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No more Duke underachievers, Christ

Would be a remote through the tv pick. Just watching him play you can tell he doesn’t have it. I don’t care that he can make open 3’s he doesn’t do anything else. Give me sochan if they are staying out at 11, get rid of Randle and let sochan back up Obi and RJ. I remember watching Duke in tourney wondering why is this guy griffin on the court so much.

where a guy went to school. One guy from a particular school doesn't have anything to do with another from the same school.

If the Knicks want to get to 4 or 5 he believes they can..

Also says another trade up target could be shaeden Sharpe

Is sounding like he’s throwing names and scenarios at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Last night it sounded like OKC was going to use assets they’ve been collecting over the years to make a deal with the Kings and jump NY for Ivey. This is Begley creating another rumor.

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Would be a remote through the tv pick. Just watching him play you can tell he doesn’t have it. I don’t care that he can make open 3’s he doesn’t do anything else. Give me sochan if they are staying out at 11, get rid of Randle and let sochan back up Obi and RJ. I remember watching Duke in tourney wondering why is this guy griffin on the court so much.

Anything that allows us to move on from Randle I welcome.

I do wonder about Sochan though. I see a guy without a lot of skill or top end athleticism. Yes, he's got good size and a motor, but I don't see OG Ononuby in his present or future game. I do see that in Tari Eason though. I view Eason as the better prospect.

In comment 15738617 Reeses Pieces said:

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Is sounding like he’s throwing names and scenarios at the wall and seeing what sticks. Last night it sounded like OKC was going to use assets they’ve been collecting over the years to make a deal with the Kings and jump NY for Ivey. This is Begley creating another rumor.

The OKC stuff has been around for weeks, it wasnt anything new

Smith Jr, Chet, & Paolo in that order.

I'll say this... @Sam_Vecenie's awesome top 100 for @TheAthleticNBA makes Sharpe sound very, very intriguing for @knicks and projects him to be somewhere between a Terrence Ross and Anthony Edwards caliber player with all-star upside

Updated today, has NY selecting Griffin at 11 and Memphis’s Josh Minnot at 42.
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seems a lot more doable then getting from 11 to 4. That kinda jump just doesnt really happen in the NBA.

Man id love to get Murray, but i cant see that happening. I doubt he gets moved at all and if he does i just dont think 11 and a couple future firsts, even unprotected, gets it done. Even if you throw in Obi im still not sure that works.

Also doesnt Trae and Murray seem like an odd fit. Both need the ball and murray not being a good shooter just doesnt really make sense to me.

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I'll say this... @Sam_Vecenie's awesome top 100 for @TheAthleticNBA makes Sharpe sound very, very intriguing for @knicks and projects him to be somewhere between a Terrence Ross and Anthony Edwards caliber player with all-star upside

They'd probably have to move up a few slots, maybe 11 and Dallas pick gets them there but I'd be all for taking Sharpe if it's a possibility. High risk but the Knicks really need to take some swings change their current trajectory.

that had posted Banchero as the favorite to go number one an hour ago are now not offering any action on the top three picks.

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I'll say this... @Sam_Vecenie's awesome top 100 for @TheAthleticNBA makes Sharpe sound very, very intriguing for @knicks and projects him to be somewhere between a Terrence Ross and Anthony Edwards caliber player with all-star upside

Anything close to Edwards would be a home run. It was leaked that he couldn’t hit a shot at Kentucky practices, yet they said he’s shot lights out on workouts. Very conflicting.

and I'm already getting that familiar kick-in-the-balls feeling from the Knicks. Front office needs to make something happen here.

Keep building the youth
Draft Jalen Duran at 11
Sign Brunson
Trade burkes Noel Kemba
Whatever it takes to rid this team of Randle
Sign Mitch? Sign and trade Mitch ? Let him go ?
If they sign Brunson I feel Mitch then becomes a very good player. He just hasn’t had a true point guard

In comment 15738612 GMEN46 said:

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Would be a remote through the tv pick. Just watching him play you can tell he doesn’t have it. I don’t care that he can make open 3’s he doesn’t do anything else. Give me sochan if they are staying out at 11, get rid of Randle and let sochan back up Obi and RJ. I remember watching Duke in tourney wondering why is this guy griffin on the court so much.

According to people who scouted him in HS, he seemed to be playing hurt this year at Duke which limited him athletically. It's possible that with his injury history that's his new normal but could be worth the risk depending on how the Knicks view his medicals. He's destined to be at the very least a very good catch and shoot guy and as far as asset maximization goes, those guys will always be in demand around the league.

In comment 15738610 Greg from LI said:

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No more Duke underachievers, Christ

You guys are taking media scouting reports WAY too far. Absurdly too far.

Giving Brunson $25M-$30M a year?

going from the level of competition he last played against to playing in MSG for the Knicks. Fans would need to be patient which isn't exactly what we're known for

In comment 15738633 Earl the goat said:

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Keep building the youth Draft Jalen Duran at 11 Sign Brunson Trade burkes Noel Kemba Whatever it takes to rid this team of Randle Sign Mitch? Sign and trade Mitch ? Let him go ? If they sign Brunson I feel Mitch then becomes a very good player. He just hasn’t had a true point guard

Perfect post here. YES on so many of those thoughts.

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In comment 15738621 DanMetroMan said: Quote: I'll say this... @Sam_Vecenie's awesome top 100 for @TheAthleticNBA makes Sharpe sound very, very intriguing for @knicks and projects him to be somewhere between a Terrence Ross and Anthony Edwards caliber player with all-star upside Anything close to Edwards would be a home run. It was leaked that he couldn’t hit a shot at Kentucky practices, yet they said he’s shot lights out on workouts. Very conflicting.

Vecenie



Vecenie is really great at what he does and he really sold me on Sharpe.


SUMMARY
The questions with Sharpe obviously abound. He’s a monster shot creator with terrific athleticism. He finishes at the rim and
drives transition play. He’s also never been asked to be a playmaker, and there are real defensive questions. There is also the
matter that Sharpe has never played basketball beyond the high school and EYBL levels, meaning we haven’t seen him play
against older collegiate or professional players. Since he burst onto the scene, we’ve also never seen him in a situation that
isn’t entirely built around and catered to him. How will he react when he’s one part of a whole, as opposed to the No. 1 guy?
Teams have also raised real concerns about how he and his camp have handled the pre-draft process, as well as his timing and
departure from Kentucky. Still, it’s almost impossible to find guys who can create shots like this in the draft and make pull-ups
at a high level as teenagers.
Ultimately, the question is whether Sharpe is closer to Terrence Ross or Anthony Edwards. Athletically, he’s much closer to
Ross – not that that’s a bad thing. In terms of shot creation and ability to decelerate into pull-ups, he’s closer to teenage Edwards.
My guess is that Sharpe ends up somewhere in the middle of those two. He’s not a perfect prospect and wasn’t perfect even at a
lower level. But there are enough tools for someone to bite the bullet on his potential upside as a shot maker in the top 10. If it
works, he has All-Star upside – potentially more All-Star upside than anyone in the class outside of the top four. Even if it doesn’t totally come together, it’s hard to imagine him being anything less than an effective microwave scorer off the bench.

"Sharpe is 6-6 with a 6-11 wingspan and can really shoot; watching him work out on the floor before Kentucky’s NCAA Tournament game, I found it pretty clear he’ll be a viable NBA floor spacer from Day 1.

He’s also athletic enough that he was ranked as the top prospect in the Class of 2023 before reclassifying. How many guys like that, who also had elite shooting ability, have failed? Yes, there are questions about his feel and other, secondary lines of inquiry given that nobody has seen him play top-drawer competition. If he were a center or point guard, I’d have him several places lower. But a 6-6 wing who can shoot? Even if he “fails” in terms of achieving stardom, that still becomes a decent value proposition."


So yeah, I'd give up the Mavs pick to move up to land Sharpe. Go down swinging.

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Griffin’s game comes down to how much you buy him as a shot creator. If you think he’s such a good shooter and jump-shot creator that he can average an efficient 20 points per game almost purely living on 3-pointers and pull-ups, then you should have him in the top five. As a scorer, I would argue that he has the most upside in the draft outside of the top four guys because of that value as a shooter. I completely buy him as a 40 percent shooter from 3 if you get him a steady stream of kickouts. If you start to throw in his potential athletic gains as he gets further from injury, then it’s easy to see how you could have him that high. But if you don’t buy him as being able to get enough separation because his stiffness and athleticism limits how fluid and functional he can be, then there is some real downside because of how poor he is on defense. When he’s not scoring, he can be invisible because he’s not making an impact as a defender, transition driver or passer. There were far too many moments where he was a passenger for Duke. This is a risk/reward pick. The general manager who picks him might end up with the kind of scorer who can get to his spots and shoot over the top because of how special his touch is. Or they might end up with a floor spacing defensive liability. Take your chances.

Imo it comes down to the medicals and whether or not Thibs thinks he can get him to a level where he can hold his own defensively. I'm optimistic on the latter given that defense was a major question mark for both RJ and Toppin coming into the league and both guys have improved a lot better on that end under Thibs.

But, it would be hard for me to trade up for a guy who went to UK and didnt want to play.

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But, it would be hard for me to trade up for a guy who went to UK and didnt want to play.

At least we know the Knicks will have info as good as anyone's on that situation

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Giving Brunson $25M-$30M a year?

I’m not. During his great playoff run, he did a terrific job shooting and creating for himself. But he didn’t do a whole lot of creating for anyone else. The Knicks need both, especially for that amount of money.

happens, I am absolutely sick of hearing about Kyrie Irving and the Nets.

In comment 15738643 DanMetroMan said:

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"Sharpe is 6-6 with a 6-11 wingspan and can really shoot; watching him work out on the floor before Kentucky’s NCAA Tournament game, I found it pretty clear he’ll be a viable NBA floor spacer from Day 1. He’s also athletic enough that he was ranked as the top prospect in the Class of 2023 before reclassifying. How many guys like that, who also had elite shooting ability, have failed? Yes, there are questions about his feel and other, secondary lines of inquiry given that nobody has seen him play top-drawer competition. If he were a center or point guard, I’d have him several places lower. But a 6-6 wing who can shoot? Even if he “fails” in terms of achieving stardom, that still becomes a decent value proposition." So yeah, I'd give up the Mavs pick to move up to land Sharpe. Go down swinging.

"Watching him work out on the floor before Kentucky's tournament game, I became convinced...." I mean, cmon.

The dude has sky high potential. But the floor is a dude who doesn't give a shit. For me, the upside is all star, the downside is guy who gets passed from team to team trying to light a fire in his ass. If the Knicks moved up to get him, I guess it's based on conviction they don't need to worry about his desire to play but I am skeptical.

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In comment 15738645 Heisenberg said: Quote: But, it would be hard for me to trade up for a guy who went to UK and didnt want to play. At least we know the Knicks will have info as good as anyone's on that situation

That is true. This Knicks FO is as plugged into that situation as any team.

The price to move up isn’t “bad” then shooting your shot on upside is exactly what the Knicks should be doing. Potential needle movers.

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In comment 15738638 Reeses Pieces said: Quote: Giving Brunson $25M-$30M a year? I’m not. During his great playoff run, he did a terrific job shooting and creating for himself. But he didn’t do a whole lot of creating for anyone else. The Knicks need both, especially for that amount of money.

+2. The risk is that the Knicks will overpay for Brunson or Ivey in order to try and escape their terminal mediocrity. That's what bad and desperate teams do.

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The price to move up isn’t “bad” then shooting your shot on upside is exactly what the Knicks should be doing. Potential needle movers.

100%. Especially if the cost is just the dallas 1

i mean on paper this draft isnt good. Every player from #1 on has pretty big questions. I see very few "sure things". ANd then of course once you get out of the top 3-5 the questions get even louder. Thats why i think you could move up to 7-8 for a pretty low cost. Obviously im guessing here, but i dont think the knicks are paying a big price to go up and get Sharpe. I have no problem with them trying to hit a HR, its why i liked the Porzingis pick at the time. We need difference makers, not a guy with a good floor who can be the 4th or 5th best starter on a solid team. Yes those guys have value and would be better then a guy like Knox, but again, trying to hit a HR is fine with me.

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In comment 15738655 DanMetroMan said: Quote: The price to move up isn’t “bad” then shooting your shot on upside is exactly what the Knicks should be doing. Potential needle movers. 100%. Especially if the cost is just the dallas 1

Yup. Wouldn’t do anything crazy for a “maybe” but the Dallas pick? Yup. That’s a very fair price to land a guy who “every” prognosticator agrees has all-star upside and “all” admit if he reaches his ceiling his spot in the draft will be fair lower than it should have been. Do it up.

is the big unknown in the lottery. He has a potentially very high ceiling. Unfortunately, he also potentially has a very low floor. But because there are far fewer players on the roster than in other sports, success in basketball is more dependent on superstars. So you have to be more willing to take chances, including by moving up for someone like Sharpe.

In comment 15738633 Earl the goat said:

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Keep building the youth Draft Jalen Duran at 11 Sign Brunson Trade burkes Noel Kemba Whatever it takes to rid this team of Randle Sign Mitch? Sign and trade Mitch ? Let him go ? If they sign Brunson I feel Mitch then becomes a very good player. He just hasn’t had a true point guard

No one wants Noel or Kemba and it will take serious assets to move them. Burks might be able to be moved with less. But OKC is the only team with cap space currently and a only a few teams with space when the season flips over. It won't be easy to get off those contracts.

But man its time for this front office to be aggressive. If they think Ivey or even Sharpe is their guy, do what it takes to move up to get him.

There are no untouchables across this entire roster. It's time to take a big swing... I just highly doubt Leon Rose does it.

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Giving Brunson $25M-$30M a year?

Hell yes. The guy is a culture changer. Out with the toxic crap that has poisoned so many Knick teams (Randle being the poster child for this current team). In with Brunson, a tough, smart leader who would be perfect to captain this young team going forward

In comment 15738636 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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You guys are taking media scouting reports WAY too far. Absurdly too far.

I daresay I watch more ACC ball than anyone who posts here, and I read very little NBA media of any kind. My comment is based entirely on my own observation.

deals will not take "serious" assets. It will take some asset, second rounders, heavy protected firsts, etc... Im not saying i want to trade those assets to move Noel/Kemba but the cost to move them wouldnt be horrible. Personally im not in the camp of wanting to trade a couple seconds or a heavy protected first just to move Noel/Walker just to be able to offer Brunson 25+ mill a year. I dont not like Brunson i just have a lot of qeustions.

depends on how much you buy into intangibles. He's a very good player, not a great player. Is his leadership worth paying him like a great player? I wish I knew the answer to that.

like trading lightly protected firsts or grimes or something to clear the space then i wont be upset about Brunson. Ill sure as shit be nervous we are locked into a middle of the pack PG for 4/100. But hopefully he comes here and kills it! That said i really cant see a team starved for talent around Luka willing to let him walk for nothing. And if they offer the 5th year i cant see him walking away from that.

In comment 15738669 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15738636 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: You guys are taking media scouting reports WAY too far. Absurdly too far. I daresay I watch more ACC ball than anyone who posts here, and I read very little NBA media of any kind. My comment is based entirely on my own observation.

Forgive me if I’m skeptical because you’re so steadfastly against drafting a guy who shot 50/47/73 in ACC play as a freshman.

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like trading lightly protected firsts or grimes or something to clear the space then i wont be upset about Brunson. Ill sure as shit be nervous we are locked into a middle of the pack PG for 4/100. But hopefully he comes here and kills it! That said i really cant see a team starved for talent around Luka willing to let him walk for nothing. And if they offer the 5th year i cant see him walking away from that.

I hate to bring up the CAA conspiracies, but I'm starting to wonder if Leon is just stoking these Brunson flames so his family friend can squeeze a couple of extra million per year out of Mark Cuban.

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like trading lightly protected firsts or grimes or something to clear the space then i wont be upset about Brunson. Ill sure as shit be nervous we are locked into a middle of the pack PG for 4/100. But hopefully he comes here and kills it! That said i really cant see a team starved for talent around Luka willing to let him walk for nothing. And if they offer the 5th year i cant see him walking away from that.

I agree he may or may not want to leave.

But Luka's presence may be a reason he has for leaving. Meaning, he may say to himself, with Luka's greatness I'll always be an off ball, secondary player whereas with NYK playing for a head coach he knows well and an assistant coach he knows even better (his dad), he may want to come to a team where he gets the responsibility of running a team.

In comment 15738680 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 15738669 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 15738636 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: You guys are taking media scouting reports WAY too far. Absurdly too far. I daresay I watch more ACC ball than anyone who posts here, and I read very little NBA media of any kind. My comment is based entirely on my own observation. Forgive me if I’m skeptical because you’re so steadfastly against drafting a guy who shot 50/47/73 in ACC play as a freshman.

Griffin is the best shooter in this draft, that's not really in debate.

His physique and length are elite. His age is a plus.

The concerns are his athleticism (particularly lateral quickness) and shot creation.

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In comment 15738675 Italianju said: Quote: like trading lightly protected firsts or grimes or something to clear the space then i wont be upset about Brunson. Ill sure as shit be nervous we are locked into a middle of the pack PG for 4/100. But hopefully he comes here and kills it! That said i really cant see a team starved for talent around Luka willing to let him walk for nothing. And if they offer the 5th year i cant see him walking away from that. I agree he may or may not want to leave. But Luka's presence may be a reason he has for leaving. Meaning, he may say to himself, with Luka's greatness I'll always be an off ball, secondary player whereas with NYK playing for a head coach he knows well and an assistant coach he knows even better (his dad), he may want to come to a team where he gets the responsibility of running a team.

Sure, you never know how badly these guys want to try to be "the guy". But it hasnt really sounded like he is looking to leave. But i mean, i dont know shit, ha

Reminds me of kevin knox, there is no fire and no effort. I don’t want to wait for years for Jon to develop to just become a stash in the corner 3 point shooter who we eventually trade

But that's literally all he does. He's 100% dependent on being left open for jumpers, doesn't create anything for himself, and is an appallingly bad defender.

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deals will not take "serious" assets. It will take some asset, second rounders, heavy protected firsts, etc... Im not saying i want to trade those assets to move Noel/Kemba but the cost to move them wouldnt be horrible. Personally im not in the camp of wanting to trade a couple seconds or a heavy protected first just to move Noel/Walker just to be able to offer Brunson 25+ mill a year. I dont not like Brunson i just have a lot of qeustions.

I think Burks could be probably moved with a 2nd round pick. I dont think any team is touching Noel and Kemba without a first attached or one of the good young players. And yes a that is a serious asset.

But this is the cost of the poor cap management and planning. I would be all in on Brunson but not having cap space and very few teams to absorb contracts makes this very tricky.

so he's not just a catch and shoot if wide open guy

i know it sounds like a lot, but this year they were the 142nd and 157th highest paid players in the NBA making below the MLE. They also are only signed for this upcoming year. It will not take a first to move them unless its a heavily protected first, and honestly i bet you could trade both to a team using just one highly protected first.

who checked out on the team years ago.

Just wanted to say I gotta admire the enthusiasm of those BBIers who still follow the team!

and that's nobody wants Randle. I get his contract isn't that bad, but there are no rumors of teams being interested. I'd move him if he has any positive value(he probably doesn't), but even if he's net neutral(salary dump), I think I'd rather keep him to start the season.

Randle's value is at it's lowest, IMO. He works really hard in the offseason and I think he motivates his teammates to work hard too, in the offseason. I think we would be better off hoping he comes back motivated as he seems to do better as the underdog rather than when there are high expectations. Let him build up some positive value and then trade him.

and asked if he thought Ivey would be a Knick by the end of the day? he said yes

But, you don't need Brunson to be Chris Paul. You need him to be 2020 derrick rose that can stay healthy.

20-21 rose was 15 PPG / 5 Assists, attack the rim and hit your free throws, and be a reliable 3PT shooter.

Brunson was that last year, though I don't know how good a defender he is.

I see how it might work. It's going to be an overpay if it happens, but free agents deals are overpays.

interest in Coby White? The Bulls are apparently interested in trading him and the 18th pick.

JAGS on it. Hopefully, Rose recognizes that. This is NOT a winning roster, management has to realize that. Similar to the Giants, upgrading the talent level on the team- regardless of position, is job #1!

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so he's not just a catch and shoot if wide open guy

On how many attempts?

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and asked if he thought Ivey would be a Knick by the end of the day? he said yes

From his lips to God's ear.

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JAGS on it. Hopefully, Rose recognizes that. This is NOT a winning roster, management has to realize that. Similar to the Giants, upgrading the talent level on the team- regardless of position, is job #1!

This is about as obvious as it gets. Everyone knows that we lack top end talent, but the question has always been how to get that talent. We've seemed to have drafted better in years past, but we have terrible luck and no star wants to come here....yet.

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But that's literally all he does. He's 100% dependent on being left open for jumpers, doesn't create anything for himself, and is an appallingly bad defender.

I was listening to the Athletic pod guys break down Griffin yesterday and that was the thing that stuck out to me. They were really really down on his defensive potential.

They highlighted that he had an insanely low usage rate, but shined with limited opportunities on offense.

I know they are looking hard there. Remember a month ago I was told the standard list but also Hardy. I really feel (if a trade down) that’s a player with a huge upside and potential bust pick they were going to roll dice with. I’ll take Ivey though. Things are so quiet. Everyone who knows anything were told any leaks will be investigated and termination will occur because of insubordination. That’s how serious things are so I expect something to occur unless it blows up at last minute either a trade up or trade involving players.

Let’s look at the other players likely to be available in this area. I’m a huge Jeremy Sochan fan, but am I supposed to trust the people who couldn’t figure out how to play Obi to get Sochan on the floor? Am I supposed to believe that Thibs is progressive enough to do something like playing Sochan at the 5? I like Tari Eason a lot. While I don’t trust Thibs to make it fit, I’d have no problem with him. I’m not interested in Johnny Davis or Agbaji, although both are better fits than most of the players likely to be available when/if the Knicks select. I’m not remotely interested in a center.

I can’t imagine someone talking to him.

they are so adament about no leaks. I mean im sure most teams try to do that, but that seems aggressive. Hopefully that means something is on the table.

Problems with this team isn’t defense or our bench. In my opinion (can be argued) is out starting 5 are not knock down shooters (even though percentage says otherwise) and are near the bottom athletically. Positions 1-5 in aggregate. We need to address both these needs before we are able to make a run.

That'd be nice.

and hitting on Mitch in the 2nd round really makes me feel like you can find a value big in the second if you want. I think in terms of positional value, look for a wing player in the first and then just snag an athletic guy in the second.

Or bring back Mitch. I'd be fine with that too.

I feel like you need to draft guys that have elite talent. I know nothing about him, but Griffin has elite shooting ability. I'm ok drafting a guy like that and hope other aspects develop. He's also got good size.

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In comment 15738695 Strahan91 said: Quote: so he's not just a catch and shoot if wide open guy On how many attempts?

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And I’m not blowing smoke up his ass. But some of the things that the poster AR…. Says is pretty accurate of what is being discussed. I’m just letting you guys know (that without knowing him or her) personally I think they could be dialed in. I’ll go on record saying that. I also said (awhile back) I know someone at the agency that’s dialed in and someone in the finance part of the Knicks. That’s where my intel comes from. Not the day to day but if it gets serious where they start calculating numbers that’s when I know.

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I feel like you need to draft guys that have elite talent. I know nothing about him, but Griffin has elite shooting ability. I'm ok drafting a guy like that and hope other aspects develop. He's also got good size.

I somewhat feel the same way. Find the guy that has an elite skill at something and built off that.

I'm not saying Griffin is elite, because it looks like a limited sample size.

Who knows. But if you can knock down shots, there's a place for you in the NBA. Joe Harris is only on the court to knock down 3s, for example.

Report: Cavs have had conversations with Spurs on trade for Dejounte Murray

getting someone decent to start at point and moving Randle to free up Obi would get me excited enough to watch next season.

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getting someone decent to start at point and moving Randle to free up Obi would get me excited enough to watch next season.

Sadly... easier said than done. The FA market pretty much sucks. Hollinger ranks Ricky Rubio and Delon Wright the two best PG's after Irving and Brunson.

Leon Rose Sam still works at CAA. He has not tweeted since 5/22. 4 of his last 5 tweets though were about Jalen Brunson. (To squeeze more $ maybe) Knicks maybe we will see.

don't want Greg to murder me but Tyus Jones is probably the most interesting non-Brunson option.

Son (Sam)

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don't want Greg to murder me but Tyus Jones is probably the most interesting non-Brunson option.

They're gonna sign Jones and draft Griffin just to torture me.

As if being a Knicks fan wasn't torture enough, they're gonna turn the Knicks into the New York Dookies to boot.

Speculation would be they have a deal in place for 4 if Ivey is there and they dont want it out there

Played well widen Ja was out. Can he do it as lead guard? We can find better options I believe.

Like Ty Ty are not athletic enough for me. We need a hell of a lot more athletes.

to be clear, I'm talking strictly about the FA market. I'd rank Jones 3rd after Irving and Brunson, it's a BAD group.

As betting sites say, watch Presti take Smith at #2. Ivey will then go to Houston in my opinion (No PG there) and things will be fucked up.

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Let’s look at the other players likely to be available in this area. I’m a huge Jeremy Sochan fan, but am I supposed to trust the people who couldn’t figure out how to play Obi to get Sochan on the floor? Am I supposed to believe that Thibs is progressive enough to do something like playing Sochan at the 5? I like Tari Eason a lot. While I don’t trust Thibs to make it fit, I’d have no problem with him. I’m not interested in Johnny Davis or Agbaji, although both are better fits than most of the players likely to be available when/if the Knicks select. I’m not remotely interested in a center.

Perhaps I am wrong about Sochan but I see a guy who is an ordinary athlete with subpar skills. His intangibles are his strength. But I think he caps out at a bench guy who provides a nice shot in the arm energy wise.


Whereas, I see Eason as having real (plus) physical ability.

Do you disagree on the Sochan assessment?

have moved back to heavy on Jabari Smith.

But Johnny Davis at 6.5????? I’d throw a few $$$$!! On the over there. That’s a no brainer if I ever seen one.

Smith now says "I'd be surprised if I don't go #1" (he's a very humble kid, so this sounds like this is what he's hearing and not being braggadocios)

The Magic did well drafting Franz Wagner last year. They are about to take an L this year.

1.Trade Randle anywhere e.g. to Indy for Brogden; include Dallas 2023 1st and Cam Reddish as incentive. Cap savings = 6mm.

2. Trade Noel and Burks to Sacto for a heavily protected 2nd (basically, a ham sandwich). Both modest and expiring deals and useful players for Sacto and if including good prospect and Euro-Stash Roku Jokubaitas as incentive is necessary, then so be it. Cap savings = 19mm.

3. Draft Tari Eason

4. Sign Jalen Brunson

5. MLE to Mo Bamba or Mitch Robinson

Roster then looks like this:

PG: Brunson, IQ, Rose

SG: Brogden, Grimes

SF: RJB, Fournier

PF: Obi, Eason

C: Mo or Mitch, Sims

That's a smart, hard working, young team with .500 record upside and no onerous contracts.

First, I am actually surprised there is so much debate about who the top pick is going to be this year. I think Smith is a no brainer - he is one of the rare guys that when you watch the college game, he just stands out as far and away a class above the other guys on the court. I didn't feel that way about Holmgren or Banchero at all, don't think they are in the same class.


On Ivey, I don't think anything happens until Sacramento is on the clock. You can't make the deal if you are the Knicks until you know Ivey is still available unless you are just as comfortable settling for Banchero or Holmgren if Ivey some how goes top 3.

In terms of compensation, they should be willing to offer 11, a top 4 protected next year, and either Toppin or Quickley. It would be a bummer to give up either of those guys, and would be great if it could be Grimes, but if we are stuck with Randle then you'd might as well move Toppin while his value is still relatively high. Ivey removes the sting of losing IQ in the backcourt, especially if the plan is to pursue Brunson.

Buy low, sell high. See if he can build his value back up. Terrible asset management and something that has been a driving force behind our failures in the past 20 years. Signing faux stars and then jettisoning them by attaching assets to them has gotten us in so much trouble. Only for that player to add value to their new team.

We need to figure out how to make Randle an asset that teams want.

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Buy low, sell high. See if he can build his value back up. Terrible asset management and something that has been a driving force behind our failures in the past 20 years. Signing faux stars and then jettisoning them by attaching assets to them has gotten us in so much trouble. Only for that player to add value to their new team. We need to figure out how to make Randle an asset that teams want.

Everything you say here is true in general, except in this case Randle is poisoning the team and blocking the development of Obi and to an extent, RJB. This team just cannot endure another season like what he did to destroy it last year. There are just too many good young players whose future depends on a good culture and Randle's presence ensures a toxic culture.

However...

1. He works very hard on his craft(in the offseason). He took Sims under his wing and getting him into better shape.

2. He seems to do better as an underdog rather than when there are high expectations on him.


I think the smart move is to hope he comes back in 2020 form or close to it and then trade him.

suggests Detroit could potentially now offer Brunson a max sheet (Bridges and Ayton also mentioned)

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suggests Detroit could potentially now offer Brunson a max sheet (Bridges and Ayton also mentioned)

That's what I thought when they opened up that cap space. I haven't watched much of the Pistons, but wonder how well Brunson and Cade would play together.

to get Donovan Mitchell? He’s the one guy I want. I’m not necessarily interested in Super Teams, but I’d love for solid players to start gravitating towards the Knicks. I player like Mitchell may have enough influence to start pulling players to MSG and make us contenders again.

but nothing ever happens. I'd be shocked if they don't stay put and pick up a guy.

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The Magic did well drafting Franz Wagner last year. They are about to take an L this year.

Nope. Banchero is soft as a feather.

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to get Donovan Mitchell? He’s the one guy I want. I’m not necessarily interested in Super Teams, but I’d love for solid players to start gravitating towards the Knicks. I player like Mitchell may have enough influence to start pulling players to MSG and make us contenders again.

1) Danny Ainge is notorious for asking for the moon in trades and not making trades if he doesn't get exactly what he wants.
2) Mitchell is under contract to Utah for a while.
3) Unless something changed, Mitchell hasn't asked for a trade so there's absolutely nothing pressuring Utah to deal him.

Knicks would have to throw a godfather offer out there and even then there's no reason for Utah to do it.

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to get Donovan Mitchell? He’s the one guy I want. I’m not necessarily interested in Super Teams, but I’d love for solid players to start gravitating towards the Knicks. I player like Mitchell may have enough influence to start pulling players to MSG and make us contenders again.

No chance really, so many other teams with more assets to offer.

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In comment 15738800 Keaton028 said: Quote: to get Donovan Mitchell? He’s the one guy I want. I’m not necessarily interested in Super Teams, but I’d love for solid players to start gravitating towards the Knicks. I player like Mitchell may have enough influence to start pulling players to MSG and make us contenders again. 1) Danny Ainge is notorious for asking for the moon in trades and not making trades if he doesn't get exactly what he wants. 2) Mitchell is under contract to Utah for a while. 3) Unless something changed, Mitchell hasn't asked for a trade so there's absolutely nothing pressuring Utah to deal him. Knicks would have to throw a godfather offer out there and even then there's no reason for Utah to do it.

Aw ok gotcha. I’ve read about Mitchell being linked to the Knicks before. Seems this idea is an extreme long shot though. Thanks.

Donovan Mitchell.

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Brunson can play with anyone. Smart, tough and selfless player.

one thing. If he can't shoot, don't take him. No more defense first guys who can't hit an open jumper if their life depended on it. Have people not watched the NBA over the last decade? Have they not seen the Warriors?

And then get rid of Randle any way you can. He slows down the offense on a team whose best players can run with anyone. Not to mention his pouting affects others.

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Donovan Mitchell.

It doesn’t feel like we have much of a farm to give up anyway.

with that cap space.

is an important piece to the Warriors.

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is an important piece to the Warriors.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not but obviously:

Green's usefulness on a team that doesn't have Steph/Klay is greatly reduced

Knicks don't have anything resembling Steph/Klay

Draymond is an intelligent player who passes and defends with great acumen and energy. Randle is a highly inefficient player who plays with bad emotion that further worsens his efficiency.

who said you can't draft anyone in the NBA who can't shoot and then pointed to the Warriors. There are plenty of useful players in the NBA who can't shoot. Obviously you need guys who can shoot, but thats not all the NBA is.

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Perhaps I am wrong about Sochan but I see a guy who is an ordinary athlete with subpar skills. His intangibles are his strength. But I think he caps out at a bench guy who provides a nice shot in the arm energy wise. Whereas, I see Eason as having real (plus) physical ability. Do you disagree on the Sochan assessment?

Sochan reminds me a lot of Al Horford, but younger coming into the league and with more upside handling the ball. While his 3 point numbers were poor, he’s got a good looking shot.

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who said you can't draft anyone in the NBA who can't shoot and then pointed to the Warriors. There are plenty of useful players in the NBA who can't shoot. Obviously you need guys who can shoot, but thats not all the NBA is.

I didn't say no team in the NBA should draft anyone who can't shoot. I said the Knicks shouldn't draft anyone who can't shoot, based on their roster. They have two guys on their roster who have shown they can be a threat from behind the arc - Quickley and Grimes, and Quickley has proven to be very hot and cold. No opposing team fears either of them. If you trade Randle, the Knicks will have Barrett (not great from the 3), Toppin (not great from the 3), Robinson or Sims (insert laughter), Fournier (more hot and cold than Quickley), and an unnamed point guard.

So, if you can get a guy who can consistently shoot better than 40 percent from the arc, that's the most important ingredient this team needs. Hopefully it would come from a point guard, but those guys are incredibly rare. So in my mind you either take the best point guard available at 11 (which will likely be a reach and someone with limited shooting range) or you take the absolute best shooter on the board.

I'd like them to have shooters too, but they need everything. Nobody and nothing should be off limits if they have an elite talent.

They are not on the cusp of being a contender.

Adding complementary players like Brunson on a huge contract would be really dumb--or business as usual at MSG.

It's interesting that Knicks fans condemn management for making these type of short-sighted moves and then clamor for their own versions of them.

Knicks need to keep their young core together and continue to build through the draft until they have enough talent where adding a guy like Brunson can put them over the top. Otherwise they are doomed to remain stuck in this cycle of mediocrity.

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In comment 15738747 NYG22 said: Quote: Perhaps I am wrong about Sochan but I see a guy who is an ordinary athlete with subpar skills. His intangibles are his strength. But I think he caps out at a bench guy who provides a nice shot in the arm energy wise. Whereas, I see Eason as having real (plus) physical ability. Do you disagree on the Sochan assessment? Sochan reminds me a lot of Al Horford, but younger coming into the league and with more upside handling the ball. While his 3 point numbers were poor, he’s got a good looking shot.

Interesting

on high upside guys (and I support that idea), these are those guys tonight:

Jaden Ivey (obvious)
Jalen Duren
Shaedon Sharpe
Tari Eason

Note: Ousmane Dieng to me is Nic Batum (not a high upside guy to me)

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They are not on the cusp of being a contender. Adding complementary players like Brunson on a huge contract would be really dumb--or business as usual at MSG. It's interesting that Knicks fans condemn management for making these type of short-sighted moves and then clamor for their own versions of them. Knicks need to keep their young core together and continue to build through the draft until they have enough talent where adding a guy like Brunson can put them over the top. Otherwise they are doomed to remain stuck in this cycle of mediocrity.

The counter to this is that picking 9-15 will probably never have their roster at this point you speak of. What they lack is difference-making talent, which is the hardest thing to find. Without an all star they are indeed doomed to hover around 40 wins.

The availability hasn't lined up to where they can trade for or draft that type of player, but no GM in the NBA has an eternally long leash to wait it out.

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Jaden Ivey (obvious) Jalen Duren Shaedon Sharpe Tari Eason

Jaden Hardy, mentioned above by Carl, would be a nice upside swing too.

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Good addition. Kinda reminds me of Cam Thomas (picked by Nets last year).

(like the Knicks) are looking for PG help and apparently have looked into Monte Morris, he'd make a nice target for the Knicks

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In comment 15738879 Vanzetti said: Quote: They are not on the cusp of being a contender. Adding complementary players like Brunson on a huge contract would be really dumb--or business as usual at MSG. It's interesting that Knicks fans condemn management for making these type of short-sighted moves and then clamor for their own versions of them. Knicks need to keep their young core together and continue to build through the draft until they have enough talent where adding a guy like Brunson can put them over the top. Otherwise they are doomed to remain stuck in this cycle of mediocrity. The counter to this is that picking 9-15 will probably never have their roster at this point you speak of. What they lack is difference-making talent, which is the hardest thing to find. Without an all star they are indeed doomed to hover around 40 wins. The availability hasn't lined up to where they can trade for or draft that type of player, but no GM in the NBA has an eternally long leash to wait it out.

Steph Curry was drafted 7
Klay Thompson drafted 11
D. Mitchell drafted 13

Knicks need to put more emphasis on the draft and stop looking for the quick fix.

Brunson won 50 games playing alongside Doncic and Porzingas. What is he going to win playing alongside Randle and RJ?

Looking at him with the expectation anywhere close to what he became. He was an undersized stick figure shooter who didn't defend.

Klay Thompson and Donovan Mitchell, you can have a discussion what the actual ceiling would be if they were the best player on a team and if that's enough to lead a team anywhere.

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Looking at him with the expectation anywhere close to what he became. He was an undersized stick figure shooter who didn't defend. Klay Thompson and Donovan Mitchell, you can have a discussion what the actual ceiling would be if they were the best player on a team and if that's enough to lead a team anywhere.

No, DeMar Derozan was picked 9th. Curry was picked 7th. We picked Jordan Hill 8th.

Morris career 48/39/83% shooter, 13, 4 and 3 this season. 14.7 PER/ .116 WS/48, don't know why he would be available or the cost but seems like a clear upgrade if he is.

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In comment 15738757 Reeses Pieces said: Quote: The Magic did well drafting Franz Wagner last year. They are about to take an L this year. Nope. Banchero is soft as a feather.

The opposite

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In comment 15738885 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 15738879 Vanzetti said: Quote: They are not on the cusp of being a contender. Adding complementary players like Brunson on a huge contract would be really dumb--or business as usual at MSG. It's interesting that Knicks fans condemn management for making these type of short-sighted moves and then clamor for their own versions of them. Knicks need to keep their young core together and continue to build through the draft until they have enough talent where adding a guy like Brunson can put them over the top. Otherwise they are doomed to remain stuck in this cycle of mediocrity. The counter to this is that picking 9-15 will probably never have their roster at this point you speak of. What they lack is difference-making talent, which is the hardest thing to find. Without an all star they are indeed doomed to hover around 40 wins. The availability hasn't lined up to where they can trade for or draft that type of player, but no GM in the NBA has an eternally long leash to wait it out. Steph Curry was drafted 7 Klay Thompson drafted 11 D. Mitchell drafted 13 Knicks need to put more emphasis on the draft and stop looking for the quick fix. Brunson won 50 games playing alongside Doncic and Porzingas. What is he going to win playing alongside Randle and RJ?

That's not the reason for getting him. The reason is that when you have a primary ball handler that is ill-equipped skill wise to do that job, emotionally unstable, inefficient (and any other description that fits Julius Randle), you ensure stunted development for all of the many young players on the roster including RJB and especially Obi. If they can somehow rid themselves of the Randle poison and get a lead guard that they haven't had in decades (in his prime, smart, competitive/tough, efficient) the whole roster benefits.

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Morris career 48/39/83% shooter, 13, 4 and 3 this season. 14.7 PER/ .116 WS/48, don't know why he would be available or the cost but seems like a clear upgrade if he is.

Great rec - really good player.

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The opposite

Lolwut? Are you seriously trying to suggest that Banchero is a tough player? You're nuts if you are.

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I’ve seen Paolo play in person since he was 15, and the league agrees.

What are you hearing about tonight? Any updates?

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They’re all in on trying to get Ivey or Sharpe but if they stay it’ll be Duren or Griffin

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Just because there’s a lot of interest league-wide in Monte Morris does not mean the #Nuggets are moving him. Source told me this morning it’s “highly unlikely” he’s getting traded tonight.

Because Jayden Gardner, who is much smaller than him, pushed him around up and down the court. And Gardner isn't really a great defender, either. Banchero doesn't play with fire in his belly.

If you've been watching him play in person then it sounds more as if you have a personal affection or interest in him. He's massively talented and could be a great sidekick for a real star, but he'll never be a lead dog in the league.

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In comment 15738947 Anakim said: Quote: What are you hearing about tonight? Any updates? They’re all in on trying to get Ivey or Sharpe but if they stay it’ll be Duren or Griffin

Oh, interesting. First I'm hearing of the Knicks being interested in Sharpe. Great news. Don't like Griffin that much, but I'm a fan of the former three players.

Gave you some props before. Now I’ll hear shit for this but here it goes. Knicks have 3 financial guys figuring stuff out. All I know is they are working on only one thing so far today. I know nothing other than that. Not multiple stuff (not saying they won’t) but as of 2pm that is the case. I know it sounds like a tease and if I hear more I’ll let you know but that’s all I got. If you all don’t want to hear it I won’t post just trying to help.

I am interested but will admit I don't follow what you said at all haha

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Gave you some props before. Now I’ll hear shit for this but here it goes. Knicks have 3 financial guys figuring stuff out. All I know is they are working on only one thing so far today. I know nothing other than that. Not multiple stuff (not saying they won’t) but as of 2pm that is the case. I know it sounds like a tease and if I hear more I’ll let you know but that’s all I got. If you all don’t want to hear it I won’t post just trying to help.

Post it, please! Haha, I want to hear what that one thing is!

To acquire Sexton (then represented by CAA). He changed this year to Klutch. (Paul). Thibs doesn’t like him too small says they already have IQ who is similar. That being said the injury is behind him and his value has never been lower. Kind of small for me. Not sure if anything there but they really wanted him last year.

World is going on? I just hope this damn team improves for once. Last year in the offseason it seemed like we didn’t improve and that proved to be true.

Guys something is close.

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Guys something is close.

Thanks for the info, by financial guys you mean the cap guys?

Hopefully something goes our way tonight.

Knicks focused on creating cap space for Brunson

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To acquire Sexton (then represented by CAA). He changed this year to Klutch. (Paul). Thibs doesn’t like him too small says they already have IQ who is similar. That being said the injury is behind him and his value has never been lower. Kind of small for me. Not sure if anything there but they really wanted him last year.

What would be the trade price for Sexton?

I caution everyone to relax your expectations.

Dallas can offer more being the hometown team and probably will. I believe I have that right. The Knicks can throw the max at Brunson and still lose that battle.

and didn't properly budget for his free agency this summer, that is just laughable management.

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Sounds like a smokescreen

is Knicks stay at 11 and keep their pick. Small chance they trade down. I just dont see them parting with what it would take to move up or acquire an established star. If as expected they stay at 11, AJ Griffin or Johnny Davis would be the pick

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I caution everyone to relax your expectations. Dallas can offer more being the hometown team and probably will. I believe I have that right. The Knicks can throw the max at Brunson and still lose that battle.

I think it’s incredibly unlikely that Dallas maxes Brunson. They just want the Knicks (and others) to believe that they would. If the Knicks clear cap space for Brunson I bet they know there’s a good shot he’s taking it. This isn’t another Durant situation, his dad works for the team.

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and didn't properly budget for his free agency this summer, that is just laughable management.

The Knicks were supposed to gear last offseason toward being able to sign Jalen Brunson this offseason? Calling that laughable seems... excessive.

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I heard him say as of now he thinks they’ll stick at 4 but didn’t say it definitively unless this was elsewhere and something changed just now.

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and didn't properly budget for his free agency this summer, that is just laughable management.

Even if they have a max slot, I'm still pretty sure the team that drafted you has the ability to offer you a higher max contract than other teams, is what I mean. Not really a question of budgeting from the Knicks POV.

Between NYS or NJ taxes and that, the odds may be against the Knicks.

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In comment 15739013 nygiants16 said: Quote: Knicks focused on creating cap space for Brunson I heard him say as of now he thinks they’ll stick at 4 but didn’t say it definitively unless this was elsewhere and something changed just now.

i just read a tweet didnt hear it

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Gave you some props before. Now I’ll hear shit for this but here it goes. Knicks have 3 financial guys figuring stuff out. All I know is they are working on only one thing so far today. I know nothing other than that. Not multiple stuff (not saying they won’t) but as of 2pm that is the case. I know it sounds like a tease and if I hear more I’ll let you know but that’s all I got. If you all don’t want to hear it I won’t post just trying to help.

Probably trying to figure how how they can bring back Riley.

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and didn't properly budget for his free agency this summer, that is just laughable management.

How do you budget for a moving target? A couple of months ago, Brunson could not command the $$$ being discussed now.

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The Knicks were supposed to gear last offseason toward being able to sign Jalen Brunson this offseason? Calling that laughable seems... excessive.

If they were signing good players last summer, I'd live with it. But giving Kemba a second guaranteed year? Who were they bidding against? Seems like they could've mapped this out a little better.

I’m going to be ornery if tonight doesn’t go well lol.

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Gave you some props before. Now I’ll hear shit for this but here it goes. Knicks have 3 financial guys figuring stuff out. All I know is they are working on only one thing so far today. I know nothing other than that. Not multiple stuff (not saying they won’t) but as of 2pm that is the case. I know it sounds like a tease and if I hear more I’ll let you know but that’s all I got. If you all don’t want to hear it I won’t post just trying to help.

Just post it. I'm pretty sure Woj isn't looking at New York Giants message boards for Knicks tidbits.

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I’m going to be ornery if tonight doesn’t go well lol.

You have one hell of a fuse. I'm so beaten down by Knicks drafts I can't muster the energy to emote either way.

I assume the thought process last year was that this year's FA class is pretty lackluster, so they could afford to go two years on many of the FA, hopefully improve the team, and still retain their flexibility for 2023's class, while having expiring contracts to use in a potential trade.

This year's FA class is pretty bad, except the one guy who intrigued them as a trade target, could not be dealt for, and exploded in the post season making him a bit more expensive than previously thought.

The mentality of last summer wasn't awful, just as with everything Knicks, it blew up in their face.

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In comment 15738971 Carl in CT said: Quote: Gave you some props before. Now I’ll hear shit for this but here it goes. Knicks have 3 financial guys figuring stuff out. All I know is they are working on only one thing so far today. I know nothing other than that. Not multiple stuff (not saying they won’t) but as of 2pm that is the case. I know it sounds like a tease and if I hear more I’ll let you know but that’s all I got. If you all don’t want to hear it I won’t post just trying to help. Post it, please! Haha, I want to hear what that one thing is!

If you don't post more shit I will have to work. I don't want to work and i'm caught up anyway so please...save me from myself.

is to simply not have a "lolknicks" moment.

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They seem to be operating under this mindset for the last 5 years or so. Don't want to label Rose and CO just yet but they seem hesitant to overpay, which can be both good and bad.

It's only an overpay if the guy you get isn't any good. I can't think of a single instance in sports history where the team that acquires the great legendary player gave up too much.

Vikings gave up too much for Hershel Walker but if Walker played in Minny for 5 years and put up 10000 all purpose yards while helping them win 5 straight Central titles? No one would be saying they gave up too much.

If the KNicks think the player is great, fucking do it already. If they sit back and wait for the perfect steal they will all be gone in 2 years or sooner.

How happy would y'all be?

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I don't believe Knicks flotsam lands them Brogdon, injuries or not.

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I think in the moment I would be a bit disappointed, but depending on what other moves come this summer it may not be the worst outcome.

Brogdon, when healthy, is clearly a better player than Burks and a starting caliber point guard. If Fournier is included in the deal, then drafting Griffin makes sense. Based on the small sample size of Duke games I have watched, and scouting reports I have read, he pretty much can come in and fill the role that Fournier did this past season. By that I mean, primarily a 4th option, high % 3 point shooter that can stretch the floor and play crappy defense. At $18 mil per year or whatever Fournier makes, that player is a bit underwhelming, but for a late lottery pick on a rookie deal it is a solid role player.

Looks like downward not upward to get rid of some salary.

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Looks like downward not upward to get rid of some salary.

If they aren't able to make a deal with the Kings, I am hoping that after the fact there are leaks as to what each side was offering. Curious to hear how far apart they actually are.

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Looks like downward not upward to get rid of some salary.

Amusing. The vet contracts that were defended on the grounds they could be dealt for picks will instead cost draft position.

and im not going to kill them for it. Moving up to 4 never seemed realistic to me. Its a huge jump inside the lottery. And it doesnt sound like there are vets worth trading 11 for. Sure maybe you move back, but what are you really getting to move from 11 to 18? Cant imagine you get a bunch of assets in that move, not in this draft.

I think trading up a few spots for sharpe is our best outcome tonight. But more likely its staying at 11 and taking Griffin, who im indifferent to. Although reading this thread has def soured me on Griffin, lol.

He is kevin knox 2.0 and maybe worse on defense. Take the chance on sochan or even Duran. 15 years ago Duran would be the first pick lol

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Mike Singer @msinger · 1h Just because there’s a lot of interest league-wide in Monte Morris does not mean the #Nuggets are moving him. Source told me this morning it’s “highly unlikely” he’s getting traded tonight.

Harrison Wind
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Prospects that I'm told are in play for Denver at 21: Tari Eason (if he slides), MarJon Beauchamp, Dalen Terry, Blake Wesley. Also, the Monte Morris trade talk is very real, but only if it ends with the Nuggets upgrading their roster. Calvin Booth will be aggressive today.

In comment 15739065 adamg said:

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How happy would y'all be?

What is “and co”????

says no, Morris and 21 for Noel and 11?

In comment 15739098 GMEN46 said:

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He is kevin knox 2.0 and maybe worse on defense. Take the chance on sochan or even Duran. 15 years ago Duran would be the first pick lol

That is a horrendous comparison. Knox shot 34% from 3 at UK.

In comment 15739017 bceagle05 said:

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and didn't properly budget for his free agency this summer, that is just laughable management.

That's exactly what happened. I understand hindsight is 2020 and they wanted to bring back a successful team but man was last offseason a mess...Rose has just completely mismanaged the enormous cap space he was gifted and failed to plan on Brunson...Hopefully he can still find a way to land him.

Do you guys think the 11th pick, dallas 2023 pick, IQ and another protected 1st gets the Kings to move back? Too much in your view?

writer just told me some teams have Eason top 7-8 and others have him late first, maybe that's normal but that's quite the gap

Shams Charania
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Sources: Kevin Durant is monitoring the Brooklyn Nets’ situation and considering options with his future.

This now opens the path for Kyrie Irving to proceed on finding a new home via opt-in and trade.

In comment 15739103 DanMetroMan said:

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says no, Morris and 21 for Noel and 11?

Where do I sign?

In comment 15739110 DanMetroMan said:

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Shams Charania @ShamsCharania · 22s Sources: Kevin Durant is monitoring the Brooklyn Nets’ situation and considering options with his future. This now opens the path for Kyrie Irving to proceed on finding a new home via opt-in and trade.

Randle and the Dallas pick for Durant? Lol

Shams Charania
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Sources: Kevin Durant is monitoring the Brooklyn Nets’ situation and considering options with his future.

This now opens the path for Kyrie Irving to proceed on finding a new home via opt-in and trade.

Adrian Wojnarowski
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ESPN Sources: If Kyrie Irving can’t reach an agreement to stay with Brooklyn, he has a list of teams he’d like them to consider on sign-and-trades, including Lakers, Clippers, Knicks, Heat, Mavs and 76ers. None of those teams have cap space to sign him without Nets’ help.

Adrian Wojnarowski
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ESPN Sources: If Kyrie Irving can’t reach an agreement to stay with Brooklyn, he has a list of teams he’d like them to consider on sign-and-trades, including Lakers, Clippers, Knicks, Heat, Mavs and 76ers. None of those teams have cap space to sign him without Nets’ help.

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In comment 15739103 DanMetroMan said: Quote: says no, Morris and 21 for Noel and 11? Where do I sign?

Seems pretty fair to me tbh

Why is Denver trying (or willing) to move him? To my eyes he's a good player who has good chemistry with Jokic

In comment 15739115 Strahan91 said:

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Shams Charania @ShamsCharania · 2m Sources: Kevin Durant is monitoring the Brooklyn Nets’ situation and considering options with his future. This now opens the path for Kyrie Irving to proceed on finding a new home via opt-in and trade.

But I thought these guys were gonna own the basketball scene in NYC for 5 years? Bummer...

In comment 15739075 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15739065 adamg said: Quote: How happy would y'all be? I don't believe Knicks flotsam lands them Brogdon, injuries or not.

I don't know. At this point, after you see what Grant was traded for, I don't know what Indiana could functionally hope for Brogdon. He's injured a lot and signed for 3 more seasons.

If Indiana is looking to get off salary and maybe they don't like the fit with Haliburton, they could figure it's addition by subtraction.

In comment 15739119 Strahan91 said:

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Why is Denver trying (or willing) to move him? To my eyes he's a good player who has good chemistry with Jokic

His numbers aren’t bad in the postseason, but he just doesn’t seem to make much of a difference. He doesn’t move the needle that much. Brunson had more of an effect on winning in the postseason than Morris ever has.

I wouldn’t do that trade.

in the next few years that they could conceivably include with their junk for Brogdon

In comment 15739119 Strahan91 said:

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Why is Denver trying (or willing) to move him? To my eyes he's a good player who has good chemistry with Jokic

Murray is back so Morris will be a backup for them, probably trying to sell "high", though he's been consistently solid his entire career.

In comment 15739125 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 15739119 Strahan91 said: Quote: Why is Denver trying (or willing) to move him? To my eyes he's a good player who has good chemistry with Jokic His numbers aren’t bad in the postseason, but he just doesn’t seem to make much of a difference. He doesn’t move the needle that much. Brunson had more of an effect on winning in the postseason than Morris ever has. I wouldn’t do that trade.

Huge difference in cost though. Brunson is going to likely cost assets to move salary and then a contract in the $25M (maybe more) range

In comment 15739125 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 15739119 Strahan91 said: Quote: Why is Denver trying (or willing) to move him? To my eyes he's a good player who has good chemistry with Jokic His numbers aren’t bad in the postseason, but he just doesn’t seem to make much of a difference. He doesn’t move the needle that much. Brunson had more of an effect on winning in the postseason than Morris ever has. I wouldn’t do that trade.

I mean.. yeah and? Brunson is going to get 20-25 million per season and maybe even a max contract, Morris is making Alec Burks money the next 2, I'd hope Brunson had more of an effect...

Morris is legit making Burks/Noel money and half of what Fournier is making in 2023, I'd hope Brunson has more of an impact lol

What a disaster this could turn out to be.

averaged 14 3 and 5 on 49/42/75% shooting in the series they lost to the champs (GSW)

Brunson (obviously a better player) averaged 18, 5 and 5 on 46//41/68% shooting in THEIR loss to GSW

In comment 15739106 TyreeHelmet said:

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That's exactly what happened. I understand hindsight is 2020 and they wanted to bring back a successful team but man was last offseason a mess...Rose has just completely mismanaged the enormous cap space he was gifted and failed to plan on Brunson...Hopefully he can still find a way to land him.

They also had a trade fall apart at the trade deadline that would've sent Burks/Reddish out for Goran Dragic's expiring contract - that would've helped, too. Reportedly it fell apart because the Knicks wanted an extra second rounder or something.

Anyway, I digress. This front office has a lot to prove. In the meantime I'll enjoy the Nets crashing and burning, even though Marks will rebuild another contender while we spin our wheels.

I sporta respect the fact that he sticks to his beliefs nobody what the pressure is, but he's def the type of guy that isn't playing for money. I can absolutely see him going to a team for less money just to prove a point.

on that list desperate enough to even think about Kyrie. DAL would have to be nuts to bring him in with Luka, Riley is too smart, PHI isnt dying to reunite him with Harden im sure, Clippers are better off hoping they get a healthy Kawhi/PG combo and dont need that headache. Then you have the Knicks and Lakers, lol.

says Kyrie has already spoken to Lebron about joining the Lakers

I am good.

does have interest in Kyrie.

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says Kyrie has already spoken to Lebron about joining the Lakers

What would a Lakers package even look like

the minute Kyrie drops 30 and the Knicks win we'd all be in love with him, weirdness and all.


The mask crap isn't going to be as big an issue one would hope. He's not necessarily injury prone.

I can think of bigger risks, including doing nothing.

and I agree with you djm.

it all depends on the contractual obligation. I'm not giving Kyrie 4 years and 150M.

he believes the world is flat.

I don't care if the Knicks trade for him, I'm never rooting for him.

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he believes the world is flat. I don't care if the Knicks trade for him, I'm never rooting for him.

If a guy helps my team win he can believe the moon is made of spare ribs for all I care.

In comment 15739185 JB_in_DC said:

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In comment 15739181 Jan in DC said: Quote: he believes the world is flat. I don't care if the Knicks trade for him, I'm never rooting for him. If a guy helps my team win he can believe the moon is made of spare ribs for all I care.

lol seriously

Overpaid, injury-prone, a headcase and a distraction

Sam Quinn
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Imagine telling Nets fans one year ago that there would be a very real possibility of them entering the 2022-23 season with Ben Simmons as the face of the franchise.

if it is going to happen, its going to have to happen this week if it is an opt in and trade...He is not going to opt in without a deal

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if it is going to happen, its going to have to happen this week if it is an opt in and trade...He is not going to opt in without a deal

They're not dealing him either. It's all just media stuff. They'll offer him the max for 2 years, or however long Durant's contract goes for and he'll take it.

In comment 15739133 DanMetroMan said:

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I mean.. yeah and? Brunson is going to get 20-25 million per season and maybe even a max contract, Morris is making Alec Burks money the next 2, I'd hope Brunson had more of an effect...

Would you trade down ten picks in the first round for Alec Burks? I wouldn’t. Morris is better than what they have, but that’s the lowest of bars. More importantly though, I like the people they can get at 11.

In comment 15739192 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 15739133 DanMetroMan said: Quote: I mean.. yeah and? Brunson is going to get 20-25 million per season and maybe even a max contract, Morris is making Alec Burks money the next 2, I'd hope Brunson had more of an effect... Would you trade down ten picks in the first round for Alec Burks? I wouldn’t. Morris is better than what they have, but that’s the lowest of bars. More importantly though, I like the people they can get at 11.

I don't view Alec Burks as a PG, but a PG Alec Burks who was 5 years younger (Morris is 26, Burks is 31 next month) and 21 for 11? Yeah I would. This team needs a PG badly and dropping back 10 picks isn't a huge price to pay.

to be in space jam 3 and Russ will opt out so they can sign Kyrie.

Honestly the lakers dont work unless Kyrie takes the MLE. They have 3 guys making 125 mill and then THT and some others. They literally cant make the salaries match unless the Nets or some other team is taking Russ. And the lakers dont have the assets to get a team to take Russ. They cant trade a first until 2026. They would have to give me like 2026, 2028, 2030, 2032 firsts all unprotected to take Russ.

of Burks, if I were Denver I'd prefer him to a rookie (21st pick), though they may think Hyland can add anything Burks can.

To get rid of Fournier.

(Unless a surprise is there) it’s Griffin and it came directly from Sam. Read my previous posts.

thinks they should ante up and pay the price for Ivey

Percent.

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In comment 15739202 DanMetroMan said:

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thinks they should ante up and pay the price for Ivey

Without knowing what that price is, I agree. Whether it's Ivey or something else, they need to push some chips to the center of the table and take a big swing that can change the franchise's trajectory. I don't anticipate that happening though.

And Ivey is it.
Go all in

I have to verify but I don’t want persons name on it and I don’t know how to do that myself.

In comment 15739201 Carl in CT said:

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(Unless a surprise is there) it’s Griffin and it came directly from Sam. Read my previous posts.

Please not be true. I do not want Griffin

In comment 15739190 Jan in DC said:

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They're not dealing him either. It's all just media stuff. They'll offer him the max for 2 years, or however long Durant's contract goes for and he'll take it.

I dunno, Woj and Shams generally don't start chiming in until it gets real.

A horrible pick. I can’t deal with another mistake, I may cancel my season tickets. There is no upside with him. He doesn’t play hard you can’t teach that. He doesn’t have the it factor, when I said kevin know 2.0 that is what I meant I was referring to shooting percentage from 3. He will sit in the corner and make some 3’s and not play and defense. Thibs is never going to play him.

Please tell your source whoever it is, that every Knicks fan in the world can see that would be a horrible pick

Go high upside and swing for the fences or trade the pick then take Griffin

if they took creaky knees from Puke.

believing they should go big makes me feel like maybe he's hearing something...

In comment 15739222 DanMetroMan said:

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believing they should go big makes me feel like maybe he's hearing something...

I listened to that show he did earlier today The Putback. From that I didn't get the sense he thought they were going to move up. Seemed to indicate that they thought the price was too high unless Sharpe is there a few picks before 11 then maybe the cost wouldn't be prohibitive.

be pretty happy if the "big" move was moving up to grab Sharpe

In comment 15739222 DanMetroMan said:

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believing they should go big makes me feel like maybe he's hearing something...

Especially since he took the stance that they didnt have enough to move up all week

time baby!
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be pretty happy if the "big" move was moving up to grab Sharpe

As would I. They would at least be taking a swing. This franchise has not moved the needle and lacks star talent. Scared money don't make money.

thing to say about Sharpe, he's had some "funny" quotes but on the court he rarely shows emotion, doesn't talk much trash (not that it means anything) but he's not the showboat type you'd think given his dunks/rep

In comment 15739225 DanMetroMan said:

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be pretty happy if the "big" move was moving up to grab Sharpe

Agreed. Ivey or Sharpe would look nice in a Knicks uniform

Dane Moore
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I've been saying for the past month that I've heard it is over a 50% chance that D'Angelo Russell is traded this offseason.

Conversations with a few non-Timberwolves sources today suggest a Russell trade is now even more likely -- either tonight or the first week of July.

just for the sake of doing it is not a sound philosophy. If they have a belief in the player, great, do it.

but selfishly as an idiot fan, times like this I wish an owner would be a little less patient.

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just for the sake of doing it is not a sound philosophy. If they have a belief in the player, great, do it.

This is a weird post. Wouldn’t you think that if they make a big move it’s because they believe in the player? I know it’s the Knicks, but do you honestly think they’d make a big move for a player nobody believed in? And what would be you’re criteria for knowing if they truly believed in the player or not?

In comment 15739237 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15739235 Mike from SI said: Quote: just for the sake of doing it is not a sound philosophy. If they have a belief in the player, great, do it. This is a weird post. Wouldn’t you think that if they make a big move it’s because they believe in the player? I know it’s the Knicks, but do you honestly think they’d make a big move for a player nobody believed in? And what would be you’re criteria for knowing if they truly believed in the player or not?

Multiple posters basically said they wanted the Knicks to make a move simply because it's a big swing. If I misunderstood or mischaracterized their posts, my bad.

In comment 15739235 Mike from SI said:

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just for the sake of doing it is not a sound philosophy. If they have a belief in the player, great, do it.

The point is this front office has been very patient and overly cautious which is not paying off. They draft assets are dwindling down and it's year 3 of the front office it's time to take some chances and go big.

In comment 15739240 Mike from SI said:

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In comment 15739237 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 15739235 Mike from SI said: Quote: just for the sake of doing it is not a sound philosophy. If they have a belief in the player, great, do it. This is a weird post. Wouldn’t you think that if they make a big move it’s because they believe in the player? I know it’s the Knicks, but do you honestly think they’d make a big move for a player nobody believed in? And what would be you’re criteria for knowing if they truly believed in the player or not? Multiple posters basically said they wanted the Knicks to make a move simply because it's a big swing. If I misunderstood or mischaracterized their posts, my bad.

I think what posters are saying is you cant go into next season with the same squad...Rose and company have not put their stamp on this roster, no one wants them to blow it up for a scrub..It is just time to be agressive

Email me at kerlacher@aol.com and I’ll respond and they can verify

Info. I’ll trust you guys.

Waiting to hear back on Ivey

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Email me at kerlacher@aol.com and I’ll respond and they can verify

Carl's not bullshitting. Let's see if his scoop proves to be true (I hope it doesn't, though :P)

Respond to Anakim.

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Hahaha.

thats ominous

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thats ominous

Yeah it would be underwhelming

Carl in CT. I believe you.

Please get us Ivey.

In comment 15739247 Carl in CT said:

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Email me at kerlacher@aol.com and I’ll respond and they can verify

Is your source hiring? ;)

What the front office has been doing.
It will be frustrating as hell eventually push the chips to the middle boys

I might have to break out the funnel early tonight. These posts sound ominous.

?

If we trade the fucking 11th pick for Brodgan...OMG. I might call out from work tomorrow I'll be STILL fuming.

so I’m just preparing myself for the worst haha

AJ is there (with no surprises he is our pick) I sent sources and asked about Ivey but haven’t heard back.

It’s wrong. It not made up as I showed where it came from and I will apologize.

In comment 15739185 JB_in_DC said:

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In comment 15739181 Jan in DC said: Quote: he believes the world is flat. I don't care if the Knicks trade for him, I'm never rooting for him. If a guy helps my team win he can believe the moon is made of spare ribs for all I care.

Even if he's a cancer on the team as he has been during his career? Ask the Celtics if they would take him back for free.

In comment 15739276 Carl in CT said:

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It’s wrong. It not made up as I showed where it came from and I will apologize.

No need for apologies things are fluid and it made for good banter
(I am also rooting for you to be wrong)

David Aldridge
@davidaldridgedc

As of five minutes ago, there was nothing imminent cooking with the Wizards on the move-up-to-four front. The asking price has been too prohibitive for them, as it’s been for other teams looking to acquire Sacramento’s pick.

Only an idiot would argue otherwise. But he's a complete loon who has burned bridges everywhere he's been, is liable to go off the deep end at a moment's notice, & has played 70 plus games in a season THREE times in his career.

obviously.

& if not, they stay @ 4 & take Ivey?

Fournier. They play the same role (3 and no D), except Griffin at least has upside to develop due to his age. I’d be good with the pick as long as it means other wings are on their way out.

Is their pick they are actually more clueless than I thought.

AJ Griffin, Johnny Davis, Jalen Duren. I would take Duren over the other two easily.

Not gonna pretend I know these guys backwards and forwards, but come on a spot up shooter who can't play a lick of D and has bad knees already? Yay!

Because there is concern there

Ultimate decision maker on this team?

He is Porter Jr. 2.0 in terms of medicals. I wouldn't touch him @ all.

scoop?

Can anyone post?

but there are concerns there

Part of me says they should take Ochai Agbaji or a point guard.

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He is Porter Jr. 2.0 in terms of medicals. I wouldn't touch him @ all.

The Knicks would be much better off if they'd taken Porter over Knox. Porter for the last couple of years had a lot of value as an asset as teams liked his star potential

would be a bad pick? That’s silly.

The more I'm intrigued if he's there @ 11. That's 50-50 in all likelihood.

Murray too.

In comment 15739307 ghost718 said:

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but there are concerns there Part of me says they should take Ochai Agbaji or a point guard.

Agbaji has such a low ceiling though

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Oh, no argument here. Porter Jr.-when on the court-is a stud, but he's had what, 2 or 3 back surgeries? That doesn't speak well for his long term future.

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Agbaji has such a low ceiling though

What's a low ceiling in today's NBA,he's like a sharp shooting JR Smith

In comment 15739302 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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He is Porter Jr. 2.0 in terms of medicals. I wouldn't touch him @ all.

Were his injuries serious, or more nagging? How many games did he miss at Duke?

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In comment 15739302 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: He is Porter Jr. 2.0 in terms of medicals. I wouldn't touch him @ all. Were his injuries serious, or more nagging? How many games did he miss at Duke?

He didn’t miss any games, although they had to ramp his minutes up from the start of the season. In that way, he’s not similar to Porter Jr at all (who played just 50 minutes of college basketball).

Just know it is been ankle & knee injuries. I'm sure some teams have him off their boards.

Dieng?

In comment 15739319 steve in ky said:

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In comment 15739302 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: He is Porter Jr. 2.0 in terms of medicals. I wouldn't touch him @ all. Were his injuries serious, or more nagging? How many games did he miss at Duke?

Afaik he had knee surgery going into his freshman year at Duke. Aside from that he had mostly non-serious injuries but missed time. Porter Jr. had back surgery and needed a second one going into the draft. There's injury risk but I don't think it's on the same level as Porter (or Dejuan Blair for a throwback reference)

In comment 15739319 steve in ky said:

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In comment 15739302 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: He is Porter Jr. 2.0 in terms of medicals. I wouldn't touch him @ all. Were his injuries serious, or more nagging? How many games did he miss at Duke?

Griffin suffered a dislocated knee on a non-contact play his senior year of HS and was out the rest of the season. Then he sprained his other knee at Duke in October practice before the start of the season.

The dislocated knee sounds like the injury that Grimes suffered this season, also on a non-contact play, just from planting the knee.

Grimes missed 16 of the last 22 games with his knee issues.

a little hyperbole. I'm just always leery of lower body injuries.

but no one is gonna post it?

I hope if they take him his talent warrants the risk of using the 11th on him.

Apparently it isn't a good scoop, Haha.

in HS said that he looked less explosive/athletic than he was in high school. You hope that was just because he had just had knee surgery and he'll regain it in which case he could be a steal but there's obviously the risk that he's never the same athletically. That's up to the team's doctors to decide based on his medicals but at least if that's the case, he's still the best shooter in the draft.

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but no one is gonna post it?

Carl posted it. It was that if the Knicks stay at 11, Griffin is the pick

Would be awful, this can’t be the pick, I would rather trade back, Griffin is going to be a monster bust.

So they probably know everything about this kid.

The Kings accept my trade offer of Randle & #11 for Sabonis & #4?

Adrian Wojnarowski
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The Magic have kept their final decision tight, but Banchero has emerged as a significant possibility to be drafted No. 1 overall, sources said.

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So they probably know everything about this kid.

Local kid too. Grew up in Westchester

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Would be awful, this can’t be the pick, I would rather trade back, Griffin is going to be a monster bust.

There’s no rational explanation for a take like this.

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn · 50s The Magic have kept their final decision tight, but Banchero has emerged as a significant possibility to be drafted No. 1 overall, sources said.

Pretty funny actually, given that Woj dug in on Jabari against the Banchero sharp money move and sent the odds back the other way.

Watch the tape on griffin

Now -200 to go 1st

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The Kings accept my trade offer of Randle & #11 for Sabonis & #4?

LOL....come on now. You're going to like AJ Griffin. He's a Kentucky Wildcat and Calipari wouldn't steer us wrong.

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In comment 15739348 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: The Kings accept my trade offer of Randle & #11 for Sabonis & #4? LOL....come on now. You're going to like AJ Griffin. He's a Kentucky Wildcat and Calipari wouldn't steer us wrong.

Griffin played at Duke...

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Ultimate decision maker on this team?

It's Rose, but Rose in my view, and with no supporting insider info, tends to lean Thibs way on things.

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Now -200 to go 1st

Woj probably put his bet in much earlier

20’s

Magic would be idiots to take Paolo first overall.

Fast forward the clock to 2025 & he's First Team All NBA. Haha.

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Picks 11 and 42

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going 1st overall.

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Next year and the following they have 6 total

quiet so far...

Streams

dress? JFC. Adam, we just want the picks.

address.

In comment 15739384 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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dress? JFC. Adam, we just want the picks.

yeah shut the hell up already Adam

Double draft I believe . We did something right

draft started at 8:06. The NFL should take notice.

Paolo to Orlando here.

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Looks like downward not upward to get rid of some salary.

Trade back and get 13 and 15?

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Double draft I believe . We did something right

High schoolers won’t be in 2023 draft, probably 2025 at the earliest

1. Wonder if Ivey sneaks his way into the top 3

Double draft I believe . We did something right

since we won the Ewing lottery.

Fill that funnel up.

Paolo.

lol

Chet goes to OKC here.

Wearing that outfit

me talking about my daughter as a soccer player. Totally unbiased, rational...Haha.

Thanks ESPN. Rolling eyes.

Coach Kaput.

Smith Jr. to Houston. My guesses on next two picks. Apparently Presti loves Chet.

suit.
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Him & Poku weighing a combined 110 pounds.

Walking stilts man

I Don’t think I can handle AJ griffin as our pick

is a stick.

Looks like Fred Stoller

Dropping to 3 is crazy.
Going to make Orlando and OKC look foolish

Ivey. Fuck.

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Ivey. Fuck.

Nothing ever works out for the Knicks…business was usual

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In comment 15739415 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Ivey. Fuck. Nothing ever works out for the Knicks…business was usual

As usual

Jake Fischer
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Sacramento remains in active trade conversations regarding the No. 4 pick, sources said.

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Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer · 26s Sacramento remains in active trade conversations regarding the No. 4 pick, sources said.

C'mon Leon!

Now the intrigue begins. LFG.

skinnier than Adam Silver.

But Ivey still on the board

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But Ivey still on the board

Official?

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I assume taking Murray

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Being the Kings

need to knock out a deal with Detroit right now, lets go Rose

Kings going Murray.

James Edwards III
@JLEdwardsIII
Sources: The Pistons are eying Jaden Ivey with the fifth pick.

Trying to get to 5.

5.

Kings gonna King.

In comment 15739434 Strahan91 said:

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James Edwards III @JLEdwardsIII Sources: The Pistons are eying Jaden Ivey with the fifth pick.

FML.

In comment 15739434 Strahan91 said:

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James Edwards III @JLEdwardsIII Sources: The Pistons are eying Jaden Ivey with the fifth pick.

And the annual draft disappointment comes to fruition for this franchise…

Is tough being a Knicks fan. I don’t even completely blame this FO. You can’t just make bad deals because the good deals don’t present themselves but it’s tough

But Sacto makes a lot of weird decisions.

for a trade later? I mean we find out trades typically after they are drafted anyway. So there's hope although slim.

We are going to stand pat and draft Griffin. This tea, is so predictable.

Grab your freakin balls, Rose. Conservative ass mofo.

With Detroit after the pick? Like once they see who Knicks have available at 11?

Decided they wanted Murray more than the offers on the table for 4, which probably ends up being a bad decision no chance we would get Ivey. Pistons weren’t trading it if Ivy fell

At this point, give me Sochan.

In comment 15739444 BigBlueShock said:

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We are going to stand pat and draft Griffin. This tea, is so predictable. Grab your freakin balls, Rose. Conservative ass mofo.

They would and will do that. This guy Rose is a punk

In comment 15739445 moze1021 said:

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With Detroit after the pick? Like once they see who Knicks have available at 11?

I’d lean toward no. Pistons are intrigued by the Combo of him and Cade. Nothings out of the question but don’t get your hopes up

who will take Sharpe.

. Sharpe dream still alive for us for now

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Of course. FUCK!

In comment 15739450 AcidTest said:

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who will take Sharpe.

There was some buzz around NOP and also OKC wanting to trade back up in the first to take him.

In comment 15739439 The_Boss said:

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In comment 15739434 Strahan91 said: Quote: James Edwards III @JLEdwardsIII Sources: The Pistons are eying Jaden Ivey with the fifth pick. And the annual draft disappointment comes to fruition for this franchise…

Picking at 11 and you're disappointed the Knicks didn't get one of the top three players? That's not disappointment it's delusion.

Must be nice to have a qualified person running your basketball operation.

In comment 15739456 bceagle05 said:

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Must be nice to have a qualified person running your basketball operation.

Are we talking about the Pistons lol

Can’t we be disappointed. There were certainly rumors and potential for it to happen. Hence the disappointment. This team has been able to add some solid , young talent but still can’t land the big fish. It’s disappointing

In comment 15739455 k2tampa said:

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In comment 15739439 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 15739434 Strahan91 said: Quote: James Edwards III @JLEdwardsIII Sources: The Pistons are eying Jaden Ivey with the fifth pick. And the annual draft disappointment comes to fruition for this franchise… Picking at 11 and you're disappointed the Knicks didn't get one of the top three players? That's not disappointment it's delusion.

There were reports all week how he was actually “gettable” for the Knicks. So, yeah, disappointment. As usual.

In comment 15739459 The_Boss said:

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There were reports all week how he was actually “gettable” for the Knicks. So, yeah, disappointment. As usual.

That's not really true. Most reports said the price was too outrageous

Jake Fischer
@JakeLFischer
Sources: The Knicks are still in pursuit of acquiring Jaden Ivey, sources said, even after Detroit selected the Purdue combo guard.

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Jake Fischer
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Sources: The Knicks are still in pursuit of acquiring Jaden Ivey, sources said, even after Detroit selected the Purdue combo guard.

In comment 15739458 g56blue10 said:

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Can’t we be disappointed. There were certainly rumors and potential for it to happen. Hence the disappointment. This team has been able to add some solid , young talent but still can’t land the big fish. It’s disappointing

You are not allowed to be disappointed, you must just take shit every year and show no emotion

Knicks are going to be active and overall there would be lots of trades. Rose is afraid to do anything

In comment 15739461 nygiants16 said:

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Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer Sources: The Knicks are still in pursuit of acquiring Jaden Ivey, sources said, even after Detroit selected the Purdue combo guard.

How reliable is this guy

In comment 15739459 The_Boss said:

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In comment 15739455 k2tampa said: Quote: In comment 15739439 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 15739434 Strahan91 said: Quote: James Edwards III @JLEdwardsIII Sources: The Pistons are eying Jaden Ivey with the fifth pick. And the annual draft disappointment comes to fruition for this franchise… Picking at 11 and you're disappointed the Knicks didn't get one of the top three players? That's not disappointment it's delusion. There were reports all week how he was actually “gettable” for the Knicks. So, yeah, disappointment. As usual.

There were?

In comment 15739465 TommyWiseau said:

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In comment 15739461 nygiants16 said: Quote: Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer Sources: The Knicks are still in pursuit of acquiring Jaden Ivey, sources said, even after Detroit selected the Purdue combo guard. How reliable is this guy

Very. He's "new" but 100% legit

Awesome!

In comment 15739457 ajr2456 said:

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Are we talking about the Pistons lol

Yeah, Troy Weaver actually has a basketball background - Presti protege, etc.

but he also didn't say the Pistons have any interest

confirming

Ian Begley
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Opposing teams say NYK remains active in trying to make a trade to obtain Jaden Ivey, who was drafted by Detroit.

Knicks are gonna make this painful aren't they

In comment 15739469 bceagle05 said:

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In comment 15739457 ajr2456 said: Quote: Are we talking about the Pistons lol Yeah, Troy Weaver actually has a basketball background - Presti protege, etc.

The Pistons have gotten the #1 and #5 pick in back to back years. More luck so far than good basketball management

In comment 15739459 The_Boss said:

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In comment 15739455 k2tampa said: Quote: In comment 15739439 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 15739434 Strahan91 said: Quote: James Edwards III @JLEdwardsIII Sources: The Pistons are eying Jaden Ivey with the fifth pick. And the annual draft disappointment comes to fruition for this franchise… Picking at 11 and you're disappointed the Knicks didn't get one of the top three players? That's not disappointment it's delusion. There were reports all week how he was actually “gettable” for the Knicks. So, yeah, disappointment. As usual.

And those same reports said the asking price was through the roof. The odds of it happening, to anyone who was realistic, were very slim.

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but he also didn't say the Pistons have any interest

Fair point. I was really just supporting he's a legit guy. I trust what he says.

Kudos to the Pistons (5) and Pacers (6) picking Ivey and Mathurin respectively. Sharpe still being on the board stands out now.

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Ivey was always a pipe dream. So is Sharpe probably.

I badly want a wing who's a high flyer and can shoot and break people down. Who's likely to be that guy?

to Portland ugh

that Detroit was interested in Duren so if Knicks take Duren that could be for Detroit

Ivey to us?

Steve Popper
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Hearing that yes, Knicks are still talking with Detroit about the Ivey selection - a deal could be made if Duren is available at 11 and they do a package with that pick.

. Book it

In comment 15739473 ajr2456 said:

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The Pistons have gotten the #1 and #5 pick in back to back years. More luck so far than good basketball management

They made an organizational decision to clear the dead weight vets (Drummond/Griffin/Rose/Kennard), tank, and create cap flexibility. Now they’re in a good spot. I’ll happily eat crow if they send us Ivey tonight.

desperate for a player never works.

In comment 15739481 nygiants16 said:

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that Detroit was interested in Duren so if Knicks take Duren that could be for Detroit

What else would they want? A future 1?

In comment 15739488 The_Boss said:

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In comment 15739481 nygiants16 said: Quote: that Detroit was interested in Duren so if Knicks take Duren that could be for Detroit What else would they want? A future 1?

It's gonna be far more costly than just another 1

In comment 15739485 Strahan91 said:

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. Book it

😆😆

In comment 15739486 bceagle05 said:

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In comment 15739473 ajr2456 said: Quote: The Pistons have gotten the #1 and #5 pick in back to back years. More luck so far than good basketball management They made an organizational decision to clear the dead weight vets (Drummond/Griffin/Rose/Kennard), tank, and create cap flexibility. Now they’re in a good spot. I’ll happily eat crow if they send us Ivey tonight.

We’ve seen the Knicks do that too and not end up with the #1 pick.

AGAIN about more rumors. They can try all they want but have done absolutely nothing to give their fan base any confidence they know what they are doing.

In comment 15739485 Strahan91 said:

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. Book it

Ok that was spit your coffee out funny 😂🤣

In comment 15739485 Strahan91 said:

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. Book it

absolutely

In comment 15739488 The_Boss said:

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In comment 15739481 nygiants16 said: Quote: that Detroit was interested in Duren so if Knicks take Duren that could be for Detroit What else would they want? A future 1?

Probably Cam, 11, dallas 23rd..more

Please

if Duren gets to 11 the deal is done

are people going to feel if the Knicks trade RJB or Obi as part of a package for Ivey?

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. Book it

Well played. Pat Riley will trade up for him.

Steve Popper
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Hearing that yes, Knicks are still talking with Detroit about the Ivey selection - a deal could be made if Duren is available at 11 and they do a package with that pick.

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are people going to feel if the Knicks trade RJB or Obi as part of a package for Ivey?

Obi I could stomach.
RJB? I’d be legit upset.

In comment 15739499 AcidTest said:

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are people going to feel if the Knicks trade RJB or Obi as part of a package for Ivey?

ugh

In comment 15739499 AcidTest said:

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are people going to feel if the Knicks trade RJB or Obi as part of a package for Ivey?

They are not moving RJ but I am good with them trading OBi, Quickley, Grimes Etc.
They don't have the potential the Ivey brings even RJ doesn't have that potential

Is my number 1 draft pick.

Wowza!

In comment 15739500 bceagle05 said:

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In comment 15739485 Strahan91 said: Quote: . Book it Well played. Pat Riley will trade up for him.

Would be a double victory for that weasel.

Ivey?

the next 10 minutes....

In comment 15739507 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Ivey?

Now some reporters who i have never heard of but got blue checkmarks say no

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the next 10 minutes....

Spurs have been rumored to want Duren.

keeping Ivey. FML.

In comment 15739507 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Ivey?

This is the Knicks we’re talking about.

staying in Detroit per James Edwards

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keeping Ivey. FML.

And there you go. Another NYK dream dashed…

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staying in Detroit per James Edwards

loll

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kinda fun while it lasted. I'll take my yearly kicks to the balls now.

comes Griffin fellas!!

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In comment 15739485 Strahan91 said:

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. Book it

LOL

In comment 15739519 Giantfootball025 said:

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kinda fun while it lasted. I'll take my yearly kicks to the balls now.

That’ll be when Brunson re-ups with Dallas

if Duren is at 11 there could be a deal and then all of sudden nope no deal

James Edwards III
@JLEdwardsIII
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It would take a crazy offer for something to happen. Expect Ivey to be a Piston.

James Edwards III
@JLEdwardsIII
It would take a crazy offer for something to happen. Expect Ivey to be a Piston.

Another bullshit Knicks rumor. Ivey joins a long list.

Still waiting for this front office to make an impactful personnel move. But atleast they have cam reddish and a bunch of 2nd round picks.

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In comment 15739524 nygiants16 said:

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if Duren is at 11 there could be a deal and then all of sudden nope no deal

Just edging the New York fan base.

Is impossible to listen too.
Horrible broadcast

In comment 15739524 nygiants16 said:

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if Duren is at 11 there could be a deal and then all of sudden nope no deal

Posted before Was never going to happen. Once Kings went Murray pistons were all in on Cade and Ivey

In comment 15739525 nygiants16 said:

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James Edwards III @JLEdwardsIII · 1m It would take a crazy offer for something to happen. Expect Ivey to be a Piston.

I think it’s more everybody loves fucking with the Knicks and their fans…like when LeBron announced Miami down the street from the Knicks practice facility..

In comment 15739526 DanMetroMan said:

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James Edwards III @JLEdwardsIII It would take a crazy offer for something to happen. Expect Ivey to be a Piston.

So there's a chance?

In comment 15739527 TyreeHelmet said:

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Another bullshit Knicks rumor. Ivey joins a long list. Still waiting for this front office to make an impactful personnel move. But atleast they have cam reddish and a bunch of 2nd round picks.

If people are asking for crazy offers what do you expect?

price for Ivey was not surprisingly crazy high, and the Knicks balked, as they should. I know it's disappointing, but it was likely the right decision.

This sucks

In comment 15739527 TyreeHelmet said:

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Another bullshit Knicks rumor. Ivey joins a long list. Still waiting for this front office to make an impactful personnel move. But atleast they have cam reddish and a bunch of 2nd round picks.

Cam Reddish is not a good basketball player. He was a let down at Duke and has not been good in the NBA. Everyone talks about his talent and athleticism but it has never translated onto the court.

in the tri-state

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suggested it would take I would have been ticked off

In comment 15739536 AcidTest said:

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price for Ivey was not surprisingly crazy high, and the Knicks balked, as they should. I know it's disappointing, but it was likely the right decision.

At some point, this franchise needs to do something bold before lesser teams, like Detroit for example, pass them in the East.

surprised there have been no trades?

In comment 15739539 TommyWiseau said:

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In comment 15739527 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Another bullshit Knicks rumor. Ivey joins a long list. Still waiting for this front office to make an impactful personnel move. But atleast they have cam reddish and a bunch of 2nd round picks. Cam Reddish is not a good basketball player. He was a let down at Duke and has not been good in the NBA. Everyone talks about his talent and athleticism but it has never translated onto the court.

I was being sarcastic. I viewed that as a really bad trade from Leon Rose.

Regardless of trade, he is by far best player available

In comment 15739544 AcidTest said:

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surprised there have been no trades?

Does seem like every year there is nonstop talk about trades in the lottery and nothing happens

to the Wiz!

In comment 15739546 GMEN46 said:

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Regardless of trade, he is by far best player available

Makes no sense if they're resigning Mitch

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The league knows how desperate the Knicks are and how many horrible deals Dolan has done and they ask the Knicks for ridiculous prices with nothing to lose. If the Knicks don't pay they keep their player who they would only trade for a crazy price. If they get lucky Dolan takes the horrible deal. Meanwhile the Knicks have a "GM" and he's not allowed to speak publicly. The good news is that the GM job pays really well.

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Regardless of trade, he is by far best player available

That's who I've been hoping for. Great upside.

Didn't see that coming

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Didn't see that coming

Has to be a trade

haha

should be fun.

I know little to nothing about Dieng other then some scouting reports I read. Any insight on this kid?

Headed to OkC

quote Homer Simpson, "I have no idea who that is."

.

Get more than 1 first in change for 11

Goddamned Phil Jackson!!!

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In comment 15739561 DanMetroMan said:

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Headed to OkC

The signature Leon Rose trade down

For Dieng

In comment 15739557 bceagle05 said:

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should be fun.

What did that jet fan say about the team when they took Kenny O over Marino? “The Knicks know something the rest of the league doesn’t”

😆😆

it's SOOOOO expensive for us to trade up EVERY year, and EVERY year we trade down.

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Wow

In comment 15739568 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 15739561 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Headed to OkC The signature Leon Rose trade down

What the hell is going on

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For Dieng

we talking 3 or 4? haha

In comment 15739575 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15739569 ajr2456 said: Quote: For Dieng we talking 3 or 4? haha

Who wants to bet they’re lottery protected?

😆

most of their acquired picks heavily protected?

In comment 15739575 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15739569 ajr2456 said: Quote: For Dieng we talking 3 or 4? haha

I think two and a swap

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Good Lord.

In comment 15739581 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Good Lord.

i am waiting to see how many picks

Adrian Wojnarowski
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The Thunder still have the 12th pick -- it isn't a part of the Knicks trade, per source.

Going to the Knicks

We need fucking players, we can't be punting all the time.

In comment 15739577 TommyWiseau said:
[quote] most of their acquired picks heavily protected? [/quote

Yep, but some of them belong to teams that will definitely make the playoffs in future seasons. So if you’re looking for something that could turn into something, too freakin bad.

maybe.

Sarcasm.
Who know which of the 100 first rounders OKC picks did we get?

but they have a lot of them so who knows

future picks hold more weight than getting a pick in this draft. Maybe they are trying to acquire as much capital as possible to either unload picks with current players or package for a star.

But Leon Rose is known for trading down and getting not great value

Cool.

to rid ourselves of the vets?

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This sucks

Griffin looks pretty good now, eh?

In comment 15739593 Jan in DC said:

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Cool.

Don’t think so. I think we’re going to trade back in.

they'll use one of the picks from OKC to trade Randle.

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to rid ourselves of the vets?

🤣

In comment 15739586 Jim in Hoboken said:

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We need fucking players, we can't be punting all the time.

Getting fucking players because their need is so bad is why they sucked for 20 years.

It’s rarely fun.

Will most definitely be protected - most likely top 10.

Initial thoughts - nothing to get excited over.

Johnny Davis.

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Cool.

And the Knicks got so much accomplished. The team is totally different than what it was 90 minutes ago.

Is they trade back in for TyTy.

More than happy to not have griffin, I didn’t like anyone there

In comment 15739587 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 15739577 TommyWiseau said: [quote] most of their acquired picks heavily protected? [/quote Yep, but some of them belong to teams that will definitely make the playoffs in future seasons. So if you’re looking for something that could turn into something, too freakin bad.

Shrewd GM’ing by Rose on display.

--Paolo Banchero on being drafted by the Magic.

In comment 15739591 Giantfootball025 said:

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future picks hold more weight than getting a pick in this draft. Maybe they are trying to acquire as much capital as possible to either unload picks with current players or package for a star.

Isn't this exactly what was said last year during the draft?

In comment 15739602 GNewGiants said:

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Will most definitely be protected - most likely top 10. Initial thoughts - nothing to get excited over.

If they’re firsts that belong to other teams, most of them are top 18 protected. I looked it up last week.

be time for the Knicks to think about doing something else for a living.

In comment 15739610 jgambrosio said:

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In comment 15739591 Giantfootball025 said: Quote: future picks hold more weight than getting a pick in this draft. Maybe they are trying to acquire as much capital as possible to either unload picks with current players or package for a star. Isn't this exactly what was said last year during the draft?

What they did last year was smart. Grimes showed as much if not more than most guys in the range they were initially picking. They picked up assets and got him anyways.

who watched hours and hours of film on all of these guys.

James Edwards III
@JLEdwardsIII
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Hearing the Knicks are taking one last serious push at the Pistons for Ivey, laced with the picks from the OKC trade that happened at pick 11. Stay tuned.

waiting to see what picks they got before judging

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In comment 15739615 Strahan91 said:

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James Edwards III @JLEdwardsIII · 1m Hearing the Knicks are taking one last serious push at the Pistons for Ivey, laced with the picks from the OKC trade that happened at pick 11. Stay tuned.

jesus fricken christ

A Knick

Which means probably no Ayton

because Woj hasnt announced a pick in awhile

Looks like postionless basketball everyone is over 6'7 and play 2 through 5.

For Cam?

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A Knick

???

In comment 15739621 DanMetroMan said:

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A Knick

Ivey??

multiple reports of Duren getting traded to the Knicks and Woj says he's going to the Pistons...

Is this guy ever going to make an impactful move? How could you possibly have faith in this joke of a front office?

Maybe they’ll use these extra picks to dump the shitty contracts he dished out last summer to then strike out on good players in free agency.

Or when do we hear of the rumor that the Knicks are stockpiling picks for the next superstar trade ( only to burn one on Cam Reddish).

Franchise is a joke. Not sure why I even care so much anymore.

It would scare me that OKC wanted Dieng so badly. By far the best drafter in the league.

This is nuts..

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In comment 15739629 Strahan91 said:

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multiple reports of Duren getting traded to the Knicks and Woj says he's going to the Pistons...

Did the Pistons want more 1st round picks which we acquired from OKC?

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but the return should be better then some heavy protected firsts. We traded 11 for at best 30. Thats a HUGE drop. If we get just a couple heavy protected firsts to drop 20 spots then the benefit of the doubt ive been giving this front office will be gone, lol.

?

Jake Fischer
@JakeLFischer
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To be honest, I don't know where Duren is going. But this sounds like a three-team trade with Detroit and New York and Charlotte

In comment 15739638 widmerseyebrow said:

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?

Seriously. This is torture.

reaction: "We got multiple firsts for #11."

Reality: "They're all top 18 protected."

the Knicks?

In comment 15739642 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:

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the Knicks?

Going from the Knicks TO Detroit

Wearing different hats and being interviewed about wrong teams..

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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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Knicks are trading Kemba Walker to Detroit, sources tell
@TheAthletic

@Stadium
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See new Tweets
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Shams Charania
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Knicks acquired Jalen Duren -- and moved him with Kemba Walker to the Pistons, sources said.

Holy shit!!!

In comment 15739650 Strahan91 said:

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See new Tweets Tweets Shams Charania @ShamsCharania · 21s Knicks acquired Jalen Duren -- and moved him with Kemba Walker to the Pistons, sources said.

is Ivey involved?

picks to DET for Duran and then used him to shave off 8 mill in salary? That is ridiculous if that is all we got.

In comment 15739652 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15739650 Strahan91 said: Quote: See new Tweets Tweets Shams Charania @ShamsCharania · 21s Knicks acquired Jalen Duren -- and moved him with Kemba Walker to the Pistons, sources said. is Ivey involved?

Certainly doesn't sound like it

Link - ( New Window )

have anything else we'd want but Ivey.

Like no Ivey, Knicks attached the pick to move Walker and go after Brunson

Why don't we all share our favorite Kemba Walker as a Knick memory.

In comment 15739625 Jim in Hoboken said:

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For Cam?

Yes and that was a straight trade, no additional assets acquired.

The Dallas pick we traded to the Clips to move down four spots, take Grimes and pick up a second.

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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The Pistons are sending the Hornets the 2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee in the Duren trade, sources tell ESPN. Detroit got that pick from Portland in the Jerami Grant deal yesterday.

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In comment 15739658 Jan in DC said:

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Why don't we all share our favorite Kemba Walker as a Knick memory.

He fell into our laps!!

My lap will always have that memory.

In comment 15739658 Jan in DC said:

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Why don't we all share our favorite Kemba Walker as a Knick memory.

When he tried to flood Manhattan and everyone in the Garden had to flee to the roof in order to survive.

Actually, that was the Riddler. My bad.