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NFT: Mets Minors 6/22/2022

DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 10:38 am
AAA Fisher
AA TBD
A+ Santos (He's really been pitching well recently (1.62 June era + a string of 3 strong starts coming into the month)
A Colon

Levi David has been assigned to the FCL Mets (the right move, the walks were out of hand)

Syracuse
Vientos 1-3, BB
Lee 1-4, 2 k's
Szapucki 5 innings 3 hits 1 run 2 walks 5 k's
Nogosek 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 5 k's

AA
El Troll 2-4, HR, BB (Truly a stud)
Baty 1-4, BB, K
Mauricio 0-5, 3 k's
Cortes 0-3, BB, K
McIIwain 2-4, K (Brandon McIlwain having himself a June....346/.443/.577 (yes, the k's are too high 17/52 ab's), but it comes with 8 walks and 8 extra base hits)
Scherzer 3.1 innings 3 hits 2 runs 1 walk 6 k's
Butto 2 innings 6 hits 5 runs 1 walk 3 k's
Yamamoto 3 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 3 k's

BK
Newton 1-4, 2 k's
Schwartz 1-4
Palmer 2-3, BB, K
Seymour 4 innings 6 hits 3 runs 0 walks 4 k's


St. Lucie
Ramirez 1-4, K
Consuegra 0-4, K
Tilien 2-3, BB
Lugo 1-3, BB, K
ODLS 1-4, K
Dominguez 0-3, 2 k's (Terrible June so far .233/.303/.350, 3 extra base hits, 26 k's over 60 ab's)
Hamel 6.2 innings 6 hits 2 runs 0 walks 7 k's (best pro start, 0 walks is huge, he's been disappointing in 2022, but plenty of time to turn it around)
Beck .1 perfect "The Oklahoma Skyscraper" has yet to allow a run over 5 appearances in 2022

FCL1
Rodriguez 1-2, BB, K
Peroza 1-4, HR (top 25 in the system coming into the season per BA)
Acuna 5 innings 3 hits 0 runs 0 walks 7 k's (one to watch)

FCL2
Rodriguez 2-4, HR, 3B
Martinez 1-4, HR, 3 k's
Ovalles 3 innings 9 k's (as noted, his stuff apparently isn't especially good, Shecky said he spoke to somebody yesterday who said his delivery was very funky)


DSL
Juan 1-5
Castro 2-4, BB, K
Paz 2-4
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pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15738052 DanMetroMan said:
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Interesting... Sandy speaks... notes the PCA trade hasn't worked out and implies @mets will try to avoid mortgaging their future in deadline deals, balancing short-term/long-term #Mets


lol, Sandy admits it yet people on here still can't.
Carrasco  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 2:32 pm : link
AWFUL wow.
Geez, the Mets must have the most inconsistent pitching  
CooperDash : 6/22/2022 2:33 pm : link
in the league. These guys can throw a gem one game and then will give up 6/7 runs the next game.
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KDavies : 6/22/2022 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15738071 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15738052 DanMetroMan said:


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Interesting... Sandy speaks... notes the PCA trade hasn't worked out and implies @mets will try to avoid mortgaging their future in deadline deals, balancing short-term/long-term #Mets



lol, Sandy admits it yet people on here still can't.


Am I missing something? Who has said the PCA trade worked out? I don't even remember anyone saying they liked the trade at the time if it was just for a Baez rental
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 2:39 pm : link
The Mangum injury likely explains the Inciarte signing. OF depth is extremely thin
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pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15738084 KDavies said:
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In comment 15738071 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 15738052 DanMetroMan said:


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Interesting... Sandy speaks... notes the PCA trade hasn't worked out and implies @mets will try to avoid mortgaging their future in deadline deals, balancing short-term/long-term #Mets



lol, Sandy admits it yet people on here still can't.



Am I missing something? Who has said the PCA trade worked out? I don't even remember anyone saying they liked the trade at the time if it was just for a Baez rental


Eric in LI
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 2:41 pm : link
@MarkVientos_5 not in the lineup for @SyracuseMets today......👀👀👀👀👀👀#Mets
Mets win probablity is now 5.2%  
Vanzetti : 6/22/2022 2:47 pm : link
This is where it gets tough as a fan because you don't want your team to run up the white flag in the early innings but data shows that it is much better to mange with an eye towards the next game rather than trying to win a game where you have a 5% chance.

Fortunately, Mets have an off day so it it won't be as much of an issue today.
guess it's that time of year for the annual pj gotcha fail  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 2:48 pm : link
any deadline rental that doesn't result in playoffs "didn't work out" and I (nor anyone else i've seen) has ever argued that the deal "worked out". nobody makes a deal when they are in first place with the hopes of ending up 3rd. that's a pretty black and white failure.

if i had wanted to trade alonso in favor of keeping dom i don't think i'd be so bold in my gotchas, or worry about them at all, but i guess that's just me.
RE: Mets win probablity is now 5.2%  
CooperDash : 6/22/2022 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15738096 Vanzetti said:
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This is where it gets tough as a fan because you don't want your team to run up the white flag in the early innings but data shows that it is much better to mange with an eye towards the next game rather than trying to win a game where you have a 5% chance.

Fortunately, Mets have an off day so it it won't be as much of an issue today.


It’s tough to “give up” two games in a row.

Cookie isn’t fooling any of the Astros. They are on everything he throws.
Wonderful  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 3:12 pm : link
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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17s
Carlos Carrasco is coming out of the game with an athletic trainer after pitching 2 1/3 innings.

Astros 5, Mets 1, bottom 3
It’s almost like….  
CooperDash : 6/22/2022 3:14 pm : link
When you sign older and/or oft-injured pitchers…you are going to have severe depth issues.

Who woulda thunk it?
RE: It’s almost like….  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 3:27 pm : link
In comment 15738120 CooperDash said:
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When you sign older and/or oft-injured pitchers…you are going to have severe depth issues.

Who woulda thunk it?


pretty much every team in mlb has pitching depth issues. LAD are down Buehler and May. Heaney and Kershaw missed time. And obviously Bauer may end up one of the worst FA signings of all time.

starting pitching in the regular season is a war of attrition and you can never have enough depth. that's why when push comes to shove i think they will end up adding 1 of montas/castillo/mahle.
RE: RE: It’s almost like….  
CooperDash : 6/22/2022 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15738132 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15738120 CooperDash said:


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When you sign older and/or oft-injured pitchers…you are going to have severe depth issues.

Who woulda thunk it?



pretty much every team in mlb has pitching depth issues. LAD are down Buehler and May. Heaney and Kershaw missed time. And obviously Bauer may end up one of the worst FA signings of all time.

starting pitching in the regular season is a war of attrition and you can never have enough depth. that's why when push comes to shove i think they will end up adding 1 of montas/castillo/mahle.


Of course many teams have pitching depth issues? But how many have lost 3/4 of their starting rotation?

My point is that this was the least surprising thing to happen to the Mets this season. We all knew that our pitching likely wouldn’t hold up and we had very little depth to begin with. Pitchers break…I get it. But we put ourselves in a precarious position.
"when you sign older or oft injured pitchers"  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 3:55 pm : link
how many non-old, non-injured pitchers get to FA or become available on the trade market?

predicting pitchers health is a crapshoot but you need good ones so not sure what anyone can do except get as many as you can afford.
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 3:59 pm : link
It doesn't make up for being swept, but Vientos did not pinch hit in the 9th with the tying run on 1b.... promotion time? #Mets
RE: guess it's that time of year for the annual pj gotcha fail  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15738098 Eric on Li said:
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any deadline rental that doesn't result in playoffs "didn't work out" and I (nor anyone else i've seen) has ever argued that the deal "worked out". nobody makes a deal when they are in first place with the hopes of ending up 3rd. that's a pretty black and white failure.

if i had wanted to trade alonso in favor of keeping dom i don't think i'd be so bold in my gotchas, or worry about them at all, but i guess that's just me.


lol, annual gotcha fail? it's one trade and you maintained even this year after the Mets didn't re-sign Baez how it was a good move that you support then and now. Then you pivoted to PCA is all-glove and not a prospect to care about losing.

My only point is Sandy has now agreed it didn't work out, yet last time it came up you were still clinging to it making sense both at the time and not being a "bad trade" even now.

just say you were wrong. it is a freeing feeling.

I was wrong to care so much about losing Kelenic, I admit it, but I also tend to be a prospect hugger so it takes me a while to get there (admitting I was wrong). But in the Baez trade I (and many) have been consistent it was a bad trade and indicated an incongruent level of investment based on the state of the team, the risk of missing the playoffs, and the risk of not re-signing the player.
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Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15738170 DanMetroMan said:
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It doesn't make up for being swept, but Vientos did not pinch hit in the 9th with the tying run on 1b.... promotion time? #Mets


not to sound contradictory and im not in any way against promoting him but doing it for a series in his hometown seems a little non-ideal. guy is going to get 500 ticket requests for his first game and have his entire world live in person watching his first K's against Alcantara.
That's  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 4:04 pm : link
something you'll have to take up with the Mets, I'm just "reporting" he didn't start or pinch hit in a spot you'd normally use your slugger.
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KDavies : 6/22/2022 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15738170 DanMetroMan said:
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It doesn't make up for being swept, but Vientos did not pinch hit in the 9th with the tying run on 1b.... promotion time? #Mets


Who is calling the game this early?
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15738186 KDavies said:
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In comment 15738170 DanMetroMan said:


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It doesn't make up for being swept, but Vientos did not pinch hit in the 9th with the tying run on 1b.... promotion time? #Mets



Who is calling the game this early?


They look lifeless, if they come back and win, good on them and egg on my face, I'll take it.
Carrasco  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 4:14 pm : link
"back tightness", better than alternative though back could be many things.
Expectation  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 4:15 pm : link
was Yamamoto would make no more than 1 more appearance in AA, so and he pitched yesterday so he might be an option if need be.
Yoemens  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 4:16 pm : link
work by Yoan Lopez today
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 4:18 pm : link
Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
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1h
Carrasco's average fastball velo was down 1.3 mph today.
RE: RE: guess it's that time of year for the annual pj gotcha fail  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15738174 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15738098 Eric on Li said:


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any deadline rental that doesn't result in playoffs "didn't work out" and I (nor anyone else i've seen) has ever argued that the deal "worked out". nobody makes a deal when they are in first place with the hopes of ending up 3rd. that's a pretty black and white failure.

if i had wanted to trade alonso in favor of keeping dom i don't think i'd be so bold in my gotchas, or worry about them at all, but i guess that's just me.



lol, annual gotcha fail? it's one trade and you maintained even this year after the Mets didn't re-sign Baez how it was a good move that you support then and now. Then you pivoted to PCA is all-glove and not a prospect to care about losing.

My only point is Sandy has now agreed it didn't work out, yet last time it came up you were still clinging to it making sense both at the time and not being a "bad trade" even now.

just say you were wrong. it is a freeing feeling.

I was wrong to care so much about losing Kelenic, I admit it, but I also tend to be a prospect hugger so it takes me a while to get there (admitting I was wrong). But in the Baez trade I (and many) have been consistent it was a bad trade and indicated an incongruent level of investment based on the state of the team, the risk of missing the playoffs, and the risk of not re-signing the player.


i still have no problem with the trade but that's not the same thing as saying it "worked out". you are attributing something to me that i've never said so maybe hold off on your masterclass on altruism?
does anyone deserve a big hit here more than dom?  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 4:20 pm : link
working a nice at bat so far.
bottom 1/3 of the order strikes again  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 4:22 pm : link
the shopping list for the deadline is not getting shorter today.
Updated June lines-  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 4:25 pm : link
Alvarez .333/.411/.810 (lol)
Mauricio .235/.293/.500
Baty .317/.386/.476
maybe shared already since it's old  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 4:28 pm : link
but some good news...

GENY Mets Report
@genymets
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NEWS: According to @ragazzoreport
, Jacob deGrom threw live batting practice yesterday in Port St. Lucie and looked very sharp.

The expectation is that he’ll throw one more live BP this weekend. Then, he’ll begin his rehab assignment. #LGM
***not one of my usual sources so could be total BS***  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 4:32 pm : link
but I've heard Friday 7/22 vs. SD is their current target date if deGrom's rehab goes according to plan.
last 7 days from the bottom 1/3 (minus the catchers)  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 4:34 pm : link
JDD - 3/19, 10 ks, 0 xbh
Escobar - 2/17, 7 ks
Plummer - 0/7, 5 ks
dom - 1/3, 1 k.

very hard to win with offensive positions so non-competitive. Escobar bases loaded 2 days in row, Dom today. Every player after Alonso in the batting order today has a slg% under .400.
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CooperDash : 6/22/2022 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15738163 Eric on Li said:
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how many non-old, non-injured pitchers get to FA or become available on the trade market?

predicting pitchers health is a crapshoot but you need good ones so not sure what anyone can do except get as many as you can afford.


I get it, Eric. I’m just saying that the Mets were probably in a worse position pitcher-healthwise than most other teams. I don’t think that’s going out on a limb there. But if was a big off-season subject.

Regarding Carrasco, he was off from the first pitch of the game. You have to think that he was already hurting before the game started and didn’t say anything, right? Which is frustrating because I can’t believe that they would throw him out there if they knew he was injured.
RE: ***not one of my usual sources so could be total BS***  
Shecky : 6/22/2022 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15738212 DanMetroMan said:
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but I've heard Friday 7/22 vs. SD is their current target date if deGrom's rehab goes according to plan.


I could easily be wrong here. But they’ve been extremely careful not to put a date on anything with him all along. So I’d be very surprised if this is true.
I’m assuming it’s someone calculating the five days from rehab on out as opposed to someone inside with an actual date.
Shecky  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 4:39 pm : link
like I said, if it were somebody I knew to be legit I wouldn't put a disclaimer (I normally don't), I didn't feel that way here.
RE: Shecky  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15738219 DanMetroMan said:
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like I said, if it were somebody I knew to be legit I wouldn't put a disclaimer (I normally don't), I didn't feel that way here.


Goes without saying but on the same token the Vientos stuff is 100% me just reading the box score, seeing he didn't pinch hit, I wasn't "told" anything by anybody.
Yay Escobar - shockingly comes up small again  
CooperDash : 6/22/2022 5:09 pm : link
Ugh
RE: Yay Escobar - shockingly comes up small again  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15738241 CooperDash said:
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Ugh


even if they didn't have a big prospect at AAA they'd have to consider giving him some time off for someone else. with mcneil out they don't have too many alternatives.
RE: RE: Yay Escobar - shockingly comes up small again  
CooperDash : 6/22/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15738242 Eric on Li said:
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Ugh



even if they didn't have a big prospect at AAA they'd have to consider giving him some time off for someone else. with mcneil out they don't have too many alternatives.


What about Luis? When McNeil comes back, can’t we have Luis play third and plant Escobar on the bench? He’s a black hole in this lineup.
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 6:37 pm : link
As if Scherzer will have another rehab start and won’t go Sunday (just based on Buck’s statement)
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 6:46 pm : link
Buck Showalter on Scherzer: "Max knows we want him to pitch for us the rest of the season. Just because we’re having some challenges with some of the health of our starters, it shouldn’t affect at all his timetable."
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Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15738304 DanMetroMan said:
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Buck Showalter on Scherzer: "Max knows we want him to pitch for us the rest of the season. Just because we’re having some challenges with some of the health of our starters, it shouldn’t affect at all his timetable."


much appreciated difference from rushing carrasco back without any rehab starts last year.
RE: RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15738393 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15738304 DanMetroMan said:


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Buck Showalter on Scherzer: "Max knows we want him to pitch for us the rest of the season. Just because we’re having some challenges with some of the health of our starters, it shouldn’t affect at all his timetable."



much appreciated difference from rushing carrasco back without any rehab starts last year.


I could be wrong, but that's how I took that quote post-game. How much "quicker" could he possibly be back? It's not like Carrasco being hurt meant Scherzer might be back SOONER than Sunday and I agree, better Scherzer 100% than not.
i think it was a bit of a response to max saying he wants to be a met  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 8:24 pm : link
not a rumble poney. the media tends to take colorful stuff like that and run with it so i think he was emphasizing what you said, they aren't rushing him, they want him 100% whenever that is. they should do the same with carrasco too even if it's skipping a turn.

i know szpuck was awful when he came up but he's had a few decent starts since going down and if he's the only alternative giving him another shot isn't like eickhoff (who just got promoted to pitt the other day, which is a pretty good indicator on the awful state of SP in general).
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 8:30 pm : link
The bad news is Francisco "El Troll" Alvarez hasn't homered, the good news is he's walked twice giving him 10 June walks, Mauricio 0-3, 3 k's (0 for his last 8 with 6 k's), Baty 1-3, McIIwain 1-3, K #Mets


@stluciemets
has 1 hit through 7 innings... yet lead 2-1 Jeffrey Colon with 5.2 strong 5 hits 1 run 0 walks 5 k's. Ramirez/Consuegra/Dominguez/Tillien/Lugo a combined 0-12 (they do have 5 walks between them)
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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 8:32 pm : link
Not his best start but still solid... Santos went 5 innings 4 hits 4 runs 0 walks 8 k's. Last 7 starts... 34.2 innings 34 hits 9 walks 34 k's
Pucks last start  
Vanzetti : 6/22/2022 9:03 pm : link
I was at Giants stadium for that game. There was a very stiff bay wind blowing from right diagonally across the field and out to left

Those were tough conditions for any lefty. Puck clearly was rattled

So I expect a much better start from him next time
RE: Pucks last start  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15738446 Vanzetti said:
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I was at Giants stadium for that game. There was a very stiff bay wind blowing from right diagonally across the field and out to left

Those were tough conditions for any lefty. Puck clearly was rattled

So I expect a much better start from him next time


idk he may simply not be a big league level player, some guys arent especially after all the injuries he's been through, but giving him a second shot in a pinch is just in a very different category than a journeyman like eickhoff getting shellacked in multiple turns through a rotation.
Braves  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 10:20 pm : link
come back from 3-1 in the 9th to win
RE: RE: Pucks last start  
moze1021 : 6/23/2022 6:39 am : link
In comment 15738469 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15738446 Vanzetti said:


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I was at Giants stadium for that game. There was a very stiff bay wind blowing from right diagonally across the field and out to left

Those were tough conditions for any lefty. Puck clearly was rattled

So I expect a much better start from him next time



idk he may simply not be a big league level player, some guys arent especially after all the injuries he's been through, but giving him a second shot in a pinch is just in a very different category than a journeyman like eickhoff getting shellacked in multiple turns through a rotation.


Lost in the Scherzer start at Bing, was that Jose Butto got knocked around and gave up 6 hits and 5 runs in 2 innings. Easily his worst appearance of the year... possibly a result of it also being his only time appearing in relief... but this was a bit discouraging because he very well may have been a next man up candidate given how well he's pitched and that he is on the 40 man.
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