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Reeses Pieces : 6/23/2022 8:42 am
Many of the recent Knicks rumors have lost some steam from a few days ago.

Do the Knicks put all their chips on the table, cutting a deal with the Kings for Jaden Ivey?

A possible Malcom Brogdon deal is said to not include the 11th pick.

Will the Knicks clear $25M in cap space to sign Jalen Brunson?

Where does Burks and Noel land if dealt?

Julius Randle is never in national trade rumors.

If NY stays at 11 and drafts AJ Griffin, how will he history of knee issues fair?

Dejounte Murray was rumored in a possible John Collins deal. This is something the Knicks should investigate.

A lot of Knicks fans on Twitter are down on Leon Rose and Co. Many stating that he is just taking care of CAA, family and friends.

We will have some more clarity in a few hours.

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RE: What are protections  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 11:05 pm : link
In comment 15739993 GMEN46 said:
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On the Milwaukee pick?


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I’m lost  
Carl in CT : 6/23/2022 11:05 pm : link
Can anyone help me figure out what the fuck we did?
Hey if they clear Burks and Noel  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 11:06 pm : link
they can get Kyrie
RE: I’m lost  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 11:06 pm : link
In comment 15739999 Carl in CT said:
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Can anyone help me figure out what the fuck we did?

Oversimplification: 11, Kemba and some future 2nds for 3 future firsts
RE: I’m lost  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 11:07 pm : link
In comment 15739999 Carl in CT said:
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Can anyone help me figure out what the fuck we did?


Traded 11 for 3 protected 23 1sts..

Traded 1 of those protected 1sts, kemba and 4 2nds to detroit for 25 milwaukee 1st..

Knicks end with 2 23 protected 1sts and 25 1st
I would absolutely use 1 of those 1st round picks  
Giantfan21 : 6/23/2022 11:07 pm : link
to dump Randle and clear minutes for OBI.

Brunson
Grimes
RJ
OBI
Mitch

Go full youth movement with Fournier and Rose coming off the bench
They have to go all in on this cap space now  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 11:09 pm : link
have to get rid of Burks and Noel
RE: They have to go all in on this cap space now  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 11:13 pm : link
In comment 15740006 nygiants16 said:
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have to get rid of Burks and Noel

Might use them in a sign and trade
RE: RE: The protection on these picks kills them...  
moze1021 : 6/23/2022 11:13 pm : link
In comment 15739985 robbieballs2003 said:
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?

NBA pick value just drops off way too fast



This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.


Well it's pretty hard to find a superstar in the 2nd half of the 1st round.. even Giannis was 15 and 15th is best case scenario with these next year if I'm reading correctly

At least they maybe got rid of the even more worthless 2nd rounders
I have to say…  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2022 11:15 pm : link
the “Dallas re-signs Jalen Brunson” thread next week would be one for the ages.
Max is 4 years 130 on Brunson  
larryflower37 : 6/23/2022 11:16 pm : link
For the Knicks
Will it take the max?
Dallas can go 4 yes 175.
Can Brunson really get 30 million per?
RE: RE: RE: The protection on these picks kills them...  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 11:16 pm : link
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?

NBA pick value just drops off way too fast



This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.



Well it's pretty hard to find a superstar in the 2nd half of the 1st round.. even Giannis was 15 and 15th is best case scenario with these next year if I'm reading correctly

At least they maybe got rid of the even more worthless 2nd rounders


That's one part of a pick. The other is that they sweeten deals to get players. There is so much you can do with these pick. Too many are bitching to make a big move. Wellz they are setting themsleves up to make one. The worst thing this franchise can do is make a huge move to fuck this franchise over and set them back years. Nothing this regime is doing is bad. People are just so burnt out from waiting for them to be good. I've waited my whole life. I can wait longer until the right opportunity presents itself.
RE: RE: They have to go all in on this cap space now  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 11:18 pm : link
In comment 15740007 Strahan91 said:
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have to get rid of Burks and Noel


Might use them in a sign and trade


i am still getting a gut feeling its Kyrie...Everyone keeps saying Brunson, but all this does is up his price he gets paid and Knicks go get Kyrie
Well nobody fell, and I wasn't crazy about anyone at 11  
Stu11 : 6/23/2022 11:19 pm : link
Some I'm not crushed they traded it. Having to give up decent assets just to dump Kemba is disappointing but we'll see how the rest of the off season works out. I'm not ready to freak out. One thing they have a crap ton of future draft capital to use in trades. I know the picks have protections but they still are 1st rounders. Don't have a ton of faith in this front office to pull off big deals but who knows maybe they'll surprise us.
You have Grimes, Quickley, RJ, OBI, Reddish, Mcbride,Potentially Mitch  
Giantfan21 : 6/23/2022 11:20 pm : link
all these guys need minutes but you also have as of right now Burks, Noel, Rose, Fournier, and Randle .

They need to clear most of these Vets so they can give majority of the minutes to the kids especially when a lot of them are getting close to extensions and decisions need to be made on them
RE: RE: RE: RE: The protection on these picks kills them...  
larryflower37 : 6/23/2022 11:21 pm : link
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?

NBA pick value just drops off way too fast



This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.



Well it's pretty hard to find a superstar in the 2nd half of the 1st round.. even Giannis was 15 and 15th is best case scenario with these next year if I'm reading correctly

At least they maybe got rid of the even more worthless 2nd rounders



That's one part of a pick. The other is that they sweeten deals to get players. There is so much you can do with these pick. Too many are bitching to make a big move. Wellz they are setting themsleves up to make one. The worst thing this franchise can do is make a huge move to fuck this franchise over and set them back years. Nothing this regime is doing is bad. People are just so burnt out from waiting for them to be good. I've waited my whole life. I can wait longer until the right opportunity presents itself.

Completely understood but we said the same with the dallas picks and we continue to kick them down the road.
At some point we need to spend the draft capital and make a move.
Also signing Randle, Rose, Kamba, Fournier, and Noel were not smart moves and we are scrambling to get out of those contracts to max Brunson
Trade Rose for a first?  
adamg : 6/23/2022 11:22 pm : link
I don't think dumping Fournier is the right move. His contract can be used to trade for a star.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The protection on these picks kills them...  
moze1021 : 6/23/2022 11:23 pm : link
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?

NBA pick value just drops off way too fast



This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.



Well it's pretty hard to find a superstar in the 2nd half of the 1st round.. even Giannis was 15 and 15th is best case scenario with these next year if I'm reading correctly

At least they maybe got rid of the even more worthless 2nd rounders



That's one part of a pick. The other is that they sweeten deals to get players. There is so much you can do with these pick. Too many are bitching to make a big move. Wellz they are setting themsleves up to make one. The worst thing this franchise can do is make a huge move to fuck this franchise over and set them back years. Nothing this regime is doing is bad. People are just so burnt out from waiting for them to be good. I've waited my whole life. I can wait longer until the right opportunity presents itself.


I hear you..gotta wait this out for sure...and I've been patient too. I was just saying I think late 1st round draft picks in the NBA are overvalued... It's like a 4th round NFL pick. Of course you can strike gold but if you even get a starter out of it that's a solid pick. Most of them end up sucking.
Clearing Burks and Noel seem like good next steps.  
adamg : 6/23/2022 11:23 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The protection on these picks kills them...  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 11:25 pm : link
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?

NBA pick value just drops off way too fast



This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.



Well it's pretty hard to find a superstar in the 2nd half of the 1st round.. even Giannis was 15 and 15th is best case scenario with these next year if I'm reading correctly

At least they maybe got rid of the even more worthless 2nd rounders



That's one part of a pick. The other is that they sweeten deals to get players. There is so much you can do with these pick. Too many are bitching to make a big move. Wellz they are setting themsleves up to make one. The worst thing this franchise can do is make a huge move to fuck this franchise over and set them back years. Nothing this regime is doing is bad. People are just so burnt out from waiting for them to be good. I've waited my whole life. I can wait longer until the right opportunity presents itself.



I hear you..gotta wait this out for sure...and I've been patient too. I was just saying I think late 1st round draft picks in the NBA are overvalued... It's like a 4th round NFL pick. Of course you can strike gold but if you even get a starter out of it that's a solid pick. Most of them end up sucking.


But, as I said, we will not be making these trades. If a big name comes available, throwing in Randle and many 1sts makes any deal look that much better.
Man, Ivey seems like  
bigbluehoya : 6/23/2022 11:27 pm : link
Such a fucking good kid. I really wanted NYK to find a way on that one.
Yeah that's possible...  
moze1021 : 6/23/2022 11:29 pm : link
On related note...would be cool if NBA got rid of the ability to put protection on the picks. I think it's just dumb
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The protection on these picks kills them...  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 11:31 pm : link
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?

NBA pick value just drops off way too fast



This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.



Well it's pretty hard to find a superstar in the 2nd half of the 1st round.. even Giannis was 15 and 15th is best case scenario with these next year if I'm reading correctly

At least they maybe got rid of the even more worthless 2nd rounders



That's one part of a pick. The other is that they sweeten deals to get players. There is so much you can do with these pick. Too many are bitching to make a big move. Wellz they are setting themsleves up to make one. The worst thing this franchise can do is make a huge move to fuck this franchise over and set them back years. Nothing this regime is doing is bad. People are just so burnt out from waiting for them to be good. I've waited my whole life. I can wait longer until the right opportunity presents itself.


Completely understood but we said the same with the dallas picks and we continue to kick them down the road.
At some point we need to spend the draft capital and make a move.
Also signing Randle, Rose, Kamba, Fournier, and Noel were not smart moves and we are scrambling to get out of those contracts to max Brunson


We have to stop with the Randle contract. He signed cheap coming off a career year. I have no issue with Rose. They wanted to go over the cap last year. Noel made little sense. Fournier was eh. We took a shot. It didn't work but it also didn't set us back. I have no problem with the team trying to build off what they did the year prior. But none of these moves are detrimental. Who are we missing out on this year in FA? Nobody. People like to bitch about this team. Do they not get credit for Obi, IQ, Grimes, RJ, McBride, Sims, etc.? It is like people are expecting perfection. Does the team need to start winning? Of course. But what moves are out there that this regime really missed out on? It has been a weird couple of years. There have been rumors of guys moving but nobody has really moved. It'll happen soon enough.
Go with EJ Liddell or JD Davison  
Anakim : 6/23/2022 11:31 pm : link
IDK. Bummer of a night.
Robbie  
bigbluehoya : 6/23/2022 11:34 pm : link
I won’t dismiss anything you said out of hand, but I wish I shared your optimism.

Can you agree that doing all of this to potentially overpay a guy Rose has known since birth feels really gross and sub-optimal at face value?
Lol, all we do is accumulate picks (to use for the big trade) only  
CooperDash : 6/23/2022 11:36 pm : link
to end up using them to get out of our own bad trades….to accumulate more draft picks (heavily protected) so we can AGAIN use them for the big trade.

Rinse…repeat.

It’s funny to read people defend these picks like they are gold. If we are going with the thought that the talent in the second half of the first round isn’t very valuable, then these picks suck. At least for the next two drafts. The third year is a little better but those players are too far away for any GM to give a shit.

You guys are fooling yourselves. We’ll do nothing with these picks. Just like with all other other picks we’ve accumulated. I’m pretty confident on that. Wake me up when this FO does anything of any value.
RE: Man, Ivey seems like  
steve in ky : 6/23/2022 11:37 pm : link
In comment 15740025 bigbluehoya said:
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Such a fucking good kid. I really wanted NYK to find a way on that one.


Did you see that last interview on ESPN? He could barely speak because he was crying so hard. He seems a little too over emotional, maybe the NY pressure wouldn't have been the best landing spot. And his mom gives off an Eli Apples mom vibe.
RE: Robbie  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 11:39 pm : link
In comment 15740029 bigbluehoya said:
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I won’t dismiss anything you said out of hand, but I wish I shared your optimism.

Can you agree that doing all of this to potentially overpay a guy Rose has known since birth feels really gross and sub-optimal at face value?


I just talked with my buddy. He said the only thing that comes to mind is the Haliburton deal and Lonzo Ball. I don't disagree with him. Haliburton was a shock to everybody so we don't know who was aware of that. I liked Ball but wasn't breaking the bank for him. Derozan was another.

None of these were major additions but would have made us better. With that said, I think they had their plan of 2 year deals and those FA would have changed that.
If all these 1sr rounders are so good...  
moze1021 : 6/23/2022 11:42 pm : link
Then why wouldn't they be able to trade them all to Detroit for Ivey??

Answer: they aren't that valuable
Either a choke job or corporate espionage  
ghost718 : 6/23/2022 11:43 pm : link
Nothing in between.So with that said,I don't see how you can feel confident in anything going forward.Whether it's potential draft picks or signing Brunson.

This guy Rose should probably get tossed first thing tomorrow

Knicks take Keels  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 11:44 pm : link
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And we add a Blue Devil for Greg.  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2022 11:44 pm : link
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can't get upset  
Mook80 : 6/23/2022 11:44 pm : link
about a 2nd round pick but Keels doesn't do anything well.
RE: If all these 1sr rounders are so good...  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 11:45 pm : link
In comment 15740034 moze1021 said:
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Then why wouldn't they be able to trade them all to Detroit for Ivey??

Answer: they aren't that valuable


Holy shit. Nobody said they are the centerpiece of any trade.
Part of the reason for accumulating all these firsts  
robbieballs2003 : 6/23/2022 11:47 pm : link
Is to be able to pay the tampering fine for Brunson.
RE: If all these 1sr rounders are so good...  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 11:47 pm : link
In comment 15740034 moze1021 said:
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Then why wouldn't they be able to trade them all to Detroit for Ivey??

Answer: they aren't that valuable


Because Detroit didnt want to trade Ivey?
RE: RE: Man, Ivey seems like  
bigbluehoya : 6/23/2022 11:47 pm : link
In comment 15740032 steve in ky said:
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Such a fucking good kid. I really wanted NYK to find a way on that one.



Did you see that last interview on ESPN? He could barely speak because he was crying so hard. He seems a little too over emotional, maybe the NY pressure wouldn't have been the best landing spot. And his mom gives off an Eli Apples mom vibe.


I think his game is tight and has a huge ceiling. I only worry about the emotional stuff when it seems to be coming from a place of selfishness. Happy to let him feel the feelings on a big night.

If anything I’d draw some comfort from seeing what an absolute boss his mom is.
RE: can't get upset  
rich in DC : 6/23/2022 11:48 pm : link
In comment 15740038 Mook80 said:
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about a 2nd round pick but Keels doesn't do anything well.


Doubt he ever wears the uni- he’s probably traded shortly.
RE: Part of the reason for accumulating all these firsts  
moze1021 : 6/23/2022 11:49 pm : link
In comment 15740040 robbieballs2003 said:
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Is to be able to pay the tampering fine for Brunson.


Lol
RE: RE: can't get upset  
larryflower37 : 6/23/2022 11:50 pm : link
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about a 2nd round pick but Keels doesn't do anything well.



Doubt he ever wears the uni- he’s probably traded shortly.

2 way contract guy probably never plays for the Knicks
Why do the Knicks have a strange affinity for Duke players?  
CooperDash : 6/23/2022 11:50 pm : link
Where the connection? There has to be one, right? Is it CAA?
The way Woj was talking i would not be surprised if most or all of  
Giantfan21 : 6/23/2022 11:51 pm : link
these protected 1sts the knicks got tonight end up being used to dump salary to open up room for Brunson.

Using a lottery pick to dump contracts you just signed a year earlier is not a good look on the front office
RE: Why do the Knicks have a strange affinity for Duke players?  
steve in ky : 6/23/2022 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15740047 CooperDash said:
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Where the connection? There has to be one, right? Is it CAA?


UK players even more than Duke
RE: RE: If all these 1sr rounders are so good...  
moze1021 : 6/23/2022 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15740041 nygiants16 said:
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Then why wouldn't they be able to trade them all to Detroit for Ivey??

Answer: they aren't that valuable



Because Detroit didnt want to trade Ivey?


Yeah again..I'm just making a point that media likes to say things about "1st rounders" and glorify then when back half of 1st round are garbage picks
RE: The way Woj was talking i would not be surprised if most or all of  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2022 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15740048 Giantfan21 said:
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these protected 1sts the knicks got tonight end up being used to dump salary to open up room for Brunson.

Using a lottery pick to dump contracts you just signed a year earlier is not a good look on the front office


Most likely stretch and waive Noel and maybe even burks
RE: Why do the Knicks have a strange affinity for Duke players?  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 11:54 pm : link
In comment 15740047 CooperDash said:
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Where the connection? There has to be one, right? Is it CAA?

I don’t get it, because of Reddish and now Keels? Hardly an affinity. If they also took Griffin in the first then yeah I could see that
7 days to move Noel and Burks  
larryflower37 : 6/23/2022 11:56 pm : link
They have broadcasted what they are trying to do so teams are going to hold out for a better deal.
RE: The way Woj was talking i would not be surprised if most or all of  
Strahan91 : 6/23/2022 11:56 pm : link
In comment 15740048 Giantfan21 said:
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these protected 1sts the knicks got tonight end up being used to dump salary to open up room for Brunson.

Using a lottery pick to dump contracts you just signed a year earlier is not a good look on the front office

They didn’t though. Denver’s pick isn’t going to be in the lottery
RE: RE: The way Woj was talking i would not be surprised if most or all of  
Giantfan21 : 6/23/2022 11:59 pm : link
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these protected 1sts the knicks got tonight end up being used to dump salary to open up room for Brunson.

Using a lottery pick to dump contracts you just signed a year earlier is not a good look on the front office


They didn’t though. Denver’s pick isn’t going to be in the lottery


I meant they used their lottery pick to acquire more protected picks in the future and use those picks to attach to the vets to help dump them on other teams .

The way Woj was talking he made it sound that was why the knicks wanted all these picks to help facilitate these trades
RE: RE: RE: The way Woj was talking i would not be surprised if most or all of  
steve in ky : 6/24/2022 12:03 am : link
In comment 15740055 Giantfan21 said:
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these protected 1sts the knicks got tonight end up being used to dump salary to open up room for Brunson.

Using a lottery pick to dump contracts you just signed a year earlier is not a good look on the front office


They didn’t though. Denver’s pick isn’t going to be in the lottery



I meant they used their lottery pick to acquire more protected picks in the future and use those picks to attach to the vets to help dump them on other teams .

The way Woj was talking he made it sound that was why the knicks wanted all these picks to help facilitate these trades


Can't really blame them for his wrong assumption
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