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Jim in Forest Hills : 6/23/2022 11:54 am
So what did you all think?

For me it's "what could have been" with better writing and direction. Even with all its fan service I thought it was mostly boring and an action sequence that should have been incredibly exciting and moving was just ok.

You all enjoy the finale/show?
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KDubbs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 1:33 pm : link
Not Disney community, but Star Wars community.

Big difference.
More like  
RicFlair : 6/23/2022 1:36 pm : link
Obi Wan Jabroni, am I right?
RE: Giantology  
Giantology : 6/23/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15738906 Eric from BBI said:
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They did destroy his legacy.

His character arc was to redeem himself by protecting Luke. He failed. Reva saved him.


That's not really correct. He partially redeems this by making up for Luke by protecting Leia and he also forced Reva into her ultimate downfall by bringing Vader to her. Another part of his arc was getting over the events of the PT and the massacre of the Jedi. But, you didn't watch the show, so I don't expect you to agree or understand
Netflix is a sham with garbage IPs  
Spiciest Memelord : 6/23/2022 1:37 pm : link
Disney+ has the two stalwart tentpole huge rabid fanbase IPs in Marvel and Star Wars that should rather easily be generating them a lot of viewers and money, under an even semi-competent management. They paid billions for them after all. Apples and oranges.
RE: KDubbs  
Ben in Tampa : 6/23/2022 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15738908 Eric from BBI said:
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Not Disney community, but Star Wars community.

Big difference.


To be fair, the Star Wars community hates everything now.

Obi-Wan numbers have been fine, third biggest on Disney+ I think?

My opinion stands, I thought it was a big whiff. The biggest mistake they made was putting the twins in the show.
Just to revisit some of your comments, Eric:  
Giantology : 6/23/2022 1:44 pm : link
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I had
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/1/2022 12:05 pm : link
a feeling that intent was to destroy Obi-wan, like they did with Luke. If that's where this is going, I'm not watching it.

It's stunning how many franchises have been handed off to people who hate the original story material and just want to wreck the franchise.


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rich in DC
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2022 1:56 pm : link
I understand what you are saying, but the writers don't have that kind of talent. I'm telling you right now, the intent is to deconstruct Obi-wan. To the point where you won't even think he is the same aging man you see again in a New Hope.


That is certainly not the case at the conclusion of the finale.
Ben in Tampa  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 1:49 pm : link
Of course they do. Because Disney has wrecked it.

You keep alleging bias here, but the bias seems to be to defend everything Disney does. I haven't watched the series, but I've seen videos breaking down the series and it is embarrassing.

Again, you don't have to believe me. There is reason why the stock is tanking.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really liked it.  
blright : 6/23/2022 1:49 pm : link
I agree that the story conflicts with A New Hope.

But as a stand-alone series, I thought it was a fun and less hokey than the prequels. Plus more Darth Vader!
Giantology  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 1:49 pm : link
Again, they did destroy the character.

You and I disagree.
I just hate all the self-inflicted wounds  
Giantfan in skinland : 6/23/2022 1:54 pm : link
Focusing so much on little Leia makes ANH seem strange and raises the question (mentioned above) why the Empire just allowed her to be when they know kidnapping her brought Obi-Wan out of hiding.

Just thinking about it for a moment...using some of the same elements...they could have avoided these gaps and done a story along these lines:

Show opens with inquisitors hunting a jedi on tatooine. The jedi spots Obi Wan and approaches him. They then have the same kind of "forget it/its over" interaction. Despite this, Obi Wan starts watching the Jedi from a distance, still torn over whether to intervene or not. He then sees people from the Path help the Jedi and has his eyes opened to the fact that there are more Jedi out there than he realized, people are resisting, and the inquisitors are hunting force sensitive children. A "Little leia" character (that just isn't leia) is kidnapped and despite his misgiving, Obi Wan gets involved and through this has the same re-awakening or purpose. This quest can result in the same finale run-in (just one) with Vader, but it should end with Vader believing Obi-Wan is dead (and in a way that is believably ambiguous and not requiring Vader to simply say, "eh, that's probably good enough"). I'd skip the Reva story line (though no problem with the angry inquisitor aspect) and she should definitely not learn about Luke. Nobody should. Obi-wan returns to tatooine to go into hiding, but active hiding, as we see him helping the path grow.

Eric From BBI  
Ben in Tampa : 6/23/2022 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15738926 Eric from BBI said:
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Of course they do. Because Disney has wrecked it.

You keep alleging bias here, but the bias seems to be to defend everything Disney does. I haven't watched the series, but I've seen videos breaking down the series and it is embarrassing.

Again, you don't have to believe me. There is reason why the stock is tanking.


I’m not alleging any bias. I pointed out Dave at the UWS thinks casting a black female is some sort of woke agenda, which says more about him than it does about anyone at Disney.

I didn’t like the show, I thought it was bad. I didn’t defend Star Wars, in fact I trashed it a few posts up. I don’t disagree it’s been almost entirely terrible since Disney bought it.

I am not defending Disney of anything. All I did was point out facts that it was the third biggest show on the service.

We all know you are more the alternative facts type of guy though.
Ben in Tampa  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 2:20 pm : link
If I misinterpreted your comments, I apologize.

Have you seen Disney+s catalog? There is hardly anything on there except for Star Wars and Marvel so saying it is third is actually an indictment.

Not even sure what your last comment means.
Almost everything is fake agenda and narrative nowadays  
Spiciest Memelord : 6/23/2022 2:25 pm : link
people losing money is one of the few real things we have left.
I enjoyed it  
LTPS5611 : 6/23/2022 2:33 pm : link
The fight was cool to watch, both using the force and not just light sabers. Loved the scene of Obi-Wan speaking to Leia at the end about her parents, her theme playing. Maybe because I’m adopted, though I have no interest in finding the donors. After his helmet is cracked, hearing his voice going from Hayden to James Earl Jones was awesome.

Vader’s line in Episode IV, “A tremor in the force. The last time I felt it was in the presence of my old master.” It got me thinking. Do they meet again over the next 10 yrs? I’m not sure why he would call Palpatine his old master. I think he might mean his old master is Obi-Wan.
RE: Giantology  
barens : 6/23/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15738906 Eric from BBI said:
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They did destroy his legacy.

His character arc was to redeem himself by protecting Luke. He failed. Reva saved him.

Not ideological at all. Disney doesn't understand Star Wars cannon at all. It doesn't matter to them.

The people who like this drivel are simply happy with anything labeled Star Wars without concern about what came before.

Beyond all that, it was poorly acted. The story lines made no sense. Action scenes were comical and the CGI was terrible.

The #s will prove me out. It was a failure.


The Mandolorian and Boba Fett were well liked, I think the last 3 movies were more a product of JJ Abrahms not doing a great job. As far as Marvel goes, I mean their success speaks for itself.
barens  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 3:44 pm : link
The Mandalorian pulled me back in. I watched it because my son told me it was so good. I thought they had finally figured it out.

Fett was completely out of character...even the actor playing him said so publicly.

The rumors on Obi-Wan ended up all being true.

There is some sort of weird "thing" in corporate America now where it's "smart business" to piss on the base that made a franchise successful in the first place. It's almost as if they assume those people will watch regardless of how bad the product is, and they think by attracting new customers, they will grow the market.

When the opposite occurs, they can't seem to figure out why?

Who knew that bad story-telling, convoluted plots that don't make sense, destroying cannon/characters, bad acting causes issues?

From what I understand, Reva concocted a plot based on information that she could not have possibly known or how individuals would possibly react to achieve a pre-planned outcome. And you guys seem to be OK with that? It's like people are turning off their brains.

RE: barens  
Jim in Forest Hills : 6/23/2022 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15739068 Eric from BBI said:
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There is some sort of weird "thing" in corporate America now where it's "smart business" to piss on the base that made a franchise successful in the first place. It's almost as if they assume those people will watch regardless of how bad the product is, and they think by attracting new customers, they will grow the market.


I don't think this is true. If pissing off the base is the concern then why all the fan service? Callbacks to so many Star Wars moments like "Hello There!" I think the bigger issue is trying to please everyone and make the most money. And in doing so delivering a diluted product. Even with all that Mandalorian showed it could work, I just think Deborah Chow and the writers shit the bed.
lol at the Reva defenders  
Spiciest Memelord : 6/23/2022 4:04 pm : link
I mean I know its something to say but they're obviously not "true" Star Wars fans and watches too many Disney owned news outlets.

She's a terrible villian/quasi-villian. She seems like someone you see on the bus irl rather than a Star Wars villian, who needs a cool ominous character design, costume, mask/makeup, effects etc., Yes Star Wars works at that basic level, its a space opera, Buck Rogers/Flash Gordon with a better budget. Probably a perfectly fine actor for a Hallmark after school special otherwise I guess.
Jim in Forest Hills  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 4:07 pm : link
Disney Star Wars opening attacks its fan base on Twitter.

Look, they knew they had a dog on their hands.

Before episode one was released, they tweeted out that anyone who didn't like the show was a racist.

It's not just a Disney thing, "toxic fandom" has become the new narrative used by companies who can't accept criticism (most of it justified).

In a nutshell, these companies hate their customers. They just want them to shut up and give up their $$$.
Can't solely gang up on Disney  
Spiciest Memelord : 6/23/2022 4:14 pm : link
the Toney "music" thread reminds me that Eric's point of corporations trying to destroy everything is not just a Disney Star Wars thing. Listening to older music compared to now, forget about it, you can't compare.

And movies just watching The Thing recently and you can't escape the feeling that they'll never be able to make movies like that anymore. And lol at the remake!
I think what's been identified as 'wokism'  
wigs in nyc : 6/23/2022 4:16 pm : link
might be more accurately described as bald capitalism. Plainly looking to play the customer base and demographics game - who didn't expect this?

It's cynical, and has nothing to do with art, of course. It sucks.

If you are still looking to Star Wars to satisfy the itch of high-quality story telling, you're off the mark. I can take it for what it is at this point, and am still able to derive a certain amount of enjoyment from it - but I'm not asking too much from it at all either.

Dune, I think, was done very well. These things should only be movies.
RE: Jim in Forest Hills  
Giantology : 6/23/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15739107 Eric from BBI said:
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Disney Star Wars opening attacks its fan base on Twitter.

Look, they knew they had a dog on their hands.

Before episode one was released, they tweeted out that anyone who didn't like the show was a racist.

It's not just a Disney thing, "toxic fandom" has become the new narrative used by companies who can't accept criticism (most of it justified).

In a nutshell, these companies hate their customers. They just want them to shut up and give up their $$$.


Matt M literally posted that Kathleen Kenney should be shot... that's not toxic? And you are claiming that the company hates their customers. It's just nonsense and it's obvious where your own bias is coming from.

And again, the people arguing you about this on the thread, none of them are waving their pom poms cheering this series on... the reception here has been lukewarm, but not nearly as bad as a select few of you have made it out to be.
I just finished the last episode. I like the series - not great, but  
Ira : 6/23/2022 4:27 pm : link
as good as a lot of what's on tv these days.
"Woke Agenda" is really being overused at this point.  
Jint 77 : 6/23/2022 4:36 pm : link
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RE: I think what's been identified as 'wokism'  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15739132 wigs in nyc said:
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might be more accurately described as bald capitalism. Plainly looking to play the customer base and demographics game - who didn't expect this?

It's cynical, and has nothing to do with art, of course. It sucks.

If you are still looking to Star Wars to satisfy the itch of high-quality story telling, you're off the mark. I can take it for what it is at this point, and am still able to derive a certain amount of enjoyment from it - but I'm not asking too much from it at all either.

Dune, I think, was done very well. These things should only be movies.


Who said "high quality" story telling. I'm just talking about basic solid storytelling that doesn't seem to have been created by a first-year film student.
Giantology  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 4:39 pm : link
With all due respect, you're getting close to getting banned. You keep accusing me of some sort of political bias here. Even it were true, your statements are not allowed. To be frank, I've run this site too long to put up with people like you.

Star Wars does hate their fan base. They repeatedly make comments on social media and on virtual setups that come back to haunt them. It's as if maladjusted 20-year olds are running the communications department.
RE: I think what's been identified as 'wokism'  
Spiciest Memelord : 6/23/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15739132 wigs in nyc said:
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might be more accurately described as bald capitalism. Plainly looking to play the customer base and demographics game - who didn't expect this?

It's cynical, and has nothing to do with art, of course. It sucks.

If you are still looking to Star Wars to satisfy the itch of high-quality story telling, you're off the mark. I can take it for what it is at this point, and am still able to derive a certain amount of enjoyment from it - but I'm not asking too much from it at all either.

Dune, I think, was done very well. These things should only be movies.


It makes sense from a dopes in suits exec and marketing department perspective, hell throw in lawyers. Try to appeal to the broadest demographic and make the most money.

Of course it doesn't make sense from the perspective of artistic and storytelling perspective and devotional fan perspective. A mule is a horse designed by committee.
Where  
RicFlair : 6/23/2022 4:49 pm : link
are the accusations of political bias?
sadly  
RasputinPrime : 6/23/2022 4:50 pm : link
i really really hated the series. A few carefully chosen easter eggs can't get past what this was. We all know what it is and why. If you hate it, stand up and vote with your wallet.

I share a Disney+ account with family. I've told them that when - not if - Disney gets around to preventing us from sharing the account, i'm out.

The death of critical thinking is a tragedy.
RE: Where  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15739172 RicFlair said:
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are the accusations of political bias?


He knows what he's doing... the "alternative facts" quip...the "it's obvious where your own bias is coming from"... he thinks he's being cute.
I must keep missing  
RicFlair : 6/23/2022 5:16 pm : link
The alternative facts quip. Was much easier back when I viewed on my PC and could use ctrlF to search the page.
RE: RE: Where  
Giantology : 6/23/2022 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15739179 Eric from BBI said:
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are the accusations of political bias?



He knows what he's doing... the "alternative facts" quip...the "it's obvious where your own bias is coming from"... he thinks he's being cute.


Actually, that was Ben who called out the alternative facts quip.

And I was trying to make a genuine point, but I didn't come to battle politics or bring out the ban hammer. I won't push you on it again, because I don't want to get personal or cross that line and I do appreciate the years and service of your life that has gone into BBI. May the Force be with you, and Go Giants ✌️
Giantology  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 5:35 pm : link
Agreed. Appreciate you taking the high ground.
RE: RE: RE: Where  
RicFlair : 6/23/2022 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15739216 Giantology said:
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In comment 15739179 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 15739172 RicFlair said:


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are the accusations of political bias?



He knows what he's doing... the "alternative facts" quip...the "it's obvious where your own bias is coming from"... he thinks he's being cute.



Actually, that was Ben who called out the alternative facts quip.

And I was trying to make a genuine point, but I didn't come to battle politics or bring out the ban hammer. I won't push you on it again, because I don't want to get personal or cross that line and I do appreciate the years and service of your life that has gone into BBI. May the Force be with you, and Go Giants ✌️



Lol explains why I couldn’t find it. I was literally reading your posts a bunch of times. Like damn I haven’t even smoked yet.
Started off bad, finished meh  
RickJames : 6/23/2022 6:40 pm : link
Leia, a 10yr old child, running from the kidnappers was bad.
Then she's telling General Kenobi what to do, nonsense.
Kenobi sneaks her out of the Inquisitor's base under a trenchcoat, ridiculous!

At least toward the end Kenobi's arc had him gain some respectability back. But it just took too long. And why didn't he finish off Vader, a Sith who is hunting and murdering the remaining Jedi?

Overall, series was both boring and entertaining. And predictable.

Reva was a crap character. Her being the youngling in the opening was obvious, her arc was even more obvious; yet she is still a brutal (over the top) murderer that we should somehow feel sorry for now?

And the Grand Inquisitor, what the F? He gets stabbed, pops up later, and acts like a cuck.

Is Qui-Gon the only one who gets stabbed and has to become a force ghost?

That said, I would watch a 2nd season. Leai snuck out of a base swarming with guards under a trenchcoat and I just said I would watch a 2nd season. I guess that's what being a NY Football Giants fan does to a man.
RE: RE: Giantology  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2022 7:02 pm : link
In comment 15739034 barens said:
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The Mandolorian and Boba Fett were well liked, I think the last 3 movies were more a product of JJ Abrahms not doing a great job.

The Mandalorian is great but The Book of Boba Fett was far from well liked. I thought it was decent but most did not like it.
Giantology  
Matt M. : 6/23/2022 7:17 pm : link
You are right to call me out for the comment about Kathleen Kennedy. It was childish and an exaggerated and unnecessary statement. I obviously am not truly advocating any harm to her other than she be immediately removed from anything to do with Star Wars.
I agree with Eric's take on this show and Disney in general.  
Matt M. : 6/23/2022 7:35 pm : link
I watched the whole series. My initial reaction to the huge plot holes and inconsistencies was strong, but it waned a bit by the end of the season. The more I thought about it, Lucas himself created huge plot holes with his prequels with Anakin being from Tatooine and creating C3P0, for example. That still doesn't diminish my distaste for Disney's continues disdain for the original stories, characters, and long time fans.

I'm sorry, but that gratuitous "hello there" wasn't weak. Were they pandering to fans or was it more "here, take this bone" after we shoved crap at you for nearly 6 full episodes. As if that line makes up for trampling on Obi-Wan and ANH.

Likewise, Reva's redemption wasn't a redemption of sorts for Obi-Wan. It was stupid. She never should have known about Luke. Period. It was an obvious end to her arc, but another unnecessary loose end. And, Obi-Wan NEVER would have left Luke. Not even for Leia. He was unwavering about that. From the past materials (I'm not sure if some of it is the "new" canon or not), he was steadfast in his role of protecting Luke from afar. But, he also never remained due to fear or self-doubt or self-pity. Obi-Wan remained a true Jedi in mind and spirit, which is why he was so stubbornly dedicated to his job. It's also why he was training from the start. The prequels only enhanced that story by inserting Qui-Gon. He never had to let Anakin go for this. He had already done that, or at least was not hung up on it.

The final battle with Vader was the best part of the show. This is especially true of the dialogue between them after he smashed the helmet. But, it never should have happened. They never met after ROTS until ANH. Vader was never left a broken shell of himself after his first defeat. I'm not saying it's not possible that something like that would have further fueled his rage. It likely would have. But, it also would have driven him to search for Obi-Wan.

Lastly, Disney. I don't buy the "woke culture" argument per se. I think that's overblown. But, I will say Disney's pre-emptive comment about any criticism being the result of racism and/or misogyny is just really weak and BS. All criticism of the show or Reva is invalid simply because she is a Black female? It's not possible to not like the character or think the story sucks or think her acting was bad just on the "merit" of the work? That's just nonsense.

Time and again, Disney has shown they have no interest or love for the Star Wars stories or characters. They do love, however, the franchise because they know they can churn out shows and movies and they have a guaranteed audience. Why? Because as much as I criticize this show or the sequels or Book of Boba Fett (another crapfest), I'm likely to watch the next one because I love Star Wars and my boys love Star Wars. And they know it.
Even the smashed helmet scene  
Spiciest Memelord : 6/23/2022 8:06 pm : link
was from Clone Wars. That's somehow the worse thing about this show, like it clearly shows how creatively bankrupt they are oh and these peasants won't notice.
Old school SW fan here with nuanced view  
Festina Lente : 6/23/2022 8:28 pm : link
Re obiwan there are things i like and things i didn't.

Didn't like the casting of the ex tingling. Her acting didn't convince me at all. I thought it was weird that obiwan became super strong overnight after being weak af and rusty for all long. Not supposed to work like that (esp. With lightsaber duel skills that require constant honing).

Don't think anyone should know about Luke and still be alive.

I liked the Leia girl. Liked the dark themes (not as awful as usual disney diluted sw), HC coming back, fight scene, etc. There were a few things that didn't make sense (but tbh that happened in the movies as well).

I thought the animated series's and rogue one were the two best thing to happen to sw since the prequels. The last trilogy broke my heart. After the ep 8 i called SW DEAD and I still cant bring myself to watch ep9 (i liked to pretend that entire story never happened).

Overall, I'm still glad i watched this particular series.
RE: Old school SW fan here with nuanced view  
Matt M. : 6/23/2022 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15739433 Festina Lente said:
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Re obiwan there are things i like and things i didn't.

Didn't like the casting of the ex tingling. Her acting didn't convince me at all. I thought it was weird that obiwan became super strong overnight after being weak af and rusty for all long. Not supposed to work like that (esp. With lightsaber duel skills that require constant honing).

Don't think anyone should know about Luke and still be alive.

I liked the Leia girl. Liked the dark themes (not as awful as usual disney diluted sw), HC coming back, fight scene, etc. There were a few things that didn't make sense (but tbh that happened in the movies as well).

I thought the animated series's and rogue one were the two best thing to happen to sw since the prequels. The last trilogy broke my heart. After the ep 8 i called SW DEAD and I still cant bring myself to watch ep9 (i liked to pretend that entire story never happened).

Overall, I'm still glad i watched this particular series.
I hated Ep 8, but I still forced myself to watch Ep 9 hoping it would right that wrong. I don't know how, but it actually made it worse.

I will still sit and watch any of the original trilogy films if I stumble upon them. The prequels probably not, or at least not a whole film. I will never watch Ep 7-9 again.
RE: Just to revisit some of your comments, Eric:  
rich in DC : 6/24/2022 12:13 am : link
In comment 15738922 Giantology said:
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I had
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/1/2022 12:05 pm : link
a feeling that intent was to destroy Obi-wan, like they did with Luke. If that's where this is going, I'm not watching it.

It's stunning how many franchises have been handed off to people who hate the original story material and just want to wreck the franchise.






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rich in DC
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2022 1:56 pm : link
I understand what you are saying, but the writers don't have that kind of talent. I'm telling you right now, the intent is to deconstruct Obi-wan. To the point where you won't even think he is the same aging man you see again in a New Hope.



That is certainly not the case at the conclusion of the finale.


And since you are referencing my debate with Eric, no matter how Eric is trying to spin this, I was correct in the end.

The character redemption arc was NEVER about Luke- it was about Obi-wan. A fundamental issue that Eric has consistently missed about Obi-wan is that Eric believes he was some sort of all-powerful Master Jedi who was unflappable no matter what happened.

That ignores reality. Obi-wan went from training the most powerful Jedi many had ever seen and was his best friend, to watching helplessly as that best friend betrayed him and the entire Jedi order- almost wiping out the entire order in the process. He watched his friend’s wife die in childbirth of a broken heart. He thought he killed his best friend to save the galaxy- and then went into exile.

If one stops for a minute and REALLY thinks about it, NO ONE would go through all that and come out strong and unfazed. Look at the troops who came home from Afghanistan and Iraq- HUGE numbers of them still suffer from PTSD and other disorders from what they went through. They often need to find a new purpose and reason to go forward.

THAT is what this series was about. Obi-wan was suffering from PTSD from the blows in Revenge of the Sith- and needed to find his way forward. The series traced that journey from him being a shell of his former self to true Jedi Master who found his new role in a galaxy without the Jedi. Only then could he hear Qui-Jon and see what he needed to do to prepare for Luke coming of age and preparing the path.

To think that Obi-wan would simply have no mental stresses from the betrayals and loss is to deny reality and human nature. This series did not destroy his image- it made it stronger - he was effectively melted down and reforged into a stronger Jedi- but he needed to hit bottom first.
RE: Reva was a crap character  
Trainmaster : 6/24/2022 12:58 am : link
Agree 100%

For me, the few really good scenes allowed me to overlook the inconsistencies in the plot lines (which at times were terrible).

Why couldn’t they have Obi Wan use some “Jedi mind trick” to make Leia forgot him.

I liked the Leia arc, but thought the Luke arc was I unnecessary. Overall, the Vader scenes were very good.

RE: RE: Reva was a crap character  
Scooter185 : 6/24/2022 8:48 am : link
In comment 15740067 Trainmaster said:
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Agree 100%

For me, the few really good scenes allowed me to overlook the inconsistencies in the plot lines (which at times were terrible).

Why couldn’t they have Obi Wan use some “Jedi mind trick” to make Leia forgot him.

I liked the Leia arc, but thought the Luke arc was I unnecessary. Overall, the Vader scenes were very good.


Owen and Beru's death in ANH never really meant much to me before, I have a feeling that's going to change now after the finale
This series was completely, utterly STUPID  
GiantSteps : 6/24/2022 10:17 am : link
Every scene crammed to the gills with WTF levels of dumbitude. Every. Damn. Scene. I can’t even begin to list all the wanton acts of idiocy in this show because there are so many…it’s the whole damn thing.
When the high point of the series is: “hey they managed to open the show with a minute long summary of only the key bits of the prequels. If you watch this, you can skip the prequels entirely. That’s cool.”…the show sucks.
Dumber than the prequels or sequels, dumber than Book of Boba Fett (except for the two cool Mando episodes, which were also not without problems), the stink of the crappiness is all over this one.

Kathleen Kennedy has had an incredible career, and there is so much she should be recognized for in the film industry. But she is not right for the Star Wars gig. The franchise just keeps getting worse under her watch, with a a couple notable exceptions.
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Micko : 6/24/2022 11:56 am : link
Just my two cents. The Reva character / story arc was ridiculous. She saved Luke by not killing him? She killed/tortured/hunted Jedi to seek revenge on Vader - all a secret plan? On top of that - it was terribly acted.

Overall - I did enjoy the last episode w/ respect to Vader/Obi-Wan. The rest was just shite.
RE: Jim in Forest Hills  
TommyWiseau : 6/24/2022 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15739107 Eric from BBI said:
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Disney Star Wars opening attacks its fan base on Twitter.

Look, they knew they had a dog on their hands.

Before episode one was released, they tweeted out that anyone who didn't like the show was a racist.

It's not just a Disney thing, "toxic fandom" has become the new narrative used by companies who can't accept criticism (most of it justified).

In a nutshell, these companies hate their customers. They just want them to shut up and give up their $$$.


I could not agree more. At work I literally said the actor player Reva is a C level actor and someone called me a racist for having a.ln opinion on ones acting ability. Mind you this is the same guy who loved episode 7, 8 and 9 and thought Han dying was great TV
lol Lightyear bombed  
Spiciest Memelord : 6/25/2022 12:13 pm : link
looking forward to more firings at Disney and stock tanking.
My wife and  
bluesince56 : 6/25/2022 8:29 pm : link
I liked it
I think it had some great moments and some poor moments.  
Andy in Halifax : 6/26/2022 1:33 pm : link
I would have liked Kenobi to stop Reva via negotiation but that's a nitpick. I don't think another fight was necessary, but he could have started to become the wise old sage in that scene. Missed opportunity imo.

Overall, the story felt clunky at times but I def enjoyed it overall. Partly because my son really liked it and THAT is what Star Wars truly is about.

Btw, the final Vader/Kenobi battle was excellent. I thought they laid the seeds for Darth pulling his punched a bit because the shard of Anakin remains (when Vader dropped the rocks on Kenobi in that pit, he said "you have failed, master"... master). That was later echoed in the brief exchange between Palpatine and Vader.

Of course, the mask part was great too.

I would have preferred either a much younger Leia or no Leia in the story at all but the little girl was adorable and captured her spirit quite well I think.

Def some areas that were a big miss but I enjoyed this more than any of the sequel movies.
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