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Reeses Pieces : 6/23/2022 8:42 am
Many of the recent Knicks rumors have lost some steam from a few days ago.

Do the Knicks put all their chips on the table, cutting a deal with the Kings for Jaden Ivey?

A possible Malcom Brogdon deal is said to not include the 11th pick.

Will the Knicks clear $25M in cap space to sign Jalen Brunson?

Where does Burks and Noel land if dealt?

Julius Randle is never in national trade rumors.

If NY stays at 11 and drafts AJ Griffin, how will he history of knee issues fair?

Dejounte Murray was rumored in a possible John Collins deal. This is something the Knicks should investigate.

A lot of Knicks fans on Twitter are down on Leon Rose and Co. Many stating that he is just taking care of CAA, family and friends.

We will have some more clarity in a few hours.

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25 1st from milwaukee also coming to the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 10:44 pm : link
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RE: Of course detroit is buying out kemba  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15739940 GMEN46 said:
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Why couldn’t we just do that and keep our picks?


because they wanted the cap space
RE: Of course detroit is buying out kemba  
Mike in NJ : 6/23/2022 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15739940 GMEN46 said:
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Why couldn’t we just do that and keep our picks?


because that doesn’t clear any cap space so how would it help us?
RE: Of course detroit is buying out kemba  
The_Boss : 6/23/2022 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15739940 GMEN46 said:
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Why couldn’t we just do that and keep our picks?


Drama
Knicks Instagram account  
GMEN46 : 6/23/2022 10:46 pm : link
Can’t wait to see how they try to put a positive spin on this
The deal with OKC for 3 protected 1st round picks is fine  
Giantfan21 : 6/23/2022 10:46 pm : link
the issue is the second trade using 1 of those 1st round picks plus 4 2nd round picks just to dump $8m in salary.

They couldn't dump Randle or Burks or Noel who all have neutral value and wont cost an arm and leg to dump salary ?
So, let me get this right  
rich in DC : 6/23/2022 10:48 pm : link
The Knicks trade out of the draft and then trade back in.

They send out a benched guy who would not put on the uniform again (Kemba) and 4 SECOND Round picks and a 1st (acquired in a trade).

In return, they get THREE FIRST round picks in future years.

And somehow this is a bad thing? What is wrong with people?
Your telling me  
GMEN46 : 6/23/2022 10:48 pm : link
Clearing Kemba is worth a first rounder and 2 seconds. Correct me if I’m wrong couldnt they stretch Kemba and save $6 million in cap. I’d we didn’t sign Burks and Noel last year we wouldn’t be in this situation
RE: The deal with OKC for 3 protected 1st round picks is fine  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15739948 Giantfan21 said:
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the issue is the second trade using 1 of those 1st round picks plus 4 2nd round picks just to dump $8m in salary.

They couldn't dump Randle or Burks or Noel who all have neutral value and wont cost an arm and leg to dump salary ?

Neither Randle nor Noel have neutral value. Burks probably does but with his knee surgery who knows. They also got a 2025 first rounder in that deal
RE: The deal with OKC for 3 protected 1st round picks is fine  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15739948 Giantfan21 said:
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the issue is the second trade using 1 of those 1st round picks plus 4 2nd round picks just to dump $8m in salary.

They couldn't dump Randle or Burks or Noel who all have neutral value and wont cost an arm and leg to dump salary ?


They got a 1st back in that deal, so Knicks still ended up with 3 1sts
Or they couldn't have  
TommyWiseau : 6/23/2022 10:48 pm : link
been a bunch of dumbasses and not bring back one of Rose, Burks or Noel last year? Really had to bring back all three on "Easily tradeable short deals!!!!!".
RE: 25 1st from milwaukee also coming to the Knicks  
The_Boss : 6/23/2022 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15739941 nygiants16 said:
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Maybe the Greek will have a season ending injury early in October of 2024 and they end up winning an NBA low 15 games…only to see that pick fall from projected #1 to #8 in the lottery because…Knicks
RE: Your telling me  
ajr2456 : 6/23/2022 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15739952 GMEN46 said:
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Clearing Kemba is worth a first rounder and 2 seconds. Correct me if I’m wrong couldnt they stretch Kemba and save $6 million in cap. I’d we didn’t sign Burks and Noel last year we wouldn’t be in this situation


We got a first back in the clearing
RE: RE: RE: Protections on the Washington pick  
k2tampa : 6/23/2022 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15739933 rich in DC said:
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In comment 15739902 Strahan91 said:


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Top 14 protected in 2023, top 12 protected in 2024, top 10 protected in 2025 and top 8 protected in 2026 before converting to a 2027 second round pick.




That’s not a good pick jeez.



This is wrong.

Next year’s draft is much stronger than this years. In addition, Washington ended up with the 10th worst spot this year- missing Beal for a good portion of the season. A healthy Beal likely means this conveys next year.


Beal missed 42 games, they missed the playoffs by 8 games. They went 18-22 with him. They went 17-25 without him. Not a huge difference.
RE: RE: The deal with OKC for 3 protected 1st round picks is fine  
larryflower37 : 6/23/2022 10:50 pm : link
In comment 15739954 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15739948 Giantfan21 said:


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the issue is the second trade using 1 of those 1st round picks plus 4 2nd round picks just to dump $8m in salary.

They couldn't dump Randle or Burks or Noel who all have neutral value and wont cost an arm and leg to dump salary ?



They got a 1st back in that deal, so Knicks still ended up with 3 1sts

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Zack Lowe is saying they got the 2025 Milwaukee pick from the pistons which was from the deal yesterday
Unless I am miss understanding it  
GMEN46 : 6/23/2022 10:50 pm : link
They gave up one of those future 1st rd picks so they only netted 2 first round picks.

The problem eveyone has is it appears that a 1st rounder and 2 seconds went to Charlotte/detroit to get rid of kemba. That’s too much
RE: RE: The deal with OKC for 3 protected 1st round picks is fine  
Giantfan21 : 6/23/2022 10:51 pm : link
In comment 15739953 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 15739948 Giantfan21 said:


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the issue is the second trade using 1 of those 1st round picks plus 4 2nd round picks just to dump $8m in salary.

They couldn't dump Randle or Burks or Noel who all have neutral value and wont cost an arm and leg to dump salary ?


Neither Randle nor Noel have neutral value. Burks probably does but with his knee surgery who knows. They also got a 2025 first rounder in that deal


I see the 1st rounder now . that does help even though its Milwaukee but hopefully they fall off by then .

What do you think it would take to dump Randle ?
RE: Unless I am miss understanding it  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15739960 GMEN46 said:
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They gave up one of those future 1st rd picks so they only netted 2 first round picks.

The problem eveyone has is it appears that a 1st rounder and 2 seconds went to Charlotte/detroit to get rid of kemba. That’s too much

No they got another 1st rounder in the Detroit deal. They traded Denver's 2023 and got back Bucks 2015
RE: So, let me get this right  
adamg : 6/23/2022 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15739951 rich in DC said:
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The Knicks trade out of the draft and then trade back in.

They send out a benched guy who would not put on the uniform again (Kemba) and 4 SECOND Round picks and a 1st (acquired in a trade).

In return, they get THREE FIRST round picks in future years.

And somehow this is a bad thing? What is wrong with people?


Thanks for breaking it down. I was watching the Yankees come from behind again. Figures all the non-game thread people are shitting their pants. Leon hasn't been fleeced at all in his time here. Not sure why that would change tonight.
RE: Unless I am miss understanding it  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15739960 GMEN46 said:
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They gave up one of those future 1st rd picks so they only netted 2 first round picks.

The problem eveyone has is it appears that a 1st rounder and 2 seconds went to Charlotte/detroit to get rid of kemba. That’s too much


they gave a 23 denver pick in the detroit deal but got back a 25 1st from milwaukee in that deal..

so knicks technichally have 4 1sts next year 1 1st in 24 and 2 1sts in 25
RE: So, let me get this right  
k2tampa : 6/23/2022 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15739951 rich in DC said:
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The Knicks trade out of the draft and then trade back in.

They send out a benched guy who would not put on the uniform again (Kemba) and 4 SECOND Round picks and a 1st (acquired in a trade).

In return, they get THREE FIRST round picks in future years.

And somehow this is a bad thing? What is wrong with people?


They are not necessarily firsts. The eventually change to seconds (not sure about the Milwaukee pick).
RE: Adam Silver looks like Nosferatu  
djm : 6/23/2022 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15739661 Optimus-NY said:
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Lolol
RE: Knicks Instagram account  
Mike in NJ : 6/23/2022 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15739947 GMEN46 said:
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Can’t wait to see how they try to put a positive spin on this


They came into the night looking at AJ Griffin and no cap space. They are coming out with 3 future firsts and cap room to finally get a real point guard. What is there to spin?
RE: RE: RE: The deal with OKC for 3 protected 1st round picks is fine  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15739961 Giantfan21 said:
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What do you think it would take to dump Randle ?

Not a lot of teams can absorb him into cap space and the teams that can probably don't want to risk getting the version of him we saw last year. So probably more than most fans would guess
RE: RE: So, let me get this right  
rich in DC : 6/23/2022 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15739965 k2tampa said:
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In comment 15739951 rich in DC said:


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The Knicks trade out of the draft and then trade back in.

They send out a benched guy who would not put on the uniform again (Kemba) and 4 SECOND Round picks and a 1st (acquired in a trade).

In return, they get THREE FIRST round picks in future years.

And somehow this is a bad thing? What is wrong with people?



They are not necessarily firsts. The eventually change to seconds (not sure about the Milwaukee pick).


That being too pessimistic by a LOT. These aren’t strong protections. The picks will convey before they turn into seconds.
it’s fine that theyll convey  
wigs in nyc : 6/23/2022 10:55 pm : link
but we dont make 1st round picks anyway!
RE: RE: Knicks Instagram account  
TommyWiseau : 6/23/2022 10:55 pm : link
In comment 15739968 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 15739947 GMEN46 said:


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Can’t wait to see how they try to put a positive spin on this



They came into the night looking at AJ Griffin and no cap space. They are coming out with 3 future firsts and cap room to finally get a real point guard. What is there to spin?


To possibly get a point guard. I won't believe it until I see the guy signing a contract with the Knicks
Another way to look at this  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 10:55 pm : link
The Knicks traded down 2 spots and 4 seconds for 2 firsts. Then they traded that 13th pick and Kemba for a future Milwaukee pick and cap space. Oh, the horror.
Ivey  
jmalls23 : 6/23/2022 10:56 pm : link
So the LAC didn't even want Ivey and we still couldn't get him?
It's a real let down to have a draft  
steve in ky : 6/23/2022 10:56 pm : link
and not come away with a young guy to get excited about.
RE: it’s fine that theyll convey  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 10:56 pm : link
In comment 15739972 wigs in nyc said:
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but we dont make 1st round picks anyway!


yes jever, knicks have no draft picks on their roster right now, just an old team with no youth
RE: RE: So, let me get this right  
rich in DC : 6/23/2022 10:56 pm : link
In comment 15739963 adamg said:
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In comment 15739951 rich in DC said:


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The Knicks trade out of the draft and then trade back in.

They send out a benched guy who would not put on the uniform again (Kemba) and 4 SECOND Round picks and a 1st (acquired in a trade).

In return, they get THREE FIRST round picks in future years.

And somehow this is a bad thing? What is wrong with people?



Thanks for breaking it down. I was watching the Yankees come from behind again. Figures all the non-game thread people are shitting their pants. Leon hasn't been fleeced at all in his time here. Not sure why that would change tonight.


There hasn’t been much stop and think going on in this thread in about 2 hours. Lots of emotional whining and baseless speculation without thought. It’s like a Giants game thread.
RE: It's a real let down to have a draft  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15739976 steve in ky said:
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and not come away with a young guy to get excited about.


you got 8 guys under the age of 24 on this team
Who's  
Giantfootball025 : 6/23/2022 10:57 pm : link
the next explosive guard we can root for the Knicks to get next year Scoot Henderson?
RE: RE: Unless I am miss understanding it  
k2tampa : 6/23/2022 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15739964 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15739960 GMEN46 said:


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They gave up one of those future 1st rd picks so they only netted 2 first round picks.

The problem eveyone has is it appears that a 1st rounder and 2 seconds went to Charlotte/detroit to get rid of kemba. That’s too much



they gave a 23 denver pick in the detroit deal but got back a 25 1st from milwaukee in that deal..

so knicks technichally have 4 1sts next year 1 1st in 24 and 2 1sts in 25


Possibly have. They are protected. The only ones we can count on are our own and Dallas'.
The protection on these picks kills them...  
moze1021 : 6/23/2022 10:57 pm : link
Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?

NBA pick value just drops off way too fast
RE: It's a real let down to have a draft  
Giantfan21 : 6/23/2022 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15739976 steve in ky said:
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and not come away with a young guy to get excited about.


I'm excited about Grimes, Quickley, Obi, RJ.

Biggest issue are the Vets on the roster who block these guys
RE: it’s fine that theyll convey  
larryflower37 : 6/23/2022 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15739972 wigs in nyc said:
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but we dont make 1st round picks anyway!

All but Detroit probably converts next year.
Obviously we are not make 3 1st round picks next year so we would have to make a trade for a big fish this year or kick them down the road again.
Or attach them to trade Randle sarcasm
RE: The protection on these picks kills them...  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15739982 moze1021 said:
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?

NBA pick value just drops off way too fast


This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.
I didn’t realize  
GMEN46 : 6/23/2022 10:59 pm : link
They’re ere actually keeping 3 1st rounders I thought it was only 2. That just clarified recently.

This starting line reeks of 8 seed or late lottery:

Brunson
Fournier
RJ
Randle
Mitch

3 lefties in starting line up
Hopefully we  
TommyWiseau : 6/23/2022 10:59 pm : link
can turn these 1st round picks and Randle into a good player. I would love to get Obi the minutes he needs
Randle has to go  
GMEN46 : 6/23/2022 11:00 pm : link
Obi needs
To start
Anyone we like  
GMEN46 : 6/23/2022 11:00 pm : link
For rd 2
RE: Anyone we like  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15739989 GMEN46 said:
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For rd 2


probably trade the pick to clear Burks or Noel hahahaha
RE: RE: Anyone we like  
TommyWiseau : 6/23/2022 11:03 pm : link
In comment 15739990 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15739989 GMEN46 said:


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For rd 2



probably trade the pick to clear Burks or Noel hahahaha


at this point might as well. I'd rather move Noel so Sims gets some more playing time
What are protections  
GMEN46 : 6/23/2022 11:03 pm : link
On the Milwaukee pick?
RE: RE: it’s fine that theyll convey  
k2tampa : 6/23/2022 11:03 pm : link
In comment 15739984 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 15739972 wigs in nyc said:


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but we dont make 1st round picks anyway!


All but Detroit probably converts next year.
Obviously we are not make 3 1st round picks next year so we would have to make a trade for a big fish this year or kick them down the road again.
Or attach them to trade Randle sarcasm


Don't beat on getting Washington's.
RE: Anyone we like  
Anakim : 6/23/2022 11:04 pm : link
In comment 15739989 GMEN46 said:
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For rd 2


Hoping we roll the dice on Jaden Hardy
Could  
Giantfootball025 : 6/23/2022 11:04 pm : link
we attach some firsts trade Randle and effectively sign Brunson and another big fish?
RE: Anyone we like  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 11:05 pm : link
In comment 15739989 GMEN46 said:
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For rd 2

Hardy, Chandler, McGowens for me
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