What the Knicks did last night:
NYK trades 11th pick to OKC
OKC trades 3 firsts (23 DEN, DET, WASH) to NYK
NYK then trades 23 DEN, 4 seconds to CHA for 13th pick
NYK then trade 13th pick & Kemba Walker to DET for MKE's 25 first
NYK trades 11, Kemba, 4 2nds & gets 3 future 1sts
Pick Protections:
'25 MKE Protected 1-4
'23 DET Protected 1-18 => '24 Protected 1-18 => '25 Protected 1-13 => '26 Protected 1-11 => '27 Protected 1-9 or Second Rounder
'23 WAS Protected 1-14 => '24 Protected 1-12 => '25 Protected 1-10 => '26 Protected 1-8 => '27 Second Round Pick
Second Round
Knicks select (F)Trevor Keels, Duke at #42.
Cause they probably promised to pay Brunson
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have committed to Brunson (obviously) and now are handcuffed in terms of what else they can do. Why wouldn’t they be all over Murray?
Cause they probably promised to pay Brunson
Do you think they pinky promised?
Evan Roberts doesnt bring up the Nets when bad things are happening with them, only when good things happen
And the talk is this would mean Durant to the Suns.
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Because they want to keep their draft capital mostly dry to have the means to go after the next superstar that becomes available. If you trade essentially your next ~5 or so drafts and pay him $40M/year you're going to have a tough time putting together an appealing offer when the time comes to get *the* guy
Are we sure Murray is that much better than Brunson? Why give up a ton of assets for Murray when you can just sign Brunson outright?
They are same age, Murray has better PER, Brunson has better TS% and they are about equal in terms of WS and WS/48
i'm a nova guy and have followed brunson dating back to his HS days. He's an absolute warrior and a true culture guy. He won't let teammates half ass it. brunson 4/100 is not a bad deal at all.
And the talk is this would mean Durant to the Suns.
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Still think there is more than just Brunson in the works
They'd have to match salary. I doubt Mitchell forces his way out this offseason, I'm thinking next is more likely but if he did something like Burks, Noel, Toppin, Reddish and a ton of picks would work under the cap.
Like could we trade picks for Mitchell, sign Brunson and extend RJ?
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They'd have to match salary. I doubt Mitchell forces his way out this offseason, I'm thinking next is more likely but if he did something like Burks, Noel, Toppin, Reddish and a ton of picks would work under the cap.
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They'd have to match salary. I doubt Mitchell forces his way out this offseason, I'm thinking next is more likely but if he did something like Burks, Noel, Toppin, Reddish and a ton of picks would work under the cap.
Ainge will want ALL of the picks. And when it comes to our picks, he's gonna want unprotected picks and swaps.
Ainge will want ALL of the picks. And when it comes to our picks, he's gonna want unprotected picks and swaps.
True but the Knicks will have *some* leverage because no team that would be in on Mitchell (IE OKC) can offer the kind of draft capital the Knicks can
This guy is so delusional and selfish.
I still need to see it to believe it but it really does look like the Lakers are his only potential destination.
He doesn't do deals unless they're vastly weighed in his favor.
He also has no reason to trade Mitchell. Mitchell's making 30-37 million a year in Utah and he's signed long term. He has to make a mess of his situation and demand a trade first.
He also has no reason to trade Mitchell. Mitchell's making 30-37 million a year in Utah and he's signed long term. He has to make a mess of his situation and demand a trade first.
Mitchell demanding a trade would be the precursor for sure. It's a star-driven league, if he wants out he can get out
I don't think Mitchell vs. Murray is even close. Brunson and Murray is much closer imo and the advanced stats agree (not that they're perfect). Murray is a really good player but he can't shoot which makes it much more challenging to build a contender around him (great fit with Trae though). Even prime Russell Westbrook had a higher eFG% than Murray.
I like mitchell so im not saying he sux, but all the numbers seem pretty close, again unless you are pulling like career stats.
What about Randle for Zubac (partially guaranteed but likely would be guaranteed before a deal was done, 2 days, an expiring deal after the season), Reggie Jackson and extremely underrated (and from Brooklyn) Terrence Mann?
Mann this year 11 and 5 with 3 assists 48% from the field 37% from 3 78% from the line career .122 WS/48
They would still be able to sign Brunson + open minutes up for Obi.
I like mitchell so im not saying he sux, but all the numbers seem pretty close, again unless you are pulling like career stats.
I was comparing Brunson to Murray although not quite fair since both players have improved every year in the league and Murray's got an extra season under his belt. I was specifically referring to WS and ORtg/DRtg although it's hard to compare the two given the usage delta.
CP3 is a significantly better fit with Booker and KD than Kyrie would be.
I could see CP3 fall off a cliff real soon, but if he has another year or two then he’s the perfect PG to play with those two lethal scorers.
That said it doesnt sound like we are in on that so it prolly doesnt matter, ha.
That said it doesnt sound like we are in on that so it prolly doesnt matter, ha.
meant to say he has been in the league awhile, but has taken a big step the last couple years.
That said it doesnt sound like we are in on that so it prolly doesnt matter, ha.
I agree I think Murray is a little better given what we know right now but I can see why Knicks brass would rather Brunson at $25M per + all their firsts vs Murray at $40M per while giving up 3-4 1sts and a few pick swaps
Apparently that's part of the rationale for the trade, he's eligible for a max extension next summer which I'm sure any acquiring team is going to give him rather than have him hit FA although you never know in the nba
I bet he realized he's not getting paid anywhere else and will wait to hit the market next year
Wonder if Durant thinks he is wasting another year in Brooklyn?
I bet KD sticks around now too. Or doesn't. Let's see what side of the bed he wakes up on tomorrow.
Brunson played 1691 minutes on the court with Luka last year, and 1463 minutes without Luka on the court. Here are Brunson's per75 Possession stats with and without Luka on the court last year (including RS + Playoffs). Why per75 possessions? It's a more natural looking comparison to a player who plays about 36ish minutes per game, rather than the per100 possession stats which are hard to put into context.
w/ Luka --- 16.6 PTS/75 -- 3.7 AST/75 -- 1.3 TO/75 -- .556 eFG% -- .407 3P% -- .590 TS%
w/o Luka -- 24.9 PTS/75 -- 7.4 AST/75 -- 2.3 TO/75 -- .527 eFG% -- .323 3P% -- .566 TS%
Pretty damn solid numbers for Brunson when Luka is off the court. He picks up the scoring volume bigtime and does a fantastic job of limiting turnovers. His scoring efficiency does drop from above-average to literally league average, because he doesn't get those wide open catch-n-shoot 3s he gets with Luka on the floor. 41% from 3 with Luka to 32% from 3 without Luka. When Luka's on the floor, 91% of Brunson's made 3s are assisted. When Luka is off the floor and Brunson has the ball in his hands more, 64% of his made 3s are assisted.
But overall, those are some pretty solid numbers for Brunson without Luka on the court. Not sure if transitioning from a role player in Dallas around Luka to one of "the main guys" in NY will have an intangible effect on him, but he certainly has some real potential as an offensive player if he gets more consistent with his off-the dribble 3pt shot. His FT% and catch-n-shoot 3P% suggest he's a pretty good shooter with potential.
Brunson played 1691 minutes on the court with Luka last year, and 1463 minutes without Luka on the court. Here are Brunson's per75 Possession stats with and without Luka on the court last year (including RS + Playoffs). Why per75 possessions? It's a more natural looking comparison to a player who plays about 36ish minutes per game, rather than the per100 possession stats which are hard to put into context.
w/ Luka --- 16.6 PTS/75 -- 3.7 AST/75 -- 1.3 TO/75 -- .556 eFG% -- .407 3P% -- .590 TS%
w/o Luka -- 24.9 PTS/75 -- 7.4 AST/75 -- 2.3 TO/75 -- .527 eFG% -- .323 3P% -- .566 TS%
Pretty damn solid numbers for Brunson when Luka is off the court. He picks up the scoring volume bigtime and does a fantastic job of limiting turnovers. His scoring efficiency does drop from above-average to literally league average, because he doesn't get those wide open catch-n-shoot 3s he gets with Luka on the floor. 41% from 3 with Luka to 32% from 3 without Luka. When Luka's on the floor, 91% of Brunson's made 3s are assisted. When Luka is off the floor and Brunson has the ball in his hands more, 64% of his made 3s are assisted.
But overall, those are some pretty solid numbers for Brunson without Luka on the court. Not sure if transitioning from a role player in Dallas around Luka to one of "the main guys" in NY will have an intangible effect on him, but he certainly has some real potential as an offensive player if he gets more consistent with his off-the dribble 3pt shot. His FT% and catch-n-shoot 3P% suggest he's a pretty good shooter with potential.
These are great numbers but will the Knicks use him the same way Dallas has when Luka is out.
The offense is gear to run through Luka and Brunson basically used in the Luka role in his absence.
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A lot of underrating of Brunson on here
Pretty sure most of the people commenting on him and underrating him are just looking at stats and have never actually watched him play.
Pretty sure people that are overrating him are looking at his stats and just don't understand that you can't just pluck numbers in with all players and assume that will lead to a good number of wins.