I thought the funniest part was when he told Schartz he had no idea what Schwartz or any other reporter thought of him as he read nothing about himself. He did admit he had some idea of what reporters thought based on their questions.
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Sounds like a perfect backup QB.
Jones learns quickly and there is no doubt he will understand the nuances of this offense quickly. He just to date seems to lack at times pocket awareness and lacks that quick read and throw without bird-dogging his guy. Lets see how he does this year so I give him four pre-season games "in-season" meaning we can't overly judge him for a new system followed by four games to get a better evaluation. We should know after 8 or so games who we have at the helm: our future or just another QB.
I want Jones to have a superb year where at least a few teams think he upgrades them as a starter and are willing to overpay on the market. This assumes we have 5 or 6 wins and a Top 8 pick where a QB will be in play 2023.
My gut tells me that its a "toss up" as to whether Jones is evaluated to be our guy for the future and his injury history is definitely against him.
What a guy can see in less 2 than seconds isn’t the same as what he got on his SATs.
I watched “A football life” about Brett Farve where he said he didn’t even know what “dime” defense meant until he played like 7 years.
I guess the presnap ability is more closely correlated to intelligence but once than ball is snapped, there’s more instinct involved.
Yup, and if he still can't show it he'll be replaced. It's as simple as that. It may not happen as early as some would like - I've said repeatedly that Mara will have to be dragged away from him kicking and screaming - but it will happen.
#1..If he can come real close to his rookie year numbers, minus the fumbles,we have a good QB,for the next couple of years..
#2..Then in the next 2 drafts,we can continue to get the best defensive players to add in the 1st two rounds..Rd's 3 and down,Offensive & any other player positions can be addressed..
Jones learns quickly and there is no doubt he will understand the nuances of this offense quickly. He just to date seems to lack at times pocket awareness and lacks that quick read and throw without bird-dogging his guy. Lets see how he does this year so I give him four pre-season games "in-season" meaning we can't overly judge him for a new system followed by four games to get a better evaluation. We should know after 8 or so games who we have at the helm: our future or just another QB.
I want Jones to have a superb year where at least a few teams think he upgrades them as a starter and are willing to overpay on the market. This assumes we have 5 or 6 wins and a Top 8 pick where a QB will be in play 2023.
My gut tells me that its a "toss up" as to whether Jones is evaluated to be our guy for the future and his injury history is definitely against him.
A superb year means we are likely a playoff team and that means he’s staying here. You can’t want him to be awesome while also sucking as a team, other than Watsons last full year playing (when they let up almost 30 ppg), when does this actually happen?
That quality is what carries and separates the good from the great and Jones has that and the new Giants org recognizes that, hence why they are giving him one final opportunity to be the player they all envision.
This is why we should all hope that he becomes our long term starter rather then just recycle in another draft pick.
If he isn't, then he isn't ...but if he is..and he does play at a higher level and shows what his potential can be, he would already have the mental tools to be a long term leader of this team.
That quality is what carries and separates the good from the great and Jones has that and the new Giants org recognizes that, hence why they are giving him one final opportunity to be the player they all envision.
This is why we should all hope that he becomes our long term starter rather then just recycle in another draft pick.
If he isn't, then he isn't ...but if he is..and he does play at a higher level and shows what his potential can be, he would already have the mental tools to be a long term leader of this team.
I'm rooting for him and Barkley to have big seasons. We'll see what happens but going by recent history the odds are against both of them.
This is why we should all hope that he becomes our long term starter rather then just recycle in another draft pick.
If he isn't, then he isn't ...but if he is..and he does play at a higher level and shows what his potential can be, he would already have the mental tools to be a long term leader of this team.
Given Daniel Jones's history of injuries, the Giants will need to develop a rookie behind him if they sign him for big bucks. They won't be able to afford a quality veteran backup. Ergo my point about the Giants being in the QB market one way or the other come next year's draft.
Given Daniel Jones's history of injuries, the Giants will need to develop a rookie behind him if they sign him for big bucks. They won't be able to afford a quality veteran backup. Ergo my point about the Giants being in the QB market one way or the other come next year's draft.
Tyrod Taylor is signed for 2 years.
May want to consider that in rethinking some of the above...
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Given Daniel Jones's history of injuries, the Giants will need to develop a rookie behind him if they sign him for big bucks. They won't be able to afford a quality veteran backup. Ergo my point about the Giants being in the QB market one way or the other come next year's draft.
Tyrod Taylor is signed for 2 years.
May want to consider that in rethinking some of the above...
b) Or they could keep him through the draft pick's rookie year. It'll give the rookie a chance to learn the system before being asked to win games if Jones were to be injured.
What a guy can see in less 2 than seconds isn’t the same as what he got on his SATs.
I watched “A football life” about Brett Farve where he said he didn’t even know what “dime” defense meant until he played like 7 years.
I guess the presnap ability is more closely correlated to intelligence but once than ball is snapped, there’s more instinct involved.
I heard an interview with Mark Zuckerberg and he was saying that his brain takes time to process shit. No one would call him a dummy.
For Jones, there's 2 options when back foot hits: throw (while taking a hit) or run for your life. Going through progressions is a nice thing rich people have.
He may or may not be good, and we should find out for sure this year. But I am willing to give him a pass on the processing speed until he's actually given reasonable playing circumstances.
We can get frustrated with him all we want, yell DO IT ANYWAYZ!!!, but most QBs aren't doing jack squat given what he's been handed thus far.
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Intelligence doesn’t necessarily mean fast processor on the field.
What a guy can see in less 2 than seconds isn’t the same as what he got on his SATs.
I watched “A football life” about Brett Farve where he said he didn’t even know what “dime” defense meant until he played like 7 years.
I guess the presnap ability is more closely correlated to intelligence but once than ball is snapped, there’s more instinct involved.
I heard an interview with Mark Zuckerberg and he was saying that his brain takes time to process shit. No one would call him a dummy.
Pre-snap ability is also correlated with experience and repetition. Daniel Jones has had to learn 2 offenses in 3 seasons (and now will have a 3rd). His 2nd year in Garrett's offense was noticeably better in certain areas than the 1st year. Most QBs need time to get to the point where they are no longer overthinking pre-snap or even post-snap and are just using their talent, knowing where his guys are going to be, can make the o-line calls, read the blitz and coverages based on certain formations, etc.,
For Jones, there's 2 options when back foot hits: throw (while taking a hit) or run for your life. Going through progressions is a nice thing rich people have.
He may or may not be good, and we should find out for sure this year. But I am willing to give him a pass on the processing speed until he's actually given reasonable playing circumstances.
We can get frustrated with him all we want, yell DO IT ANYWAYZ!!!, but most QBs aren't doing jack squat given what he's been handed thus far.
Would it surprise you to know Jones was tied for the 8th most pocket time, was dead middle of the in percentage of snaps he was pressured, and only scrambled 24 times last year?
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May or may not be true. But it's funny how getting your skull crushed as soon as the ball is snapped affects processing speed. What did Montana's processing speed look like when he lost 49-3?
For Jones, there's 2 options when back foot hits: throw (while taking a hit) or run for your life. Going through progressions is a nice thing rich people have.
He may or may not be good, and we should find out for sure this year. But I am willing to give him a pass on the processing speed until he's actually given reasonable playing circumstances.
We can get frustrated with him all we want, yell DO IT ANYWAYZ!!!, but most QBs aren't doing jack squat given what he's been handed thus far.
Would it surprise you to know Jones was tied for the 8th most pocket time, was dead middle of the in percentage of snaps he was pressured, and only scrambled 24 times last year?
We all watched him play all of his games.
There are plenty of times he drops back and has time to make a play. judge him only on those plays if you want, it isn't good enough. I'm not god or a time traveler, I don't know what is going to happen next.
I think it EXTREMELY unlikely Daniel Jones shocks the world and looks like the next Josh Allen. I wont say it can't happen, I admit that I would love that to happen. I also want my own jet.
There's no doubt Gettleman produced a bad team and staff. But the tragedy of Daniel Jones's circumstances is greatly exaggerated.
And then there's the crazy notion he's part of the problem.
For Jones, there's 2 options when back foot hits: throw (while taking a hit) or run for your life. Going through progressions is a nice thing rich people have.
He may or may not be good, and we should find out for sure this year. But I am willing to give him a pass on the processing speed until he's actually given reasonable playing circumstances.
We can get frustrated with him all we want, yell DO IT ANYWAYZ!!!, but most QBs aren't doing jack squat given what he's been handed thus far.
I once saw Joe Montana get sacked 8X times in Philly, along with who knows how many other hits, and rally the 9ers from 21-10 deficit in the 4th qtr to score 28 points to win 38-28. White, Brown and Pitts were destroying the 49er OL all day. So, bringing up the great Joe Montana is a very poor choice here.
In other words, franchise QBs find a way. Or at the very least, show enough moments under poor circumstances where the average eye can see there is really something good there. I continue to challenge anyone, especially the last two seasons, where Jones had remotely shown ANY reason why he's worth keeping.
This is why these Eli comps are so daft because Eli had so many moments where he showed he had skills to make plays despite playing in an environment that wasn't football Xanadu.
There's no doubt Gettleman produced a bad team and staff. But the tragedy of Daniel Jones's circumstances is greatly exaggerated.
And then there's the crazy notion he's part of the problem.
Agreed on the "running for his life" and "beaten to death" comments. And the latest injury happened on a designed run, not getting hit on his blindside.
The improved OL will help though, and he should have a better year. Will it be "enough"? I doubt it, but its possible.