so the Wall St Journal just came out with a breaking story (paywall) that the NFL is pushing for an indefinite suspension that would last no shorter than one year for Watson. That would mean he would be out for one season, at least, before he could apply to be reinstated.
The rest of the article says if more accusers come forward his one year could easily become a multi year suspension.
Also what great spine the NFL has putting this out on Saturday evening.
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.
Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to
Who accused Kraft of anything non-consensual?
Stop bringing up stupid examples that are nothing like this.
Roethlisberger is the closest and the victim unfortunately refused to pursue it and criminal charges could not be proven.
First get your panties out of a bunch
Secondly he was getting a massage and your have no idea if it was consensual. Historically, many of those women are forced to work there
Also. They said owners, not other players. Reading is fundamental, big Ben had no breeding in my comment. By definition that was the stupidest example your could have used
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.
Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to
Who accused Kraft of anything non-consensual?
Stop bringing up stupid examples that are nothing like this.
Roethlisberger is the closest and the victim unfortunately refused to pursue it and criminal charges could not be proven.
First get your panties out of a bunch
Secondly he was getting a massage and your have no idea if it was consensual. Historically, many of those women are forced to work there
Also. They said owners, not other players. Reading is fundamental, big Ben had no breeding in my comment. By definition that was the stupidest example your could have used
What are you seven? my panties in a bunch?
try and act like an adult for a change.
No, Kraft is in no way like Watson because in your mind it may not have been consensual because sometimes women are forced to work there, but nowhere in any new story about the case has that accusation come up. It would be big news.
In fact, if you bothered to read about the case before the diarrhea came out of your mouth/fingers you would know the women Kraft had "visited" pleaded guilty to soliciting another for prostitution. If Kraft had been charged it would have been for soliciting and it's a misdemeanor.
Read something before spouting off.
My comment about Roethlisberger was clearly my advice that the owner angle isn't going to cut it and if he truly plans to use whataboutism as his defense he's better off using players.
That move felt like the owners made that move. It was out of character with everything the current management has done with that team.
The NFL 'put this out'?? What you mean is the Wall Street Journal is reporting it.
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.
Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to
Who accused Kraft of anything non-consensual?
Stop bringing up stupid examples that are nothing like this.
Roethlisberger is the closest and the victim unfortunately refused to pursue it and criminal charges could not be proven.
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.
Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to
Who accused Kraft of anything non-consensual?
Stop bringing up stupid examples that are nothing like this.
Roethlisberger is the closest and the victim unfortunately refused to pursue it and criminal charges could not be proven.
So the Asian sex slave who polished Kraft's knob "gave her consent" ? Strange sense of justice some people have.
another expert who hasn't read a word of the case and thinks he knows everything.
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.
Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to
No.
Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to
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Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to
Not even close. With Kraft it was consensual. He was a repeat customer of the same woman who was in her forties or fifties, if I recall.
IIRC, 50s..yes.
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So the Asian sex slave who polished Kraft's knob "gave her consent" ? Strange sense of justice some people have.
Asian sex slave??? Do you get your news from Alex Jones?
You may try Joy Reid to be accurate...
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.
Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to
Who accused Kraft of anything non-consensual?
Stop bringing up stupid examples that are nothing like this.
Roethlisberger is the closest and the victim unfortunately refused to pursue it and criminal charges could not be proven.
First get your panties out of a bunch
Secondly he was getting a massage and your have no idea if it was consensual. Historically, many of those women are forced to work there
Also. They said owners, not other players. Reading is fundamental, big Ben had no breeding in my comment. By definition that was the stupidest example your could have used
What are you seven? my panties in a bunch?
try and act like an adult for a change.
No, Kraft is in no way like Watson because in your mind it may not have been consensual because sometimes women are forced to work there, but nowhere in any new story about the case has that accusation come up. It would be big news.
In fact, if you bothered to read about the case before the diarrhea came out of your mouth/fingers you would know the women Kraft had "visited" pleaded guilty to soliciting another for prostitution. If Kraft had been charged it would have been for soliciting and it's a misdemeanor.
Read something before spouting off.
My comment about Roethlisberger was clearly my advice that the owner angle isn't going to cut it and if he truly plans to use whataboutism as his defense he's better off using players.
Act like an adult for a change, it's like you think you know me. Then you go off with diarrhea of the mouth and fingers? Yes that I haven't used since I was like 12.
I am sure many folks plead out to a lesser crime. So I know if it was out was not sex trafficking? You're right, I don't. So I know folks lie to protect themselves and their families, sure do. Do I have evidence of such in Kraft's case. Nope. Have I read what was publish at the time, sure. Do I believe it all? Nope not a chance. Did the cops mention sex trafficking though? I'll let you look that up
What do I do know. You're an ass if you think the players association will bring up Ben.
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So the Asian sex slave who polished Kraft's knob "gave her consent" ? Strange sense of justice some people have.
Asian sex slave??? Do you get your news from Alex Jones?
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.
Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to
Who accused Kraft of anything non-consensual?
Stop bringing up stupid examples that are nothing like this.
Roethlisberger is the closest and the victim unfortunately refused to pursue it and criminal charges could not be proven.
First get your panties out of a bunch
Secondly he was getting a massage and your have no idea if it was consensual. Historically, many of those women are forced to work there
Also. They said owners, not other players. Reading is fundamental, big Ben had no breeding in my comment. By definition that was the stupidest example your could have used
What are you seven? my panties in a bunch?
try and act like an adult for a change.
No, Kraft is in no way like Watson because in your mind it may not have been consensual because sometimes women are forced to work there, but nowhere in any new story about the case has that accusation come up. It would be big news.
In fact, if you bothered to read about the case before the diarrhea came out of your mouth/fingers you would know the women Kraft had "visited" pleaded guilty to soliciting another for prostitution. If Kraft had been charged it would have been for soliciting and it's a misdemeanor.
Read something before spouting off.
My comment about Roethlisberger was clearly my advice that the owner angle isn't going to cut it and if he truly plans to use whataboutism as his defense he's better off using players.
Act like an adult for a change, it's like you think you know me. Then you go off with diarrhea of the mouth and fingers? Yes that I haven't used since I was like 12.
I am sure many folks plead out to a lesser crime. So I know if it was out was not sex trafficking? You're right, I don't. So I know folks lie to protect themselves and their families, sure do. Do I have evidence of such in Kraft's case. Nope. Have I read what was publish at the time, sure. Do I believe it all? Nope not a chance. Did the cops mention sex trafficking though? I'll let you look that up
What do I do know. You're an ass if you think the players association will bring up Ben.
Some free advice. When you're in a hole. Stop digging.
You made an un-researched assumption that has been parroted by people who also don't know the facts and you're 100% wrong. Now you're scrambling to try and move goalposts and find some shred to cling to or frantically searching google to see WTF you got yourself into.
Just offer a mea culpa and move on or just move on.
Only like 2 million or something small like that it’s like they knew 🙄
p.s.--Do you and all your friends and family enjoy working at their dream job? Must be nice.
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Ok dumbass, I'm going to to point to the obvious.
You have no fucking clue.
Why did I ask if Kraft was an exact match?
Because frankly, if I'm the NFLPA lawyer I point to this case.
Kraft had a massage and some sexual favors. Let's assume it was consensual.
Watson had a massage and some sexual favors. Let's assume it was consensual. Until he is convicted you can assume nothing else.
You didn't punish Kraft in any real sense, you can't punish Watson either
Your dumbass missed the whole point of my comment and I toyed with you after your rant.
But your the expert, so please, educate me show me all the interviews and video evidence. Including the stuff Kraft had suppressed
Since your can't your are working on assumptions that were available in the press.
So please, take the shovel and keep digging .
Not saying Watson did or didn't, but those two seem pretty shady as well.
Kraft had a massage and some sexual favors. Let's assume it was consensual.
Watson had a massage and some sexual favors. Let's assume it was consensual. Until he is convicted you can assume nothing else.
You didn't punish Kraft in any real sense, you can't punish Watson either
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You're right. Its the dream of every female immigrant to America to give $50 hand jobs to billionaires in seedy trailers.
It's not the dream of every immigrant to clean houses or bus dishes or harvest oranges or wait tables but it's what people do sometime to pay the bills. And it's not just immigrants.
p.s.--Do you and all your friends and family enjoy working at their dream job? Must be nice.
p.s.--Where did you get this information that Shen Mingbi lives and works out of a trailer? I seriously doubt that the Orchards of Asia Day Spa is a trailer. I'm having trouble picturing the police breaking into it and installing a hidden camera while Shen's out food shopping.
According to the Jupiter Police Department, a hidden surveillance camera recorded Mingbi performing a sex act on Kraft at Orchids of Asia Day spa on Jan. 19. Police said that hidden camera was installed two days prior, on Jan. 17, as part of a 'sneak-and-peek' search warrant.
as of now...no one claimed anything even remotely close to that and the masseuse is charged with a crime. Sex/human trafficking is a red herring in all this. Sure, there are sex workers (or even just unwilling people) are who trafficked and it's tragic, but there was an ACTUAL investigation on this exact spa and the prosecutor said in his exact words:
".....He did, however, acknowledge that there was not enough evidence to suggest that the women working at the spa were doing so against their will. “No one is being charged with human trafficking. There is no human trafficking that arises out of this investigation,” he said."
So these morons can try and equate the two incidents, and can bring up stuff like the Wire, lol, but there was an actual (like IRL) investigation in this case, so we have you know....facts.
$230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary)
$44.965M Signing Bonus
Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension.
The family that owns the Browns are criminal scumbags. Watson fits in perfectly there.
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.
Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to
Exact match? Did the masseuse that Kraft got caught with press charges on him? There's an absolutely massive distinction between the two.
And then there is the whole Dan Snyder thing. Which is sleazy at best and probably has criminal wrongdoing at worst (but probably not enough to be convictable).
I'm not defending Watson here, just saying that the NFLPA does have a point about double standards when it comes to owner behavior vs player behavior.
Indeed, the owners should be held to a higher standard than the players.
as of now...no one claimed anything even remotely close to that and the masseuse is charged with a crime. Sex/human trafficking is a red herring in all this. Sure, there are sex workers (or even just unwilling people) are who trafficked and it's tragic, but there was an ACTUAL investigation on this exact spa and the prosecutor said in his exact words:
".....He did, however, acknowledge that there was not enough evidence to suggest that the women working at the spa were doing so against their will. “No one is being charged with human trafficking. There is no human trafficking that arises out of this investigation,” he said."
So these morons can try and equate the two incidents, and can bring up stuff like the Wire, lol, but there was an actual (like IRL) investigation in this case, so we have you know....facts.
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you know how the Kraft case would be even remotely similar to Watson? If the masseuse alleged that Kraft exposed himself to her unwillingly or even pressured or forced her to commit sex acts. And then 23 more people alleged the same thing.
as of now...no one claimed anything even remotely close to that and the masseuse is charged with a crime. Sex/human trafficking is a red herring in all this. Sure, there are sex workers (or even just unwilling people) are who trafficked and it's tragic, but there was an ACTUAL investigation on this exact spa and the prosecutor said in his exact words:
".....He did, however, acknowledge that there was not enough evidence to suggest that the women working at the spa were doing so against their will. “No one is being charged with human trafficking. There is no human trafficking that arises out of this investigation,” he said."
So these morons can try and equate the two incidents, and can bring up stuff like the Wire, lol, but there was an actual (like IRL) investigation in this case, so we have you know....facts.
You are usually a good poster so it is surprising that you've buried your head in the sand over these two issues. The point is both Kraft and Watson are involved with possible sexual misconduct. One was never investigated by the NFL, the other is being threatened with a long suspension. You say the authorities found no misconduct was found in the "spa" where Kraft was getting his jollies. You can say the same thing about Watson. No criminal charges were filed.
Kraft was not going to multiple spots and with multiple women.
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You're right. Its the dream of every female immigrant to America to give $50 hand jobs to billionaires in seedy trailers.
It's not the dream of every immigrant to clean houses or bus dishes or harvest oranges or wait tables but it's what people do sometime to pay the bills. And it's not just immigrants.
p.s.--Do you and all your friends and family enjoy working at their dream job? Must be nice.
Are you really as stupid as you sound ? Can you not tell the difference between a waiter or housekeeper and an immigrant who lives in a trailer and performs sex acts there ? Do you think she had a choice ? I invite you to watch Season 2 of "The Wire" and educate yourself
It's not about the difference in degree, it's about the logic of constraint and the nature of consent.
You are confusing the two
Please let there be some good Giants football this season.
p.s.--And criminal charges were filed in Robert Kraft's case. Four women were charged with prostitution and it cost each of them in the thousands. On the other hand, in Watson's case, twenty of the twenty-four women involved received at least six figures each in a settlement with the four remaining victims so far unwilling to settle. But I guess that's just a minor detail in the grand scheme of things that would have players face the same consequences for an illegal right turn as they would for vehicular manslaughter because, you know, they both involve vehicular misconduct.
You're really being silly. Watson is not facing suspension because he got happy endings. Even a lot of them. He's facing suspension because the league finds the accusations that he forced women to be credible. The league has always been clear that criminal charges, let alone conviction, are not a necessary condition for them to find a player's misconduct worthy of suspension, and this is an example of that.
Would the league have suspended Kraft if there was evidence that he forced, or tried to force, women to play with his junk when they didn't want to? Who knows? I certainly think it's possible they would have soft pedaled it for an owner, imposing little, or at least lesser, discipline. Similarly, would the league try to suspend Watson if it came out that he liked massages with happy endings, but there were no claims of misconduct? I doubt it, but again, who knows? But those would be analogous situations. The actual situations are not, and it's entirely reasonable that there is a significant difference in discipline between one person who was never accused of anything non-consensual, and one who's been accused by a couple dozen women. What the right level of discipline is, in either case, is obviously subjective and we all may have different opinions. But it's really quite straightforward that they're different situations and should not face the same level of discipline, regardless of status as player or owner, and citing Kraft is not a compelling case with respect to Watson's potential punishment.
And then there is the whole Dan Snyder thing. Which is sleazy at best and probably has criminal wrongdoing at worst (but probably not enough to be convictable).
I'm not defending Watson here, just saying that the NFLPA does have a point about double standards when it comes to owner behavior vs player behavior.
One guy went to a place that performs sexual favors for money and the other guy forced himself upon countless women who, according to them, did not want any sexual interaction. Totally different. If it was Kraft who did the latter, I would be shitting on him too.
Fuck the Browns too. What kind of shit hole franchise makes that piece of garbage the face of their franchise? Browns fans are going to take their kids to cheer for Watson? For everyone lining up to kick Mara Tisch in the balls for their ownership shortcomings, and sure there’s been some, at least they never went after Watson.
I’d say it’s more like a…reach.
Taking any morality out the argument here, he should’ve just settled with the ones he could have in the first place. That was either a dumb ass move on his part or his legal team. Judging by the person, I think it was likely Watson.
He’s obviously shown he’s a scum bag but, this argument of what any owners did in the past is weak. The owners don’t play on the field. The average fan couldn’t give two shits about them. Watson was one of the better QB’s in the NFL before this and was essentially going to be/if not already the face of the franchise post Watt. The NFLPA has a mountain to climb.
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.
Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to
While what Kraft did was not legal, he did not sexually assault anyone. He paid for a handjob
And I've followed so many comments here about two game suspensions, why didn't the Giants get him (as if!), and so on.
The most probable outcome of these investigations is that this guy never plays another down in the NFL.
Who in their right mind would offer a contract that says, "If you can't play because of repercussions from things you did before you got here, we'll pay you anyway"?
The NFL is a terrible organization, in the sense that they are always sucking up to popular causes outside the realm of football - as if their view on breast cancer (for example) is relevant to the science or to the politics of it.
But never mind. This guy, and all the stories that have yet to surface, is something they don't need and will wind up getting rid of.
And the Browns?? OMG! How badly does it suck to be them?
Yeah, not likely.
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The most probable outcome of these investigations is that this guy never plays another down in the NFL.
Yeah, not likely.
Like I said, I think it's 50/50. There's a decent chance he gets suspended indefinitely until "the legal process plays out" which could take years.
The league could also say "3 year suspension", the Browns terminate the contract, and 3 years later, he's now been out of football 4 years and no one signs him.
There's also a decent chance he gets 6-8 games and plays this year. No one knows yet.