Disney, Apple, Amazon wait on the winning Sunday Ticket Bid

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pretty much my entire life that involved watching sports has been with directv and it's probably been 15 years since i've actually paid for it but I have a feeling the cost of sunday ticket on any of these streaming platforms is going to be insanely expensive relative to the Sunday ticket cost (the 300$ cost). I think 200-250 for just one team is probably going to be what we're looking at, and if you want all of the games 400-500.

Cord cutting was all the talk a few years ago, but with a million different streaming services and one thing on one one thing on another it's not even saving anyone money these days.

if Sunday ticket is not offered through DirecTV, say goodbye to sunday ticket at tailgates. Which is a huge thing for my tailgate. No sunday ticket at tailgates likely kills the tailgate entirely. Half of my group doesnt even go into the games and those people arent showing up if I dont have the other games on in the parking lot.

In comment 15740915 Mook80 said:

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if Sunday ticket is not offered through DirecTV, say goodbye to sunday ticket at tailgates. Which is a huge thing for my tailgate. No sunday ticket at tailgates likely kills the tailgate entirely. Half of my group doesnt even go into the games and those people arent showing up if I dont have the other games on in the parking lot.

wouldn't it be just as easy to stream over any mobile device and share to a bigger screen?

fingers crossed for apple and them giving it free with an apple tv subscription for at least a couple years.

Airplay or Chromecast to get games from your phone to a TV is a lot easier than dragging a dish to a parking lot. I'd think tailgaters would be thrilled to have NFL out of area programming enter this century.

In comment 15740941 christian said:

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Airplay or Chromecast to get games from your phone to a TV is a lot easier than dragging a dish to a parking lot. I'd think tailgaters would be thrilled to have NFL out of area programming enter this century.

DirecTV Sunday Ticket has a mobile app. If you are a subscriber you can watch the games from anywhere. You don’t have to lug a dish around everywhere, lol.

Their live baseball foray has been a complete failure.

Unless they make significant improvements including a deal with Google for an app, that has to be the worse outcome for fans.

Have to root for Disney and Amazon.

In comment 15740942 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15740941 christian said: Quote: Airplay or Chromecast to get games from your phone to a TV is a lot easier than dragging a dish to a parking lot. I'd think tailgaters would be thrilled to have NFL out of area programming enter this century. DirecTV Sunday Ticket has a mobile app. If you are a subscriber you can watch the games from anywhere. You don’t have to lug a dish around everywhere, lol.

The Sunday ticket app sucks. I typically restart it a few times every Sunday and it’s the only streaming app that’s pixelated for like 30 seconds when you change games. It’s mind boggling they weren’t able to build something at least on the level of mlbtv or ESPN+.

In comment 15740944 moze1021 said:

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Their live baseball foray has been a complete failure. Unless they make significant improvements including a deal with Google for an app, that has to be the worse outcome for fans. Have to root for Disney and Amazon.

Apple wouldn’t be producing the games. Just streaming them.

In comment 15740949 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 15740944 moze1021 said: Quote: Their live baseball foray has been a complete failure. Unless they make significant improvements including a deal with Google for an app, that has to be the worse outcome for fans. Have to root for Disney and Amazon. Apple wouldn’t be producing the games. Just streaming them.

Yes..and they have been terrible at that with MLB..

No ability to pause/rewind/record... No app for 50% of mobile devices in the country... And constant freezing/skipping...

In comment 15740941 christian said:

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Airplay or Chromecast to get games from your phone to a TV is a lot easier than dragging a dish to a parking lot. I'd think tailgaters would be thrilled to have NFL out of area programming enter this century.

The cell service at MetLife is not nearly good enough in the parking lot to stream games via cellular data. Thats also the case in most parking lots at football stadiums that i'kjkve been to.

You would be buffering every few minutes. Add in that so many people would be trying to do so and that would mean an even worse signal.

Will occasionally have some streaming issues.

It’s a downgrade IMO

In comment 15740961 steve in ky said:

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Will occasionally have some streaming issues. It’s a downgrade IMO

With all do respect, todays streaming services are far better then that.

I record constantly and I can certainly pause, rewind etc. Not to mention paying half of the price.

It wouldn’t be like a PPV fight type situation, just an additional service add on.

In comment 15740970 Svengali said:

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In comment 15740961 steve in ky said: Quote: Will occasionally have some streaming issues. It’s a downgrade IMO With all do respect, todays streaming services are far better then that. I record constantly and I can certainly pause, rewind etc. Not to mention paying half of the price. It wouldn’t be like a PPV fight type situation, just an additional service add on.

What streaming service do you use? Where I live I don’t think I have anything better available than what I have and I can’t record anything I stream.

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When the NFL signed contracts with CBS and Fox, the deals included language that mandates Sunday Ticket have a premium price so as not to pull too many eyeballs away from the local market Sunday afternoon games acquired by the broadcast networks, three of the people said. That means any owner of Sunday Ticket rights won’t be able to significantly lower the price on the out-of-market package, which typically costs about $300 per year.

This makes sense on its face.

But can anyone explain how this squares with the tales one reads about DTV subscribers getting Sunday Ticket for free?

bbi thread - ( New Window )

and probably have gotten the Sunday Ticket free of charge for the majority of them. The last few years where they have just proactively notified me at some point in summer that it would be free, like a few days ago.

So I don't follow the comments on pricing above either...

I've posted this before, but for any out of town chord cutting fans looking to stream and record games a simple combination of an Amazon Fire, YouTubeTV, and a VPN like Surfshark will do the trick.

In comment 15740912 Mook80 said:

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pretty much my entire life that involved watching sports has been with directv and it's probably been 15 years since i've actually paid for it but I have a feeling the cost of sunday ticket on any of these streaming platforms is going to be insanely expensive relative to the Sunday ticket cost (the 300$ cost). I think 200-250 for just one team is probably going to be what we're looking at, and if you want all of the games 400-500. Cord cutting was all the talk a few years ago, but with a million different streaming services and one thing on one one thing on another it's not even saving anyone money these days.

I don't know about that Mook. I felt the same way but it seems like I could have YouTube TV plus Netflix, Disney, and Prime and still save relative to Directv's absurd pricing .

I need to remember to do the annual call this weekend to directv for $80mo in credits bc i still have it too

In comment 15740955 Mook80 said:

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In comment 15740941 christian said: Quote: Airplay or Chromecast to get games from your phone to a TV is a lot easier than dragging a dish to a parking lot. I'd think tailgaters would be thrilled to have NFL out of area programming enter this century. The cell service at MetLife is not nearly good enough in the parking lot to stream games via cellular data. Thats also the case in most parking lots at football stadiums that i'kjkve been to. You would be buffering every few minutes. Add in that so many people would be trying to do so and that would mean an even worse signal.

You could buy a StarLink instead of hauling a DTV dish to the tailgate.

That would power internet fast enough to stream.

Would be terrible because of how they have produced baseball games remember that they wouldn’t be the ones responsible for calling and shooting the game. They would just be streaming either a fox of cvs broadcast, probably a less compressed signal.

In comment 15741025 bubba0825 said:

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Would be terrible because of how they have produced baseball games remember that they wouldn’t be the ones responsible for calling and shooting the game. They would just be streaming either a fox of cvs broadcast, probably a less compressed signal.

No one saying that..

Apple would be terrible because of their streaming platform, unless they upgrade it significantly.

No ability to pause/rewind/record, no app for 50% of mobile devices, and frequent skipping/freezing

Disney and Amazon have apps for almost all devices. Heck, I even have the Disney+ app in my Tesla!

in the apple tv app. So thats not an issue. They already said that the MLS package will be a separate app available to all devices, cant imagine NFL would be different. I mean they prolly even will keep it sunday ticket unless that name is something directv owned and not NFL.

Also if you are not lugging the dish to tailgate then wouldnt you be using the same network option that you would use for Apple?

I knew a lot of people didnt want to cut the cord, nothing wrong with that, but i didnt know the pure vitriol that people had toward streaming until recently. Not saying there is anything wrong with someone feeling that way, i could care less how a person feels, i just found it interesting.

Then that's fantastic...and in that case I wouldn't care who wins..

In comment 15741010 christian said:

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I've posted this before, but for any out of town chord cutting fans looking to stream and record games a simple combination of an Amazon Fire, YouTubeTV, and a VPN like Surfshark will do the trick.

How do we get out of market games with that setup?

In comment 15740950 moze1021 said:

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In comment 15740949 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 15740944 moze1021 said: Quote: Their live baseball foray has been a complete failure. Unless they make significant improvements including a deal with Google for an app, that has to be the worse outcome for fans. Have to root for Disney and Amazon. Apple wouldn’t be producing the games. Just streaming them. Yes..and they have been terrible at that with MLB.. No ability to pause/rewind/record... No app for 50% of mobile devices in the country... And constant freezing/skipping...

that's not been my experience streaming from either chromecast or appletv (box). i've watched live and dont pause/rewind/record so can't speak to that part. video experience has been just as good as mlbtv/youtubetv and both are light years ahead of sunday ticket app.

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in the apple tv app. So thats not an issue. They already said that the MLS package will be a separate app available to all devices, cant imagine NFL would be different. I mean they prolly even will keep it sunday ticket unless that name is something directv owned and not NFL. Also if you are not lugging the dish to tailgate then wouldnt you be using the same network option that you would use for Apple? I knew a lot of people didnt want to cut the cord, nothing wrong with that, but i didnt know the pure vitriol that people had toward streaming until recently. Not saying there is anything wrong with someone feeling that way, i could care less how a person feels, i just found it interesting.

im pretty sure the mls is going to be in the existing app. and on the positive side they are eliminating regional blackouts, increasing the broadcasts to 1080p, and everything is going to be produced centrally by the MLS (not apple).
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In comment 15740944 moze1021 said:

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Their live baseball foray has been a complete failure. Unless they make significant improvements including a deal with Google for an app, that has to be the worse outcome for fans. Have to root for Disney and Amazon.

Ugh! Apple coverage of baseball is pitiful. The announcers especially.

In comment 15741060 Snablats said:

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In comment 15741010 christian said: Quote: I've posted this before, but for any out of town chord cutting fans looking to stream and record games a simple combination of an Amazon Fire, YouTubeTV, and a VPN like Surfshark will do the trick. How do we get out of market games with that setup?

The long version is you can easily install a VPN app on an Amazon Fire Stick (unlike Roku). The best VPN app in my experience is Surfshark.

When you have the Surfshark VPN installed, you can easily toggle between geographic locations to set your virtual IP.

YouTubeTV, Fubo etc. provide your local networks based on your IP.

I was living Austin for the last two years. I would simply set my VPN to New York, New York and my local channels were from NY. You can watch any game anywhere just setting your IP to that market:

The Surfshark app is about $50 a year, and YouTubeTV is $65 a month. The Fire Stick is like $20.

would be similar to mls strategy below like italianju said.

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Where Can I Watch? In order to watch all regular season and Leagues Cup matches (along with select games from MLS Next Pro and MLS Next, MLS’s developmental league and academy league, respectively) users will have to purchase the unnamed MLS streaming app on Apple TV. However, viewers will not have to purchase Apple TV+ to purchase the streaming service, nor will they have to purchase a physical Apple TV product — any device that can connect to the Internet will be able to show the games. While the exact cost of the MLS streaming service is unknown, existing Apple TV+ subscribers who do not purchase the MLS subscription will still have access to some of the matches, and a further limited number of matches will be available for free for all fans, even those without an Apple TV+ subscription. MLS full-season ticket holders will have the MLS streaming app included with their purchase of full-season tickets. In addition, this deal removes all local blackout restrictions, which were in effect for MLS games on ESPN+ in their last deal.

In comment 15741074 christian said:

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In comment 15741060 Snablats said: Quote: In comment 15741010 christian said: Quote: I've posted this before, but for any out of town chord cutting fans looking to stream and record games a simple combination of an Amazon Fire, YouTubeTV, and a VPN like Surfshark will do the trick. How do we get out of market games with that setup? The long version is you can easily install a VPN app on an Amazon Fire Stick (unlike Roku). The best VPN app in my experience is Surfshark. When you have the Surfshark VPN installed, you can easily toggle between geographic locations to set your virtual IP. YouTubeTV, Fubo etc. provide your local networks based on your IP. I was living Austin for the last two years. I would simply set my VPN to New York, New York and my local channels were from NY. You can watch any game anywhere just setting your IP to that market: The Surfshark app is about $50 a year, and YouTubeTV is $65 a month. The Fire Stick is like $20.

So you can get MSG and SNY with this setup? Or is this just for the Giants games?

I'm not so sure that the MLS language confirms an Android app. Today they also claim the streaming of MLB games is on all devices, but what that means is Android devices need to watch through a web browser which has proven to be a terrible solution.

But I guess we'll have to wait and see

In comment 15740961 steve in ky said:

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Will occasionally have some streaming issues. It’s a downgrade IMO

Since I've had directv with Tivo, then dvr (about 20 years), i haven't watched anything completely live.

I start a game (or show) when I want to. I might have brunch or take a nap, eg., and start a 1 o'clock game at 1:30 or 2 (and ff through commercials and halftime).

It will be a major step back if I'm unable to do that.

In comment 15741081 Dr. D said:

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In comment 15740961 steve in ky said: Quote: Will occasionally have some streaming issues. It’s a downgrade IMO Since I've had directv with Tivo, then dvr (about 20 years), i haven't watched anything completely live. I start a game (or show) when I want to. I might have brunch or take a nap, eg., and start a 1 o'clock game at 1:30 or 2 (and ff through commercials and halftime). It will be a major step back if I'm unable to do that.

This. Not having DVR is taking us back to the 1980s. How is that better than Directv?

If you're looking for MSG and SNY -- the Fubo service is the way to go.

Their subscription is $70, and includes a 1000 hours of DVR.

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Will occasionally have some streaming issues. It’s a downgrade IMO

You can use a program called OBS Studio to record any stream. I did it for a live Mr Bungle Halloween show.

Don’t all the major live streaming platforms have DVR? Hulu Live TV, YouTube TV and Fubo all have DVR.

As these tech platforms do more and more live streaming DVR will be added.

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Don’t all the major live streaming platforms have DVR? Hulu Live TV, YouTube TV and Fubo all have DVR. As these tech platforms do more and more live streaming DVR will be added.

But since I don't live in the New York market, I can't get the games on those streaming platforms to be able to use their DVRs

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In comment 15740961 steve in ky said: Quote: Will occasionally have some streaming issues. It’s a downgrade IMO Since I've had directv with Tivo, then dvr (about 20 years), i haven't watched anything completely live. I start a game (or show) when I want to. I might have brunch or take a nap, eg., and start a 1 o'clock game at 1:30 or 2 (and ff through commercials and halftime). It will be a major step back if I'm unable to do that.

THIS is the correct answer.

In comment 15740915 Mook80 said:

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if Sunday ticket is not offered through DirecTV, say goodbye to sunday ticket at tailgates. Which is a huge thing for my tailgate. No sunday ticket at tailgates likely kills the tailgate entirely. Half of my group doesnt even go into the games and those people arent showing up if I dont have the other games on in the parking lot.

"Hello there Mook, nice to meet you." - Modern technology

to this unless you are completely tech illiterate.

As some of us have been illustrating on this thread

The fact is DirecTV works better than any of these streams and it has a DVR

but comment like you do. Might want to wait and see what’s announced first and then actually use the product.

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In comment 15740961 steve in ky said: Quote: Will occasionally have some streaming issues. It’s a downgrade IMO You can use a program called OBS Studio to record any stream. I did it for a live Mr Bungle Halloween show.

I have a Fire Stick connected to erthernet an TV. How am I going to use that?

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In comment 15740915 Mook80 said: Quote: if Sunday ticket is not offered through DirecTV, say goodbye to sunday ticket at tailgates. Which is a huge thing for my tailgate. No sunday ticket at tailgates likely kills the tailgate entirely. Half of my group doesnt even go into the games and those people arent showing up if I dont have the other games on in the parking lot. "Hello there Mook, nice to meet you." - Modern technology

Again, the cell signal in the parking lot isn't anywhere close to being able to stream games well. And it will only get worse when everyone in the parking lot is trying to do the same thing.

will have a better experience. Some won’t. And those that won’t may be short lived as the product, data plans, wifi offerings all get better. 5g is only 3 years old, do you expect it to not improve?

Short term pain for long term gain.

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As some of us have been illustrating on this thread The fact is DirecTV works better than any of these streams and it has a DVR

Whoever wins the bid for the Sunday Ticket product will absolutely provide a digital archive and fast-forwarding on delay features. These are table stakes for a live stream platform.

Amazon and Apple don’t have those features now because they don’t need to have them. If they win, they’ll be there.

The live stream platforms (YouTubeTV, Fubo) have seamless and elegant recording and replay features that blow away DTV.

In comment 15741142 christian said:

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In comment 15741113 Snablats said: Quote: As some of us have been illustrating on this thread The fact is DirecTV works better than any of these streams and it has a DVR Whoever wins the bid for the Sunday Ticket product will absolutely provide a digital archive and fast-forwarding on delay features. These are table stakes for a live stream platform. Amazon and Apple don’t have those features now because they don’t need to have them. If they win, they’ll be there. The live stream platforms (YouTubeTV, Fubo) have seamless and elegant recording and replay features that blow away DTV.

Yeah so the downside is IF these companies DON'T improve their offerings.

As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Apple has ZERO applications on Google Play app store. I suppose that can change, and i hope it does, but I'll believe it when I see it.

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Again, the cell signal in the parking lot isn't anywhere close to being able to stream games well. And it will only get worse when everyone in the parking lot is trying to do the same thing.

Your problem is solved:
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In comment 15741142 christian said:

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In comment 15741113 Snablats said: Quote: As some of us have been illustrating on this thread The fact is DirecTV works better than any of these streams and it has a DVR Whoever wins the bid for the Sunday Ticket product will absolutely provide a digital archive and fast-forwarding on delay features. These are table stakes for a live stream platform. Amazon and Apple don’t have those features now because they don’t need to have them. If they win, they’ll be there. The live stream platforms (YouTubeTV, Fubo) have seamless and elegant recording and replay features that blow away DTV.

But you cant get out of market games on live stream platforms, you can with DTV. And I only need one service for my tv watching, not 3 or 4. DTV has a really easy DVR, how are the others better? Have you ever had DTV?

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Yeah so the downside is IF these companies DON'T improve their offerings. As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Apple has ZERO applications on Google Play app store. I suppose that can change, and i hope it does, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Apple Music is available in Googe Play, so that might be an indication.

AppleTV+ can only be accessed via browser on an Android mobile device. There is an AppleTV+ app for the Android OS powered TV streaming devices (Roku, FireStick, GoogleTV etc.)

If Apple wins the bid, there’s zero chance they don’t offer an archive and fast-forward on delay.

There’s less of a guarantee they’ll release a mobile Android app. But if you can watch through a browser is that a huge deal?

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But you cant get out of market games on live stream platforms, you can with DTV. And I only need one service for my tv watching, not 3 or 4. DTV has a really easy DVR, how are the others better? Have you ever had DTV?

I had DTV for about 15 years in CA and paid anywhere between $80-$130 a month, plus the various sports packages.

I then moved into a building in Manhattan that wouldn’t allow a dish, and switched to YouTubeTV. I found the 85 channels for $65 sufficient, and of course could watch NY games locally.

I then moved to Texas, and added the VPN I referenced above for $50 a year, and was able to maintain my local channels from NY.

The reality is DTV is losing Sunday Ticket, and you’ll either have to pony up for a 2nd service, or switch to streaming live provider and spoof your IP.

For what I need, DTV has been best. Nothing extra to do, don't need several platforms or fire sticks or rokus to get everything

That article posted says DTV may be willing to be a pass through for the winning bidder, offering Sunday Ticket but sending the payment for it to the winning bidder

You don't need the ny sports channels, so you can do whatever you want. Many of us need those channels, or access to the games packages. And DTV has it all in one place

In comment 15741149 christian said:

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In comment 15741144 moze1021 said: Quote: Yeah so the downside is IF these companies DON'T improve their offerings. As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Apple has ZERO applications on Google Play app store. I suppose that can change, and i hope it does, but I'll believe it when I see it. Apple Music is available in Googe Play, so that might be an indication. AppleTV+ can only be accessed via browser on an Android mobile device. There is an AppleTV+ app for the Android OS powered TV streaming devices (Roku, FireStick, GoogleTV etc.) If Apple wins the bid, there’s zero chance they don’t offer an archive and fast-forward on delay. There’s less of a guarantee they’ll release a mobile Android app. But if you can watch through a browser is that a huge deal?

Yes it's a huge deal. Trying to watch Mets through chrome browser was absolutely terrible. No PIP and had to restart back at splash page every time you closed and reopened browser.

Also it's not just the fast forward on delay but ability to rewind live that is needed.

I'm watching Mets right now on MLB.TV app while typing this on my phone. Mets game is taking up 1/4 of my screen and I can do whatever else I want that isn't audio/video on my phone for next few hours while watching the game, sitting out by the pool

I personally found DTV quite expensive, and found having a dish and a box a pain.

The Fire Stick is the size of my car key, and is an easy place to centralize my live streaming TV provider (YouTubeTV) with my on demand streaming services.

I moved from Manhattan, to Austin, and now back upstate, not to mention work trips all over the country -- and haven't missed a Giants game.

I spent 20 bucks on the Fire Stick, $65 a month for YouTubeTV, and $2.50 a month for my VPN.

For a Knicks/Mets/Giants fan -- it's crazy to not have that same setup -- but with Fubo.

For 20 bucks for a Fire Stick, $70 a month for Fubo, and $2.50 a month for a VPN -- and you get 120 channels, every Knicks game, every Mets game, and every Giants game for $72.50 a month.

Such as A&E, TNT, TBS - at least as of last year. They also don't have a couple children's channels my kids watch. No league mlb, NHL, NBA channels. And the dvr is $17/month. How many shows can you record at the same time? Like DTV they charge for extra tvs

You end up paying a similar price for less channels

I would lose by switching, and I wouldnt have had easy TV access to Sunday Ticket - I like watching other games, too. As I say, everyone has their own reasons for their tv setup

Im hoping DTV still offers it as a pass through

In comment 15741209 moze1021 said:

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I'm watching Mets right now on MLB.TV app while typing this on my phone. Mets game is taking up 1/4 of my screen and I can do whatever else I want that isn't audio/video on my phone for next few hours while watching the game, sitting out by the pool

Do you have to say that you live in NY to get that?

I’ve lived out of network since 2003 and cut the chord in 2012. I’ve been able to see any and every game I’ve wanted to even way back then in streaming infancy.

The $70 Fubo package includes 1000 hours of DVR and multiple devices at once. It's actually a really good deal, I had never really looked into it.

There are channels DTV has the live stream carriers don't. And DTV definitely is easier to centralize the all access sports packages. I used their product for more than a decade.

If they lose Sunday Ticket, and the new owner does allow a pass through, the days of free Sunday Ticket promos is over. But I doubt that pass through will happen.

The on demand streaming services are buying up content so you subscribe with them.

In comment 15741301 steve in ky said:

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In comment 15741209 moze1021 said: Quote: I'm watching Mets right now on MLB.TV app while typing this on my phone. Mets game is taking up 1/4 of my screen and I can do whatever else I want that isn't audio/video on my phone for next few hours while watching the game, sitting out by the pool Do you have to say that you live in NY to get that?

No I pay for MLB.TV... I live outside Philadelphia

I have used some GPS faking apps to trick my YoutubeTV app into thinking I'm on NY though.. that does indeed work. I'd just prefer to pay for a solid service like MLB.TV and avoid the hassle

In comment 15740950 moze1021 said:

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In comment 15740949 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 15740944 moze1021 said: Quote: Their live baseball foray has been a complete failure. Unless they make significant improvements including a deal with Google for an app, that has to be the worse outcome for fans. Have to root for Disney and Amazon. Apple wouldn’t be producing the games. Just streaming them. Yes..and they have been terrible at that with MLB.. No ability to pause/rewind/record... No app for 50% of mobile devices in the country... And constant freezing/skipping...

Yeah, I'm surprised they'd consider Apple since Sunday Ticket would be iPhone/Mac exclusive. Though I guess that still reaches more people than it currently does.

Disney can go bankrupt please.

will be moving into the modern era. No reason why anyone should to put an eyesore of a dish on their house to watch NFL games.

well on their way to doing that, since they have become deaf, dumb and blind to their core audience.

just to piss off the crybaby contingent.

Disney is a logical choice. They've proven a very similar concept from a platform perspective with ESPN+ and UFC pay per view.

My guess is Sunday Ticket will be a ~$300 annual product and include ESPN+.

The tech stack is already there, and the UFC archive and streaming package is high quality. If Disney wins the bid, they'll produce a high quality product.

and they seem to be doing just fine. disney+ has been successful beyond expectations and around their portfolio i thought espn did a really good job with nhl streaming. we did disneyland last year on a random weekday and it was packed. seemed like more people than pre-pandemic.

honestly any of the bidders will likely do a better job than the sunday ticket app. it was honestly the worst app of any of the tier 1 streaming apps. worse than nba, nhl, mlb, and all the entertainment companies. the nfl should have been embarrassed by it.

I realize the parks are way overpriced, but so is every amusement park

Directv IS modern - all digital, no buffering/skipping/shuddering, all in one package, more channels, no need for 8 different streams to watch tv, and a DVR. The reason more dishes now are in the front of the house is cheapness of the installers not wanting to use more coax cable to put it in the back. Unsightly? Are you from Better Homes and Gardens? Dishes are so common now no one cares

Its still by far the best way to get out of market sports with a DVR

Legit question - for those of you streaming through your phone (like moze) or streaming in the house, dont you have to pay more per month for "unlimited" data for phone or home internet plans in order to stream everything?

17 weeks of football (all games effectively) for less than $20 a week is expensive? That’s not meant to demean anyone who’s on a budget but we’re you expecting prices to just never rise? I think going to football games is too expensive so I don’t go - those that do go, do you expect tickets to cost the same 10 years from now?

Mobile access, 4K, DVR, likely other in game and between game content, etc. All that for what you paid a decade ago with direct TV? I just don’t get the logic and entitlement.

wifi will cover you, and when no wifi most US cellular plans offer unlimited data packages. Mine with T-Mobile is relatively cheap. I don’t watch football on my phone but can easily do that if I want. Or if I project a game outside I can pull up whatever app the game is on and get it through wifi.

Times are changing. You may not watch football that way now but you might later. And it will never get there if it doesn’t start somewhere. Being against this makes no sense.

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i would imagine anyone doing any version of hybrid wfh would have some kind of reimbursement. versions of mobile reimbursements have been a thing for more than a decade. i can't imagine any small biz owner isn't writing both off and that what 20-30m households?

the need for internet access broadly isn't going anywhere.
the quality of content/capability with over the air TV has been in decline for 2-3 decades and will only continue.

In comment 15741438 Snablats said:

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I realize the parks are way overpriced, but so is every amusement park Directv IS modern - all digital, no buffering/skipping/shuddering, all in one package, more channels, no need for 8 different streams to watch tv, and a DVR. The reason more dishes now are in the front of the house is cheapness of the installers not wanting to use more coax cable to put it in the back. Unsightly? Are you from Better Homes and Gardens? Dishes are so common now no one cares Its still by far the best way to get out of market sports with a DVR Legit question - for those of you streaming through your phone (like moze) or streaming in the house, dont you have to pay more per month for "unlimited" data for phone or home internet plans in order to stream everything?

I stream mostly at home, with Verizon FiOS 1Gb unlimited data... My cell plan is grandfathered 12gb monthly data through Verizon, since I have no need for the unlimited data plan that costs more.

Everything at home is through Internet now...YoutubeTV, Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, HBO Max, MLB.TV, Apple TV+, Paramount, etc... Cut the cord on Comcast and I pay less now, but still a lot..lol

In comment 15741438 Snablats said:

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I realize the parks are way overpriced, but so is every amusement park Directv IS modern - all digital, no buffering/skipping/shuddering, all in one package, more channels, no need for 8 different streams to watch tv, and a DVR. The reason more dishes now are in the front of the house is cheapness of the installers not wanting to use more coax cable to put it in the back. Unsightly? Are you from Better Homes and Gardens? Dishes are so common now no one cares Its still by far the best way to get out of market sports with a DVR Legit question - for those of you streaming through your phone (like moze) or streaming in the house, dont you have to pay more per month for "unlimited" data for phone or home internet plans in order to stream everything?

Politics and/or content monopolization - pick one.

To be able to stream everything, right?

I'm pretty sure my wifi plan has a cap on data

but i mean i dont know all the companies and options. I have verizon, internet only, pay 80 a month and stream everything. Usually streaming multiple things at once, TV with the wife, ipad for sports, etc.. WHile also hosting a media server that friends connect to. Data has never been an issue.

And most cell companies have unlimited now as well without much if any cost increase. We have a 4 line family plan and actually saved money when we went to unlimited.

I'm not watching through my phone

You pay for the speed.

When I put in the Wi-Fi there

I'm looking at their website now and there is a cap on the data. And yes you pay more for more speed, which you need if you're going to have to stream everything. So that adds to the cost as well

using a ton of high speed data, have never seen a cap. Probably not any issue for anyone that isn’t streaming 4K. HD is under 5mbps, 4K is around 30mbps.

I don’t know anyone who streams all their stuff and cares, worries, or experiences capped data.

An unlimited plan, or their employer does. And as you said, you pay more for the speed, and you need more speed for all the streaming

there is no cap

This is going in circles though. There isn’t 100% no downside - there’s varying degrees depending on your set up and preferences. But it’s the future and it’s going to be the preferred option for the majority (likely already is). Costs are going to increase whether they NFL ticket is offered by DTV or someone else so complaining about price is irrelevant - the meal ticket is over once their deal expired.

If you want to offset prices, buy your own router and stop renting one, and any cable boxes from your ISP. That along can save $10/month per device in most cases. Use the savings for better internet.

So I don't know why you keep focusing on that

In comment 15741474 Italianju said:

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And most cell companies have unlimited now as well without much if any cost increase. We have a 4 line family plan and actually saved money when we went to unlimited.

Unlimited cell plans have a cap on high speed data. Breach the cap and they throttle your speed. Which can make video streaming problematic.

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there is no cap

This is false.

In comment 15741526 Snablats said:

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So I don't know why you keep focusing on that

Other are and have. But you are saying you’ll need better internet, so I’m addressing that too. My focus has been - streaming will benefit many more people than it will inconvenience. And those it inconveniences have options to join the club one day in a number of different ways and price points if they are open minded.

In comment 15741551 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 15741526 Snablats said: Quote: So I don't know why you keep focusing on that Other are and have. But you are saying you’ll need better internet, so I’m addressing that too. My focus has been - streaming will benefit many more people than it will inconvenience. And those it inconveniences have options to join the club one day in a number of different ways and price points if they are open minded.

Right, I would have to accept inferior product and pay more for it

I pay $80 a month total for 1 Gig up/download with no cap and run about 10 devices with zero issues.

If you live in an area with bad internet streaming isn't the best option. Conversely if you live in an area with bad weather or in a residential building satellite isn't the best option.

you aren’t very educated on this, hate to be so blunt. You are asking how data/wifi works and don’t really know how the options to stream benefit people. Maybe to you it’s inferior now because you don’t like change but refusing to acknowledge the advantages is strange. Year 1 or two there will be speed bumps, long term it will be the gold standard. Up to you on how long you want to avoid the inevitable.

the contract is up, if DTV was able to renew they’d have to raise prices.

I get it free...

In comment 15741580 UConn4523 said:

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you aren’t very educated on this, hate to be so blunt. You are asking how data/wifi works and don’t really know how the options to stream benefit people. Maybe to you it’s inferior now because you don’t like change but refusing to acknowledge the advantages is strange. Year 1 or two there will be speed bumps, long term it will be the gold standard. Up to you on how long you want to avoid the inevitable.

I'm not asking how it works, I'm verifying what I knew, that there are caps and speed is also still more expensive

about the Apple baseball broadcasts and they are all valid. Horrible announcers poor camera work, etc. But have any of you seen the 4K picture? It is stunning.

If the NFL is going to broadcast the Sunday Ticket in 4K on Apple TV and I have to pay for it? Sign me up. If it's $500 it's still way cheaper than attending games and a way better experience in every way for me. If you live in NY you'll get the Giants, Jets and games of the week free anyway. I think the Sunday Ticket is for transplants and local fanatics.

for me to care about the broadcast. And that’s something that they can improve over time if it isn’t good off the bat. Nothing matters more for sports than 4K - it’s just a huge game changer. And the cable companies just can’t do it at scale.

You said it more succinctly. I haven't seen a football game in 4K yet. I'm looking forward to it.

so are the soccer games I’ve watched. It’ll be great for football.

For those out of towners who will lose access to Giants games if DTV cannot passthrough Sunday Ticket there are viable alternatives.

This is a good tool to check prices for broadband in your area. The general rule is you need 20 Mpbs per streaming device. 300 Mbps is more than enough to stream on multiple devices. The national average is about $65 for 300 Mpbs.

Rest assured, of the three major media companies bidding for the rights, all will provide archiving, play from the beginning, and fast forward/rewind capabilities.

With available and price competitive broadband, buying the streaming service the NFL picks will be easy and usable.

If you only want to watch Giants games, you can do so by subscribing to one of the live TV streaming services and use a VPN to use an NY IP and get your local stations from NY.

YouTubeTV and Fubo for $70 or less a month offer 85-100 channels, ample DVR storage, and the streaming to multiple screens at once.

If you own a Fire Stick or Amazon streaming device you can easily install a VPN like Surfshark for a few bucks a month, and safely receive local New York channels.

I’ve been cheering for Apple to get the NFL all along. I think they’ll bring plenty of cash and plenty of innovation.

CBS refuses to broadcast NFL in 4k for some unknown reason. Fox does some games (like super bowl). I believe amazon does 4k on Thursday.

So if CBS and Fox aren't broadcasting the Sunday day games in 4k, hard to see how one of these companies could force them to do it, they are just a pass through from the original broadcast.

DTV has tons of 4k content, but they can only put in 4k what they are getting from the original broadcast.

There seems to be basically no incentive for fox or cbs to do it, unless somebody else wins broadcasting rights and puts all their games in 4k which would force fox and cbs hand

putting in the time to give a good experience to Android OS users. I find it MUCH more likely that will use it as a tool to convert more people to their ecosystem.

Would anyone really be surprised if they just continue the same game and say "oh Android users can just access through their browser!".

Such a scenario is obviously better than DTV for those who can't get a dish (HOA), but I don't think it's as good a landing spot as Disney or Amazon. Both of them will be more universal in their approach.

Too bad MLB Advanced media not making a play and expanding to different sports! Their product is just so far ahead of anything out there. But their business model (subscription as main source of revenue, not ads) is restrictive for them.

^ My guess is at the end of the day, Disney ends up winning out. The back bone of Disney/ESPN streaming was built on the MBL Advanced media work.

The other plus, is Disney can package Sunday Ticket on top of Hulu Live TV.

I can easily see an outcome where say a $400 annual package gets you Hulu/Disney/ESPN and Sunday Ticket.