for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Mets Minors 6/22/2022

DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 10:38 am
AAA Fisher
AA TBD
A+ Santos (He's really been pitching well recently (1.62 June era + a string of 3 strong starts coming into the month)
A Colon

Levi David has been assigned to the FCL Mets (the right move, the walks were out of hand)

Syracuse
Vientos 1-3, BB
Lee 1-4, 2 k's
Szapucki 5 innings 3 hits 1 run 2 walks 5 k's
Nogosek 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 5 k's

AA
El Troll 2-4, HR, BB (Truly a stud)
Baty 1-4, BB, K
Mauricio 0-5, 3 k's
Cortes 0-3, BB, K
McIIwain 2-4, K (Brandon McIlwain having himself a June....346/.443/.577 (yes, the k's are too high 17/52 ab's), but it comes with 8 walks and 8 extra base hits)
Scherzer 3.1 innings 3 hits 2 runs 1 walk 6 k's
Butto 2 innings 6 hits 5 runs 1 walk 3 k's
Yamamoto 3 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 3 k's

BK
Newton 1-4, 2 k's
Schwartz 1-4
Palmer 2-3, BB, K
Seymour 4 innings 6 hits 3 runs 0 walks 4 k's


St. Lucie
Ramirez 1-4, K
Consuegra 0-4, K
Tilien 2-3, BB
Lugo 1-3, BB, K
ODLS 1-4, K
Dominguez 0-3, 2 k's (Terrible June so far .233/.303/.350, 3 extra base hits, 26 k's over 60 ab's)
Hamel 6.2 innings 6 hits 2 runs 0 walks 7 k's (best pro start, 0 walks is huge, he's been disappointing in 2022, but plenty of time to turn it around)
Beck .1 perfect "The Oklahoma Skyscraper" has yet to allow a run over 5 appearances in 2022

FCL1
Rodriguez 1-2, BB, K
Peroza 1-4, HR (top 25 in the system coming into the season per BA)
Acuna 5 innings 3 hits 0 runs 0 walks 7 k's (one to watch)

FCL2
Rodriguez 2-4, HR, 3B
Martinez 1-4, HR, 3 k's
Ovalles 3 innings 9 k's (as noted, his stuff apparently isn't especially good, Shecky said he spoke to somebody yesterday who said his delivery was very funky)


DSL
Juan 1-5
Castro 2-4, BB, K
Paz 2-4
Pages: 1 2 | Show All |  Next>>
DMM  
Mike in NY : 6/22/2022 10:52 am : link
I didn't see a response when I posted yesterday, but looking at highlight clips of Tucker Toman he looks awfully intriguing especially since we could save a boatload of money with him (even paying him 20th/21st slot is above where he is currently projected) and use that money to land some extra arms that might look for more than slot with future picks.
RE: DMM  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 10:58 am : link
In comment 15737886 Mike in NY said:
Quote:
I didn't see a response when I posted yesterday, but looking at highlight clips of Tucker Toman he looks awfully intriguing especially since we could save a boatload of money with him (even paying him 20th/21st slot is above where he is currently projected) and use that money to land some extra arms that might look for more than slot with future picks.


I can't remember at this point where I saw/heard it but some scouts think Toman could have 55 grades for both hit and power. BA really liked him. Sounds like his future is more likely than not at 3b (haven't seen anybody believe he'd stay at SS, but who knows?)
awesome to see from Hamel  
KDavies : 6/22/2022 10:59 am : link
Alvarez now has 12 HR and 7 doubles in his past 22 games. If not MLB, you think he gets called to AAA fairly soon
RE: RE: DMM  
Mike in NY : 6/22/2022 11:01 am : link
In comment 15737890 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
In comment 15737886 Mike in NY said:


Quote:


I didn't see a response when I posted yesterday, but looking at highlight clips of Tucker Toman he looks awfully intriguing especially since we could save a boatload of money with him (even paying him 20th/21st slot is above where he is currently projected) and use that money to land some extra arms that might look for more than slot with future picks.



I can't remember at this point where I saw/heard it but some scouts think Toman could have 55 grades for both hit and power. BA really liked him. Sounds like his future is more likely than not at 3b (haven't seen anybody believe he'd stay at SS, but who knows?)


With Lindor at SS and a number of names in the system whether he sticks at SS or not is not really my prime concern. The hit/power is intriguing especially if it will come at a substantially lower price tag.
Oh  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 11:02 am : link
I don't care if he sticks at SS, my #1 hope at 11 now is Jett Williams and he's probably at best a 60% chance to remain at SS.
law has toman at 3b  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 11:04 am : link
Quote:
35. Tucker Toman, 3B, Hammond High (Columbia, S.C.)

Toman, the son of Middle Tennessee coach Jim Toman, is a switch-hitting infielder with the potential to hit for average and power from both sides of the plate, with some risk around his contact skills. He has great bat speed, with a more fluid and powerful swing from the left side, although he had better results batting right-handed over the summer (in a small sample). He’s shown he can handle good velocity, but struggles more against breaking stuff. With below-average speed, he’s limited to third base or second if he stays on the dirt, with enough arm to probably stay at the hot corner – although if he remains on the dirt, it’ll be because of his instincts rather than athleticism or agility.
Jett  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 11:07 am : link
hit against high level P (despite a dinged shoulder), plus speed, a real gamer and despite his size I was told "the power is very underrated, legit pop". Jett, Jett, Jett!
Per  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 11:09 am : link
an unsolicited DM when I was touting Jett Williams

"They haven’t been subtle about having huge heat at his games going back to like March. You never know with the draft but I'd be pretty shocked if they pass on Jett Williams twice. Shocked"
RE: Oh  
KDavies : 6/22/2022 11:36 am : link
In comment 15737895 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
I don't care if he sticks at SS, my #1 hope at 11 now is Jett Williams and he's probably at best a 60% chance to remain at SS.


Seems like he will either be there for the taking, or at worst pushes another player down.

Every time I see his name, I think of the Sandlot
It’s somewhat of a moot point  
bhill410 : 6/22/2022 11:37 am : link
For the next 10 days but if you are the AAA catcher in a lot of ways you are expected to be the back up to the back up. If alverez is up there it potentially creates an issue as he will obviously not be called to back up Nido or McCann in case of injury. Does Patrick Mazeika need regular catching reps? I am not sure. But wehave Vientos as a mid season DH candidate, so at this point his catching development should take priority IMO over the potential to contribute this season.
RE: RE: Oh  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 11:43 am : link
In comment 15737925 KDavies said:
Quote:
In comment 15737895 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


I don't care if he sticks at SS, my #1 hope at 11 now is Jett Williams and he's probably at best a 60% chance to remain at SS.



Seems like he will either be there for the taking, or at worst pushes another player down.

Every time I see his name, I think of the Sandlot


His size and relatively "weak" arm are his 2 negatives and the fact he's likely a 2b or CF at the next level if he makes it to the show with the Mets makes the arm a non-issue (some think his arm is at least average and plays up because of how smart of a player he is). Altuve like offensive upside.
RE: RE: RE: Oh  
KDavies : 6/22/2022 11:45 am : link
In comment 15737932 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
In comment 15737925 KDavies said:


Quote:


In comment 15737895 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


I don't care if he sticks at SS, my #1 hope at 11 now is Jett Williams and he's probably at best a 60% chance to remain at SS.



Seems like he will either be there for the taking, or at worst pushes another player down.

Every time I see his name, I think of the Sandlot



His size and relatively "weak" arm are his 2 negatives and the fact he's likely a 2b or CF at the next level if he makes it to the show with the Mets makes the arm a non-issue (some think his arm is at least average and plays up because of how smart of a player he is). Altuve like offensive upside.


You had me at "Altuve like offensive upside."
RE: It’s somewhat of a moot point  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 11:47 am : link
In comment 15737927 bhill410 said:
Quote:
For the next 10 days but if you are the AAA catcher in a lot of ways you are expected to be the back up to the back up. If alverez is up there it potentially creates an issue as he will obviously not be called to back up Nido or McCann in case of injury. Does Patrick Mazeika need regular catching reps? I am not sure. But wehave Vientos as a mid season DH candidate, so at this point his catching development should take priority IMO over the potential to contribute this season.


In theory they could just call up Meyer. Meyer can't hit (Mazeika has a 42 OPS+ for his career himself) but is a plus glove, as is Hayden Senger. If they really needed a 3rd catcher they have a few options, + there are always veteran "Rene Rivera's" floating around, I'm sort of surprised they haven't added one to Syracuse. I guess that's Nick Dini
I went to a Mets game in Miami a few years ago  
KDavies : 6/22/2022 11:50 am : link
Rivera was catching, and there were a few fans together with Rene Rivera jerseys. I said to them, "Wow, you don't see Rene Rivera jerseys every day!" They laughed and said they were family
Quote  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 11:51 am : link
"In most drafts Jett Williams would have the best hit tool of any HS hitter, Johnson is special but I don't think the gap is as big as some do". He's also an off the charts "character/culture" guy. Real grinder, gamer, loves the game. Gimme Jett Williams.
Williams/Crawford  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 11:52 am : link
would be a pretty great 11/14 but Williams is my A1 pick if he's there at 11.
Guillorme hitting 5th today  
KDavies : 6/22/2022 11:53 am : link
very interesting.

Canha is the only Met to face Garcia. He is 2-4 with a HR against him.
I heard some experts saying Termarr Johnson has the best hit tool  
KDavies : 6/22/2022 11:55 am : link
in the draft in over a decade. Real strong draft. A lot of players to like in the top 15
RE: I heard some experts saying Termarr Johnson has the best hit tool  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 11:56 am : link
In comment 15737946 KDavies said:
Quote:
in the draft in over a decade. Real strong draft. A lot of players to like in the top 15


Callis said last 20! years.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 11:56 am : link
take Johnson over Williams, but the game isn't immense at all. Jett, Jett, Jett!
This guy Scherzer  
Everyone Relax : 6/22/2022 12:20 pm : link
Any good? Seems to have potential ;)
RE: This guy Scherzer  
Named Later : 6/22/2022 1:07 pm : link
In comment 15737961 Everyone Relax said:
Quote:
Any good? Seems to have potential ;)


He's a little old for that level. Maybe they should just bring him up and throw him out there ;-)
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 1:07 pm : link
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
·
45s
Buck Showalter said he expects Jeff McNeil (right hamstring tightness) to return to the lineup Friday or Saturday in Miami.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 1:11 pm : link
@BKCyclones have activated RHP Brendan Hardy, who quietly has been dominant in 2022 15.51 K/9, 1.89 FIP over 11 appearances
RE: Quote  
JB_in_DC : 6/22/2022 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15737940 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
"In most drafts Jett Williams would have the best hit tool of any HS hitter, Johnson is special but I don't think the gap is as big as some do". He's also an off the charts "character/culture" guy. Real grinder, gamer, loves the game. Gimme Jett Williams.


Really like the sound of that - sign me up for this kid.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 2:03 pm : link
Interesting... Sandy speaks... notes the PCA trade hasn't worked out and implies @mets will try to avoid mortgaging their future in deadline deals, balancing short-term/long-term #Mets
RE: .  
moze1021 : 6/22/2022 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15738052 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
Interesting... Sandy speaks... notes the PCA trade hasn't worked out and implies @mets will try to avoid mortgaging their future in deadline deals, balancing short-term/long-term #Mets


Sandy Alderson admitted a mistake?

This really is a new era of Mets leadership
Very  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 2:23 pm : link
interesting draft prospect Jurrangelo Cijntje


Cijntje worked with a 94-96 mph fastball and a 79-80 mph breaking ball with 2600 rpm from the right side, and an 88-92 mph heater and a 75-76 mph breaker with 2400 rpm from the left. That’s fairly typical for the natural left-hander, who has a reversible glove that he adjusts depending on the batter.
Mangum  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 2:23 pm : link
could be done for the year
RE: .  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15738052 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
Interesting... Sandy speaks... notes the PCA trade hasn't worked out and implies @mets will try to avoid mortgaging their future in deadline deals, balancing short-term/long-term #Mets


lol, Sandy admits it yet people on here still can't.
Carrasco  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 2:32 pm : link
AWFUL wow.
Geez, the Mets must have the most inconsistent pitching  
CooperDash : 6/22/2022 2:33 pm : link
in the league. These guys can throw a gem one game and then will give up 6/7 runs the next game.
RE: RE: .  
KDavies : 6/22/2022 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15738071 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
In comment 15738052 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


Interesting... Sandy speaks... notes the PCA trade hasn't worked out and implies @mets will try to avoid mortgaging their future in deadline deals, balancing short-term/long-term #Mets



lol, Sandy admits it yet people on here still can't.


Am I missing something? Who has said the PCA trade worked out? I don't even remember anyone saying they liked the trade at the time if it was just for a Baez rental
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 2:39 pm : link
The Mangum injury likely explains the Inciarte signing. OF depth is extremely thin
RE: RE: RE: .  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15738084 KDavies said:
Quote:
In comment 15738071 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


In comment 15738052 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


Interesting... Sandy speaks... notes the PCA trade hasn't worked out and implies @mets will try to avoid mortgaging their future in deadline deals, balancing short-term/long-term #Mets



lol, Sandy admits it yet people on here still can't.



Am I missing something? Who has said the PCA trade worked out? I don't even remember anyone saying they liked the trade at the time if it was just for a Baez rental


Eric in LI
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 2:41 pm : link
@MarkVientos_5 not in the lineup for @SyracuseMets today......👀👀👀👀👀👀#Mets
Mets win probablity is now 5.2%  
Vanzetti : 6/22/2022 2:47 pm : link
This is where it gets tough as a fan because you don't want your team to run up the white flag in the early innings but data shows that it is much better to mange with an eye towards the next game rather than trying to win a game where you have a 5% chance.

Fortunately, Mets have an off day so it it won't be as much of an issue today.
guess it's that time of year for the annual pj gotcha fail  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 2:48 pm : link
any deadline rental that doesn't result in playoffs "didn't work out" and I (nor anyone else i've seen) has ever argued that the deal "worked out". nobody makes a deal when they are in first place with the hopes of ending up 3rd. that's a pretty black and white failure.

if i had wanted to trade alonso in favor of keeping dom i don't think i'd be so bold in my gotchas, or worry about them at all, but i guess that's just me.
RE: Mets win probablity is now 5.2%  
CooperDash : 6/22/2022 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15738096 Vanzetti said:
Quote:
This is where it gets tough as a fan because you don't want your team to run up the white flag in the early innings but data shows that it is much better to mange with an eye towards the next game rather than trying to win a game where you have a 5% chance.

Fortunately, Mets have an off day so it it won't be as much of an issue today.


It’s tough to “give up” two games in a row.

Cookie isn’t fooling any of the Astros. They are on everything he throws.
Wonderful  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 3:12 pm : link
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
·
17s
Carlos Carrasco is coming out of the game with an athletic trainer after pitching 2 1/3 innings.

Astros 5, Mets 1, bottom 3
It’s almost like….  
CooperDash : 6/22/2022 3:14 pm : link
When you sign older and/or oft-injured pitchers…you are going to have severe depth issues.

Who woulda thunk it?
RE: It’s almost like….  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 3:27 pm : link
In comment 15738120 CooperDash said:
Quote:
When you sign older and/or oft-injured pitchers…you are going to have severe depth issues.

Who woulda thunk it?


pretty much every team in mlb has pitching depth issues. LAD are down Buehler and May. Heaney and Kershaw missed time. And obviously Bauer may end up one of the worst FA signings of all time.

starting pitching in the regular season is a war of attrition and you can never have enough depth. that's why when push comes to shove i think they will end up adding 1 of montas/castillo/mahle.
RE: RE: It’s almost like….  
CooperDash : 6/22/2022 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15738132 Eric on Li said:
Quote:
In comment 15738120 CooperDash said:


Quote:


When you sign older and/or oft-injured pitchers…you are going to have severe depth issues.

Who woulda thunk it?



pretty much every team in mlb has pitching depth issues. LAD are down Buehler and May. Heaney and Kershaw missed time. And obviously Bauer may end up one of the worst FA signings of all time.

starting pitching in the regular season is a war of attrition and you can never have enough depth. that's why when push comes to shove i think they will end up adding 1 of montas/castillo/mahle.


Of course many teams have pitching depth issues? But how many have lost 3/4 of their starting rotation?

My point is that this was the least surprising thing to happen to the Mets this season. We all knew that our pitching likely wouldn’t hold up and we had very little depth to begin with. Pitchers break…I get it. But we put ourselves in a precarious position.
"when you sign older or oft injured pitchers"  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 3:55 pm : link
how many non-old, non-injured pitchers get to FA or become available on the trade market?

predicting pitchers health is a crapshoot but you need good ones so not sure what anyone can do except get as many as you can afford.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 3:59 pm : link
It doesn't make up for being swept, but Vientos did not pinch hit in the 9th with the tying run on 1b.... promotion time? #Mets
RE: guess it's that time of year for the annual pj gotcha fail  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15738098 Eric on Li said:
Quote:
any deadline rental that doesn't result in playoffs "didn't work out" and I (nor anyone else i've seen) has ever argued that the deal "worked out". nobody makes a deal when they are in first place with the hopes of ending up 3rd. that's a pretty black and white failure.

if i had wanted to trade alonso in favor of keeping dom i don't think i'd be so bold in my gotchas, or worry about them at all, but i guess that's just me.


lol, annual gotcha fail? it's one trade and you maintained even this year after the Mets didn't re-sign Baez how it was a good move that you support then and now. Then you pivoted to PCA is all-glove and not a prospect to care about losing.

My only point is Sandy has now agreed it didn't work out, yet last time it came up you were still clinging to it making sense both at the time and not being a "bad trade" even now.

just say you were wrong. it is a freeing feeling.

I was wrong to care so much about losing Kelenic, I admit it, but I also tend to be a prospect hugger so it takes me a while to get there (admitting I was wrong). But in the Baez trade I (and many) have been consistent it was a bad trade and indicated an incongruent level of investment based on the state of the team, the risk of missing the playoffs, and the risk of not re-signing the player.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2022 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15738170 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
It doesn't make up for being swept, but Vientos did not pinch hit in the 9th with the tying run on 1b.... promotion time? #Mets


not to sound contradictory and im not in any way against promoting him but doing it for a series in his hometown seems a little non-ideal. guy is going to get 500 ticket requests for his first game and have his entire world live in person watching his first K's against Alcantara.
That's  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 4:04 pm : link
something you'll have to take up with the Mets, I'm just "reporting" he didn't start or pinch hit in a spot you'd normally use your slugger.
RE: .  
KDavies : 6/22/2022 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15738170 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
It doesn't make up for being swept, but Vientos did not pinch hit in the 9th with the tying run on 1b.... promotion time? #Mets


Who is calling the game this early?
RE: RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2022 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15738186 KDavies said:
Quote:
In comment 15738170 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


It doesn't make up for being swept, but Vientos did not pinch hit in the 9th with the tying run on 1b.... promotion time? #Mets



Who is calling the game this early?


They look lifeless, if they come back and win, good on them and egg on my face, I'll take it.
Pages: 1 2 | Show All |  Next>>
Back to the Corner