Disney, Apple, Amazon wait on the winning Sunday Ticket Bid

In comment 15741144 moze1021 said:

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Yeah so the downside is IF these companies DON'T improve their offerings. As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Apple has ZERO applications on Google Play app store. I suppose that can change, and i hope it does, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Apple Music is available in Googe Play, so that might be an indication.

AppleTV+ can only be accessed via browser on an Android mobile device. There is an AppleTV+ app for the Android OS powered TV streaming devices (Roku, FireStick, GoogleTV etc.)

If Apple wins the bid, there’s zero chance they don’t offer an archive and fast-forward on delay.

There’s less of a guarantee they’ll release a mobile Android app. But if you can watch through a browser is that a huge deal?

In comment 15741148 Snablats said:

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But you cant get out of market games on live stream platforms, you can with DTV. And I only need one service for my tv watching, not 3 or 4. DTV has a really easy DVR, how are the others better? Have you ever had DTV?

I had DTV for about 15 years in CA and paid anywhere between $80-$130 a month, plus the various sports packages.

I then moved into a building in Manhattan that wouldn’t allow a dish, and switched to YouTubeTV. I found the 85 channels for $65 sufficient, and of course could watch NY games locally.

I then moved to Texas, and added the VPN I referenced above for $50 a year, and was able to maintain my local channels from NY.

The reality is DTV is losing Sunday Ticket, and you’ll either have to pony up for a 2nd service, or switch to streaming live provider and spoof your IP.

For what I need, DTV has been best. Nothing extra to do, don't need several platforms or fire sticks or rokus to get everything

That article posted says DTV may be willing to be a pass through for the winning bidder, offering Sunday Ticket but sending the payment for it to the winning bidder

You don't need the ny sports channels, so you can do whatever you want. Many of us need those channels, or access to the games packages. And DTV has it all in one place

In comment 15741149 christian said:

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In comment 15741144 moze1021 said: Quote: Yeah so the downside is IF these companies DON'T improve their offerings. As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Apple has ZERO applications on Google Play app store. I suppose that can change, and i hope it does, but I'll believe it when I see it. Apple Music is available in Googe Play, so that might be an indication. AppleTV+ can only be accessed via browser on an Android mobile device. There is an AppleTV+ app for the Android OS powered TV streaming devices (Roku, FireStick, GoogleTV etc.) If Apple wins the bid, there’s zero chance they don’t offer an archive and fast-forward on delay. There’s less of a guarantee they’ll release a mobile Android app. But if you can watch through a browser is that a huge deal?

Yes it's a huge deal. Trying to watch Mets through chrome browser was absolutely terrible. No PIP and had to restart back at splash page every time you closed and reopened browser.

Also it's not just the fast forward on delay but ability to rewind live that is needed.

I'm watching Mets right now on MLB.TV app while typing this on my phone. Mets game is taking up 1/4 of my screen and I can do whatever else I want that isn't audio/video on my phone for next few hours while watching the game, sitting out by the pool

I personally found DTV quite expensive, and found having a dish and a box a pain.

The Fire Stick is the size of my car key, and is an easy place to centralize my live streaming TV provider (YouTubeTV) with my on demand streaming services.

I moved from Manhattan, to Austin, and now back upstate, not to mention work trips all over the country -- and haven't missed a Giants game.

I spent 20 bucks on the Fire Stick, $65 a month for YouTubeTV, and $2.50 a month for my VPN.

For a Knicks/Mets/Giants fan -- it's crazy to not have that same setup -- but with Fubo.

For 20 bucks for a Fire Stick, $70 a month for Fubo, and $2.50 a month for a VPN -- and you get 120 channels, every Knicks game, every Mets game, and every Giants game for $72.50 a month.

Such as A&E, TNT, TBS - at least as of last year. They also don't have a couple children's channels my kids watch. No league mlb, NHL, NBA channels. And the dvr is $17/month. How many shows can you record at the same time? Like DTV they charge for extra tvs

You end up paying a similar price for less channels

I would lose by switching, and I wouldnt have had easy TV access to Sunday Ticket - I like watching other games, too. As I say, everyone has their own reasons for their tv setup

Im hoping DTV still offers it as a pass through

In comment 15741209 moze1021 said:

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I'm watching Mets right now on MLB.TV app while typing this on my phone. Mets game is taking up 1/4 of my screen and I can do whatever else I want that isn't audio/video on my phone for next few hours while watching the game, sitting out by the pool

Do you have to say that you live in NY to get that?

I’ve lived out of network since 2003 and cut the chord in 2012. I’ve been able to see any and every game I’ve wanted to even way back then in streaming infancy.

The $70 Fubo package includes 1000 hours of DVR and multiple devices at once. It's actually a really good deal, I had never really looked into it.

There are channels DTV has the live stream carriers don't. And DTV definitely is easier to centralize the all access sports packages. I used their product for more than a decade.

If they lose Sunday Ticket, and the new owner does allow a pass through, the days of free Sunday Ticket promos is over. But I doubt that pass through will happen.

The on demand streaming services are buying up content so you subscribe with them.

In comment 15741301 steve in ky said:

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In comment 15741209 moze1021 said: Quote: I'm watching Mets right now on MLB.TV app while typing this on my phone. Mets game is taking up 1/4 of my screen and I can do whatever else I want that isn't audio/video on my phone for next few hours while watching the game, sitting out by the pool Do you have to say that you live in NY to get that?

No I pay for MLB.TV... I live outside Philadelphia

I have used some GPS faking apps to trick my YoutubeTV app into thinking I'm on NY though.. that does indeed work. I'd just prefer to pay for a solid service like MLB.TV and avoid the hassle

In comment 15740950 moze1021 said:

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In comment 15740949 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 15740944 moze1021 said: Quote: Their live baseball foray has been a complete failure. Unless they make significant improvements including a deal with Google for an app, that has to be the worse outcome for fans. Have to root for Disney and Amazon. Apple wouldn’t be producing the games. Just streaming them. Yes..and they have been terrible at that with MLB.. No ability to pause/rewind/record... No app for 50% of mobile devices in the country... And constant freezing/skipping...

Yeah, I'm surprised they'd consider Apple since Sunday Ticket would be iPhone/Mac exclusive. Though I guess that still reaches more people than it currently does.

Disney can go bankrupt please.

will be moving into the modern era. No reason why anyone should to put an eyesore of a dish on their house to watch NFL games.

well on their way to doing that, since they have become deaf, dumb and blind to their core audience.

just to piss off the crybaby contingent.

Disney is a logical choice. They've proven a very similar concept from a platform perspective with ESPN+ and UFC pay per view.

My guess is Sunday Ticket will be a ~$300 annual product and include ESPN+.

The tech stack is already there, and the UFC archive and streaming package is high quality. If Disney wins the bid, they'll produce a high quality product.

and they seem to be doing just fine. disney+ has been successful beyond expectations and around their portfolio i thought espn did a really good job with nhl streaming. we did disneyland last year on a random weekday and it was packed. seemed like more people than pre-pandemic.

honestly any of the bidders will likely do a better job than the sunday ticket app. it was honestly the worst app of any of the tier 1 streaming apps. worse than nba, nhl, mlb, and all the entertainment companies. the nfl should have been embarrassed by it.

I realize the parks are way overpriced, but so is every amusement park

Directv IS modern - all digital, no buffering/skipping/shuddering, all in one package, more channels, no need for 8 different streams to watch tv, and a DVR. The reason more dishes now are in the front of the house is cheapness of the installers not wanting to use more coax cable to put it in the back. Unsightly? Are you from Better Homes and Gardens? Dishes are so common now no one cares

Its still by far the best way to get out of market sports with a DVR

Legit question - for those of you streaming through your phone (like moze) or streaming in the house, dont you have to pay more per month for "unlimited" data for phone or home internet plans in order to stream everything?

17 weeks of football (all games effectively) for less than $20 a week is expensive? That’s not meant to demean anyone who’s on a budget but we’re you expecting prices to just never rise? I think going to football games is too expensive so I don’t go - those that do go, do you expect tickets to cost the same 10 years from now?

Mobile access, 4K, DVR, likely other in game and between game content, etc. All that for what you paid a decade ago with direct TV? I just don’t get the logic and entitlement.

wifi will cover you, and when no wifi most US cellular plans offer unlimited data packages. Mine with T-Mobile is relatively cheap. I don’t watch football on my phone but can easily do that if I want. Or if I project a game outside I can pull up whatever app the game is on and get it through wifi.

Times are changing. You may not watch football that way now but you might later. And it will never get there if it doesn’t start somewhere. Being against this makes no sense.

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i would imagine anyone doing any version of hybrid wfh would have some kind of reimbursement. versions of mobile reimbursements have been a thing for more than a decade. i can't imagine any small biz owner isn't writing both off and that what 20-30m households?

the need for internet access broadly isn't going anywhere.
the quality of content/capability with over the air TV has been in decline for 2-3 decades and will only continue.

In comment 15741438 Snablats said:

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I realize the parks are way overpriced, but so is every amusement park Directv IS modern - all digital, no buffering/skipping/shuddering, all in one package, more channels, no need for 8 different streams to watch tv, and a DVR. The reason more dishes now are in the front of the house is cheapness of the installers not wanting to use more coax cable to put it in the back. Unsightly? Are you from Better Homes and Gardens? Dishes are so common now no one cares Its still by far the best way to get out of market sports with a DVR Legit question - for those of you streaming through your phone (like moze) or streaming in the house, dont you have to pay more per month for "unlimited" data for phone or home internet plans in order to stream everything?

I stream mostly at home, with Verizon FiOS 1Gb unlimited data... My cell plan is grandfathered 12gb monthly data through Verizon, since I have no need for the unlimited data plan that costs more.

Everything at home is through Internet now...YoutubeTV, Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, HBO Max, MLB.TV, Apple TV+, Paramount, etc... Cut the cord on Comcast and I pay less now, but still a lot..lol

In comment 15741438 Snablats said:

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I realize the parks are way overpriced, but so is every amusement park Directv IS modern - all digital, no buffering/skipping/shuddering, all in one package, more channels, no need for 8 different streams to watch tv, and a DVR. The reason more dishes now are in the front of the house is cheapness of the installers not wanting to use more coax cable to put it in the back. Unsightly? Are you from Better Homes and Gardens? Dishes are so common now no one cares Its still by far the best way to get out of market sports with a DVR Legit question - for those of you streaming through your phone (like moze) or streaming in the house, dont you have to pay more per month for "unlimited" data for phone or home internet plans in order to stream everything?

Politics and/or content monopolization - pick one.

To be able to stream everything, right?

I'm pretty sure my wifi plan has a cap on data

but i mean i dont know all the companies and options. I have verizon, internet only, pay 80 a month and stream everything. Usually streaming multiple things at once, TV with the wife, ipad for sports, etc.. WHile also hosting a media server that friends connect to. Data has never been an issue.

And most cell companies have unlimited now as well without much if any cost increase. We have a 4 line family plan and actually saved money when we went to unlimited.

I'm not watching through my phone

You pay for the speed.

When I put in the Wi-Fi there

I'm looking at their website now and there is a cap on the data. And yes you pay more for more speed, which you need if you're going to have to stream everything. So that adds to the cost as well

using a ton of high speed data, have never seen a cap. Probably not any issue for anyone that isn’t streaming 4K. HD is under 5mbps, 4K is around 30mbps.

I don’t know anyone who streams all their stuff and cares, worries, or experiences capped data.

An unlimited plan, or their employer does. And as you said, you pay more for the speed, and you need more speed for all the streaming

there is no cap

This is going in circles though. There isn’t 100% no downside - there’s varying degrees depending on your set up and preferences. But it’s the future and it’s going to be the preferred option for the majority (likely already is). Costs are going to increase whether they NFL ticket is offered by DTV or someone else so complaining about price is irrelevant - the meal ticket is over once their deal expired.

If you want to offset prices, buy your own router and stop renting one, and any cable boxes from your ISP. That along can save $10/month per device in most cases. Use the savings for better internet.

So I don't know why you keep focusing on that

In comment 15741474 Italianju said:

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And most cell companies have unlimited now as well without much if any cost increase. We have a 4 line family plan and actually saved money when we went to unlimited.

Unlimited cell plans have a cap on high speed data. Breach the cap and they throttle your speed. Which can make video streaming problematic.

In comment 15741516 CGiants07 said:

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there is no cap

This is false.

In comment 15741526 Snablats said:

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So I don't know why you keep focusing on that

Other are and have. But you are saying you’ll need better internet, so I’m addressing that too. My focus has been - streaming will benefit many more people than it will inconvenience. And those it inconveniences have options to join the club one day in a number of different ways and price points if they are open minded.

In comment 15741551 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 15741526 Snablats said: Quote: So I don't know why you keep focusing on that Other are and have. But you are saying you’ll need better internet, so I’m addressing that too. My focus has been - streaming will benefit many more people than it will inconvenience. And those it inconveniences have options to join the club one day in a number of different ways and price points if they are open minded.

Right, I would have to accept inferior product and pay more for it

I pay $80 a month total for 1 Gig up/download with no cap and run about 10 devices with zero issues.

If you live in an area with bad internet streaming isn't the best option. Conversely if you live in an area with bad weather or in a residential building satellite isn't the best option.

you aren’t very educated on this, hate to be so blunt. You are asking how data/wifi works and don’t really know how the options to stream benefit people. Maybe to you it’s inferior now because you don’t like change but refusing to acknowledge the advantages is strange. Year 1 or two there will be speed bumps, long term it will be the gold standard. Up to you on how long you want to avoid the inevitable.

the contract is up, if DTV was able to renew they’d have to raise prices.

I get it free...

In comment 15741580 UConn4523 said:

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you aren’t very educated on this, hate to be so blunt. You are asking how data/wifi works and don’t really know how the options to stream benefit people. Maybe to you it’s inferior now because you don’t like change but refusing to acknowledge the advantages is strange. Year 1 or two there will be speed bumps, long term it will be the gold standard. Up to you on how long you want to avoid the inevitable.

I'm not asking how it works, I'm verifying what I knew, that there are caps and speed is also still more expensive

about the Apple baseball broadcasts and they are all valid. Horrible announcers poor camera work, etc. But have any of you seen the 4K picture? It is stunning.

If the NFL is going to broadcast the Sunday Ticket in 4K on Apple TV and I have to pay for it? Sign me up. If it's $500 it's still way cheaper than attending games and a way better experience in every way for me. If you live in NY you'll get the Giants, Jets and games of the week free anyway. I think the Sunday Ticket is for transplants and local fanatics.

for me to care about the broadcast. And that’s something that they can improve over time if it isn’t good off the bat. Nothing matters more for sports than 4K - it’s just a huge game changer. And the cable companies just can’t do it at scale.

You said it more succinctly. I haven't seen a football game in 4K yet. I'm looking forward to it.