Many of the recent Knicks rumors have lost some steam from a few days ago.
Do the Knicks put all their chips on the table, cutting a deal with the Kings for Jaden Ivey?
A possible Malcom Brogdon deal is said to not include the 11th pick.
Will the Knicks clear $25M in cap space to sign Jalen Brunson?
Where does Burks and Noel land if dealt?
Julius Randle is never in national trade rumors.
If NY stays at 11 and drafts AJ Griffin, how will he history of knee issues fair?
Dejounte Murray was rumored in a possible John Collins deal. This is something the Knicks should investigate.
A lot of Knicks fans on Twitter are down on Leon Rose and Co. Many stating that he is just taking care of CAA, family and friends.
We will have some more clarity in a few hours.
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Oversimplification: 11, Kemba and some future 2nds for 3 future firsts
Traded 11 for 3 protected 23 1sts..
Traded 1 of those protected 1sts, kemba and 4 2nds to detroit for 25 milwaukee 1st..
Knicks end with 2 23 protected 1sts and 25 1st
Brunson
Grimes
RJ
OBI
Mitch
Go full youth movement with Fournier and Rose coming off the bench
Might use them in a sign and trade
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?
NBA pick value just drops off way too fast
This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.
Well it's pretty hard to find a superstar in the 2nd half of the 1st round.. even Giannis was 15 and 15th is best case scenario with these next year if I'm reading correctly
At least they maybe got rid of the even more worthless 2nd rounders
Will it take the max?
Dallas can go 4 yes 175.
Can Brunson really get 30 million per?
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In comment 15739982 moze1021 said:
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?
NBA pick value just drops off way too fast
This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.
Well it's pretty hard to find a superstar in the 2nd half of the 1st round.. even Giannis was 15 and 15th is best case scenario with these next year if I'm reading correctly
At least they maybe got rid of the even more worthless 2nd rounders
That's one part of a pick. The other is that they sweeten deals to get players. There is so much you can do with these pick. Too many are bitching to make a big move. Wellz they are setting themsleves up to make one. The worst thing this franchise can do is make a huge move to fuck this franchise over and set them back years. Nothing this regime is doing is bad. People are just so burnt out from waiting for them to be good. I've waited my whole life. I can wait longer until the right opportunity presents itself.
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have to get rid of Burks and Noel
Might use them in a sign and trade
i am still getting a gut feeling its Kyrie...Everyone keeps saying Brunson, but all this does is up his price he gets paid and Knicks go get Kyrie
They need to clear most of these Vets so they can give majority of the minutes to the kids especially when a lot of them are getting close to extensions and decisions need to be made on them
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In comment 15739985 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15739982 moze1021 said:
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?
NBA pick value just drops off way too fast
This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.
Well it's pretty hard to find a superstar in the 2nd half of the 1st round.. even Giannis was 15 and 15th is best case scenario with these next year if I'm reading correctly
At least they maybe got rid of the even more worthless 2nd rounders
That's one part of a pick. The other is that they sweeten deals to get players. There is so much you can do with these pick. Too many are bitching to make a big move. Wellz they are setting themsleves up to make one. The worst thing this franchise can do is make a huge move to fuck this franchise over and set them back years. Nothing this regime is doing is bad. People are just so burnt out from waiting for them to be good. I've waited my whole life. I can wait longer until the right opportunity presents itself.
Completely understood but we said the same with the dallas picks and we continue to kick them down the road.
At some point we need to spend the draft capital and make a move.
Also signing Randle, Rose, Kamba, Fournier, and Noel were not smart moves and we are scrambling to get out of those contracts to max Brunson
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In comment 15739985 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15739982 moze1021 said:
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?
NBA pick value just drops off way too fast
This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.
Well it's pretty hard to find a superstar in the 2nd half of the 1st round.. even Giannis was 15 and 15th is best case scenario with these next year if I'm reading correctly
At least they maybe got rid of the even more worthless 2nd rounders
That's one part of a pick. The other is that they sweeten deals to get players. There is so much you can do with these pick. Too many are bitching to make a big move. Wellz they are setting themsleves up to make one. The worst thing this franchise can do is make a huge move to fuck this franchise over and set them back years. Nothing this regime is doing is bad. People are just so burnt out from waiting for them to be good. I've waited my whole life. I can wait longer until the right opportunity presents itself.
I hear you..gotta wait this out for sure...and I've been patient too. I was just saying I think late 1st round draft picks in the NBA are overvalued... It's like a 4th round NFL pick. Of course you can strike gold but if you even get a starter out of it that's a solid pick. Most of them end up sucking.
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In comment 15739985 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15739982 moze1021 said:
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?
NBA pick value just drops off way too fast
This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.
Well it's pretty hard to find a superstar in the 2nd half of the 1st round.. even Giannis was 15 and 15th is best case scenario with these next year if I'm reading correctly
At least they maybe got rid of the even more worthless 2nd rounders
That's one part of a pick. The other is that they sweeten deals to get players. There is so much you can do with these pick. Too many are bitching to make a big move. Wellz they are setting themsleves up to make one. The worst thing this franchise can do is make a huge move to fuck this franchise over and set them back years. Nothing this regime is doing is bad. People are just so burnt out from waiting for them to be good. I've waited my whole life. I can wait longer until the right opportunity presents itself.
I hear you..gotta wait this out for sure...and I've been patient too. I was just saying I think late 1st round draft picks in the NBA are overvalued... It's like a 4th round NFL pick. Of course you can strike gold but if you even get a starter out of it that's a solid pick. Most of them end up sucking.
But, as I said, we will not be making these trades. If a big name comes available, throwing in Randle and many 1sts makes any deal look that much better.
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In comment 15739985 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15739982 moze1021 said:
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Would you rather have 1 unprotected pick from a rebuilding team or 3 protected like they have?
NBA pick value just drops off way too fast
This draft sucks. Not all drafts are the same.
Well it's pretty hard to find a superstar in the 2nd half of the 1st round.. even Giannis was 15 and 15th is best case scenario with these next year if I'm reading correctly
At least they maybe got rid of the even more worthless 2nd rounders
That's one part of a pick. The other is that they sweeten deals to get players. There is so much you can do with these pick. Too many are bitching to make a big move. Wellz they are setting themsleves up to make one. The worst thing this franchise can do is make a huge move to fuck this franchise over and set them back years. Nothing this regime is doing is bad. People are just so burnt out from waiting for them to be good. I've waited my whole life. I can wait longer until the right opportunity presents itself.
Completely understood but we said the same with the dallas picks and we continue to kick them down the road.
At some point we need to spend the draft capital and make a move.
Also signing Randle, Rose, Kamba, Fournier, and Noel were not smart moves and we are scrambling to get out of those contracts to max Brunson
We have to stop with the Randle contract. He signed cheap coming off a career year. I have no issue with Rose. They wanted to go over the cap last year. Noel made little sense. Fournier was eh. We took a shot. It didn't work but it also didn't set us back. I have no problem with the team trying to build off what they did the year prior. But none of these moves are detrimental. Who are we missing out on this year in FA? Nobody. People like to bitch about this team. Do they not get credit for Obi, IQ, Grimes, RJ, McBride, Sims, etc.? It is like people are expecting perfection. Does the team need to start winning? Of course. But what moves are out there that this regime really missed out on? It has been a weird couple of years. There have been rumors of guys moving but nobody has really moved. It'll happen soon enough.
Can you agree that doing all of this to potentially overpay a guy Rose has known since birth feels really gross and sub-optimal at face value?
Rinse…repeat.
It’s funny to read people defend these picks like they are gold. If we are going with the thought that the talent in the second half of the first round isn’t very valuable, then these picks suck. At least for the next two drafts. The third year is a little better but those players are too far away for any GM to give a shit.
You guys are fooling yourselves. We’ll do nothing with these picks. Just like with all other other picks we’ve accumulated. I’m pretty confident on that. Wake me up when this FO does anything of any value.
Did you see that last interview on ESPN? He could barely speak because he was crying so hard. He seems a little too over emotional, maybe the NY pressure wouldn't have been the best landing spot. And his mom gives off an Eli Apples mom vibe.
Can you agree that doing all of this to potentially overpay a guy Rose has known since birth feels really gross and sub-optimal at face value?
I just talked with my buddy. He said the only thing that comes to mind is the Haliburton deal and Lonzo Ball. I don't disagree with him. Haliburton was a shock to everybody so we don't know who was aware of that. I liked Ball but wasn't breaking the bank for him. Derozan was another.
None of these were major additions but would have made us better. With that said, I think they had their plan of 2 year deals and those FA would have changed that.
Answer: they aren't that valuable
This guy Rose should probably get tossed first thing tomorrow
Answer: they aren't that valuable
Holy shit. Nobody said they are the centerpiece of any trade.
Answer: they aren't that valuable
Because Detroit didnt want to trade Ivey?
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Such a fucking good kid. I really wanted NYK to find a way on that one.
Did you see that last interview on ESPN? He could barely speak because he was crying so hard. He seems a little too over emotional, maybe the NY pressure wouldn't have been the best landing spot. And his mom gives off an Eli Apples mom vibe.
I think his game is tight and has a huge ceiling. I only worry about the emotional stuff when it seems to be coming from a place of selfishness. Happy to let him feel the feelings on a big night.
If anything I’d draw some comfort from seeing what an absolute boss his mom is.
Doubt he ever wears the uni- he’s probably traded shortly.
Lol
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about a 2nd round pick but Keels doesn't do anything well.
Doubt he ever wears the uni- he’s probably traded shortly.
2 way contract guy probably never plays for the Knicks
Using a lottery pick to dump contracts you just signed a year earlier is not a good look on the front office
UK players even more than Duke
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Then why wouldn't they be able to trade them all to Detroit for Ivey??
Answer: they aren't that valuable
Because Detroit didnt want to trade Ivey?
Yeah again..I'm just making a point that media likes to say things about "1st rounders" and glorify then when back half of 1st round are garbage picks
Using a lottery pick to dump contracts you just signed a year earlier is not a good look on the front office
Most likely stretch and waive Noel and maybe even burks
I don’t get it, because of Reddish and now Keels? Hardly an affinity. If they also took Griffin in the first then yeah I could see that
Using a lottery pick to dump contracts you just signed a year earlier is not a good look on the front office
They didn’t though. Denver’s pick isn’t going to be in the lottery
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these protected 1sts the knicks got tonight end up being used to dump salary to open up room for Brunson.
Using a lottery pick to dump contracts you just signed a year earlier is not a good look on the front office
They didn’t though. Denver’s pick isn’t going to be in the lottery
I meant they used their lottery pick to acquire more protected picks in the future and use those picks to attach to the vets to help dump them on other teams .
The way Woj was talking he made it sound that was why the knicks wanted all these picks to help facilitate these trades
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these protected 1sts the knicks got tonight end up being used to dump salary to open up room for Brunson.
Using a lottery pick to dump contracts you just signed a year earlier is not a good look on the front office
They didn’t though. Denver’s pick isn’t going to be in the lottery
I meant they used their lottery pick to acquire more protected picks in the future and use those picks to attach to the vets to help dump them on other teams .
The way Woj was talking he made it sound that was why the knicks wanted all these picks to help facilitate these trades
Can't really blame them for his wrong assumption