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Disney, Apple, Amazon wait on the winning Sunday Ticket Bid

Ben in Tampa : 6/24/2022 7:40 pm
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Disney, Apple and Amazon have all submitted bids to become the new broadcast rights owner of the National Football League’s out-of-market Sunday Ticket package. They’re just waiting to find out who wins.

The three companies submitted bids weeks ago, according to people familiar with the matter. The NFL continues to be in discussion with all three bidders as it decides which partner it will choose, said the people, who asked not to be named because the negotiations are private.


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When the NFL signed contracts with CBS and Fox, the deals included language that mandates Sunday Ticket have a premium price so as not to pull too many eyeballs away from the local market Sunday afternoon games acquired by the broadcast networks, three of the people said.

That means any owner of Sunday Ticket rights won’t be able to significantly lower the price on the out-of-market package, which typically costs about $300 per year.


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DirecTV is interested in maintaining a relationship with bars and restaurants… Sunday Ticket is also popular with sports gamblers who want to see multiple games at the same time.

DirecTV would also consider acting as a residential pass-through. Under such an agreement, it could transfer all revenue for Sunday Ticket to the rights owner but still offer it to customers.


More details in the article.

There were rumors Apple has already won the deal, but that doesn’t appear to be true

Disney, Apple and Amazon keep waiting as NFL considers Sunday Ticket offers - ( New Window )
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christian : 6/25/2022 7:07 pm : link
I personally found DTV quite expensive, and found having a dish and a box a pain.

The Fire Stick is the size of my car key, and is an easy place to centralize my live streaming TV provider (YouTubeTV) with my on demand streaming services.

I moved from Manhattan, to Austin, and now back upstate, not to mention work trips all over the country -- and haven't missed a Giants game.

I spent 20 bucks on the Fire Stick, $65 a month for YouTubeTV, and $2.50 a month for my VPN.

For a Knicks/Mets/Giants fan -- it's crazy to not have that same setup -- but with Fubo.

For 20 bucks for a Fire Stick, $70 a month for Fubo, and $2.50 a month for a VPN -- and you get 120 channels, every Knicks game, every Mets game, and every Giants game for $72.50 a month.
Fubo does not have some basic channels  
Snablats : 6/25/2022 8:26 pm : link
Such as A&E, TNT, TBS - at least as of last year. They also don't have a couple children's channels my kids watch. No league mlb, NHL, NBA channels. And the dvr is $17/month. How many shows can you record at the same time? Like DTV they charge for extra tvs

You end up paying a similar price for less channels

Plus I have stuff on the dvr  
Snablats : 6/25/2022 8:51 pm : link
I would lose by switching, and I wouldnt have had easy TV access to Sunday Ticket - I like watching other games, too. As I say, everyone has their own reasons for their tv setup

Im hoping DTV still offers it as a pass through
RE: For example..  
steve in ky : 6/25/2022 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15741209 moze1021 said:
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I'm watching Mets right now on MLB.TV app while typing this on my phone. Mets game is taking up 1/4 of my screen and I can do whatever else I want that isn't audio/video on my phone for next few hours while watching the game, sitting out by the pool


Do you have to say that you live in NY to get that?
This thread is funny  
mattlawson : 6/25/2022 10:45 pm : link
I’ve lived out of network since 2003 and cut the chord in 2012. I’ve been able to see any and every game I’ve wanted to even way back then in streaming infancy.
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christian : 6/25/2022 11:07 pm : link
The $70 Fubo package includes 1000 hours of DVR and multiple devices at once. It's actually a really good deal, I had never really looked into it.

There are channels DTV has the live stream carriers don't. And DTV definitely is easier to centralize the all access sports packages. I used their product for more than a decade.

If they lose Sunday Ticket, and the new owner does allow a pass through, the days of free Sunday Ticket promos is over. But I doubt that pass through will happen.

The on demand streaming services are buying up content so you subscribe with them.
RE: RE: For example..  
moze1021 : 6/26/2022 12:00 am : link
In comment 15741301 steve in ky said:
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In comment 15741209 moze1021 said:


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I'm watching Mets right now on MLB.TV app while typing this on my phone. Mets game is taking up 1/4 of my screen and I can do whatever else I want that isn't audio/video on my phone for next few hours while watching the game, sitting out by the pool



Do you have to say that you live in NY to get that?


No I pay for MLB.TV... I live outside Philadelphia

I have used some GPS faking apps to trick my YoutubeTV app into thinking I'm on NY though.. that does indeed work. I'd just prefer to pay for a solid service like MLB.TV and avoid the hassle
RE: RE: RE: Apple would be a disaster  
FStubbs : 6/26/2022 7:54 am : link
In comment 15740950 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15740949 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 15740944 moze1021 said:


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Their live baseball foray has been a complete failure.

Unless they make significant improvements including a deal with Google for an app, that has to be the worse outcome for fans.

Have to root for Disney and Amazon.



Apple wouldn’t be producing the games. Just streaming them.



Yes..and they have been terrible at that with MLB..

No ability to pause/rewind/record... No app for 50% of mobile devices in the country... And constant freezing/skipping...


Yeah, I'm surprised they'd consider Apple since Sunday Ticket would be iPhone/Mac exclusive. Though I guess that still reaches more people than it currently does.
Anyone but Disney, please  
SGMen : 6/26/2022 8:04 am : link
Disney can go bankrupt please.
Happy that DTV will finally be losing this and NFL Sunday Ticket  
Metnut : 6/26/2022 8:28 am : link
will be moving into the modern era. No reason why anyone should to put an eyesore of a dish on their house to watch NFL games.
SG- don't worry, they are  
Dave on the UWS : 6/26/2022 10:23 am : link
well on their way to doing that, since they have become deaf, dumb and blind to their core audience.
I hope Disney gets it...  
vonritz : 6/26/2022 10:37 am : link
just to piss off the crybaby contingent.
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christian : 6/26/2022 10:49 am : link
Disney is a logical choice. They've proven a very similar concept from a platform perspective with ESPN+ and UFC pay per view.

My guess is Sunday Ticket will be a ~$300 annual product and include ESPN+.

The tech stack is already there, and the UFC archive and streaming package is high quality. If Disney wins the bid, they'll produce a high quality product.
pretty sure disney's core audience is kids  
Eric on Li : 6/26/2022 10:52 am : link
and they seem to be doing just fine. disney+ has been successful beyond expectations and around their portfolio i thought espn did a really good job with nhl streaming. we did disneyland last year on a random weekday and it was packed. seemed like more people than pre-pandemic.

honestly any of the bidders will likely do a better job than the sunday ticket app. it was honestly the worst app of any of the tier 1 streaming apps. worse than nba, nhl, mlb, and all the entertainment companies. the nfl should have been embarrassed by it.
Why do people want Disney to go bankrupt?  
Snablats : 6/26/2022 11:23 am : link
I realize the parks are way overpriced, but so is every amusement park

Directv IS modern - all digital, no buffering/skipping/shuddering, all in one package, more channels, no need for 8 different streams to watch tv, and a DVR. The reason more dishes now are in the front of the house is cheapness of the installers not wanting to use more coax cable to put it in the back. Unsightly? Are you from Better Homes and Gardens? Dishes are so common now no one cares

Its still by far the best way to get out of market sports with a DVR

Legit question - for those of you streaming through your phone (like moze) or streaming in the house, dont you have to pay more per month for "unlimited" data for phone or home internet plans in order to stream everything?

I really don’t know what sports fans expect  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2022 11:37 am : link
17 weeks of football (all games effectively) for less than $20 a week is expensive? That’s not meant to demean anyone who’s on a budget but we’re you expecting prices to just never rise? I think going to football games is too expensive so I don’t go - those that do go, do you expect tickets to cost the same 10 years from now?

Mobile access, 4K, DVR, likely other in game and between game content, etc. All that for what you paid a decade ago with direct TV? I just don’t get the logic and entitlement.
Streaming does = cell data  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2022 11:40 am : link
wifi will cover you, and when no wifi most US cellular plans offer unlimited data packages. Mine with T-Mobile is relatively cheap. I don’t watch football on my phone but can easily do that if I want. Or if I project a game outside I can pull up whatever app the game is on and get it through wifi.

Times are changing. You may not watch football that way now but you might later. And it will never get there if it doesn’t start somewhere. Being against this makes no sense.
Doesn’t  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2022 11:42 am : link
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for many high speed internet is a core utility beyond streaming  
Eric on Li : 6/26/2022 11:51 am : link
i would imagine anyone doing any version of hybrid wfh would have some kind of reimbursement. versions of mobile reimbursements have been a thing for more than a decade. i can't imagine any small biz owner isn't writing both off and that what 20-30m households?

the need for internet access broadly isn't going anywhere.
the quality of content/capability with over the air TV has been in decline for 2-3 decades and will only continue.
RE: Why do people want Disney to go bankrupt?  
moze1021 : 6/26/2022 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15741438 Snablats said:
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I realize the parks are way overpriced, but so is every amusement park

Directv IS modern - all digital, no buffering/skipping/shuddering, all in one package, more channels, no need for 8 different streams to watch tv, and a DVR. The reason more dishes now are in the front of the house is cheapness of the installers not wanting to use more coax cable to put it in the back. Unsightly? Are you from Better Homes and Gardens? Dishes are so common now no one cares

Its still by far the best way to get out of market sports with a DVR

Legit question - for those of you streaming through your phone (like moze) or streaming in the house, dont you have to pay more per month for "unlimited" data for phone or home internet plans in order to stream everything?


I stream mostly at home, with Verizon FiOS 1Gb unlimited data... My cell plan is grandfathered 12gb monthly data through Verizon, since I have no need for the unlimited data plan that costs more.

Everything at home is through Internet now...YoutubeTV, Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, HBO Max, MLB.TV, Apple TV+, Paramount, etc... Cut the cord on Comcast and I pay less now, but still a lot..lol
RE: Why do people want Disney to go bankrupt?  
FStubbs : 6/26/2022 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15741438 Snablats said:
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I realize the parks are way overpriced, but so is every amusement park

Directv IS modern - all digital, no buffering/skipping/shuddering, all in one package, more channels, no need for 8 different streams to watch tv, and a DVR. The reason more dishes now are in the front of the house is cheapness of the installers not wanting to use more coax cable to put it in the back. Unsightly? Are you from Better Homes and Gardens? Dishes are so common now no one cares

Its still by far the best way to get out of market sports with a DVR

Legit question - for those of you streaming through your phone (like moze) or streaming in the house, dont you have to pay more per month for "unlimited" data for phone or home internet plans in order to stream everything?


Politics and/or content monopolization - pick one.
Home Wifi still needs unlimited data plan  
Snablats : 6/26/2022 12:32 pm : link
To be able to stream everything, right?

I'm pretty sure my wifi plan has a cap on data
home networks dont really cap....  
Italianju : 6/26/2022 12:35 pm : link
but i mean i dont know all the companies and options. I have verizon, internet only, pay 80 a month and stream everything. Usually streaming multiple things at once, TV with the wife, ipad for sports, etc.. WHile also hosting a media server that friends connect to. Data has never been an issue.

And most cell companies have unlimited now as well without much if any cost increase. We have a 4 line family plan and actually saved money when we went to unlimited.

I'm talking home wifi plans  
Snablats : 6/26/2022 12:39 pm : link
I'm not watching through my phone
Home wifi doesn’t have a cap  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2022 12:39 pm : link
You pay for the speed.
It sure as hell had a cap in Vegas  
Snablats : 6/26/2022 12:42 pm : link
When I put in the Wi-Fi there
Our only option in Phoenix is Cox cable  
Snablats : 6/26/2022 12:50 pm : link
I'm looking at their website now and there is a cap on the data. And yes you pay more for more speed, which you need if you're going to have to stream everything. So that adds to the cost as well
I work from home  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2022 1:52 pm : link
using a ton of high speed data, have never seen a cap. Probably not any issue for anyone that isn’t streaming 4K. HD is under 5mbps, 4K is around 30mbps.

I don’t know anyone who streams all their stuff and cares, worries, or experiences capped data.
Because they probably pay for  
Snablats : 6/26/2022 1:56 pm : link
An unlimited plan, or their employer does. And as you said, you pay more for the speed, and you need more speed for all the streaming
if you use your own router  
CGiants07 : 6/26/2022 2:14 pm : link
there is no cap
My job doesn’t pay my internet  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2022 2:34 pm : link
This is going in circles though. There isn’t 100% no downside - there’s varying degrees depending on your set up and preferences. But it’s the future and it’s going to be the preferred option for the majority (likely already is). Costs are going to increase whether they NFL ticket is offered by DTV or someone else so complaining about price is irrelevant - the meal ticket is over once their deal expired.

If you want to offset prices, buy your own router and stop renting one, and any cable boxes from your ISP. That along can save $10/month per device in most cases. Use the savings for better internet.
I haven't been complaining about the price of Sunday Ticket  
Snablats : 6/26/2022 2:38 pm : link
So I don't know why you keep focusing on that
RE: home networks dont really cap....  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/26/2022 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15741474 Italianju said:
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And most cell companies have unlimited now as well without much if any cost increase. We have a 4 line family plan and actually saved money when we went to unlimited.

Unlimited cell plans have a cap on high speed data. Breach the cap and they throttle your speed. Which can make video streaming problematic.
RE: if you use your own router  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/26/2022 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15741516 CGiants07 said:
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there is no cap

This is false.
RE: I haven't been complaining about the price of Sunday Ticket  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2022 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15741526 Snablats said:
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So I don't know why you keep focusing on that


Other are and have. But you are saying you’ll need better internet, so I’m addressing that too. My focus has been - streaming will benefit many more people than it will inconvenience. And those it inconveniences have options to join the club one day in a number of different ways and price points if they are open minded.
RE: RE: I haven't been complaining about the price of Sunday Ticket  
Snablats : 6/26/2022 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15741551 UConn4523 said:
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So I don't know why you keep focusing on that



Other are and have. But you are saying you’ll need better internet, so I’m addressing that too. My focus has been - streaming will benefit many more people than it will inconvenience. And those it inconveniences have options to join the club one day in a number of different ways and price points if they are open minded.

Right, I would have to accept inferior product and pay more for it
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christian : 6/26/2022 3:19 pm : link
I pay $80 a month total for 1 Gig up/download with no cap and run about 10 devices with zero issues.

If you live in an area with bad internet streaming isn't the best option. Conversely if you live in an area with bad weather or in a residential building satellite isn't the best option.
Snablats  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2022 3:49 pm : link
you aren’t very educated on this, hate to be so blunt. You are asking how data/wifi works and don’t really know how the options to stream benefit people. Maybe to you it’s inferior now because you don’t like change but refusing to acknowledge the advantages is strange. Year 1 or two there will be speed bumps, long term it will be the gold standard. Up to you on how long you want to avoid the inevitable.
And you were always going to pay more  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2022 3:50 pm : link
the contract is up, if DTV was able to renew they’d have to raise prices.
Hopefully DIRECTV tells the next owner that  
Jimmy Googs : 6/26/2022 4:52 pm : link
I get it free...

RE: Snablats  
Snablats : 6/26/2022 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15741580 UConn4523 said:
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you aren’t very educated on this, hate to be so blunt. You are asking how data/wifi works and don’t really know how the options to stream benefit people. Maybe to you it’s inferior now because you don’t like change but refusing to acknowledge the advantages is strange. Year 1 or two there will be speed bumps, long term it will be the gold standard. Up to you on how long you want to avoid the inevitable.

I'm not asking how it works, I'm verifying what I knew, that there are caps and speed is also still more expensive

There have been a lot of complaints  
arniefez : 6/26/2022 5:43 pm : link
about the Apple baseball broadcasts and they are all valid. Horrible announcers poor camera work, etc. But have any of you seen the 4K picture? It is stunning.

If the NFL is going to broadcast the Sunday Ticket in 4K on Apple TV and I have to pay for it? Sign me up. If it's $500 it's still way cheaper than attending games and a way better experience in every way for me. If you live in NY you'll get the Giants, Jets and games of the week free anyway. I think the Sunday Ticket is for transplants and local fanatics.
4K is just too good of an experience  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2022 6:33 pm : link
for me to care about the broadcast. And that’s something that they can improve over time if it isn’t good off the bat. Nothing matters more for sports than 4K - it’s just a huge game changer. And the cable companies just can’t do it at scale.
UConn that was my point  
arniefez : 6/26/2022 6:40 pm : link
You said it more succinctly. I haven't seen a football game in 4K yet. I'm looking forward to it.
The 4K Yankee games look fantastic  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2022 6:45 pm : link
so are the soccer games I’ve watched. It’ll be great for football.
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christian : 6/26/2022 7:35 pm : link
For those out of towners who will lose access to Giants games if DTV cannot passthrough Sunday Ticket there are viable alternatives.

This is a good tool to check prices for broadband in your area. The general rule is you need 20 Mpbs per streaming device. 300 Mbps is more than enough to stream on multiple devices. The national average is about $65 for 300 Mpbs.

Rest assured, of the three major media companies bidding for the rights, all will provide archiving, play from the beginning, and fast forward/rewind capabilities.

With available and price competitive broadband, buying the streaming service the NFL picks will be easy and usable.

If you only want to watch Giants games, you can do so by subscribing to one of the live TV streaming services and use a VPN to use an NY IP and get your local stations from NY.

YouTubeTV and Fubo for $70 or less a month offer 85-100 channels, ample DVR storage, and the streaming to multiple screens at once.

If you own a Fire Stick or Amazon streaming device you can easily install a VPN like Surfshark for a few bucks a month, and safely receive local New York channels.
Go Apple!  
trueblueinpw : 6/26/2022 8:02 pm : link
I’ve been cheering for Apple to get the NFL all along. I think they’ll bring plenty of cash and plenty of innovation.
4k is up to the networks broadcasting not whomever wins Sunday ticket  
BH28 : 6/26/2022 11:14 pm : link
CBS refuses to broadcast NFL in 4k for some unknown reason. Fox does some games (like super bowl). I believe amazon does 4k on Thursday.

So if CBS and Fox aren't broadcasting the Sunday day games in 4k, hard to see how one of these companies could force them to do it, they are just a pass through from the original broadcast.

DTV has tons of 4k content, but they can only put in 4k what they are getting from the original broadcast.

There seems to be basically no incentive for fox or cbs to do it, unless somebody else wins broadcasting rights and puts all their games in 4k which would force fox and cbs hand
I just don't see Apple...  
moze1021 : 6/27/2022 8:59 am : link
putting in the time to give a good experience to Android OS users. I find it MUCH more likely that will use it as a tool to convert more people to their ecosystem.

Would anyone really be surprised if they just continue the same game and say "oh Android users can just access through their browser!".

Such a scenario is obviously better than DTV for those who can't get a dish (HOA), but I don't think it's as good a landing spot as Disney or Amazon. Both of them will be more universal in their approach.

Too bad MLB Advanced media not making a play and expanding to different sports! Their product is just so far ahead of anything out there. But their business model (subscription as main source of revenue, not ads) is restrictive for them.
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christian : 6/27/2022 9:44 am : link
^ My guess is at the end of the day, Disney ends up winning out. The back bone of Disney/ESPN streaming was built on the MBL Advanced media work.

The other plus, is Disney can package Sunday Ticket on top of Hulu Live TV.

I can easily see an outcome where say a $400 annual package gets you Hulu/Disney/ESPN and Sunday Ticket.
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