What the Knicks did last night:
NYK trades 11th pick to OKC
OKC trades 3 firsts (23 DEN, DET, WASH) to NYK
NYK then trades 23 DEN, 4 seconds to CHA for 13th pick
NYK then trade 13th pick & Kemba Walker to DET for MKE's 25 first
NYK trades 11, Kemba, 4 2nds & gets 3 future 1sts
Pick Protections:
'25 MKE Protected 1-4
'23 DET Protected 1-18 => '24 Protected 1-18 => '25 Protected 1-13 => '26 Protected 1-11 => '27 Protected 1-9 or Second Rounder
'23 WAS Protected 1-14 => '24 Protected 1-12 => '25 Protected 1-10 => '26 Protected 1-8 => '27 Second Round Pick
Second Round
Knicks select (F)Trevor Keels, Duke at #42.
Everything makes sense, but only if both of those things actually happen. We need to actually get Brunson with this cap space. And we need to turn these picks into star level players. You have to figure that Rose knows he needs to make the big deal he’s been brought here to make in the next year or so. Dolan won’t be patient forever. If he can’t get it done, Dolan will find someone else who can.
Don't be surprised if some of those picks have to be attached to players to clear more cap space though.
Putting together that Jrue Holiday package for Dejounte Murray sure is a little easier today though than it was yesterday. Just saying!
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Clearing space to sign Brunson because he’s the best available PG in FA.
Everything makes sense, but only if both of those things actually happen. We need to actually get Brunson with this cap space. And we need to turn these picks into star level players. You have to figure that Rose knows he needs to make the big deal he’s been brought here to make in the next year or so. Dolan won’t be patient forever. If he can’t get it done, Dolan will find someone else who can.
Don't be surprised if some of those picks have to be attached to players to clear more cap space though.
They can get to Brunson space using the stretch provision at this point and I bet Burks has pretty much neutral value (maybe it takes a second round pick). I doubt they're going to use 1sts to move off other contracts unless the plan extends further than just Brunson. They're at about $20M now already.
Brunson and Mitchell would be an excellent pairing
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if they don't land Brunson then this looks farcical. There is no planet it's Brogdon and realistic fans are cool with it.
Putting together that Jrue Holiday package for Dejounte Murray sure is a little easier today though than it was yesterday. Just saying!
Well yeah, Murray is an excellent player lol I'll rephrase...if they don't land a BIG-TIME player thanks to this move... Brunson, Murray etc then it's a LOLKNICKS moment, and don't give me "well now they have ammo for next off-season", they are clearly trying to win now, the asset accumulation stuff makes sense when you're tanking for Victor, not when you're trying to be a top 3-5 seed. If It's a Brogdon (or worse) type at PG this season, I don't see how anybody can be happy about this FO other than "well they have some decent young players" which we could have said... 2 years ago.
Clearing cap space reportedly for Jalen Brunson, who played several years in the league, and had one good season. Julius Randle had an excellent season 2 years ago, now he and his contract are considered negative assets. It doesn't help that Brunson is the team president's godson and the organization just hired his father. A hefty nepotism contract is not the answer for this roster that lacks talent.
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Are you mad aimply because they didnt get anyone?
Are you mad because presumably going after Brunson?
Are you mad because you loved Kemba?
Was their a guy on the board you wanted?
I just see all this outrage and for what?
I am mad because there is no real precedent set of the Knicks making wise decisions in the last decade. They make moves with no real positive outcome. There is no evidence that they hire capable executives who have a vision for team-building. Why would anyone trust anything that the Knicks do at this point? It never works out. The players that matter won’t come here, the players we want to leave turn into albatrosses. We have a terrible owner. We make the playoffs once in awhile on a fluke giving us hope only to settle right back into the cycle of misery. Nothing here is sustainable and nothing we did tonight will likely matter.
Why am I a fan then right? I’ve followed the Knicks as a kid throughout the ‘90’s. It’s too late for me to swap. But I have gone from an active fan to merely passively following them these days. The league is set up for teams with multiple star players to rise. The Knicks have zero players that can make a real difference or lead this team. Until they get some, who even knows when, they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt on anything they do. They just haven’t proven they remotely know what they are doing.
Well said. What a contrast between how Dolan deals with the Rangers and he he deals with the Knicks. I feel great about the Rangers' future, but feel the exact opposite about the Knicks. The good thing about Dolan is that he's appeared to have taken a step back lately. We know what happened last year after the Tom Wilson incident to end the season with the Rangers. Dolan got involved and firings ensued. This thing of theirs, the CAA Cosa Nostra, has taken over the NYKs. Knicks fans have been patient for 20 years and will continue to be so if there was competent leadership involved. Leon Rose is a farce, always has been. If a guy like Sam Presti were leading the charge and given carte blanche to do what needs to be done, then Knicks fans would feel a lot differently, but alas, that isn't the case.
Clearing cap space reportedly for Jalen Brunson, who played several years in the league, and had one good season. Julius Randle had an excellent season 2 years ago, now he and his contract are considered negative assets. It doesn't help that Brunson is the team president's godson and the organization just hired his father. A hefty nepotism contract is not the answer for this roster that lacks talent.
How did they trade 3 1sts?
What player(s) can take the Knicks from where they are to a legit contender?
I don't think it exists.
That’s true but if that’s the case why bother telling anyone they shouldn’t be mad? It seems like the Knicks and the Knick fanbase had a guy they liked (Ivey). The guy everyone wants literally NEVER falls to the Knicks. Why can’t people be upset about that?
1) Ok - they did not love anybody at 11, I think we can give them a pass on that
2) They traded for extra 1st round picks in a draft that is perceived to better than this one - OK
3) The part that makes them a laughingstock is attaching a 1st round pick to dump Kemba Walker's 9m expiring contract. They are trying to get rid of free agents they just signed last year to clear up space for Jalen Brunson.
Even the biggest Jalen Brunson fan knows he is a solid NBA player, but not going to move the needle to a championship.
Just a tough night to have any confidence that Knicks have any clue what they are doing or how to build a team that does not include CAA clients.
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that's any Knick fans right but it also has nothing to do with last night. If you don't have any faith in this front office/org than anything they did last night short of trading 11 for Ja Morant would leave the same result today
That’s true but if that’s the case why bother telling anyone they shouldn’t be mad? It seems like the Knicks and the Knick fanbase had a guy they liked (Ivey). The guy everyone wants literally NEVER falls to the Knicks. Why can’t people be upset about that?
Nobody said dont be mad, but they tried on Ivey, they offered 3 different deals to Detroit and detroit said no..
They offered 4 1sts to sacremento and they said no..
What else did you want them to do for Ivey?
Clearing cap space reportedly for Jalen Brunson, who played several years in the league, and had one good season. Julius Randle had an excellent season 2 years ago, now he and his contract are considered negative assets. It doesn't help that Brunson is the team president's godson and the organization just hired his father. A hefty nepotism contract is not the answer for this roster that lacks talent.
Brunson is not Julius Randle. He's gotten better every year he's been in the league while Randle's career has been up and down year to year. He also got a chance to play a decent amount last year without Luka when he was hurt and he shined running the show. All the reports on his character, personality and work ethic have always been glowing (unlike Julius Randle). There's no reason to believe last year was a flash in the pan.
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that's any Knick fans right but it also has nothing to do with last night. If you don't have any faith in this front office/org than anything they did last night short of trading 11 for Ja Morant would leave the same result today
That’s true but if that’s the case why bother telling anyone they shouldn’t be mad? It seems like the Knicks and the Knick fanbase had a guy they liked (Ivey). The guy everyone wants literally NEVER falls to the Knicks. Why can’t people be upset about that?
I didn't say you shouldn't be mad but it's not the organization's fault Ivey didn't fall to the
If you know, you know
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In comment 15740222 Strahan91 said:
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that's any Knick fans right but it also has nothing to do with last night. If you don't have any faith in this front office/org than anything they did last night short of trading 11 for Ja Morant would leave the same result today
That’s true but if that’s the case why bother telling anyone they shouldn’t be mad? It seems like the Knicks and the Knick fanbase had a guy they liked (Ivey). The guy everyone wants literally NEVER falls to the Knicks. Why can’t people be upset about that?
Nobody said dont be mad, but they tried on Ivey, they offered 3 different deals to Detroit and detroit said no..
They offered 4 1sts to sacremento and they said no..
What else did you want them to do for Ivey?
It’s not that they didn’t try, that’s fine. It’s just that they never succeed or close the deal. This isn’t just a rant about the constant ineptitude of management over the years. It’s also a rant about awful luck and never being able to close. Year in and year out we are among the most terrible teams in the league yet how often do we have a top pick? Top 3? We seem to always be picking just outside where talent is difference-making. Same with free agents we are linked to. We always miss out on top, difference-making names and have to overpay for whoever is leftover.
It’s just tiring. The culmination of poor management and awful luck is draining. We are always the laughingstock of the league and last night was no exception. Reddit and Twitter a buzz we Knicks memes. This is how it’s like to be Jets fans. It blows. Again, why even try to defend what the Knicks are doing? Bad luck prevails with MSG and management hasn’t proven they have a clue.
I guess if Giannis opts out in '24, it could happen. I think the Kemba move clears up enough cap to sign Brunson, or at least close to it, but I think all of the moves make me think they are stockpiling picks for an S&T.
Kyrie? If not, who else would it be?
Blazers assessed the situation, applied themselves to tanking by sitting players, and lost 21 of their last 23.
Knicks applied themselves to winning the championship of the teams that weren't going to make the playoffs.
Come draft time, Blazers get Shaedon Sharpe. Knicks find themselves not in a position to draft or move up for any player they are interested in.
There is no one associated with NYK who has a vision beyond winning the next game on the schedule and preserving his job thereby.
- 2 years with the most cap space in the league and nothing to show for it. Please stop with the nonsense that they are all "tradeable contracts" too. It just cost them a 1st and 2 second round picks to get off an expiring 9 million deal. Moving Noel and even more so Randle/ Fournier will be a very heavy cost.
- How could you not be prepared to have cap space for Brunson? Inexcusable.
-We'll see if this is "bad draft" but Presti sure didn't think so. And those future 1sts are heavily protected and most likely not conveying for a few years...
Overall this front office has been flat out bad at asset management and last night only reaffirmed that.
Based on his board it seems like he likes the value on both Keels and Montero
Blazers assessed the situation, applied themselves to tanking by sitting players, and lost 21 of their last 23.
Knicks applied themselves to winning the championship of the teams that weren't going to make the playoffs.
Come draft time, Blazers get Shaedon Sharpe. Knicks find themselves not in a position to draft or move up for any player they are interested in.
There is no one associated with NYK who has a vision beyond winning the next game on the schedule and preserving his job thereby.
This.
Blazers assessed the situation, applied themselves to tanking by sitting players, and lost 21 of their last 23.
Knicks applied themselves to winning the championship of the teams that weren't going to make the playoffs.
Come draft time, Blazers get Shaedon Sharpe. Knicks find themselves not in a position to draft or move up for any player they are interested in.
There is no one associated with NYK who has a vision beyond winning the next game on the schedule and preserving his job thereby.
That’s not what happened though. Portland lost Lillard and then Simons, their two best players. It was not by design
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They ultimately traded 3 first round picks last night and 4 second round picks to gain 3 first round picks and cap space.
Clearing cap space reportedly for Jalen Brunson, who played several years in the league, and had one good season. Julius Randle had an excellent season 2 years ago, now he and his contract are considered negative assets. It doesn't help that Brunson is the team president's godson and the organization just hired his father. A hefty nepotism contract is not the answer for this roster that lacks talent.
How did they trade 3 1sts?
11- Dieng
13- Duren
One of the three picks they received from OKC
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had the same record.
Blazers assessed the situation, applied themselves to tanking by sitting players, and lost 21 of their last 23.
Knicks applied themselves to winning the championship of the teams that weren't going to make the playoffs.
Come draft time, Blazers get Shaedon Sharpe. Knicks find themselves not in a position to draft or move up for any player they are interested in.
There is no one associated with NYK who has a vision beyond winning the next game on the schedule and preserving his job thereby.
This.
Lillard was hurt, they had no choice but to play g leaguers..
Knicks played Iq, Rj, Obi and Sims more minutes and won more..What did you want the Knicks to do? bench all their young players and bring up gleaguers?
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In comment 15740235 Reeses Pieces said:
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They ultimately traded 3 first round picks last night and 4 second round picks to gain 3 first round picks and cap space.
Clearing cap space reportedly for Jalen Brunson, who played several years in the league, and had one good season. Julius Randle had an excellent season 2 years ago, now he and his contract are considered negative assets. It doesn't help that Brunson is the team president's godson and the organization just hired his father. A hefty nepotism contract is not the answer for this roster that lacks talent.
How did they trade 3 1sts?
11- Dieng
13- Duren
One of the three picks they received from OKC
Never had 13 to trade..traded 11 for 3 firsts..
Trade 1 and 4 2nds to get rid of kemba and got 1 back..
So essentially trade 1 first
That’s not what happened though. Portland lost Lillard and then Simons, their two best players. It was not by design
Lillard had been out for months by March; they didn't lose him then.
Simons they sat when he could have come back. They wanted to lose.
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In comment 15740235 Reeses Pieces said:
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They ultimately traded 3 first round picks last night and 4 second round picks to gain 3 first round picks and cap space.
Clearing cap space reportedly for Jalen Brunson, who played several years in the league, and had one good season. Julius Randle had an excellent season 2 years ago, now he and his contract are considered negative assets. It doesn't help that Brunson is the team president's godson and the organization just hired his father. A hefty nepotism contract is not the answer for this roster that lacks talent.
How did they trade 3 1sts?
11- Dieng
13- Duren
One of the three picks they received from OKC
That one of those three picks was traded for Duren and they got one in return.
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That’s not what happened though. Portland lost Lillard and then Simons, their two best players. It was not by design
Lillard had been out for months by March; they didn't lose him then.
Simons they sat when he could have come back. They wanted to lose.
Yes exactly my point. They didn’t purposely tank. Portland has always been a one man show with Lillard
Also the Leon Rose/Knicks management defense team is such a weird hill to die on
The only thing worse than overpaying Brunson or trading for Brogdon would be signing Kyrie
2) We drafted a Duke player to piss off Greg
They also sat Josh Hart the last six weeks, claiming he had a sore knee.
They wanted to lose.
If Rose thinks Brunson is some type of large contract star, then we are in way worse shape than we think we are, and that’s saying something.
Bottom line is, you can’t just keep punting year over year in hopes of landing something. They basically have spent the last 2 drafts on no players. That is absolutely pathetic.
Let’s see how it plays out
Also the Leon Rose/Knicks management defense team is such a weird hill to die on
Isnt that what they did? they added 3 tradeable 1st round picks, which means they have 8 in the next 4 years
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They traded for a bunch of picks which will basically never be conveyed or when they do, they won’t be significant picks in any draft in any year.
If Rose thinks Brunson is some type of large contract star, then we are in way worse shape than we think we are, and that’s saying something.
Bottom line is, you can’t just keep punting year over year in hopes of landing something. They basically have spent the last 2 drafts on no players. That is absolutely pathetic.
Let’s see how it plays out
How close did we get to an Ivey trade?
Why do people need the GM to come out and publicly announce to the rest of the league what their plans are? That's just not going to happen, do you play poker with your hand laying face up on the table for everyone else to see?
Who cares what Leon Rose has to say? Dave Gettleman used to talk to the media, does that make the job that he did with the Giants any better?
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They traded for a bunch of picks which will basically never be conveyed or when they do, they won’t be significant picks in any draft in any year.
If Rose thinks Brunson is some type of large contract star, then we are in way worse shape than we think we are, and that’s saying something.
Bottom line is, you can’t just keep punting year over year in hopes of landing something. They basically have spent the last 2 drafts on no players. That is absolutely pathetic.
Let’s see how it plays out
How close did we get to an Ivey trade?
With the Pistons there was never even a shot. Soon as Kings took Murray there was no chance the Pistons were ever trading Ivey.
With the Kings it wasn’t close but they decided they wanted Murray more than 11+ future firsts