Many of the recent Knicks rumors have lost some steam from a few days ago.
Do the Knicks put all their chips on the table, cutting a deal with the Kings for Jaden Ivey?
A possible Malcom Brogdon deal is said to not include the 11th pick.
Will the Knicks clear $25M in cap space to sign Jalen Brunson?
Where does Burks and Noel land if dealt?
Julius Randle is never in national trade rumors.
If NY stays at 11 and drafts AJ Griffin, how will he history of knee issues fair?
Dejounte Murray was rumored in a possible John Collins deal. This is something the Knicks should investigate.
A lot of Knicks fans on Twitter are down on Leon Rose and Co. Many stating that he is just taking care of CAA, family and friends.
We will have some more clarity in a few hours.
Also says another trade up target could be shaeden Sharpe
Last night it sounded like OKC was going to use assets they’ve been collecting over the years to make a deal with the Kings and jump NY for Ivey. This is Begley creating another rumor.
Anything that allows us to move on from Randle I welcome.
I do wonder about Sochan though. I see a guy without a lot of skill or top end athleticism. Yes, he's got good size and a motor, but I don't see OG Ononuby in his present or future game. I do see that in Tari Eason though. I view Eason as the better prospect.
Last night it sounded like OKC was going to use assets they’ve been collecting over the years to make a deal with the Kings and jump NY for Ivey. This is Begley creating another rumor.
The OKC stuff has been around for weeks, it wasnt anything new
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Man id love to get Murray, but i cant see that happening. I doubt he gets moved at all and if he does i just dont think 11 and a couple future firsts, even unprotected, gets it done. Even if you throw in Obi im still not sure that works.
Also doesnt Trae and Murray seem like an odd fit. Both need the ball and murray not being a good shooter just doesnt really make sense to me.
They'd probably have to move up a few slots, maybe 11 and Dallas pick gets them there but I'd be all for taking Sharpe if it's a possibility. High risk but the Knicks really need to take some swings change their current trajectory.
Anything close to Edwards would be a home run. It was leaked that he couldn’t hit a shot at Kentucky practices, yet they said he’s shot lights out on workouts. Very conflicting.
Draft Jalen Duran at 11
Sign Brunson
Trade burkes Noel Kemba
Whatever it takes to rid this team of Randle
Sign Mitch? Sign and trade Mitch ? Let him go ?
If they sign Brunson I feel Mitch then becomes a very good player. He just hasn’t had a true point guard
According to people who scouted him in HS, he seemed to be playing hurt this year at Duke which limited him athletically. It's possible that with his injury history that's his new normal but could be worth the risk depending on how the Knicks view his medicals. He's destined to be at the very least a very good catch and shoot guy and as far as asset maximization goes, those guys will always be in demand around the league.
You guys are taking media scouting reports WAY too far. Absurdly too far.
Draft Jalen Duran at 11
Sign Brunson
Trade burkes Noel Kemba
Whatever it takes to rid this team of Randle
Sign Mitch? Sign and trade Mitch ? Let him go ?
If they sign Brunson I feel Mitch then becomes a very good player. He just hasn’t had a true point guard
Perfect post here. YES on so many of those thoughts.
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I'll say this... @Sam_Vecenie's awesome top 100 for @TheAthleticNBA makes Sharpe sound very, very intriguing for @knicks and projects him to be somewhere between a Terrence Ross and Anthony Edwards caliber player with all-star upside
Anything close to Edwards would be a home run. It was leaked that he couldn’t hit a shot at Kentucky practices, yet they said he’s shot lights out on workouts. Very conflicting.
Vecenie
Vecenie is really great at what he does and he really sold me on Sharpe.
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The questions with Sharpe obviously abound. He’s a monster shot creator with terrific athleticism. He finishes at the rim and
drives transition play. He’s also never been asked to be a playmaker, and there are real defensive questions. There is also the
matter that Sharpe has never played basketball beyond the high school and EYBL levels, meaning we haven’t seen him play
against older collegiate or professional players. Since he burst onto the scene, we’ve also never seen him in a situation that
isn’t entirely built around and catered to him. How will he react when he’s one part of a whole, as opposed to the No. 1 guy?
Teams have also raised real concerns about how he and his camp have handled the pre-draft process, as well as his timing and
departure from Kentucky. Still, it’s almost impossible to find guys who can create shots like this in the draft and make pull-ups
at a high level as teenagers.
Ultimately, the question is whether Sharpe is closer to Terrence Ross or Anthony Edwards. Athletically, he’s much closer to
Ross – not that that’s a bad thing. In terms of shot creation and ability to decelerate into pull-ups, he’s closer to teenage Edwards.
My guess is that Sharpe ends up somewhere in the middle of those two. He’s not a perfect prospect and wasn’t perfect even at a
lower level. But there are enough tools for someone to bite the bullet on his potential upside as a shot maker in the top 10. If it
works, he has All-Star upside – potentially more All-Star upside than anyone in the class outside of the top four. Even if it doesn’t totally come together, it’s hard to imagine him being anything less than an effective microwave scorer off the bench.
He’s also athletic enough that he was ranked as the top prospect in the Class of 2023 before reclassifying. How many guys like that, who also had elite shooting ability, have failed? Yes, there are questions about his feel and other, secondary lines of inquiry given that nobody has seen him play top-drawer competition. If he were a center or point guard, I’d have him several places lower. But a 6-6 wing who can shoot? Even if he “fails” in terms of achieving stardom, that still becomes a decent value proposition."
So yeah, I'd give up the Mavs pick to move up to land Sharpe. Go down swinging.
Imo it comes down to the medicals and whether or not Thibs thinks he can get him to a level where he can hold his own defensively. I'm optimistic on the latter given that defense was a major question mark for both RJ and Toppin coming into the league and both guys have improved a lot better on that end under Thibs.
At least we know the Knicks will have info as good as anyone's on that situation
I’m not. During his great playoff run, he did a terrific job shooting and creating for himself. But he didn’t do a whole lot of creating for anyone else. The Knicks need both, especially for that amount of money.
He’s also athletic enough that he was ranked as the top prospect in the Class of 2023 before reclassifying. How many guys like that, who also had elite shooting ability, have failed? Yes, there are questions about his feel and other, secondary lines of inquiry given that nobody has seen him play top-drawer competition. If he were a center or point guard, I’d have him several places lower. But a 6-6 wing who can shoot? Even if he “fails” in terms of achieving stardom, that still becomes a decent value proposition."
So yeah, I'd give up the Mavs pick to move up to land Sharpe. Go down swinging.
"Watching him work out on the floor before Kentucky's tournament game, I became convinced...." I mean, cmon.
The dude has sky high potential. But the floor is a dude who doesn't give a shit. For me, the upside is all star, the downside is guy who gets passed from team to team trying to light a fire in his ass. If the Knicks moved up to get him, I guess it's based on conviction they don't need to worry about his desire to play but I am skeptical.
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But, it would be hard for me to trade up for a guy who went to UK and didnt want to play.
At least we know the Knicks will have info as good as anyone's on that situation
That is true. This Knicks FO is as plugged into that situation as any team.
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Giving Brunson $25M-$30M a year?
I’m not. During his great playoff run, he did a terrific job shooting and creating for himself. But he didn’t do a whole lot of creating for anyone else. The Knicks need both, especially for that amount of money.
+2. The risk is that the Knicks will overpay for Brunson or Ivey in order to try and escape their terminal mediocrity. That's what bad and desperate teams do.
100%. Especially if the cost is just the dallas 1
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The price to move up isn’t “bad” then shooting your shot on upside is exactly what the Knicks should be doing. Potential needle movers.
100%. Especially if the cost is just the dallas 1
Yup. Wouldn’t do anything crazy for a “maybe” but the Dallas pick? Yup. That’s a very fair price to land a guy who “every” prognosticator agrees has all-star upside and “all” admit if he reaches his ceiling his spot in the draft will be fair lower than it should have been. Do it up.
Draft Jalen Duran at 11
Sign Brunson
Trade burkes Noel Kemba
Whatever it takes to rid this team of Randle
Sign Mitch? Sign and trade Mitch ? Let him go ?
If they sign Brunson I feel Mitch then becomes a very good player. He just hasn’t had a true point guard
No one wants Noel or Kemba and it will take serious assets to move them. Burks might be able to be moved with less. But OKC is the only team with cap space currently and a only a few teams with space when the season flips over. It won't be easy to get off those contracts.
But man its time for this front office to be aggressive. If they think Ivey or even Sharpe is their guy, do what it takes to move up to get him.
There are no untouchables across this entire roster. It's time to take a big swing... I just highly doubt Leon Rose does it.
Hell yes. The guy is a culture changer. Out with the toxic crap that has poisoned so many Knick teams (Randle being the poster child for this current team). In with Brunson, a tough, smart leader who would be perfect to captain this young team going forward
You guys are taking media scouting reports WAY too far. Absurdly too far.
I daresay I watch more ACC ball than anyone who posts here, and I read very little NBA media of any kind. My comment is based entirely on my own observation.
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You guys are taking media scouting reports WAY too far. Absurdly too far.
I daresay I watch more ACC ball than anyone who posts here, and I read very little NBA media of any kind. My comment is based entirely on my own observation.
Forgive me if I’m skeptical because you’re so steadfastly against drafting a guy who shot 50/47/73 in ACC play as a freshman.
I hate to bring up the CAA conspiracies, but I'm starting to wonder if Leon is just stoking these Brunson flames so his family friend can squeeze a couple of extra million per year out of Mark Cuban.
I agree he may or may not want to leave.
But Luka's presence may be a reason he has for leaving. Meaning, he may say to himself, with Luka's greatness I'll always be an off ball, secondary player whereas with NYK playing for a head coach he knows well and an assistant coach he knows even better (his dad), he may want to come to a team where he gets the responsibility of running a team.
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You guys are taking media scouting reports WAY too far. Absurdly too far.
I daresay I watch more ACC ball than anyone who posts here, and I read very little NBA media of any kind. My comment is based entirely on my own observation.
Forgive me if I’m skeptical because you’re so steadfastly against drafting a guy who shot 50/47/73 in ACC play as a freshman.
Griffin is the best shooter in this draft, that's not really in debate.
His physique and length are elite. His age is a plus.
The concerns are his athleticism (particularly lateral quickness) and shot creation.
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like trading lightly protected firsts or grimes or something to clear the space then i wont be upset about Brunson. Ill sure as shit be nervous we are locked into a middle of the pack PG for 4/100. But hopefully he comes here and kills it! That said i really cant see a team starved for talent around Luka willing to let him walk for nothing. And if they offer the 5th year i cant see him walking away from that.
I agree he may or may not want to leave.
But Luka's presence may be a reason he has for leaving. Meaning, he may say to himself, with Luka's greatness I'll always be an off ball, secondary player whereas with NYK playing for a head coach he knows well and an assistant coach he knows even better (his dad), he may want to come to a team where he gets the responsibility of running a team.
Sure, you never know how badly these guys want to try to be "the guy". But it hasnt really sounded like he is looking to leave. But i mean, i dont know shit, ha
I think Burks could be probably moved with a 2nd round pick. I dont think any team is touching Noel and Kemba without a first attached or one of the good young players. And yes a that is a serious asset.
But this is the cost of the poor cap management and planning. I would be all in on Brunson but not having cap space and very few teams to absorb contracts makes this very tricky.