AAA Grey
AA TBD
A+ TBD
A Diaz
AAA
Lee 0-4, 2 k's
Meyer 2-4
Otanez 1 inning 2 hits 1 run 0 walks 1 k
AA
Alvarez 0-2, 2 BB
Mauricio 0-4, 4 k's (0 for his last 9 with 7 k's)
Baty 1-3, BB, K (June OPS up to .862, only 4 extra base hits but his OBP is pushing .400 for the month)
McIIwain 1-4, 2 k's
Cortes 1-4, 2 k's
McCann 2-4 (rehab)
A+
Newton 0-3, BB, 2 k's (It's been UGLY since his promotion)
Schwartz 1-4, K
Santos 5 innings 9 hits 4 runs 0 walks 9 k's (Last 7 starts... 34.2 innings 34 hits 9 walks 34 k's)
Hardy 1 inning 1 hit 1 run 0 walks 2 k's (quietly having a very nice season)
Big Sammy 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 2 k's (Big Sammy Tavarez now up to 29 k's over 19 innings on the season, walks remain an issue (13) but hitters are hitting .100 against the 6'7 giant)
St. Lucie
Ramirez 0-4, BB, SB, K
Consuegra 0-2, 2 BB, 2 K (Stan "The Man" Consuegra having himself a month .262/.384/.574, 10 extra-base hits, 12 walks vs. 13 k's + 5 steals (he WAS caught 3 times)
Lugo 0-3, BB
Tilien 0-4, K
Dominguez 0-3, BB, 3 k's
Juarez .2 innings 0 walks 3 runs 2 walks 0 k's
were one of the 5 teams to not pay minor leaguers during extended ST. For all of the love @StevenACohen2
got last week for the meeting with @MiLBAdvocates
, this is not a good look for the franchise #Mets
So not the Mets or where there 6?
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Supposedly the 5 teams that didn’t pay were the As, Angels, Brewers, Marlins and Reds
So not the Mets or where there 6?
The Athletic updated and removed the Mets
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Looks like Max Scherzer has rejoined the Mets in Miami. Means there’s a good chance he starts on Sunday
Additionally, good sign Carlos Carrasco (back tightness, underwent MRI) has a glove on in this photo
*694 games
either way i dont think you can run the calculus of the trade deadline expecting him healthy. I think you need to approach him like Kershaw at this point and build the best rotation you can without him. If he's there it's gravy.
a few weeks before 8/2 is 7/12 that's basically 3 weeks away. Sounds optimistic.
Basically just Montas, Mahle, or Castillo.
I wouldn't do anything crazy but if I could get 1 of them for say Mauricio/Dom/Peterson and saving their current teams extra $ by taking back a possibly useful contract like Laureno or Minor i think i'd pull the trigger. That's fairly comparable to what Berrios returned last deadline.
remember all 3 of them are under control next year and with Walker probably in line to get more $ than the nym can afford at least 1 spot will be opening up.
if someone blows that offer out of the water or their teams don't trade them that's fine too. hopefully at least raised the price tag for another contender.
without 1 of those 3 I'd skip over the 2nd tier and pivot to trying to get Minor cheap (which is probably a non top 20 prospect and taking on his remaining $). best case he never has to start and goes to the bp. worst case he can shift to the rotation to get you through the regular season and then shift back to the pen in the post season (or whenever Megill/JDG get back).
There's also no purpose to trade for a pitcher under control for next year. Carrasco has a friendly team option. I doubt Bassitt and Walker are going to be difficult to maintain if wanted. There's also a million other players like Syndergaard going to be floating around.
I thought with Cohen we could finally move passed moving big prospects for fringe needs.
Major pass for me but thats just my opinion.
Go get Bell and Fulmer for virtually nothing and plug actual holes that will be useful in the postseason.
Carrasco 3.58 FIP
Walker 3.17 FIP
Megill 3.62 FIP
Castillo 3.47 FIP
Mahle 3.38 FIP
Montsas 3.28 FIP
Where's the upgrade?
because the way I look at it to be a playoff improvement you're not trying to get someone who can compete with Walker or Carrasco or even Peterson or Megill necessarily, you're looking at someone to replace deGrom or Scherzer.
and that pitcher isn't out there.
I would improve the bullpen though. and I'd spend to do it but I wouldn't settle.
scherzer is just coming back and turns 38 next month
bassitt is a free agent at the end of the year
walker is a free agent at the end of the year and who knows if he hits an innings wall like last year
all 3 of montas, mahle, and castillo are under 30 and among the top 25 most valuable SP from 2020-2022 with 200+ combined innings.
Scherzer is #6 and Bassitt is #28, and maybe it's just me but they've been pretty good additions. So adding a younger version of any SP comparable to Bassitt with 1 extra year of control seems like a good idea.
because the way I look at it to be a playoff improvement you're not trying to get someone who can compete with Walker or Carrasco or even Peterson or Megill necessarily, you're looking at someone to replace deGrom or Scherzer.
and that pitcher isn't out there.
I would improve the bullpen though. and I'd spend to do it but I wouldn't settle.
there's definitely not a JDG or Scherzer level player but anyone on that level being available is obviously a rare luxury. if they get to the playoffs healthy and pitching well it's Schilling/Johnson and that's not something most WS teams have.
knowing we may not have many chances to get to the postseason with both of them i'd be aggressive at the deadline because just having the possibility is extremely rare. but knowing the FA pitching market sucks next offseason and they will probably be shopping for a SP trade in 6 months anyway, why not get aggressive now for a guy with the extra term?
The berrios deal was 1 top 50 prospect and SWR - both still in AA a year later. That's not a crazy price tag for a team going for a championship and a pitcher on that level would give them probably the best and deepest rotation in MLB.
because the way I look at it to be a playoff improvement you're not trying to get someone who can compete with Walker or Carrasco or even Peterson or Megill necessarily, you're looking at someone to replace deGrom or Scherzer.
and that pitcher isn't out there.
I would improve the bullpen though. and I'd spend to do it but I wouldn't settle.
That isnt my point. A playoff rotation has FOUR starter MAX. Sometimes three. Even with no deGrom we still have Scherzer, Bassitt, Carrasco, and Walker with Megill being a wild card insurance type in case even one of those dont make it. All of those pitchers after Scherzer are of the same ilk as Castillo, Mahle, and Montas so far. Let's say we trade for Castillo. That bumps Walker from the rotation and maybe the entire postseason. Did that upgrade the roster? Do you really want to give up Mauricio plus for such a nominal upgrade?
It just doesnt move the needle on helping us win a WS at all. Sorry.
scherzer is just coming back and turns 38 next month
bassitt is a free agent at the end of the year
walker is a free agent at the end of the year and who knows if he hits an innings wall like last year
all 3 of montas, mahle, and castillo are under 30 and among the top 25 most valuable SP from 2020-2022 with 200+ combined innings.
Scherzer is #6 and Bassitt is #28, and maybe it's just me but they've been pretty good additions. So adding a younger version of any SP comparable to Bassitt with 1 extra year of control seems like a good idea.
Walker is young. Just re-sign him. Problem solved. Dont forget we also have deGrom, Scherzer, Carrasco (friendly team option), Megill, and Peterson committed next year. Add one of Bassitt or Walker and the rotation is already close to full.
I wouldn't wave the white flag and be sellers, but I'm not trading a top 50 prospect for a hail mary. I'd make "fill-in" moves like Rich Hill-types for depth or the bullpen equivalent of a Hill.
I know they have had good first halfs but I don't trust Carrasco or Walker to pitch as well down the stretch or in the playoffs - even Bassist as the #2 I'm not a huge fan of an doesn't make me believe they're a contender, so I'm not trading highly ranked prospects away (for rentals especially but even non-rentals) without deGrom.
And my point was different than yours anway, I was sayin gid deGrom and Scherzer prove healthy and established rotation pieces, I am more willing to deal, but again for bullpen help not rotation. Even a bat I'd add.
I'm personally not passing on similarly aged pitchers with stronger track records and legitimate TOR upside to hold full time spots for 2 pitchers who have never even thrown 100 innings in a season let alone 150-200. They are both perfectly cast as extra starters until they can do that.
also Carrasco's 14m option may or may not be so team friendly if he doesn't finish strong. the 3m buyout probably makes it unlikely they don't exercise the option but it wouldn't shock me if they trade him to clear the 14m if they'd rather put it towards extended Walker or Bassitt.
I wouldn't wave the white flag and be sellers, but I'm not trading a top 50 prospect for a hail mary. I'd make "fill-in" moves like Rich Hill-types for depth or the bullpen equivalent of a Hill.
I know they have had good first halfs but I don't trust Carrasco or Walker to pitch as well down the stretch or in the playoffs - even Bassist as the #2 I'm not a huge fan of an doesn't make me believe they're a contender, so I'm not trading highly ranked prospects away (for rentals especially but even non-rentals) without deGrom.
And my point was different than yours anway, I was sayin gid deGrom and Scherzer prove healthy and established rotation pieces, I am more willing to deal, but again for bullpen help not rotation. Even a bat I'd add.
they have the 2nd best record in baseball without jdg and with Scherzer missing half the season so far. there's no hailmary necessary when a team is 20 games over .500.
if prices are outrageous i have no issue taking the braves approach but if prices are comparable to what they've been in the past i have no issue going bigger. im not doing something stupid like putting alvarez on the table under any circumstance but this is as win now of a team as there is. im not going to prospect hug whoever the 4th, 5th, 6th best guy in the system is with a chance to win this year (and especially if it's a player that can also help next year).
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James McCann is expected in Miami tomorrow (he may have already arrived), presumably to be activated from the IL.
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but my point was different and it was even with Scherzer but no deGrom I don't see the Mets as slam dunk WS contenders and i wouldn't go all-in on any deadline deals at any positions.
I wouldn't wave the white flag and be sellers, but I'm not trading a top 50 prospect for a hail mary. I'd make "fill-in" moves like Rich Hill-types for depth or the bullpen equivalent of a Hill.
I know they have had good first halfs but I don't trust Carrasco or Walker to pitch as well down the stretch or in the playoffs - even Bassist as the #2 I'm not a huge fan of an doesn't make me believe they're a contender, so I'm not trading highly ranked prospects away (for rentals especially but even non-rentals) without deGrom.
And my point was different than yours anway, I was sayin gid deGrom and Scherzer prove healthy and established rotation pieces, I am more willing to deal, but again for bullpen help not rotation. Even a bat I'd add.
they have the 2nd best record in baseball without jdg and with Scherzer missing half the season so far. there's no hailmary necessary when a team is 20 games over .500.
if prices are outrageous i have no issue taking the braves approach but if prices are comparable to what they've been in the past i have no issue going bigger. im not doing something stupid like putting alvarez on the table under any circumstance but this is as win now of a team as there is. im not going to prospect hug whoever the 4th, 5th, 6th best guy in the system is with a chance to win this year (and especially if it's a player that can also help next year).
we can agree to disagree. I do not see a rotation of Scherzer, Basssit, Carasco and Walker a WS contender. especially with the inconsistent pen. I don't care how many games over .500 they are in the regular season.
again, not waving the white flag, but also not mortgaging the future rolling the dice that team can win in the playoffs.
What you can’t do is give up players who end up so good they aren’t available in FA like Alonso and hopefully Alvarez.
That doesn’t mean it’s open season on any prospect but if they are good at self scouting and building a deep system in general it’s a lot easier to gamble knowing you can probably sign a quality player in FA. Or in Mauricio’s case already have a $300m short stop signed for another 10 years.
What you can’t do is give up players who end up so good they aren’t available in FA like Alonso and hopefully Alvarez.
That doesn’t mean it’s open season on any prospect but if they are good at self scouting and building a deep system in general it’s a lot easier to gamble knowing you can probably sign a quality player in FA. Or in Mauricio’s case already have a $300m short stop signed for another 10 years.
You don't think there will ever be an owner-imposed limit to just buying players to fill holes opened by trading young players possibly earmarked to eventually fill roster holes?
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but my point was different and it was even with Scherzer but no deGrom I don't see the Mets as slam dunk WS contenders and i wouldn't go all-in on any deadline deals at any positions.
I wouldn't wave the white flag and be sellers, but I'm not trading a top 50 prospect for a hail mary. I'd make "fill-in" moves like Rich Hill-types for depth or the bullpen equivalent of a Hill.
I know they have had good first halfs but I don't trust Carrasco or Walker to pitch as well down the stretch or in the playoffs - even Bassist as the #2 I'm not a huge fan of an doesn't make me believe they're a contender, so I'm not trading highly ranked prospects away (for rentals especially but even non-rentals) without deGrom.
And my point was different than yours anway, I was sayin gid deGrom and Scherzer prove healthy and established rotation pieces, I am more willing to deal, but again for bullpen help not rotation. Even a bat I'd add.
they have the 2nd best record in baseball without jdg and with Scherzer missing half the season so far. there's no hailmary necessary when a team is 20 games over .500.
if prices are outrageous i have no issue taking the braves approach but if prices are comparable to what they've been in the past i have no issue going bigger. im not doing something stupid like putting alvarez on the table under any circumstance but this is as win now of a team as there is. im not going to prospect hug whoever the 4th, 5th, 6th best guy in the system is with a chance to win this year (and especially if it's a player that can also help next year).
we can agree to disagree. I do not see a rotation of Scherzer, Basssit, Carasco and Walker a WS contender. especially with the inconsistent pen. I don't care how many games over .500 they are in the regular season.
again, not waving the white flag, but also not mortgaging the future rolling the dice that team can win in the playoffs.
agreed to disagree. Just curious but would you have done the cespedes trade at the time?
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Unlike the previous decades if they have a need they can fill it in FA. Trade a PCA sign a Marte. Let Conforto leave sign Canha. Let Thor leave sign Scherzer.
What you can’t do is give up players who end up so good they aren’t available in FA like Alonso and hopefully Alvarez.
That doesn’t mean it’s open season on any prospect but if they are good at self scouting and building a deep system in general it’s a lot easier to gamble knowing you can probably sign a quality player in FA. Or in Mauricio’s case already have a $300m short stop signed for another 10 years.
You don't think there will ever be an owner-imposed limit to just buying players to fill holes opened by trading young players possibly earmarked to eventually fill roster holes?
They have very little bad $ committed long term and they have a really good position player pipeline that will help them continue producing cost controlled players.
They have a lot of tough future decisions to make but that’s all the more reason to be aggressive now because the talent value of their roster is probably insane right now if you factor in what Nimmo/McNeil/Alonso are going to be making in a few years.
The biggest org deficiency for the future is SP given JDG and Scherzer are on the back 9 which is another reason why that’s probably the position to be aggressive for if possible. I don’t think I’d give up Mauricio for any position player or BP arm except maybe bednar. Not sure about that one.
1. the upgrade Cespedes represented
2. I didn't view Fulmer as hard to replace as PCA in the Mets prospect rankings
3. I felt like the Mets had underperformed to that point. We all did.
4. I was relieved they didn't trade Wheeler
Not going to lie and say I expected Cespedes to perform how he did or the Mets to make it to the WS, but that trade at that time I supported and I don't think that situation was similar to last year with Baez.
Need to wait a few weeks to see how the Mets are positioned heading to this deadline, but if it's no deGrom and an iffy Scherzer I'm not interested, if it's no deGrom and solid Scherzer I'm moderately interested (not going all-in), if it's solid deGrom and solid Scherzer I'm all in