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Reeses Pieces : 6/23/2022 8:42 am
Many of the recent Knicks rumors have lost some steam from a few days ago.

Do the Knicks put all their chips on the table, cutting a deal with the Kings for Jaden Ivey?

A possible Malcom Brogdon deal is said to not include the 11th pick.

Will the Knicks clear $25M in cap space to sign Jalen Brunson?

Where does Burks and Noel land if dealt?

Julius Randle is never in national trade rumors.

If NY stays at 11 and drafts AJ Griffin, how will he history of knee issues fair?

Dejounte Murray was rumored in a possible John Collins deal. This is something the Knicks should investigate.

A lot of Knicks fans on Twitter are down on Leon Rose and Co. Many stating that he is just taking care of CAA, family and friends.

We will have some more clarity in a few hours.

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Brunson is a good player but he’s not elevating the team  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/24/2022 8:01 am : link
into the upper echelon of the Eastern conference. Heck, I could be the PG playjng next to Doncic.

This is the exact wrong way to build a team. I’d rather suck royally for 2-3 years, the Rockets are already in better shape going forward than us and they had a good run not too long ago.

Someone tell me the Rose tenure will turn out to be better than BVW’s with the Mets. So far, he can’t attract big time free agent, hell his godson may not be a sure thing. Keep punting on draft picks just to amass middling vets for your stubborn head coach is going to turn out well I am sure.
One big joke...  
Optimus-NY : 6/24/2022 8:05 am : link
Thoughts  
TyreeHelmet : 6/24/2022 8:10 am : link
Not a great night of the Knicks.

- they couldn’t get OKC to take on Kemba or Noel’s salary last night as part of the trade up? They have the cap space right now that is about to expire.

-lottery teams should not be using first round picks to dump contracts to create cap space. Especially for contracts signed last than a year ago. Hype up the young players all you want, but this roster is still lacks talent.

- you can say this was a bad draft but the best drafter/ talent evaluator in the league sam Presti sure didn’t think so.

- how was Leon Rose not prepared to have cap space for Brunson? He couldn’t be any more connected to him. You give Kemba and Noel 1 year deals and the space is there and no need to use draft picks.

- I know everyone will say they acquired these picks for a big trade but I heard that last year and they then used one for cam reddish….when is he going to take a big swing?

- it’s unbelievable he won’t speak to the media. What is he scared of? And if he fails to sign Brunson it’s time to search for a real GM.

RE: RE: Well they have  
Mike in NJ : 6/24/2022 8:10 am : link
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To unload Noel/Burks somehow and now that teams know we put our eggs in one basket.. those first round picks will be demanded by these teams



This dumb FO has to attach draft picks to players they should never have signed in the first place. The idiot owner Dolan should have hired a competent GM like OKC's Presti to run the Knicks, but he'll never do that.


Not necessarily true. The Knicks clearly can make room to sign Brunson outright if they want to, if he goes to Dallas and says he is signing with the Knicks that could force the Mavericks hand. Do they want to let the Knicks create room with someone else, or do they take back Burks or Noel in a sign and trade so they don’t lose Brunson for nothing? I think a Burks for Brunson sign and trade is a very real possibility.
RE: Thoughts  
nygiants16 : 6/24/2022 8:13 am : link
In comment 15740151 TyreeHelmet said:
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Not a great night of the Knicks.

- they couldn’t get OKC to take on Kemba or Noel’s salary last night as part of the trade up? They have the cap space right now that is about to expire.

-lottery teams should not be using first round picks to dump contracts to create cap space. Especially for contracts signed last than a year ago. Hype up the young players all you want, but this roster is still lacks talent.

- you can say this was a bad draft but the best drafter/ talent evaluator in the league sam Presti sure didn’t think so.

- how was Leon Rose not prepared to have cap space for Brunson? He couldn’t be any more connected to him. You give Kemba and Noel 1 year deals and the space is there and no need to use draft picks.

- I know everyone will say they acquired these picks for a big trade but I heard that last year and they then used one for cam reddish….when is he going to take a big swing?

- it’s unbelievable he won’t speak to the media. What is he scared of? And if he fails to sign Brunson it’s time to search for a real GM.


I agree with your last 2 points..

It is time to take a swing, i have no problem trading out 11 rather than acquiring another young role plauer to add to the 8 players they have under 24...

If they dont sign someone with that space whether its Brunson or even Kyrie, then Rose should go..
NYK  
31southst : 6/24/2022 9:18 am : link
I'm not sure how much the offseason can be parsed but with all the craziness of last night, I still think the key pivot point of the offseason is what they do with Julius.
RE: Brunson is a good player but he’s not elevating the team  
Strahan91 : 6/24/2022 9:22 am : link
In comment 15740142 Jim in Hoboken said:
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into the upper echelon of the Eastern conference. Heck, I could be the PG playjng next to Doncic.

This is the exact wrong way to build a team. I’d rather suck royally for 2-3 years, the Rockets are already in better shape going forward than us and they had a good run not too long ago.

Someone tell me the Rose tenure will turn out to be better than BVW’s with the Mets. So far, he can’t attract big time free agent, hell his godson may not be a sure thing. Keep punting on draft picks just to amass middling vets for your stubborn head coach is going to turn out well I am sure.

Brunson was better without Luka than he was with Luka
RE: I just hope the  
TheMick7 : 6/24/2022 9:35 am : link
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Plan is bigger then just going after Brunson and resigning Robinson


I just hope they can sign those 2. Imagine losing Robinson & Brunson resigns with the Mavs. Then,their big move might be bringing Melo home! SMH
I like Brunson but at 25+ million  
larryflower37 : 6/24/2022 10:04 am : link
Is a big reach, I understand he is young still but a 6'1 PG is limited in today's NBA. I don't get pursuing him as hard as they are, At best he makes us a 8th seed, IMO he is a 3rd option on a championship contender,Definitely not a max player.
Mitch can walk definitely not a big loss we need a 5 that can at minimum make defenses think he might shoot outside of 6 ft.
I hope all this picks are for a Mitchell type player and not to move Noel and Burks for Brunson.
This is shaping up to be a disappointing off-season.
RE: RE: I just hope the  
TommyWiseau : 6/24/2022 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15740279 TheMick7 said:
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Plan is bigger then just going after Brunson and resigning Robinson



I just hope they can sign those 2. Imagine losing Robinson & Brunson resigns with the Mavs. Then,their big move might be bringing Melo home! SMH


Them losing out on Brunson and Mitch walking would be so knicks. What then Rose?
RE: I like Brunson but at 25+ million  
Strahan91 : 6/24/2022 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15740323 larryflower37 said:
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Is a big reach, I understand he is young still but a 6'1 PG is limited in today's NBA. I don't get pursuing him as hard as they are, At best he makes us a 8th seed, IMO he is a 3rd option on a championship contender,Definitely not a max player.
Mitch can walk definitely not a big loss we need a 5 that can at minimum make defenses think he might shoot outside of 6 ft.
I hope all this picks are for a Mitchell type player and not to move Noel and Burks for Brunson.
This is shaping up to be a disappointing off-season.

I'll eat my words if it happens but I think it's highly unlikely they're using the picks they got to dump Burks, Noel or Reddish. If push comes to shove and all options have been exhausted they could just stretch Noel and basically get there.

Brunson just was the 2nd option on a team that made the WCF. Luka's an other-worldly player don't get me wrong but Brunson has taken big steps forward every year he's been in the league. He could easily be an all-star as the lead guard this year or next imo.

I remember when the Bulls got Lonzo (who I wanted) and I thought it was too much for him and would hamstring them only for them to turn around and add DeRozan so I don't think Brunson is the be all end all if he does indeed sign with the Knicks. I think they wanted the extra picks to get aggressive when the right star becomes available via trade.

I've been posting all week leading up to the draft that it's time for them to take a big swing but I know at the same time since Rose and WWW took over the only "stars" who have been dealt were Westbrick, Harden (2x), Vucevic and Sabonis. None were at all interesting to me at least. The previous two years had a lot more star movement
RE: One big joke...  
Vanzetti : 6/25/2022 12:17 am : link
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Lol. Beckett must have been a knicks fan

Also, thanks for elevating the discourse here
RE: RE: I like Brunson but at 25+ million  
giantstock : 6/25/2022 3:41 am : link
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Is a big reach, I understand he is young still but a 6'1 PG is limited in today's NBA. I don't get pursuing him as hard as they are, At best he makes us a 8th seed, IMO he is a 3rd option on a championship contender,Definitely not a max player.
Mitch can walk definitely not a big loss we need a 5 that can at minimum make defenses think he might shoot outside of 6 ft.
I hope all this picks are for a Mitchell type player and not to move Noel and Burks for Brunson.
This is shaping up to be a disappointing off-season.



Brunson just was the 2nd option on a team that made the WCF. Luka's an other-worldly player don't get me wrong but Brunson has taken big steps forward every year he's been in the league. He could easily be an all-star as the lead guard this year or next imo.

I remember when the Bulls got Lonzo (who I wanted) and I thought it was too much for him and would hamstring them only for them to turn around and add DeRozan so I don't think Brunson is the be all end all if he does indeed sign with the Knicks. I think they wanted the extra picks to get aggressive when the right star becomes available via trade.

I've been posting all week leading up to the draft that it's time for them to take a big swing but I know at the same time since Rose and WWW took over the only "stars" who have been dealt were Westbrick, Harden (2x), Vucevic and Sabonis. None were at all interesting to me at least. The previous two years had a lot more star movement


No thanks to Brunson. The idea is to become an eventual contender. And if Brunson leaves Dallas without Luka, what do you think Brunson is going to do for the Knicks? Just being "an all-star" but similar to Beal/Wall leads the Knicks to where?

I hope they dont swing this year in FA. There just isn't anybody good enough to swing for that puts the Knicks name on the map.
RE: RE: RE: I like Brunson but at 25+ million  
nygiants16 : 6/25/2022 7:22 am : link
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Is a big reach, I understand he is young still but a 6'1 PG is limited in today's NBA. I don't get pursuing him as hard as they are, At best he makes us a 8th seed, IMO he is a 3rd option on a championship contender,Definitely not a max player.
Mitch can walk definitely not a big loss we need a 5 that can at minimum make defenses think he might shoot outside of 6 ft.
I hope all this picks are for a Mitchell type player and not to move Noel and Burks for Brunson.
This is shaping up to be a disappointing off-season.



Brunson just was the 2nd option on a team that made the WCF. Luka's an other-worldly player don't get me wrong but Brunson has taken big steps forward every year he's been in the league. He could easily be an all-star as the lead guard this year or next imo.

I remember when the Bulls got Lonzo (who I wanted) and I thought it was too much for him and would hamstring them only for them to turn around and add DeRozan so I don't think Brunson is the be all end all if he does indeed sign with the Knicks. I think they wanted the extra picks to get aggressive when the right star becomes available via trade.

I've been posting all week leading up to the draft that it's time for them to take a big swing but I know at the same time since Rose and WWW took over the only "stars" who have been dealt were Westbrick, Harden (2x), Vucevic and Sabonis. None were at all interesting to me at least. The previous two years had a lot more star movement



No thanks to Brunson. The idea is to become an eventual contender. And if Brunson leaves Dallas without Luka, what do you think Brunson is going to do for the Knicks? Just being "an all-star" but similar to Beal/Wall leads the Knicks to where?

I hope they dont swing this year in FA. There just isn't anybody good enough to swing for that puts the Knicks name on the map.


Brunson in 17 games without Luka was 21ppg and 7 assists..

and this idea that you dont get Brunson because he doesnt make you a contender doesnt make sense to me, I could understand that if thr Knicks had a finished roster and adding Brunson capped them out and he was the final piece.

He is not a final piece but he is a piece, you sign Brunson you can keep adding and the youth on the team Rj, Iq, Obi and Mitch will get better playing with a real PG.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I like Brunson but at 25+ million  
Ira : 6/25/2022 9:56 am : link
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Is a big reach, I understand he is young still but a 6'1 PG is limited in today's NBA. I don't get pursuing him as hard as they are, At best he makes us a 8th seed, IMO he is a 3rd option on a championship contender,Definitely not a max player.
Mitch can walk definitely not a big loss we need a 5 that can at minimum make defenses think he might shoot outside of 6 ft.
I hope all this picks are for a Mitchell type player and not to move Noel and Burks for Brunson.
This is shaping up to be a disappointing off-season.



Brunson just was the 2nd option on a team that made the WCF. Luka's an other-worldly player don't get me wrong but Brunson has taken big steps forward every year he's been in the league. He could easily be an all-star as the lead guard this year or next imo.

I remember when the Bulls got Lonzo (who I wanted) and I thought it was too much for him and would hamstring them only for them to turn around and add DeRozan so I don't think Brunson is the be all end all if he does indeed sign with the Knicks. I think they wanted the extra picks to get aggressive when the right star becomes available via trade.

I've been posting all week leading up to the draft that it's time for them to take a big swing but I know at the same time since Rose and WWW took over the only "stars" who have been dealt were Westbrick, Harden (2x), Vucevic and Sabonis. None were at all interesting to me at least. The previous two years had a lot more star movement



No thanks to Brunson. The idea is to become an eventual contender. And if Brunson leaves Dallas without Luka, what do you think Brunson is going to do for the Knicks? Just being "an all-star" but similar to Beal/Wall leads the Knicks to where?

I hope they dont swing this year in FA. There just isn't anybody good enough to swing for that puts the Knicks name on the map.



Brunson in 17 games without Luka was 21ppg and 7 assists..

and this idea that you dont get Brunson because he doesnt make you a contender doesnt make sense to me, I could understand that if thr Knicks had a finished roster and adding Brunson capped them out and he was the final piece.

He is not a final piece but he is a piece, you sign Brunson you can keep adding and the youth on the team Rj, Iq, Obi and Mitch will get better playing with a real PG.


Getting a young point guard who can give your 21 pts, 7 assists and play good d is a big deal.
NY Post article on Brunson's Knicks connections  
Del Shofner : 6/25/2022 10:11 am : link
including Derrick Rose and the fact that Brunson's mother is a Giants fan! Also the Knicks signed another Exhibit 10 player.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: I like Brunson but at 25+ million  
giantstock : 6/25/2022 12:43 pm : link
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Is a big reach, I understand he is young still but a 6'1 PG is limited in today's NBA. I don't get pursuing him as hard as they are, At best he makes us a 8th seed, IMO he is a 3rd option on a championship contender,Definitely not a max player.
Mitch can walk definitely not a big loss we need a 5 that can at minimum make defenses think he might shoot outside of 6 ft.
I hope all this picks are for a Mitchell type player and not to move Noel and Burks for Brunson.
This is shaping up to be a disappointing off-season.



Brunson just was the 2nd option on a team that made the WCF. Luka's an other-worldly player don't get me wrong but Brunson has taken big steps forward every year he's been in the league. He could easily be an all-star as the lead guard this year or next imo.

I remember when the Bulls got Lonzo (who I wanted) and I thought it was too much for him and would hamstring them only for them to turn around and add DeRozan so I don't think Brunson is the be all end all if he does indeed sign with the Knicks. I think they wanted the extra picks to get aggressive when the right star becomes available via trade.

I've been posting all week leading up to the draft that it's time for them to take a big swing but I know at the same time since Rose and WWW took over the only "stars" who have been dealt were Westbrick, Harden (2x), Vucevic and Sabonis. None were at all interesting to me at least. The previous two years had a lot more star movement



No thanks to Brunson. The idea is to become an eventual contender. And if Brunson leaves Dallas without Luka, what do you think Brunson is going to do for the Knicks? Just being "an all-star" but similar to Beal/Wall leads the Knicks to where?

I hope they dont swing this year in FA. There just isn't anybody good enough to swing for that puts the Knicks name on the map.



Brunson in 17 games without Luka was 21ppg and 7 assists..

and this idea that you dont get Brunson because he doesnt make you a contender doesnt make sense to me, I could understand that if thr Knicks had a finished roster and adding Brunson capped them out and he was the final piece.

He is not a final piece but he is a piece, you sign Brunson you can keep adding and the youth on the team Rj, Iq, Obi and Mitch will get better playing with a real PG.


Yeah right. These stats are relevant. LOL.

SO he averaged more points and more assists- so that must mean then that Luka was "holding him back< right?

To use the stats you are using is lunacy. What numbers would you have been providing me the prior year in justifying Randle's contract or making a big move for Lillard?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I like Brunson but at 25+ million  
giantstock : 6/25/2022 12:45 pm : link
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Is a big reach, I understand he is young still but a 6'1 PG is limited in today's NBA. I don't get pursuing him as hard as they are, At best he makes us a 8th seed, IMO he is a 3rd option on a championship contender,Definitely not a max player.
Mitch can walk definitely not a big loss we need a 5 that can at minimum make defenses think he might shoot outside of 6 ft.
I hope all this picks are for a Mitchell type player and not to move Noel and Burks for Brunson.
This is shaping up to be a disappointing off-season.



Brunson just was the 2nd option on a team that made the WCF. Luka's an other-worldly player don't get me wrong but Brunson has taken big steps forward every year he's been in the league. He could easily be an all-star as the lead guard this year or next imo.

I remember when the Bulls got Lonzo (who I wanted) and I thought it was too much for him and would hamstring them only for them to turn around and add DeRozan so I don't think Brunson is the be all end all if he does indeed sign with the Knicks. I think they wanted the extra picks to get aggressive when the right star becomes available via trade.

I've been posting all week leading up to the draft that it's time for them to take a big swing but I know at the same time since Rose and WWW took over the only "stars" who have been dealt were Westbrick, Harden (2x), Vucevic and Sabonis. None were at all interesting to me at least. The previous two years had a lot more star movement



No thanks to Brunson. The idea is to become an eventual contender. And if Brunson leaves Dallas without Luka, what do you think Brunson is going to do for the Knicks? Just being "an all-star" but similar to Beal/Wall leads the Knicks to where?

I hope they dont swing this year in FA. There just isn't anybody good enough to swing for that puts the Knicks name on the map.



Brunson in 17 games without Luka was 21ppg and 7 assists..

and this idea that you dont get Brunson because he doesnt make you a contender doesnt make sense to me, I could understand that if thr Knicks had a finished roster and adding Brunson capped them out and he was the final piece.

He is not a final piece but he is a piece, you sign Brunson you can keep adding and the youth on the team Rj, Iq, Obi and Mitch will get better playing with a real PG.



Getting a young point guard who can give your 21 pts, 7 assists and play good d is a big deal.


Sura Ira. That's the Dolan way. So let's not talk if he is going to make the Knicks a title contender or talk of how his contract might hurt getting future super elite player, instead let's look at the stats without a context of victories / contending in the future.
giantstock, no offense,  
Kmed6000 : 6/25/2022 1:10 pm : link
but you are purposely being obtuse, IMO. Brunson is best suited as a PG with the ball in his hands. Luka is one of the best in the NBA with the ball in his hands. Don't you think that you can make a logical conclusion that Brunson would do better without Luka because Luka needs the ball in his hands all the time? Its not so far fetched.

Yes, there are also some benefits of playing next to luka, but again, Brunson is best suited as a lead guard.
The Knicks goal should be simple.  
Kmed6000 : 6/25/2022 1:12 pm : link
Can as good as you can without wasting assets and while keeping as much flexibility with the cap as possible. Brunson makes us better, helps keep out assets but will take a hit on the cap flexibility. Is he worth it? Possibly. theres a little projecting going on, but he looks to be an ascending player that fits our roster. He's certainly not without risk, but I think a worthy risk.
Signing Brunson doesn't make us a title contender next season...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/25/2022 1:19 pm : link
But it does make the team better &-God willing-more desirable for a star to either sign here or ask for a trade here. It is as straightforward as that.
RE: giantstock, no offense,  
giantstock : 6/25/2022 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15741124 Kmed6000 said:
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but you are purposely being obtuse, IMO. Brunson is best suited as a PG with the ball in his hands. Luka is one of the best in the NBA with the ball in his hands. Don't you think that you can make a logical conclusion that Brunson would do better without Luka because Luka needs the ball in his hands all the time? Its not so far fetched.

Yes, there are also some benefits of playing next to luka, but again, Brunson is best suited as a lead guard.


No because defenses will now key on him more, won't they?
RE: they have 4 firsts...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/25/2022 1:24 pm : link
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next year not 5.



Are we sure? They already had their own pick and dallas' '23 pick before the trade.
RE: Signing Brunson doesn't make us a title contender next season...  
giantstock : 6/25/2022 1:28 pm : link
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But it does make the team better &-God willing-more desirable for a star to either sign here or ask for a trade here. It is as straightforward as that.


As the poster Mmed6000 said above-- about him being more effective with the ball in his hands, then what makes you think the superstar will want to play with that type of player rather than someone who better fits his strengths? Usually the superstar wants the ball.

SO with what KMed6000 is saying is that Brunson will be more effective, -- how is that attracting the superstar?
RE: RE: giantstock, no offense,  
Kmed6000 : 6/25/2022 1:32 pm : link
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but you are purposely being obtuse, IMO. Brunson is best suited as a PG with the ball in his hands. Luka is one of the best in the NBA with the ball in his hands. Don't you think that you can make a logical conclusion that Brunson would do better without Luka because Luka needs the ball in his hands all the time? Its not so far fetched.

Yes, there are also some benefits of playing next to luka, but again, Brunson is best suited as a lead guard.



No because defenses will now key on him more, won't they?


So games when Luka wasn't playing should be a good indication of how teams would defend him without Luka, no?
I am not so sure  
Kmed6000 : 6/25/2022 1:33 pm : link
a player will come to NY because they want to play with Brunson. They will want to come here because its a great place to play and because we are a good team that is close to contending.
RE: RE: they have 4 firsts...  
adamg : 6/25/2022 1:54 pm : link
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next year not 5.





Are we sure? They already had their own pick and dallas' '23 pick before the trade.


The MIL pick is a 2025.
JFC  
djm : 6/25/2022 2:04 pm : link
The Knicks need a pg. A young in his prime PG is there to be had for a lot of money but not the biggest contract by any means and he’s blocked by a superstar. This is EXACTLY the guy you go for because, try and stay with me here, HE IS attainable. And again he’s in his prime. Of course there’s risk but how many times have we seen that younger, “blocked” or ascending player from lesser draft stock turn into a star when he gets a bigger or more pro longed opportunity? James harden ring a bell? Kyle Lowry? Vanvleet?

You want the perfect, No brainer in his prime legend in FA. You want moby dick. We all want that guy, I get it, but you have to take risks sometimes or go for the guy that isn’t all the way there yet. No guts no glory. Keep waiting on aged 28 Lebron see how that goes.

Also, most don’t want to trade a lot for that star so wtf are we doing then?

Go all in on Brunson and make him rich. At the very least you’d have a solid pg on and off the court making big but not insane max money and the cap goes up. No fucking brainer. Which is why he will stay in Dallas for even more money and no one will bitch about the mavs overspending. Only the Knicks of course. Meanwhile, no one takes their money anyway. I give up.

RE: RE: RE: giantstock, no offense,  
giantstock : 6/25/2022 4:22 pm : link
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but you are purposely being obtuse, IMO. Brunson is best suited as a PG with the ball in his hands. Luka is one of the best in the NBA with the ball in his hands. Don't you think that you can make a logical conclusion that Brunson would do better without Luka because Luka needs the ball in his hands all the time? Its not so far fetched.

Yes, there are also some benefits of playing next to luka, but again, Brunson is best suited as a lead guard.



No because defenses will now key on him more, won't they?



So games when Luka wasn't playing should be a good indication of how teams would defend him without Luka, no?


Would it? Wouldn't it be more accurate/advantageous for teams to scout him as the season progresses?

And where do you think Brunson was going to lead Dallas as the top option? Or are we only going to look at points and assists and not be concerned about becoming a title threat with him as the lead player?

RE: I am not so sure  
giantstock : 6/25/2022 4:23 pm : link
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a player will come to NY because they want to play with Brunson. They will want to come here because its a great place to play and because we are a good team that is close to contending.


Who says they are close to contending?
RE: RE: I am not so sure  
Kmed6000 : 6/25/2022 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15741191 giantstock said:
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a player will come to NY because they want to play with Brunson. They will want to come here because its a great place to play and because we are a good team that is close to contending.



Who says they are close to contending?


Um, nobody. How are you not following the conversation?
Cam Reddish is trending on Twitter  
Anakim : 6/25/2022 4:28 pm : link
Because of trade rumors
djm - no sarcasm  
arniefez : 6/25/2022 4:30 pm : link
That's the best Knicks post I've ever read here. That's exactly what the Knicks should be doing IMO.

It seems the front office is a little paralyzed or kicking the can down the road?

Is it realistic to move Randle? Will anyone take him?

If the Knicks are going to go all in with a young core do they have the right coach?
RE: JFC  
giantstock : 6/25/2022 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15741140 djm said:
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The Knicks need a pg. A young in his prime PG is there to be had for a lot of money but not the biggest contract by any means and he’s blocked by a superstar. This is EXACTLY the guy you go for because, try and stay with me here, HE IS attainable. And again he’s in his prime. Of course there’s risk but how many times have we seen that younger, “blocked” or ascending player from lesser draft stock turn into a star when he gets a bigger or more pro longed opportunity? James harden ring a bell? Kyle Lowry? Vanvleet?

You want the perfect, No brainer in his prime legend in FA. You want moby dick. We all want that guy, I get it, but you have to take risks sometimes or go for the guy that isn’t all the way there yet. No guts no glory. Keep waiting on aged 28 Lebron see how that goes.

Also, most don’t want to trade a lot for that star so wtf are we doing then?

Go all in on Brunson and make him rich. At the very least you’d have a solid pg on and off the court making big but not insane max money and the cap goes up. No fucking brainer. Which is why he will stay in Dallas for even more money and no one will bitch about the mavs overspending. Only the Knicks of course. Meanwhile, no one takes their money anyway. I give up.


Did teh Nets land "Moby Dick" with Durant?
Did Maimia land "Moby Dick" with LeBron?
And when Davis was at his peak where did he go? He left his team?>
What about Chirs Paul?
Carmello Anothony?

So I guess it's not really Moby Dick, is it?

And didn't we hear the same story you are spouting with Randle last year? And there was a talk ot push for Lillard because he would only be 31?

You are making the same mistake over-and-over.



RE: RE: RE: I am not so sure  
giantstock : 6/25/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15741199 Kmed6000 said:
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In comment 15741134 Kmed6000 said:


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a player will come to NY because they want to play with Brunson. They will want to come here because its a great place to play and because we are a good team that is close to contending.



Who says they are close to contending?



Um, nobody. How are you not following the conversation?


Then what are you talking about with "contending?" How is "contending" in any way being mentioned here as having any bit of relevance?
Except Brunson's career numbers are better than Randle's were consider  
adamg : 6/25/2022 6:37 pm : link
ing they're at different points in their respective careers. If Brunson plays like an all star, we could easily go back to being a 4 seed.
The biggest thing the Knicks need is for RJ's efficiency numbers to  
adamg : 6/25/2022 6:39 pm : link
improve somewhat dramatically. If he becomes even decent (50% eFG), he could easily be an all star too.
adamg.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/25/2022 6:55 pm : link
Agree re. Barrett. I'm still high on him.
RE: The biggest thing the Knicks need is for RJ's efficiency numbers to  
Strahan91 : 6/25/2022 6:57 pm : link
In comment 15741243 adamg said:
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improve somewhat dramatically. If he becomes even decent (50% eFG), he could easily be an all star too.

Playing with a legitimate NBA point guard should go a long way in helping Barrett reaching the next level, same goes for Toppin
giantstock, here is how we got here......  
Kmed6000 : 6/26/2022 9:28 am : link
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SO with what KMed6000 is saying is that Brunson will be more effective, -- how is that attracting the superstar?

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I am not so sure a player will come to NY because they want to play with Brunson. They will want to come here because its a great place to play and because we are a good team that is close to contending.

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Who says they are close to contending?


You asked how is signing Brunson attracting a superstar? My response was that he won't. The only thing that will attract a superstar is if we are close to contending. Not that Brunson will put us in that position, but that we need to continue to try to get better until we are close. Then we will get a star.
RE: djm - no sarcasm  
djm : 6/26/2022 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15741203 arniefez said:
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That's the best Knicks post I've ever read here. That's exactly what the Knicks should be doing IMO.

It seems the front office is a little paralyzed or kicking the can down the road?

Is it realistic to move Randle? Will anyone take him?

If the Knicks are going to go all in with a young core do they have the right coach?


Thx, a stopped watch is right twice a day too! But seriously i appreciate it. And if they do sign Brunson here and he sucks I’ll admit I was wrong but I’d still defend the move to get him.
RE: RE: JFC  
djm : 6/26/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15741205 giantstock said:
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The Knicks need a pg. A young in his prime PG is there to be had for a lot of money but not the biggest contract by any means and he’s blocked by a superstar. This is EXACTLY the guy you go for because, try and stay with me here, HE IS attainable. And again he’s in his prime. Of course there’s risk but how many times have we seen that younger, “blocked” or ascending player from lesser draft stock turn into a star when he gets a bigger or more pro longed opportunity? James harden ring a bell? Kyle Lowry? Vanvleet?

You want the perfect, No brainer in his prime legend in FA. You want moby dick. We all want that guy, I get it, but you have to take risks sometimes or go for the guy that isn’t all the way there yet. No guts no glory. Keep waiting on aged 28 Lebron see how that goes.

Also, most don’t want to trade a lot for that star so wtf are we doing then?

Go all in on Brunson and make him rich. At the very least you’d have a solid pg on and off the court making big but not insane max money and the cap goes up. No fucking brainer. Which is why he will stay in Dallas for even more money and no one will bitch about the mavs overspending. Only the Knicks of course. Meanwhile, no one takes their money anyway. I give up.




Did teh Nets land "Moby Dick" with Durant?
Did Maimia land "Moby Dick" with LeBron?
And when Davis was at his peak where did he go? He left his team?>
What about Chirs Paul?
Carmello Anothony?

So I guess it's not really Moby Dick, is it?

And didn't we hear the same story you are spouting with Randle last year? And there was a talk ot push for Lillard because he would only be 31?

You are making the same mistake over-and-over.




Wait, what?? How is star phucking for the likes of Durant the same as signing a guy like Brunson? They aren’t at all the same. Durant is moby dick and the nets of any franchise were lucky in getting him. Those guys rarely avail themselves. Are you actually implying that signing Durant was dumb? Cmon dude. You’re all over the place but your center seems focused on hating the free agent signing, period.

So we wait 100 years to draft the warriors team.no free agents allowed?

That too is a risky methodology. No thanks.
Signing Durant was a blessing for the nets  
djm : 6/26/2022 4:45 pm : link
Even if it hasn’t yielded postseason glory. Signing kyrie hasn’t even hurt them and now he’s a fa again so it stands to reason to say it didn’t hurt the nets at all, but we don’t know what the future holds. If they let kyrie walk how was that such a bad signing? Who else could the nets have signed the last 2-3 years? How did the kyrie signing preclude the nets from signing anyone better?? The harden trade is another story, but you seem to be ripping the Durant and kyrie signings.

Any team signs Durant if they can. Any. Full stop. You don’t get to sit here now and say I told you so simply because the nets Didn’t win a title with Durant. Sorry.

And if you aren’t ripping the Durant move(s)  
djm : 6/26/2022 4:49 pm : link
More defending they wait it out for that kind of move, that’s fine, but again it comes with risk. Plus signing Bronson won’t preclude the Knicks from other moves. You can pay a lot of guys if you play things correctly.

In a league loaded with guards teams still don’t tend to let the good ones get away very often. We need one badly. It’s a positional crisis like not having a qb In the nfl.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/26/2022 4:50 pm : link
I haven't read the entire thread, but if someone is ripping the Nets for signing KD...like, wow. That is one dumb AF take.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/26/2022 4:52 pm : link
If KD's foot is like 3 inches smaller, the Nets-in all likelihood-win the NBA championship last season.
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djm : 6/26/2022 5:06 pm : link
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I haven't read the entire thread, but if someone is ripping the Nets for signing KD...like, wow. That is one dumb AF take.


To be fair not sure he did I may have misinterpreted that take. I do know he’s been steadfast in condemning any move for Brunson because he doesn’t move the needle enough if at all.
djm.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/26/2022 5:09 pm : link
I don't think anyone here realistically thinks Brunson makes us a legit contender to win the East. Hell, if you put Brunson himself on truth serum, he'd probably agree with that. But he's a good young player @ a position we badly need some stability. Hopefully he helps us win games & become more of an attractive destination for whatever disgruntled superstar wants out next.
RE: djm.  
djm : 6/26/2022 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15741624 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I don't think anyone here realistically thinks Brunson makes us a legit contender to win the East. Hell, if you put Brunson himself on truth serum, he'd probably agree with that. But he's a good young player @ a position we badly need some stability. Hopefully he helps us win games & become more of an attractive destination for whatever disgruntled superstar wants out next.


Same here. I just want to upgrade and solidify the guard position first.
RE: RE: JFC  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/27/2022 9:37 am : link
In comment 15741205 giantstock said:
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The Knicks need a pg. A young in his prime PG is there to be had for a lot of money but not the biggest contract by any means and he’s blocked by a superstar. This is EXACTLY the guy you go for because, try and stay with me here, HE IS attainable. And again he’s in his prime. Of course there’s risk but how many times have we seen that younger, “blocked” or ascending player from lesser draft stock turn into a star when he gets a bigger or more pro longed opportunity? James harden ring a bell? Kyle Lowry? Vanvleet?

You want the perfect, No brainer in his prime legend in FA. You want moby dick. We all want that guy, I get it, but you have to take risks sometimes or go for the guy that isn’t all the way there yet. No guts no glory. Keep waiting on aged 28 Lebron see how that goes.

Also, most don’t want to trade a lot for that star so wtf are we doing then?

Go all in on Brunson and make him rich. At the very least you’d have a solid pg on and off the court making big but not insane max money and the cap goes up. No fucking brainer. Which is why he will stay in Dallas for even more money and no one will bitch about the mavs overspending. Only the Knicks of course. Meanwhile, no one takes their money anyway. I give up.




Did teh Nets land "Moby Dick" with Durant?
Did Maimia land "Moby Dick" with LeBron?
And when Davis was at his peak where did he go? He left his team?>
What about Chirs Paul?
Carmello Anothony?

So I guess it's not really Moby Dick, is it?

And didn't we hear the same story you are spouting with Randle last year? And there was a talk ot push for Lillard because he would only be 31?

You are making the same mistake over-and-over.



Ooof, "Maimia"?

For those keeping score, giantstock is an expert in all things Giants, Knicks, and geography.
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