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Klaatu : 6/23/2022 12:18 pm
Leonard Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Azeez Ojulari on New Defensive Scheme.

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John Schmeelk chats with Leonard Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Justin Ellis, Azeez Ojulari, Oshane Ximines, and Jihad Ward about how they are adjusting to the Giants new defensive scheme.
00:00 Start
00:38 Leonard Williams
08:20 Dexter Lawrence
15:02 Justin Ellis
17:33 Azeez Ojulari
25:07 Oshane Ximines
27:04 Jihad Ward

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thanks  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 12:35 pm : link
for breaking down the video!
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Klaatu : 6/23/2022 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15738842 Eric from BBI said:
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for breaking down the video!


It was already broken down. I just copied and pasted it.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15738846 Klaatu said:
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In comment 15738842 Eric from BBI said:


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for breaking down the video!



It was already broken down. I just copied and pasted it.


OK, now I'm not as impressed. You should have played along.
BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 12:41 pm : link
where the heck in the next "Giant Life" video?
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Klaatu : 6/23/2022 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15738848 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15738846 Klaatu said:


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In comment 15738842 Eric from BBI said:


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for breaking down the video!



It was already broken down. I just copied and pasted it.



OK, now I'm not as impressed. You should have played along.


I couldn't take credit for someone else's work. That would be unethical.
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Toth029 : 6/23/2022 12:54 pm : link
On Dexter Lawrence right now, and he does mention being inside at the nose now.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 12:56 pm : link
In comment 15738861 Toth029 said:
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On Dexter Lawrence right now, and he does mention being inside at the nose now.


Interesting. I'll have to listen now.
also interesting  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 1:01 pm : link
Leonard Williams says Wink is aggressive on every snap, not just when defenses usually think it is OK to be aggressive. Has a gambler's approach.
He thinks  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 1:02 pm : link
opponents are going to have to run a lot of screens and draws.
Williams  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 1:24 pm : link
also said the offense is doing a "lot of freaky things."
Williams  
Semipro Lineman : 6/23/2022 1:28 pm : link
also mentioned how Wink's scheme will generate a lot of one on ones. Damnit, someone needs to strangle the DC for only getting one on ones...
#1 take-away  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/23/2022 1:53 pm : link
from this interview?

The depth chart will be virtually meaningless.
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Toth029 : 6/23/2022 2:32 pm : link
In comment 15738936 Eric from BBI said:
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from this interview?

The depth chart will be virtually meaningless.


It's glorious. I can't wait to see these guys in the preseason. Granted it will be vanilla, but I'm excited. Fully expect Schoen go nab a FA corner or two when cuts hit.
Really enjoyed listening to Leonard Williams ...  
Manny in CA : 6/23/2022 2:43 pm : link
This might sound absolutely crazy, but it's like listening to Jimi Hendrix' voice.
Agreed depth chart  
SCGiantsFan : 6/24/2022 7:47 am : link
will mean nothing.

Jihad Ward, is an interesting listen as with his other interviews I have heard. He seems to be a very focused person and helping the other guys to get to where they need to be. Not really interested in rookie hazing, he wants to win games, thats the focus and goal.

Training camp will be fun to see how things play out
As we’ve said for months, Ward will be a key guy.  
Big Blue Blogger : 6/24/2022 8:26 am : link
He’s not a star, and never will be. But his understanding of so many positions in Martindale’s defense should reduce breakdowns and speed up the learning process for his teammates. He’ll play a lot early on. Ideally, his role should be a bit less prominent as his teammates gain confidence in the scheme.
Of course the Bettcher Caveat applies to Jihad Ward.  
Big Blue Blogger : 6/24/2022 8:37 am : link
Kareem Martin and, subsequently, Antoine Bethea and Markus Golden were supposed to ease the defense’s growing pains too.
RE: Of course the Bettcher Caveat applies to Jihad Ward.  
Klaatu : 6/24/2022 8:46 am : link
In comment 15740187 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Kareem Martin and, subsequently, Antoine Bethea and Markus Golden were supposed to ease the defense’s growing pains too.


I think the difference is that Ward sees his role as more of a mentor, less as a player. He seems intent on getting his teammates up to speed, making sure they're studying their playbooks, and so forth. I was kind of indifferent when the Giants signed him. Meh...another unexceptional player, but he came cheap. In retrospect, I figure Wink pushed to get him signed, and to me it's easy to see why.
RE: #1 take-away  
SGMen : 6/25/2022 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15738936 Eric from BBI said:
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from this interview?

The depth chart will be virtually meaningless.
In today's NFL, the coaches must understand their players talents and their oppositions strengths / weaknesses from WEEK to WEEK and therefore rotate guys and move guys accordingly to create mis-matches IF possible. That is how I see it.
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Angel Eyes : 6/25/2022 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15741230 SGMen said:
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In comment 15738936 Eric from BBI said:


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from this interview?

The depth chart will be virtually meaningless.

In today's NFL, the coaches must understand their players talents and their oppositions strengths / weaknesses from WEEK to WEEK and therefore rotate guys and move guys accordingly to create mis-matches IF possible. That is how I see it.

Hmm; Judge said he'd be doing that and didn't.
RE: Of course the Bettcher Caveat applies to Jihad Ward.  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/25/2022 11:37 pm : link
In comment 15740187 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Kareem Martin and, subsequently, Antoine Bethea and Markus Golden were supposed to ease the defense’s growing pains too.


You can't have going pains when your DOA. The Betcher hire may have not have been the only reason Schumur failed but that guy was a huge part of it.
RE: RE: Of course the Bettcher Caveat applies to Jihad Ward.  
Angel Eyes : 6/26/2022 7:34 am : link
In comment 15741337 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 15740187 Big Blue Blogger said:


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Kareem Martin and, subsequently, Antoine Bethea and Markus Golden were supposed to ease the defense’s growing pains too.



You can't have going pains when your DOA. The Betcher hire may have not have been the only reason Schumur failed but that guy was a huge part of it.

What were we looking for in Bettcher?
RE: #1 take-away  
Klaatu : 6/26/2022 8:15 am : link
In comment 15738936 Eric from BBI said:
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from this interview?

The depth chart will be virtually meaningless.


Will it though?

There's still going to be a hierarchy within each defensive unit. Individual roles and responsibilities may change from play to play depending on variables such as field position, down and distance, or offensive personnel, but I still think you have to differentiate between a starter - a player who gets the majority of snaps - and a depth (or role) player, who plays situationally, be it as a run-stuffer, pass-rusher, or additional DB.
The depth chart, even at this early stage, tells who the key guys are.  
Big Blue Blogger : 6/26/2022 5:27 pm : link
Williams, Lawrence, Thibodeaux, Ojulari, Martinez (if healthy), Jackson, and McKinney are the core, and the defense will struggle without strong contributions from most of them. A.Robinson, Love, and maybe Scott are important too, but probably less indispensable.

So, ten of the putative starters on defense are legitimately key players. Eric is right, though, that the depth chart can mislead us in other ways. For one, Justin Ellis is a “starter”, but nobody will mistake his importance for that of say, Leonard Williams. Tae Crowder is running with the 1s as well, and many fans can’t to see his name on a waiver list.

Closer to Eric’s point, the fluidity of roles in Martindale’s defense muddies the relationship between starters and backups. Ward is the best example. Nominally, he may back up Thibodeaux on the strong side; but he’s going to play more than the backup label suggests, and many of those reps will be alongside KT, not in place of him.

RE: also interesting  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/26/2022 5:47 pm : link
In comment 15738872 Eric from BBI said:
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Leonard Williams says Wink is aggressive on every snap, not just when defenses usually think it is OK to be aggressive. Has a gambler's approach.


Going to be some good highs and some bad lows.
RE: The depth chart, even at this early stage, tells who the key guys are.  
Angel Eyes : 6/26/2022 5:47 pm : link
In comment 15741634 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Williams, Lawrence, Thibodeaux, Ojulari, Martinez (if healthy), Jackson, and McKinney are the core, and the defense will struggle without strong contributions from most of them. A.Robinson, Love, and maybe Scott are important too, but probably less indispensable.

So, ten of the putative starters on defense are legitimately key players. Eric is right, though, that the depth chart can mislead us in other ways. For one, Justin Ellis is a “starter”, but nobody will mistake his importance for that of say, Leonard Williams. Tae Crowder is running with the 1s as well, and many fans can’t to see his name on a waiver list.

Closer to Eric’s point, the fluidity of roles in Martindale’s defense muddies the relationship between starters and backups. Ward is the best example. Nominally, he may back up Thibodeaux on the strong side; but he’s going to play more than the backup label suggests, and many of those reps will be alongside KT, not in place of him.

I'm skeptical of the fluidity of roles; Graham's defense was an "amoeba", supposed to be changing shape and alignment based on matchups, but they couldn't build depth and kept shoving players into roles they weren't built for.
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Del Shofner : 6/26/2022 6:02 pm : link
Wink's D strikes me as a lot more aggressive than Graham's. Whether it will work IDK but I think they have pretty different styles.
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