks have no feel for some of these players, and sometime it feels like Cashman is trying very hard to stick to a template of how to build a baseball club. Frankly, I'm surprised at the success they're having right now, especially the pitching. But, will it be sustainable or another flame out in October ...
This is a championship caliber team. If they don’t get it done, it’s on them.
There hasn't been a seismic shift but there's been a little tilt back to contact this year.
The Yankees have prioritize exit velocity with all their hitters over contact add Judge and Stanton in the lineup and there's going to be a lot of K's.
In the playoffs against the best teams contact instead of a K is a big deal.