What the Knicks did last night:
NYK trades 11th pick to OKC
OKC trades 3 firsts (23 DEN, DET, WASH) to NYK
NYK then trades 23 DEN, 4 seconds to CHA for 13th pick
NYK then trade 13th pick & Kemba Walker to DET for MKE's 25 first
NYK trades 11, Kemba, 4 2nds & gets 3 future 1sts
Pick Protections:
'25 MKE Protected 1-4
'23 DET Protected 1-18 => '24 Protected 1-18 => '25 Protected 1-13 => '26 Protected 1-11 => '27 Protected 1-9 or Second Rounder
'23 WAS Protected 1-14 => '24 Protected 1-12 => '25 Protected 1-10 => '26 Protected 1-8 => '27 Second Round Pick
Second Round
Knicks select (F)Trevor Keels, Duke at #42.
We added no players, just picks and once again, too many to actually use. It only makes sense that they are stock piling for a trade.
The really bad news is the only disgruntled star that looks to be on the move is the lunatic Kyrie.
Frustrating to once again have delayed gratification. We better actually get someone with this cap space for once
Are you mad because presumably going after Brunson?
Are you mad because you loved Kemba?
Was their a guy on the board you wanted?
I just see all this outrage and for what?
More then likely we are going to have to use our newly acquired picks to dump more cap space. At this point id trade Reddish to anyone willing to take him without picks attached. He is not a good basketball player
Yeah i get it..Its not that i am positive, i am neutral right now, i am trying to wait for it to play out..
It is time for this front office to take a swing and if all this is a precursor to that, than fantastic but if its not snd its the same team plus brunson i am going to be pissed..
Now if they get rid of Randle, Burks and Noel and its Brunson and the kids, then awesome..
I am just waiting haha
Are you mad because presumably going after Brunson?
Are you mad because you loved Kemba?
Was their a guy on the board you wanted?
I just see all this outrage and for what?
People expressed their thoughts on the other thread. And you were an active participant in the thread. I read what their concerns are. Why are you asking again?
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Are you mad aimply because they didnt get anyone?
Are you mad because presumably going after Brunson?
Are you mad because you loved Kemba?
Was their a guy on the board you wanted?
I just see all this outrage and for what?
People expressed their thoughts on the other thread. And you were an active participant in the thread. I read what their concerns are. Why are you asking again?
I just saw a bunch of people conplaining, was trying to consolidate the pain 😊
Are you mad because presumably going after Brunson?
Are you mad because you loved Kemba?
Was their a guy on the board you wanted?
I just see all this outrage and for what?
I have never seen so much anger about not taking a player in a weak draft and a guy that 90% of the fans have no clue who they are other than watching highlight films and reading scouting reports. its not like they passed on the next ja morant
Clearing money is great, but the best players have shown time and again they don't want to sign with the Knicks for many reasons, including they don't want to work for Dolan.
Agreed, i wonder if a Brogdon deal is still in the works where they take Randle and a salary for Brogdon
I'll keep saying this. This draft sucked. Put names to the picks. Who did we miss out on? This build up to the draft was littered with comments how the players at 11 would be nothing more than role players. We got 2 additional picks to trade down and then got rid of Kemba on a swap of firsts. No, this is nothing to be jumping up and down about but the constant bitching from Knicks fans about everything is unbearable. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They have made dumbass moves forever like getting Antonio McDysse (sp?). We have always had to dig out of a huge hole with no assets for a chance to sign big name FAs that never come. This regime brings in Obi, IQ, Grimes, McBride, Sims and has loaded up on picks. We are in great position to make a move. The problem Knicks fans have is the move hasn't been made yet. And, as I asked in the other thread, what NBA moves were made that the Knicks really missed out on? The last couple of years have been pretty quiet. I also stated the ones that I discussed with my friend were Haliburton, Ball, and Derozen. But, seriously, are any of those players worth going all in for? No. They just would have made us slightly better.
Knicks fans don't want to hear it but patience is a virtue right now. If big name players were being moved the last two years and this regime sat on their ass then fine. The problem is that fans have waited decades and want something done yesterday. Nothing they did deserves huge praise but on the flip side, nothing they've done deserves to be shit on. Nothing that happened last night was changing this franchise around and that includes Ivey. Multiple moves still need to be made.
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Are you mad aimply because they didnt get anyone?
Are you mad because presumably going after Brunson?
Are you mad because you loved Kemba?
Was their a guy on the board you wanted?
I just see all this outrage and for what?
I have never seen so much anger about not taking a player in a weak draft and a guy that 90% of the fans have no clue who they are other than watching highlight films and reading scouting reports. its not like they passed on the next ja morant
Who says it’s a weak draft? The Knicks FO has no clue on how to build a team.
Essentially they traded the 11th pick last night for 3 firsts, 2 of which are in 2023, a better draft than last night.
They also saved $14mm which will be used towards Jalen Brunson’s offer.
Its a smart plan…provided they get Brunson.
Miami did this last year with OKC.
Also the 23 draft is supposed to be loaded, teams may take the risk to acquire one of these 23 picks just at the chance to have another pick in this draft
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In comment 15740149 nygiants16 said:
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Are you mad aimply because they didnt get anyone?
Are you mad because presumably going after Brunson?
Are you mad because you loved Kemba?
Was their a guy on the board you wanted?
I just see all this outrage and for what?
I have never seen so much anger about not taking a player in a weak draft and a guy that 90% of the fans have no clue who they are other than watching highlight films and reading scouting reports. its not like they passed on the next ja morant
Who says it’s a weak draft? The Knicks FO has no clue on how to build a team.
So who did you want them to take? Remeber the Knicks already have 8 players under 24 that are going to need and want playing time..Who were you taking?
You would be bitching that the team still sucks, they essentially did what Presti has done for the past couple of years, acquire a ton of firsts..
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Instead, we have a CAA flunky and his associated menagerie of grifters callin' the shots. Thanks Dolan...
You would be bitching that the team still sucks, they essentially did what Presti has done for the past couple of years, acquire a ton of firsts..
Exactly!
It’s awful that we spend hours watching and come away not having a clue on what happened until the reporters can finally get some clarity and fill us in the following day. And don’t get me started on the ridiculousness of the pick protections. So even when you hear that your team is getting future 1sts, you still have no idea if they will even be able to use them. The entire event and process is just a confusing mess.
This was not an exciting draft to me. Granted, I don't know shit, but there are much worse things than kicking the can.
I do believe that this is a solid (yes, unspectacular) group of young players on the roster. The key to unlocking their potential is taking the ball out of Randle's hands (hopefully trading him) and getting it into a capable, smart, tough lead guard like Brunson.
It's pretty clear now that there was no realistic path to the Knicks getting Ivey. Based on how aggressive they were with both Sacramento and Detroit it stands to reason that the only way they could've gotten it done was to risk everything. Fans would be an uproar if that happened...
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Instead, we have a CAA flunky and his associated menagerie of grifters callin' the shots. Thanks Dolan...
You would be bitching that the team still sucks, they essentially did what Presti has done for the past couple of years, acquire a ton of firsts..
Don't tell me what I would or wouldn't be doing douchebag. Get your tongue out of your Uncle Leon's arsehole.
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Instead, we have a CAA flunky and his associated menagerie of grifters callin' the shots. Thanks Dolan...
You would be bitching that the team still sucks, they essentially did what Presti has done for the past couple of years, acquire a ton of firsts..
Don't tell me what I would or wouldn't be doing douchebag. Get your tongue out of your Uncle Leon's arsehole.
😀 good one
So apparently, expiring deals are not easy to move because last night they traded a 9 million dollar player for 4 second rounders and a pick swap.
And we traded a #11 pick for 2 (I know it was 3 but we flipped one) that probably won't ever be as high as the pick that we traded them for. Combine that with the fact that the one thing this front office has shown that it's actually good at, drafting players, didn't happen last night.
The fans want to see a plan. Or at least make sense of something. We got more of the same "keeping our powder dry for when a star becomes available."
But basically it boils down to the thinking that this front office is paralyzed by indecision on players so they are constantly kicking the can down the road.
I do believe that this is a solid (yes, unspectacular) group of young players on the roster. The key to unlocking their potential is taking the ball out of Randle's hands (hopefully trading him) and getting it into a capable, smart, tough lead guard like Brunson.
Won't happen if Thibs is still the coach though.
If Rose thinks Brunson is some type of large contract star, then we are in way worse shape than we think we are, and that’s saying something.
Bottom line is, you can’t just keep punting year over year in hopes of landing something. They basically have spent the last 2 drafts on no players. That is absolutely pathetic.
So apparently, expiring deals are not easy to move because last night they traded a 9 million dollar player for 4 second rounders and a pick swap.
And we traded a #11 pick for 2 (I know it was 3 but we flipped one) that probably won't ever be as high as the pick that we traded them for. Combine that with the fact that the one thing this front office has shown that it's actually good at, drafting players, didn't happen last night.
The fans want to see a plan. Or at least make sense of something. We got more of the same "keeping our powder dry for when a star becomes available."
But basically it boils down to the thinking that this front office is paralyzed by indecision on players so they are constantly kicking the can down the road.
It was 3 picks though because they got one back in return for trading one that they got. It should tell you all you need to know about how teams viewed this draft class that all it took to get 13 was one of the 3 picks we got for 11 and some second rounders.
I agree though that the plan needs to become apparent sooner rather than later but the draft is really only the appetizer to the offseason. Now through the middle of July is really the main course so we have to see how the next few weeks play out.
They also got the Bucks 2025 top 4 protected pick
If Rose thinks Brunson is some type of large contract star, then we are in way worse shape than we think we are, and that’s saying something.
Bottom line is, you can’t just keep punting year over year in hopes of landing something. They basically have spent the last 2 drafts on no players. That is absolutely pathetic.
They got no players last year?
If Rose thinks Brunson is some type of large contract star, then we are in way worse shape than we think we are, and that’s saying something.
Bottom line is, you can’t just keep punting year over year in hopes of landing something. They basically have spent the last 2 drafts on no players. That is absolutely pathetic.
They traded down last year and then took Grimes. Here are the list of players taken between their original pick and Grimes:
Keon Johnson, Isaiah Jackson, Usman Garuba, Josh Christopher. Who did they miss out on by trading down?
Montero came into this past season as a hyped prospect, but it’s hard to see how his set of tools turns into an NBA starter
worthy of a first-round pick. His margin for error at this level of size and strength is essentially zero in a modern NBA that
prizes perimeter length. He’s a questionable shooter and has some flaws that lead to inefficient play. In a league with a mix of
long-term NBA prospects and lower-level college-quality prospects where he was among the oldest and most developed players,
Montero was good when he dominated the ball, but didn’t really stand out at an elite level because of his lack of efficiency.
He posted a 50.1 true-shooting percentage, a reflection of him not quite looking levels above the competition like many
expected. Montero is a top-60 player for me just because he becomes interesting if the shooting off the bounce ever pans out.
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The reporting I saw is we ended up with 3 firsts, not 2. 3 in from OKC, 1 out to CHA for Duren, then 1 more back in from DET for Duren.
They also got the Bucks 2025 top 4 protected pick
That's the one they got from DET.
Yeah but that's still 3 firsts. It's a slightly worse pick (most likely barring a Greak Freak injury) but it's really not significantly worse if Jamal Murray (and to a lesser extent MPJ) is back healthy this year as expected.
Everything makes sense, but only if both of those things actually happen. We need to actually get Brunson with this cap space. And we need to turn these picks into star level players. You have to figure that Rose knows he needs to make the big deal he’s been brought here to make in the next year or so. Dolan won’t be patient forever. If he can’t get it done, Dolan will find someone else who can.
Are you mad because presumably going after Brunson?
Are you mad because you loved Kemba?
Was their a guy on the board you wanted?
I just see all this outrage and for what?
I am mad because there is no real precedent set of the Knicks making wise decisions in the last decade. They make moves with no real positive outcome. There is no evidence that they hire capable executives who have a vision for team-building. Why would anyone trust anything that the Knicks do at this point? It never works out. The players that matter won’t come here, the players we want to leave turn into albatrosses. We have a terrible owner. We make the playoffs once in awhile on a fluke giving us hope only to settle right back into the cycle of misery. Nothing here is sustainable and nothing we did tonight will likely matter.
Why am I a fan then right? I’ve followed the Knicks as a kid throughout the ‘90’s. It’s too late for me to swap. But I have gone from an active fan to merely passively following them these days. The league is set up for teams with multiple star players to rise. The Knicks have zero players that can make a real difference or lead this team. Until they get some, who even knows when, they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt on anything they do. They just haven’t proven they remotely know what they are doing.