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Deshaun Watson - indefinite suspension

Giantsfan79 : 6/25/2022 7:08 pm
so the Wall St Journal just came out with a breaking story (paywall) that the NFL is pushing for an indefinite suspension that would last no shorter than one year for Watson. That would mean he would be out for one season, at least, before he could apply to be reinstated.


The rest of the article says if more accusers come forward his one year could easily become a multi year suspension.

Also what great spine the NFL has putting this out on Saturday evening.
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cjd2404 : 6/25/2022 7:56 pm : link
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.



Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to



Who accused Kraft of anything non-consensual?

Stop bringing up stupid examples that are nothing like this.

Roethlisberger is the closest and the victim unfortunately refused to pursue it and criminal charges could not be proven.


First get your panties out of a bunch

Secondly he was getting a massage and your have no idea if it was consensual. Historically, many of those women are forced to work there

Also. They said owners, not other players. Reading is fundamental, big Ben had no breeding in my comment. By definition that was the stupidest example your could have used
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pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 8:08 pm : link
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.



Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to



Who accused Kraft of anything non-consensual?

Stop bringing up stupid examples that are nothing like this.

Roethlisberger is the closest and the victim unfortunately refused to pursue it and criminal charges could not be proven.



First get your panties out of a bunch

Secondly he was getting a massage and your have no idea if it was consensual. Historically, many of those women are forced to work there

Also. They said owners, not other players. Reading is fundamental, big Ben had no breeding in my comment. By definition that was the stupidest example your could have used


What are you seven? my panties in a bunch?

try and act like an adult for a change.

No, Kraft is in no way like Watson because in your mind it may not have been consensual because sometimes women are forced to work there, but nowhere in any new story about the case has that accusation come up. It would be big news.

In fact, if you bothered to read about the case before the diarrhea came out of your mouth/fingers you would know the women Kraft had "visited" pleaded guilty to soliciting another for prostitution. If Kraft had been charged it would have been for soliciting and it's a misdemeanor.

Read something before spouting off.

My comment about Roethlisberger was clearly my advice that the owner angle isn't going to cut it and if he truly plans to use whataboutism as his defense he's better off using players.


The owner on down agreed to this trade. Unbelievable  
JohnB : 6/25/2022 8:12 pm : link
Never ever wonder why the Browns have never made it to the Super Bowl. And this move guarantees that they won’t for the next 10 years.
Guys running the Browns have doo doo for brains  
ghost718 : 6/25/2022 8:16 pm : link
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FStubbs : 6/25/2022 8:22 pm : link
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That move felt like the owners made that move. It was out of character with everything the current management has done with that team.
Baker must be loving this.  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/25/2022 8:25 pm : link
He rubs people the wrong way and. Ot a true top tier Qb but trading for Watson is the Browns solution? Makes the Mara led shit show of a FO at the Giants look almost Ravens like lol
and the Browns continue to be a disaster  
PatersonPlank : 6/25/2022 8:53 pm : link
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k2tampa : 6/25/2022 9:37 pm : link
In comment 15741249 Giantsfan79 said:
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.


The NFL 'put this out'?? What you mean is the Wall Street Journal is reporting it.
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Ron from Ninerland : 6/25/2022 9:41 pm : link
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.



Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to



Who accused Kraft of anything non-consensual?

Stop bringing up stupid examples that are nothing like this.

Roethlisberger is the closest and the victim unfortunately refused to pursue it and criminal charges could not be proven.
So the Asian sex slave who polished Kraft's knob "gave her consent" ? Strange sense of justice some people have.
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pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 9:53 pm : link
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.



Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to



Who accused Kraft of anything non-consensual?

Stop bringing up stupid examples that are nothing like this.

Roethlisberger is the closest and the victim unfortunately refused to pursue it and criminal charges could not be proven.

So the Asian sex slave who polished Kraft's knob "gave her consent" ? Strange sense of justice some people have.


another expert who hasn't read a word of the case and thinks he knows everything.
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section125 : 6/25/2022 10:36 pm : link
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.



Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to


No.
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Milton : 6/25/2022 10:40 pm : link
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Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to
Not even close. With Kraft it was consensual. He was a repeat customer of the same woman who was in her forties or fifties, if I recall.
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section125 : 6/25/2022 10:41 pm : link
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Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to

Not even close. With Kraft it was consensual. He was a repeat customer of the same woman who was in her forties or fifties, if I recall.


IIRC, 50s..yes.
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Milton : 6/25/2022 10:42 pm : link
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So the Asian sex slave who polished Kraft's knob "gave her consent" ? Strange sense of justice some people have.
Asian sex slave??? Do you get your news from Alex Jones?
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section125 : 6/25/2022 10:47 pm : link
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So the Asian sex slave who polished Kraft's knob "gave her consent" ? Strange sense of justice some people have.

Asian sex slave??? Do you get your news from Alex Jones?


You may try Joy Reid to be accurate...
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cjd2404 : 6/25/2022 10:52 pm : link
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.



Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to



Who accused Kraft of anything non-consensual?

Stop bringing up stupid examples that are nothing like this.

Roethlisberger is the closest and the victim unfortunately refused to pursue it and criminal charges could not be proven.



First get your panties out of a bunch

Secondly he was getting a massage and your have no idea if it was consensual. Historically, many of those women are forced to work there

Also. They said owners, not other players. Reading is fundamental, big Ben had no breeding in my comment. By definition that was the stupidest example your could have used



What are you seven? my panties in a bunch?

try and act like an adult for a change.

No, Kraft is in no way like Watson because in your mind it may not have been consensual because sometimes women are forced to work there, but nowhere in any new story about the case has that accusation come up. It would be big news.

In fact, if you bothered to read about the case before the diarrhea came out of your mouth/fingers you would know the women Kraft had "visited" pleaded guilty to soliciting another for prostitution. If Kraft had been charged it would have been for soliciting and it's a misdemeanor.

Read something before spouting off.

My comment about Roethlisberger was clearly my advice that the owner angle isn't going to cut it and if he truly plans to use whataboutism as his defense he's better off using players.



Act like an adult for a change, it's like you think you know me. Then you go off with diarrhea of the mouth and fingers? Yes that I haven't used since I was like 12.
I am sure many folks plead out to a lesser crime. So I know if it was out was not sex trafficking? You're right, I don't. So I know folks lie to protect themselves and their families, sure do. Do I have evidence of such in Kraft's case. Nope. Have I read what was publish at the time, sure. Do I believe it all? Nope not a chance. Did the cops mention sex trafficking though? I'll let you look that up

What do I do know. You're an ass if you think the players association will bring up Ben.
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Ron from Ninerland : 6/25/2022 10:55 pm : link
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So the Asian sex slave who polished Kraft's knob "gave her consent" ? Strange sense of justice some people have.

Asian sex slave??? Do you get your news from Alex Jones?
You're right. Its the dream of every female immigrant to America to give $50 hand jobs to billionaires in seedy trailers.
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Milton : 6/25/2022 10:58 pm : link
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Did the cops mention sex trafficking though? I'll let you look that up.
The police were investigating sex trafficking but found no evidence of it, that's my recollection. I'll let you look it up.
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pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 11:01 pm : link
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.



Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to



Who accused Kraft of anything non-consensual?

Stop bringing up stupid examples that are nothing like this.

Roethlisberger is the closest and the victim unfortunately refused to pursue it and criminal charges could not be proven.



First get your panties out of a bunch

Secondly he was getting a massage and your have no idea if it was consensual. Historically, many of those women are forced to work there

Also. They said owners, not other players. Reading is fundamental, big Ben had no breeding in my comment. By definition that was the stupidest example your could have used



What are you seven? my panties in a bunch?

try and act like an adult for a change.

No, Kraft is in no way like Watson because in your mind it may not have been consensual because sometimes women are forced to work there, but nowhere in any new story about the case has that accusation come up. It would be big news.

In fact, if you bothered to read about the case before the diarrhea came out of your mouth/fingers you would know the women Kraft had "visited" pleaded guilty to soliciting another for prostitution. If Kraft had been charged it would have been for soliciting and it's a misdemeanor.

Read something before spouting off.

My comment about Roethlisberger was clearly my advice that the owner angle isn't going to cut it and if he truly plans to use whataboutism as his defense he's better off using players.





Act like an adult for a change, it's like you think you know me. Then you go off with diarrhea of the mouth and fingers? Yes that I haven't used since I was like 12.
I am sure many folks plead out to a lesser crime. So I know if it was out was not sex trafficking? You're right, I don't. So I know folks lie to protect themselves and their families, sure do. Do I have evidence of such in Kraft's case. Nope. Have I read what was publish at the time, sure. Do I believe it all? Nope not a chance. Did the cops mention sex trafficking though? I'll let you look that up

What do I do know. You're an ass if you think the players association will bring up Ben.


Some free advice. When you're in a hole. Stop digging.

You made an un-researched assumption that has been parroted by people who also don't know the facts and you're 100% wrong. Now you're scrambling to try and move goalposts and find some shred to cling to or frantically searching google to see WTF you got yourself into.

Just offer a mea culpa and move on or just move on.

RE: Does anyone know the value  
eli4life : 6/25/2022 11:10 pm : link
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Of the first year of his contract?


Only like 2 million or something small like that it’s like they knew 🙄
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Milton : 6/25/2022 11:11 pm : link
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You're right. Its the dream of every female immigrant to America to give $50 hand jobs to billionaires in seedy trailers.
It's not the dream of every immigrant to clean houses or bus dishes or harvest oranges or wait tables but it's what people do sometime to pay the bills. And it's not just immigrants.
p.s.--Do you and all your friends and family enjoy working at their dream job? Must be nice.
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cjd2404 : 6/26/2022 12:07 am : link
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Ok dumbass, I'm going to to point to the obvious.
You have no fucking clue.
Why did I ask if Kraft was an exact match?
Because frankly, if I'm the NFLPA lawyer I point to this case.
Kraft had a massage and some sexual favors. Let's assume it was consensual.

Watson had a massage and some sexual favors. Let's assume it was consensual. Until he is convicted you can assume nothing else.

You didn't punish Kraft in any real sense, you can't punish Watson either

Your dumbass missed the whole point of my comment and I toyed with you after your rant.

But your the expert, so please, educate me show me all the interviews and video evidence. Including the stuff Kraft had suppressed
Since your can't your are working on assumptions that were available in the press.

So please, take the shovel and keep digging .

I still don't trust the Texas owner  
SirLoinOfBeef : 6/26/2022 12:11 am : link
or that Buzbee guy...

Not saying Watson did or didn't, but those two seem pretty shady as well.
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Milton : 6/26/2022 12:44 am : link
In comment 15741346 cjd2404 said:
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Kraft had a massage and some sexual favors. Let's assume it was consensual.

Watson had a massage and some sexual favors. Let's assume it was consensual. Until he is convicted you can assume nothing else.

You didn't punish Kraft in any real sense, you can't punish Watson either
Now you're just trolling, right? Because you can't possibly be that fucking stupid. There are at least 24 women who say it wasn't consensual in Watson's case, there are no women claiming it wasn't consensual in Kraft's case. But, okay, you got me to respond, congratulations on a successful troll, because there is no way you're as stupid as what you're saying. Nobody is that stupid.
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Ron from Ninerland : 6/26/2022 1:09 am : link
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You're right. Its the dream of every female immigrant to America to give $50 hand jobs to billionaires in seedy trailers.

It's not the dream of every immigrant to clean houses or bus dishes or harvest oranges or wait tables but it's what people do sometime to pay the bills. And it's not just immigrants.
p.s.--Do you and all your friends and family enjoy working at their dream job? Must be nice.
Are you really as stupid as you sound ? Can you not tell the difference between a waiter or housekeeper and an immigrant who lives in a trailer and performs sex acts there ? Do you think she had a choice ? I invite you to watch Season 2 of "The Wire" and educate yourself
Watson could be just the tip of the iceberg  
Polyphemus Jones 94 : 6/26/2022 2:02 am : link
What makes everyone think that Watson is the only NFL player doing this? My gut says this is common practice amongst many NFL players and he’s not the only one doing this. I think the NFL and Players association need to tread carefully as they could be opening up Pandora’s box.
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Milton : 6/26/2022 3:31 am : link
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Can you not tell the difference between a waiter or housekeeper and an immigrant who lives in a trailer and performs sex acts there?
I might be able to pick out the immigrant based on his or her features and accent, but the housekeeper and waiter could also be immigrants, in which case, I probably couldn't tell the difference. And I surely would've guessed that 58-year old Shen Mingbi was a housekeeper or waiter before pegging her as a prostitute. So no I can't tell the difference.
p.s.--Where did you get this information that Shen Mingbi lives and works out of a trailer? I seriously doubt that the Orchards of Asia Day Spa is a trailer. I'm having trouble picturing the police breaking into it and installing a hidden camera while Shen's out food shopping.
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PALM BEACH COUNTY, Fla. — A woman accused of performing an illegal sex act on New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft at a Jupiter day spa is now under arrest. 58-year-old Shen Mingbi was booked into the Palm Beach County Jail on Monday.

According to the Jupiter Police Department, a hidden surveillance camera recorded Mingbi performing a sex act on Kraft at Orchids of Asia Day spa on Jan. 19. Police said that hidden camera was installed two days prior, on Jan. 17, as part of a 'sneak-and-peek' search warrant.
Milton you are wasting your time  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2022 8:53 am : link
you know how the Kraft case would be even remotely similar to Watson? If the masseuse alleged that Kraft exposed himself to her unwillingly or even pressured or forced her to commit sex acts. And then 23 more people alleged the same thing.

as of now...no one claimed anything even remotely close to that and the masseuse is charged with a crime. Sex/human trafficking is a red herring in all this. Sure, there are sex workers (or even just unwilling people) are who trafficked and it's tragic, but there was an ACTUAL investigation on this exact spa and the prosecutor said in his exact words:

".....He did, however, acknowledge that there was not enough evidence to suggest that the women working at the spa were doing so against their will. “No one is being charged with human trafficking. There is no human trafficking that arises out of this investigation,” he said."

So these morons can try and equate the two incidents, and can bring up stuff like the Wire, lol, but there was an actual (like IRL) investigation in this case, so we have you know....facts.


Here are the contract details  
arniefez : 6/26/2022 8:58 am : link
Contract Notes:
$230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary)

$44.965M Signing Bonus

Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension.

The family that owns the Browns are criminal scumbags. Watson fits in perfectly there.
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giantBCP : 6/26/2022 8:59 am : link
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.



Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to


Exact match? Did the masseuse that Kraft got caught with press charges on him? There's an absolutely massive distinction between the two.
To be fair, Watson was not charged criminally either  
BH28 : 6/26/2022 10:52 am : link
So if you are trying to compare Kraft to Watson, neither was criminally convicted for some sort of sexual liaison.

And then there is the whole Dan Snyder thing. Which is sleazy at best and probably has criminal wrongdoing at worst (but probably not enough to be convictable).

I'm not defending Watson here, just saying that the NFLPA does have a point about double standards when it comes to owner behavior vs player behavior.
How any person  
Dave on the UWS : 6/26/2022 12:08 pm : link
can logically make a comparison with Watson and Kraft, and come to the same conclusion, is beyond comprehension.
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FStubbs : 6/26/2022 12:21 pm : link
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can logically make a comparison with Watson and Kraft, and come to the same conclusion, is beyond comprehension.


Indeed, the owners should be held to a higher standard than the players.
Although at this point ...  
FStubbs : 6/26/2022 12:22 pm : link
... I'm starting to think it's 50/50 Watson ever takes another snap in the NFL.
RE: Milton you are wasting your time  
Ron from Ninerland : 6/26/2022 12:31 pm : link
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you know how the Kraft case would be even remotely similar to Watson? If the masseuse alleged that Kraft exposed himself to her unwillingly or even pressured or forced her to commit sex acts. And then 23 more people alleged the same thing.

as of now...no one claimed anything even remotely close to that and the masseuse is charged with a crime. Sex/human trafficking is a red herring in all this. Sure, there are sex workers (or even just unwilling people) are who trafficked and it's tragic, but there was an ACTUAL investigation on this exact spa and the prosecutor said in his exact words:

".....He did, however, acknowledge that there was not enough evidence to suggest that the women working at the spa were doing so against their will. “No one is being charged with human trafficking. There is no human trafficking that arises out of this investigation,” he said."

So these morons can try and equate the two incidents, and can bring up stuff like the Wire, lol, but there was an actual (like IRL) investigation in this case, so we have you know....facts.

You are usually a good poster so it is surprising that you've buried your head in the sand over these two issues. The point is both Kraft and Watson are involved with possible sexual misconduct. One was never investigated by the NFL, the other is being threatened with a long suspension. You say the authorities found no misconduct was found in the "spa" where Kraft was getting his jollies. You can say the same thing about Watson. No criminal charges were filed.

RE: RE: Milton you are wasting your time  
section125 : 6/26/2022 12:34 pm : link
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you know how the Kraft case would be even remotely similar to Watson? If the masseuse alleged that Kraft exposed himself to her unwillingly or even pressured or forced her to commit sex acts. And then 23 more people alleged the same thing.

as of now...no one claimed anything even remotely close to that and the masseuse is charged with a crime. Sex/human trafficking is a red herring in all this. Sure, there are sex workers (or even just unwilling people) are who trafficked and it's tragic, but there was an ACTUAL investigation on this exact spa and the prosecutor said in his exact words:

".....He did, however, acknowledge that there was not enough evidence to suggest that the women working at the spa were doing so against their will. “No one is being charged with human trafficking. There is no human trafficking that arises out of this investigation,” he said."

So these morons can try and equate the two incidents, and can bring up stuff like the Wire, lol, but there was an actual (like IRL) investigation in this case, so we have you know....facts.



You are usually a good poster so it is surprising that you've buried your head in the sand over these two issues. The point is both Kraft and Watson are involved with possible sexual misconduct. One was never investigated by the NFL, the other is being threatened with a long suspension. You say the authorities found no misconduct was found in the "spa" where Kraft was getting his jollies. You can say the same thing about Watson. No criminal charges were filed.


Kraft was not going to multiple spots and with multiple women.
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Vanzetti : 6/26/2022 5:41 pm : link
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You're right. Its the dream of every female immigrant to America to give $50 hand jobs to billionaires in seedy trailers.

It's not the dream of every immigrant to clean houses or bus dishes or harvest oranges or wait tables but it's what people do sometime to pay the bills. And it's not just immigrants.
p.s.--Do you and all your friends and family enjoy working at their dream job? Must be nice.

Are you really as stupid as you sound ? Can you not tell the difference between a waiter or housekeeper and an immigrant who lives in a trailer and performs sex acts there ? Do you think she had a choice ? I invite you to watch Season 2 of "The Wire" and educate yourself


It's not about the difference in degree, it's about the logic of constraint and the nature of consent.

You are confusing the two




The football down season really sucks  
USAF NYG Fan : 6/26/2022 6:06 pm : link
This thread is nothing more than a debate on whether or not there is a difference between the size, smell, etc of two pieces of s**t.

Please let there be some good Giants football this season.
Ron in Ninerland  
Milton : 6/26/2022 6:31 pm : link
This is one of the problems with BBI, you know you're wrong, it's been explained to you very clearly and convincingly, but your ego won't allow you to admit you're wrong. Instead you try to lump the felony of serial sexual assault together with the misdemeanor of solicitation. Really?
p.s.--And criminal charges were filed in Robert Kraft's case. Four women were charged with prostitution and it cost each of them in the thousands. On the other hand, in Watson's case, twenty of the twenty-four women involved received at least six figures each in a settlement with the four remaining victims so far unwilling to settle. But I guess that's just a minor detail in the grand scheme of things that would have players face the same consequences for an illegal right turn as they would for vehicular manslaughter because, you know, they both involve vehicular misconduct.
RE: RE: Milton you are wasting your time  
Mad Mike : 6/26/2022 6:37 pm : link
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You are usually a good poster so it is surprising that you've buried your head in the sand over these two issues. The point is both Kraft and Watson are involved with possible sexual misconduct. One was never investigated by the NFL, the other is being threatened with a long suspension. You say the authorities found no misconduct was found in the "spa" where Kraft was getting his jollies. You can say the same thing about Watson. No criminal charges were filed.

You're really being silly. Watson is not facing suspension because he got happy endings. Even a lot of them. He's facing suspension because the league finds the accusations that he forced women to be credible. The league has always been clear that criminal charges, let alone conviction, are not a necessary condition for them to find a player's misconduct worthy of suspension, and this is an example of that.

Would the league have suspended Kraft if there was evidence that he forced, or tried to force, women to play with his junk when they didn't want to? Who knows? I certainly think it's possible they would have soft pedaled it for an owner, imposing little, or at least lesser, discipline. Similarly, would the league try to suspend Watson if it came out that he liked massages with happy endings, but there were no claims of misconduct? I doubt it, but again, who knows? But those would be analogous situations. The actual situations are not, and it's entirely reasonable that there is a significant difference in discipline between one person who was never accused of anything non-consensual, and one who's been accused by a couple dozen women. What the right level of discipline is, in either case, is obviously subjective and we all may have different opinions. But it's really quite straightforward that they're different situations and should not face the same level of discipline, regardless of status as player or owner, and citing Kraft is not a compelling case with respect to Watson's potential punishment.

RE: To be fair, Watson was not charged criminally either  
TommyWiseau : 6/26/2022 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15741431 BH28 said:
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So if you are trying to compare Kraft to Watson, neither was criminally convicted for some sort of sexual liaison.

And then there is the whole Dan Snyder thing. Which is sleazy at best and probably has criminal wrongdoing at worst (but probably not enough to be convictable).

I'm not defending Watson here, just saying that the NFLPA does have a point about double standards when it comes to owner behavior vs player behavior.


One guy went to a place that performs sexual favors for money and the other guy forced himself upon countless women who, according to them, did not want any sexual interaction. Totally different. If it was Kraft who did the latter, I would be shitting on him too.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/26/2022 7:08 pm : link
Comparing Kraft-who I'm no fan of-to Watson is...a leap.
What about?  
trueblueinpw : 6/26/2022 7:55 pm : link
This scumbag’s defense is now “what about” the owners? I guess he’s right that the owners lack integrity because if they had any then not employing a sexual predator like Watson would be an easy call. But boy, oh boy, he sure can play, so I guess let him sit for the year?

Fuck the Browns too. What kind of shit hole franchise makes that piece of garbage the face of their franchise? Browns fans are going to take their kids to cheer for Watson? For everyone lining up to kick Mara Tisch in the balls for their ownership shortcomings, and sure there’s been some, at least they never went after Watson.
RE: ...  
bwitz : 6/26/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15741726 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Comparing Kraft-who I'm no fan of-to Watson is...a leap.


I’d say it’s more like a…reach.

Taking any morality out the argument here, he should’ve just settled with the ones he could have in the first place. That was either a dumb ass move on his part or his legal team. Judging by the person, I think it was likely Watson.

He’s obviously shown he’s a scum bag but, this argument of what any owners did in the past is weak. The owners don’t play on the field. The average fan couldn’t give two shits about them. Watson was one of the better QB’s in the NFL before this and was essentially going to be/if not already the face of the franchise post Watt. The NFLPA has a mountain to climb.
RE: RE: oh also in the paywall part  
montanagiant : 6/26/2022 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15741259 cjd2404 said:
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it says the NFLPA is gearing up to compare Watson's issues to multiple owners issues (of which no punishment has occurred), so this could devolve quickly.



Isn't Kraft an exact match that the players association can point to

While what Kraft did was not legal, he did not sexually assault anyone. He paid for a handjob
I Told You So  
Jim in NH : 6/27/2022 7:19 pm : link
As soon as I heard about this trade, I knew it would end badly.

And I've followed so many comments here about two game suspensions, why didn't the Giants get him (as if!), and so on.

The most probable outcome of these investigations is that this guy never plays another down in the NFL.

Who in their right mind would offer a contract that says, "If you can't play because of repercussions from things you did before you got here, we'll pay you anyway"?

The NFL is a terrible organization, in the sense that they are always sucking up to popular causes outside the realm of football - as if their view on breast cancer (for example) is relevant to the science or to the politics of it.

But never mind. This guy, and all the stories that have yet to surface, is something they don't need and will wind up getting rid of.

And the Browns?? OMG! How badly does it suck to be them?
RE: I Told You So  
Mad Mike : 6/28/2022 11:22 am : link
In comment 15742287 Jim in NH said:
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The most probable outcome of these investigations is that this guy never plays another down in the NFL.

Yeah, not likely.
Many have not only misunderstood Watson's overall situation  
JonC : 6/28/2022 11:42 am : link
but have not grasped the seriousness of it. Stuff like this doesn't get swept under the rug anymore, it does not often get hidden from view as in the pre-Internet days, and nor should it. Playing in the NFL is a privilege. Owning rare talent and a huge contract shouldn't be an excuse. Browns mis-calculated along these same lines as Watson's supporters, and it's an ugly, awful look.
RE: RE: I Told You So  
FStubbs : 6/29/2022 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15742674 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 15742287 Jim in NH said:


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The most probable outcome of these investigations is that this guy never plays another down in the NFL.


Yeah, not likely.


Like I said, I think it's 50/50. There's a decent chance he gets suspended indefinitely until "the legal process plays out" which could take years.

The league could also say "3 year suspension", the Browns terminate the contract, and 3 years later, he's now been out of football 4 years and no one signs him.

There's also a decent chance he gets 6-8 games and plays this year. No one knows yet.
Did anyone happen to listen to Dan Patrick yesterday?  
BigBlue in Keys : 6/29/2022 8:39 pm : link
He said he heard the NFL is looking at punishing the Texans as well. That they had a private room at the facilities for this because they knew that was Watson's thing. It got out of hand during covid when they weren't allowed at the facility so he went out to find it on his own.
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