Many of the recent Knicks rumors have lost some steam from a few days ago.
Do the Knicks put all their chips on the table, cutting a deal with the Kings for Jaden Ivey?
A possible Malcom Brogdon deal is said to not include the 11th pick.
Will the Knicks clear $25M in cap space to sign Jalen Brunson?
Where does Burks and Noel land if dealt?
Julius Randle is never in national trade rumors.
If NY stays at 11 and drafts AJ Griffin, how will he history of knee issues fair?
Dejounte Murray was rumored in a possible John Collins deal. This is something the Knicks should investigate.
A lot of Knicks fans on Twitter are down on Leon Rose and Co. Many stating that he is just taking care of CAA, family and friends.
We will have some more clarity in a few hours.
Beal and Levine are available lol
Think of how many more picks they can not make in the future. All these future protected firsts can be spun out into other future firsts.
I envision a day in which the only two teams that will be drafting are OKC and NYK.
@FredKatz
The Knicks say they will not hold any news conference following tonight’s draft or tomorrow. Leon Rose has not spoken on the record since before the 2021-22 season.
Fire this asshole. He's just as bad as Layden, Isiah, Phil and Mills. A long line of incompetence. Nice going, Dolan. You overpaid a bunch of incompetents to scorch earth your franchise.
Remind me again what he did to deserve being named president? Because he was a superagent? Whoopdeefreakingdoo. What does that even prove? It certainly doesn't mean he has an eye for talent. Did Dolan think that because Rose represented some of the top names that he would convince them to sign with New York?
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@FredKatz
The Knicks say they will not hold any news conference following tonight’s draft or tomorrow. Leon Rose has not spoken on the record since before the 2021-22 season.
Fire this asshole. He's just as bad as Layden, Isiah, Phil and Mills. A long line of incompetence. Nice going, Dolan. You overpaid a bunch of incompetents to scorch earth your franchise.
Oh I just hope for another Breen interview. So informative, so NATURAL.
Remind me again what he did to deserve being named president? Because he was a superagent? Whoopdeefreakingdoo. What does that even prove? It certainly doesn't mean he has an eye for talent. Did Dolan think that because Rose represented some of the top names that he would convince them to sign with New York?
I don't think you understand. He traded 1 pick at #11 for 3 that have a CHANCE to be as high as this one in 3 years. That's value.
You just need to be patient. It's a long term rebuild. At some point they'll use them to trade down again. And THEN they might consider using them, but only to clear out expiring contracts that they signed people to 2 years ago.
As fans we love the draft picks because the unknown element breeds hope. Fact is, for every 1 Shai Gilgous Alexander there are 4 or 5 average to below average players taken at the 11th overall pick. The NBA draft is more of a crap shoot than even the NFL draft it seems. The analytics show that picks outside of the top 7-8 really aren't that valuable
The average NBA career is also MUCH longer than an NFL career, so proven veteran players are much more valuable in the NBA than draft picks because you'll still have a rather long window with that player and they are much more of a guarantee.
Trading the #11 pick isn't awful if it means you cleared cap space to bring in a proven PG who we know will be a valuable piece for the next 5-7 years- the Knicks have needed that for years and IMO there wasn't a good PG in this draft after Ivey. They have RJ, Obi, Robinson, Quickley, Grimes, and McBride as a decent young core to build around and a good starting PG like Brunson (even if he's not considered a good #1 or #2 option) makes all of those guys better
Remind me again what he did to deserve being named president? Because he was a superagent? Whoopdeefreakingdoo. What does that even prove? It certainly doesn't mean he has an eye for talent. Did Dolan think that because Rose represented some of the top names that he would convince them to sign with New York?
You are so miserable. What would you have done? Draft one of these players at 11? You critize him not having an eye cor talent yet he has brought in Obi, IQ, Grimes, McBride, and Sims in the last two years. Have they missed on a pick yet?
As fans we love the draft picks because the unknown element breeds hope. Fact is, for every 1 Shai Gilgous Alexander there are 4 or 5 average to below average players taken at the 11th overall pick. The NBA draft is more of a crap shoot than even the NFL draft it seems. The analytics show that picks outside of the top 7-8 really aren't that valuable
The average NBA career is also MUCH longer than an NFL career, so proven veteran players are much more valuable in the NBA than draft picks because you'll still have a rather long window with that player and they are much more of a guarantee.
Trading the #11 pick isn't awful if it means you cleared cap space to bring in a proven PG who we know will be a valuable piece for the next 5-7 years- the Knicks have needed that for years and IMO there wasn't a good PG in this draft after Ivey. They have RJ, Obi, Robinson, Quickley, Grimes, and McBride as a decent young core to build around and a good starting PG like Brunson (even if he's not considered a good #1 or #2 option) makes all of those guys better
Using the number 11 pick to clear cap space to fix the mess YOU made is why they are getting criticism and it is very well warranted. Every single FA signing last season looks terrible in hindsight and to be honest most people said they were horrible at the time itself.
As far as the roster, they deserve tons of criticism for that as well. They have a majority of the roster are young players who are more talented then the older vets but are stuck scrambling for minutes either coming off the bench or getting DNP for a stubborn coach who cant adapt to the modern NBA.
This whole front office deserves every ounce of criticism they receive
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or getting DNP for a stubborn coach who cant adapt to the modern NBA.
While I agree the FO has been blundering but whenever I hear this nonsense that you stated above - you lunatics make me laugh. SO the prior year he is COY and now the next year he is a stubborn idiot?
Yeah him not giving those young guys those extra minutes really would've made a difference. Yeah right.
The problem is the players. Not the coach. The problem is some of you listen too much to the NY media who are near as dumb as Dolan.
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We have to stop with the Randle contract. He signed cheap coming off a career year.
Noo - "WE" don't. They blew it with him. They made the wrong move. They get paid to be right. Let's stop with the excuses.
I'm with you though that this year they can't do much. And please no Irving.
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We have to stop with the Randle contract. He signed cheap coming off a career year.
Noo - "WE" don't. They blew it with him. They made the wrong move. They get paid to be right. Let's stop with the excuses.
I'm with you though that this year they can't do much. And please no Irving.
And please no Brunson.
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or getting DNP for a stubborn coach who cant adapt to the modern NBA.
While I agree the FO has been blundering but whenever I hear this nonsense that you stated above - you lunatics make me laugh. SO the prior year he is COY and now the next year he is a stubborn idiot?
Yeah him not giving those young guys those extra minutes really would've made a difference. Yeah right.
The problem is the players. Not the coach. The problem is some of you listen too much to the NY media who are near as dumb as Dolan.
Thibs is a regular season coach. He plays for the regular season by playing his best players maximum amount of minutes and grinding them into dust as the season wears on. Rj got injured because of Thibs stupidity this past year where he was in the game with 15 seconds left and the game was over and ended up spraining his ankle.
The 1 thing i will give Thibs credit for is he squeezes every ounce out of his roster but that also causes him to wear out his welcome quickly as he did previously both with the Timberwolves and Bulls . What works in the beginning of his tenure gets tiring as he continues to coach and eventually players grow tired of him and tune out his message.
Thibs also is responsible for watching Randle Iso ball and watching him hijack the offense all season long grinding the offense to a halt while the rest of the roster plays best at a much faster pace.
LAst not but not least, Thibs hates playing young players . Obi was buried on the bench all season until the final few games where he started as Randle was " out " and he went off . Quickley looked much better at the end of the season when he was given more responsibility as lead guard. Mcbrride was buried on the bench all season. Even Rj who played a lot of minutes went through a lot of spurts during the game not touching the ball while Randle and Burks played their 2 man game and Thibs did nothing to stop it or have the ball go through Rj instead.
He had an awful season as head coach and frankly should have been fired for how bad of a job he did . Playing the young guys more minutes and giving them a more important role might not have gotten them more wins ( it might have though ) but it sure as hell would help with their player development as opposed to developing Burks , Noel, Walker, and all the other useless Vets while missing the playoffs anyway and ending up with the 11th pick that got the team nowhere .
So yeah i stand by what i said . Stubborn , hard headed coach who is lucky to still have a job and should enjoy it because he will never get another job again after this 1. I didnt even mention his refusal to try to go small at times with his insistence of always needing a lumbering big out there or his out of bounds plays or out of timeout plays
Forget about all that doing your job stuff for big ol' Leo. This is just taking care of and paying off your guys.
+infinity and beyooooond!!!
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People love downplaying this but I find this to be strangest thing. This isn’t why the Knicks are bad, but how does Leon Rose not do one legit presser or even interview in 2.5 years ? Very very odd.
I brought this up before, but nyguants16 loves to defend Rose.
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Surprised nobody mentions Mr. Mackey from South Park when looking for a Silver look alike.
The NBA is weird and gimmicky.
Rinse…repeat.
It’s funny to read people defend these picks like they are gold. If we are going with the thought that the talent in the second half of the first round isn’t very valuable, then these picks suck. At least for the next two drafts. The third year is a little better but those players are too far away for any GM to give a shit.
You guys are fooling yourselves. We’ll do nothing with these picks. Just like with all other other picks we’ve accumulated. I’m pretty confident on that. Wake me up when this FO does anything of any value.
It's basically Waiting for Godot.
So many bad turning points, very few good ones.
But they had shots to be good since then.
Donnie Walsh had a plan, was executing it, then LeBron pulled the "announce going to Miami from NY 'burbs" crap... and then scrambling ensued. Then the team was being built OK, then traded the farm for Melo when he was going to come the next offseason anyway. Just bad gambles over and over...
The clearing space thing worked back then, but there is no LeBron out there in the next few years than can change everything..
Using the number 11 pick to clear cap space to fix the mess YOU made is why they are getting criticism and it is very well warranted. Every single FA signing last season looks terrible in hindsight and to be honest most people said they were horrible at the time itself.
As far as the roster, they deserve tons of criticism for that as well. They have a majority of the roster are young players who are more talented then the older vets but are stuck scrambling for minutes either coming off the bench or getting DNP for a stubborn coach who cant adapt to the modern NBA.
This whole front office deserves every ounce of criticism they receive
I would love to say you’re wrong about all of this, but…
The most frustrating part for me is the coach and his unwillingness or inability to get the most out of these kids. My kingdom for Kenny Atkinson.
Eli...I am still at a loss as to what we are doing.
Fred Katz
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Knicks summary, per source:
TRADE 1
OKC receives: No 11
NYK receives:
2023 DEN 1st
2023 WAS 1st
2023 DET 1st
(all protected)
TRADE 2
CHA receives:
2023 DEN 1st (protected)
4 2nds
NYK receives:
No. 13
TRADE 3
DET receives:
Kemba
No 13
NYK receives:
2025 MIL 1st (protected)
Basically traded out of 1st round for cap space.
Jake Fischer
@JakeLFischer
Knicks get from OKC, per source:
2023 first rounder from DET that's 1-18 protected through 2024, 1-13 in '25, 1-11 in '26, 1-9 in 2027.
2023 first from WAS that's 1-14, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in '25, 1-8 in 2026.
2023 first from DEN, protected 1-14 through 2025.
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Are some knick fans completely over the top with how pathetic we are and blah blah blah, of course. But its really hard to look at last night as any sort of win.
They also dump Kemba and get $18 m in cap space which will allow signing a couple of FA.
I get why we are all frustrated with the Knicks.
Maybe once in our lifetime.....but not for awhile
They also dump Kemba and get $18 m in cap space which will allow signing a couple of FA.
Knicks still don't have enough cap space for Brunson, so those first round picks are very possibly going out the door in the next week attached to another bad vet contract.
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The first round, outlined.
Basically the #Knicks now own five first round picks in 2023. And opened up cap space to sign a free agent this July.
If we dont use these picks just to unload salary ill feel better about last night. But it sure sounds like we will use these picks to unload salary, ha.
This dumb FO has to attach draft picks to players they should never have signed in the first place. The idiot owner Dolan should have hired a competent GM like OKC's Presti to run the Knicks, but he'll never do that.
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To unload Noel/Burks somehow and now that teams know we put our eggs in one basket.. those first round picks will be demanded by these teams
This dumb FO has to attach draft picks to players they should never have signed in the first place. The idiot owner Dolan should have hired a competent GM like OKC's Presti to run the Knicks, but he'll never do that.
Agreed, we should have never brought back Burks, Rose and Noel on longer then one year deals. Maybe Noel earned a longer deal but we see how that worked out this year. Bad moves by bad front office personnel. They knew they wanted to resign Robinson this year, where did they think the money was going to come from?