So what did you all think?
For me it's "what could have been" with better writing and direction. Even with all its fan service I thought it was mostly boring and an action sequence that should have been incredibly exciting and moving was just ok.
You all enjoy the finale/show?
He knows what he's doing... the "alternative facts" quip...the "it's obvious where your own bias is coming from"... he thinks he's being cute.
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are the accusations of political bias?
He knows what he's doing... the "alternative facts" quip...the "it's obvious where your own bias is coming from"... he thinks he's being cute.
Actually, that was Ben who called out the alternative facts quip.
And I was trying to make a genuine point, but I didn't come to battle politics or bring out the ban hammer. I won't push you on it again, because I don't want to get personal or cross that line and I do appreciate the years and service of your life that has gone into BBI. May the Force be with you, and Go Giants ✌️
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In comment 15739172 RicFlair said:
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are the accusations of political bias?
He knows what he's doing... the "alternative facts" quip...the "it's obvious where your own bias is coming from"... he thinks he's being cute.
Actually, that was Ben who called out the alternative facts quip.
And I was trying to make a genuine point, but I didn't come to battle politics or bring out the ban hammer. I won't push you on it again, because I don't want to get personal or cross that line and I do appreciate the years and service of your life that has gone into BBI. May the Force be with you, and Go Giants ✌️
Lol explains why I couldn’t find it. I was literally reading your posts a bunch of times. Like damn I haven’t even smoked yet.
Then she's telling General Kenobi what to do, nonsense.
Kenobi sneaks her out of the Inquisitor's base under a trenchcoat, ridiculous!
At least toward the end Kenobi's arc had him gain some respectability back. But it just took too long. And why didn't he finish off Vader, a Sith who is hunting and murdering the remaining Jedi?
Overall, series was both boring and entertaining. And predictable.
Reva was a crap character. Her being the youngling in the opening was obvious, her arc was even more obvious; yet she is still a brutal (over the top) murderer that we should somehow feel sorry for now?
And the Grand Inquisitor, what the F? He gets stabbed, pops up later, and acts like a cuck.
Is Qui-Gon the only one who gets stabbed and has to become a force ghost?
That said, I would watch a 2nd season. Leai snuck out of a base swarming with guards under a trenchcoat and I just said I would watch a 2nd season. I guess that's what being a NY Football Giants fan does to a man.
The Mandolorian and Boba Fett were well liked, I think the last 3 movies were more a product of JJ Abrahms not doing a great job.
The Mandalorian is great but The Book of Boba Fett was far from well liked. I thought it was decent but most did not like it.
I'm sorry, but that gratuitous "hello there" wasn't weak. Were they pandering to fans or was it more "here, take this bone" after we shoved crap at you for nearly 6 full episodes. As if that line makes up for trampling on Obi-Wan and ANH.
Likewise, Reva's redemption wasn't a redemption of sorts for Obi-Wan. It was stupid. She never should have known about Luke. Period. It was an obvious end to her arc, but another unnecessary loose end. And, Obi-Wan NEVER would have left Luke. Not even for Leia. He was unwavering about that. From the past materials (I'm not sure if some of it is the "new" canon or not), he was steadfast in his role of protecting Luke from afar. But, he also never remained due to fear or self-doubt or self-pity. Obi-Wan remained a true Jedi in mind and spirit, which is why he was so stubbornly dedicated to his job. It's also why he was training from the start. The prequels only enhanced that story by inserting Qui-Gon. He never had to let Anakin go for this. He had already done that, or at least was not hung up on it.
The final battle with Vader was the best part of the show. This is especially true of the dialogue between them after he smashed the helmet. But, it never should have happened. They never met after ROTS until ANH. Vader was never left a broken shell of himself after his first defeat. I'm not saying it's not possible that something like that would have further fueled his rage. It likely would have. But, it also would have driven him to search for Obi-Wan.
Lastly, Disney. I don't buy the "woke culture" argument per se. I think that's overblown. But, I will say Disney's pre-emptive comment about any criticism being the result of racism and/or misogyny is just really weak and BS. All criticism of the show or Reva is invalid simply because she is a Black female? It's not possible to not like the character or think the story sucks or think her acting was bad just on the "merit" of the work? That's just nonsense.
Time and again, Disney has shown they have no interest or love for the Star Wars stories or characters. They do love, however, the franchise because they know they can churn out shows and movies and they have a guaranteed audience. Why? Because as much as I criticize this show or the sequels or Book of Boba Fett (another crapfest), I'm likely to watch the next one because I love Star Wars and my boys love Star Wars. And they know it.
Didn't like the casting of the ex tingling. Her acting didn't convince me at all. I thought it was weird that obiwan became super strong overnight after being weak af and rusty for all long. Not supposed to work like that (esp. With lightsaber duel skills that require constant honing).
Don't think anyone should know about Luke and still be alive.
I liked the Leia girl. Liked the dark themes (not as awful as usual disney diluted sw), HC coming back, fight scene, etc. There were a few things that didn't make sense (but tbh that happened in the movies as well).
I thought the animated series's and rogue one were the two best thing to happen to sw since the prequels. The last trilogy broke my heart. After the ep 8 i called SW DEAD and I still cant bring myself to watch ep9 (i liked to pretend that entire story never happened).
Overall, I'm still glad i watched this particular series.
Didn't like the casting of the ex tingling. Her acting didn't convince me at all. I thought it was weird that obiwan became super strong overnight after being weak af and rusty for all long. Not supposed to work like that (esp. With lightsaber duel skills that require constant honing).
Don't think anyone should know about Luke and still be alive.
I liked the Leia girl. Liked the dark themes (not as awful as usual disney diluted sw), HC coming back, fight scene, etc. There were a few things that didn't make sense (but tbh that happened in the movies as well).
I thought the animated series's and rogue one were the two best thing to happen to sw since the prequels. The last trilogy broke my heart. After the ep 8 i called SW DEAD and I still cant bring myself to watch ep9 (i liked to pretend that entire story never happened).
Overall, I'm still glad i watched this particular series.
I will still sit and watch any of the original trilogy films if I stumble upon them. The prequels probably not, or at least not a whole film. I will never watch Ep 7-9 again.
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a feeling that intent was to destroy Obi-wan, like they did with Luke. If that's where this is going, I'm not watching it.
It's stunning how many franchises have been handed off to people who hate the original story material and just want to wreck the franchise.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/3/2022 1:56 pm : link
I understand what you are saying, but the writers don't have that kind of talent. I'm telling you right now, the intent is to deconstruct Obi-wan. To the point where you won't even think he is the same aging man you see again in a New Hope.
That is certainly not the case at the conclusion of the finale.
And since you are referencing my debate with Eric, no matter how Eric is trying to spin this, I was correct in the end.
The character redemption arc was NEVER about Luke- it was about Obi-wan. A fundamental issue that Eric has consistently missed about Obi-wan is that Eric believes he was some sort of all-powerful Master Jedi who was unflappable no matter what happened.
That ignores reality. Obi-wan went from training the most powerful Jedi many had ever seen and was his best friend, to watching helplessly as that best friend betrayed him and the entire Jedi order- almost wiping out the entire order in the process. He watched his friend’s wife die in childbirth of a broken heart. He thought he killed his best friend to save the galaxy- and then went into exile.
If one stops for a minute and REALLY thinks about it, NO ONE would go through all that and come out strong and unfazed. Look at the troops who came home from Afghanistan and Iraq- HUGE numbers of them still suffer from PTSD and other disorders from what they went through. They often need to find a new purpose and reason to go forward.
THAT is what this series was about. Obi-wan was suffering from PTSD from the blows in Revenge of the Sith- and needed to find his way forward. The series traced that journey from him being a shell of his former self to true Jedi Master who found his new role in a galaxy without the Jedi. Only then could he hear Qui-Jon and see what he needed to do to prepare for Luke coming of age and preparing the path.
To think that Obi-wan would simply have no mental stresses from the betrayals and loss is to deny reality and human nature. This series did not destroy his image- it made it stronger - he was effectively melted down and reforged into a stronger Jedi- but he needed to hit bottom first.
For me, the few really good scenes allowed me to overlook the inconsistencies in the plot lines (which at times were terrible).
Why couldn’t they have Obi Wan use some “Jedi mind trick” to make Leia forgot him.
I liked the Leia arc, but thought the Luke arc was I unnecessary. Overall, the Vader scenes were very good.
For me, the few really good scenes allowed me to overlook the inconsistencies in the plot lines (which at times were terrible).
Why couldn’t they have Obi Wan use some “Jedi mind trick” to make Leia forgot him.
I liked the Leia arc, but thought the Luke arc was I unnecessary. Overall, the Vader scenes were very good.
Owen and Beru's death in ANH never really meant much to me before, I have a feeling that's going to change now after the finale
When the high point of the series is: “hey they managed to open the show with a minute long summary of only the key bits of the prequels. If you watch this, you can skip the prequels entirely. That’s cool.”…the show sucks.
Dumber than the prequels or sequels, dumber than Book of Boba Fett (except for the two cool Mando episodes, which were also not without problems), the stink of the crappiness is all over this one.
Kathleen Kennedy has had an incredible career, and there is so much she should be recognized for in the film industry. But she is not right for the Star Wars gig. The franchise just keeps getting worse under her watch, with a a couple notable exceptions.
Overall - I did enjoy the last episode w/ respect to Vader/Obi-Wan. The rest was just shite.
Look, they knew they had a dog on their hands.
Before episode one was released, they tweeted out that anyone who didn't like the show was a racist.
It's not just a Disney thing, "toxic fandom" has become the new narrative used by companies who can't accept criticism (most of it justified).
In a nutshell, these companies hate their customers. They just want them to shut up and give up their $$$.
I could not agree more. At work I literally said the actor player Reva is a C level actor and someone called me a racist for having a.ln opinion on ones acting ability. Mind you this is the same guy who loved episode 7, 8 and 9 and thought Han dying was great TV
Overall, the story felt clunky at times but I def enjoyed it overall. Partly because my son really liked it and THAT is what Star Wars truly is about.
Btw, the final Vader/Kenobi battle was excellent. I thought they laid the seeds for Darth pulling his punched a bit because the shard of Anakin remains (when Vader dropped the rocks on Kenobi in that pit, he said "you have failed, master"... master). That was later echoed in the brief exchange between Palpatine and Vader.
Of course, the mask part was great too.
I would have preferred either a much younger Leia or no Leia in the story at all but the little girl was adorable and captured her spirit quite well I think.
Def some areas that were a big miss but I enjoyed this more than any of the sequel movies.