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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/25/2022 8:38 pm
Just watched it with the wife. I saw it when it came out in '97 & thought it was alright. Girlfriend @ the time loved it, as did pretty much any woman. Watching it now...I actually liked it more than when I first saw it. Hockley is a great villain. The music score is top notch. Still questioning why Jack & Rose couldn't have both gotten on the wooden door, Haha.

Pretty much the movie that made Leo a superstar & Winslet a household name.
I mentioned it in a movie thread recently  
UConn4523 : 6/25/2022 8:45 pm : link
but it’s way better than I thought it would be when watching it this past winter. Haven’t seen it in 20+ years.

Add in the groundbreaking visuals from Cameron and it’s a really well done, memorable movie.
I thought it was a really good movie  
PatersonPlank : 6/25/2022 8:48 pm : link
By the way, here is the last known picture of the Titanic, its leaving port in Ireland

Kate Winlet has nice knockers  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/25/2022 8:59 pm : link
That’s all I got.
RE: I thought it was a really good movie  
TDMaker85 : 6/25/2022 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15741286 PatersonPlank said:
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By the way, here is the last known picture of the Titanic, its leaving port in Ireland



Wow great pic. You can tell the aft-most smokestack is a dummy as it has no smoke rising from it. (Was non-functional and put there purely to look impressive).

I was prepared to hate the movie at the time, and I thought it was fantastic. Still holds up too.
The big takeaway people should have from that movie...  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 6/25/2022 9:19 pm : link
...is that Rose is just a terrible person.

Otherwise, it's a great film.
Opinions  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/25/2022 9:23 pm : link
tremendously vary... people either love it or hate it.

It's predictably schmaltz, but I love it.

But I am fascinated with the Titanic storyy.
Also just rewatched it after all these years.  
CRinCA : 6/25/2022 9:30 pm : link
The topic itself transcends generations and the Hollywood story and and the related special effects I think hold up extraordinarily well to todays standards.

Not sure why the poster above is anti-Rose but if she found a preferable substitute to her asshole quasi-fiancé or whatever good for her.
Oh it was Gary  
CRinCA : 6/25/2022 9:32 pm : link
Great now I’m gonna get banned…lol
It holds up well  
bceagle05 : 6/25/2022 9:46 pm : link
but I don’t think Leo turned in a very good performance - a little too corny. I’m a big fan of his work overall though.
BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/25/2022 9:47 pm : link
"A Night to Remember" is a pretty good flick too.
I haven’t seen it for the second time since it came out  
No1MDGiantsFan : 6/25/2022 9:50 pm : link
But I thought it was well worth the price of admission.

Leo’s work before that was pretty damn good… Basketball Diaries, What’s Eating Gilbert Grape, Romeo + Juliet
The scene where the shipbuilder  
bceagle05 : 6/25/2022 9:53 pm : link
lays out the blueprint and explains exactly how and when Titanic would sink was powerful and well acted - the terror of the group really came across. There were a lot of great little moments like that in between the shmaltzy stuff.
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Route 9 : 6/25/2022 9:55 pm : link
I thought that movie was boring.

I remember my mom and my cousin crying hysterically and looking to my dad in confusion as to why they wouldn't shut up.

I've seen many sad movies before and this wasn't one of them.

I thought "A River Runs through it" was one of the better emotional connection rollercoaster masterpieces.
RE: I haven’t seen it for the second time since it came out  
GNewGiants : 6/25/2022 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15741302 No1MDGiantsFan said:
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Leo’s work before that was pretty damn good… Basketball Diaries, What’s Eating Gilbert Grape, Romeo + Juliet


Growing Pains!!!
It’s a great flick, a little campy I guess  
Ben in Tampa : 6/25/2022 9:58 pm : link
But it holds up

Celine Dion belting My Heart Will Go On? Now that’s a friggin’ 90s power ballad, baby!

The elderly couple cuddling in bed  
Ron from Ninerland : 6/25/2022 10:06 pm : link
as their cabin filled with water made me cry. Just the thought of that scene still chokes me up.

The captain locking himself on the bridge as the ship sank was another great scene.

As corny as some people find it, Leo going under water for the last time was another.

Then there was the dead on accuracy of how they portrayed the operation of a large ocean liner. There was the great musical score.

I could go on and on. IMHO, Titanic is the greatest movie of my 65 year old lifetime. Everytime I see it I see something I had not noticed before. It is worth every bit of hype attributed to it
Epic Filmmaking  
bluepepper : 6/25/2022 10:07 pm : link
but also over the top Hollywood melodrama. Huge new ship sinks on first voyage. 1500 die. All sorts of stories to tell but Hollywood has to introduce nude paintings, sex in cars and a guy handcuffed below deck just as the ship is sinking.

Ron in Ninerland  
CRinCA : 6/25/2022 10:14 pm : link
In real life those were the founding couple of Macy’s. Mr. and Mrs. Strauss.

By extension the family founders of A&S (Abraham and Strauss), another old school NYC area retailer.
Toooooo long.  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/25/2022 10:15 pm : link
Also took the ship like an hour to sink In the movie. I know. Not a full hour but IIRC it sank immediately in real life an Cameron made it last like 30 minutes. Of not more . They were running around the ship in ice cold water easy. Debilitating. The ending was waaaay to improbable and long for me.

First half-ish wasn't bad to be fair

RE: Toooooo long.  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/25/2022 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15741312 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Also took the ship like an hour to sink In the movie. I know. Not a full hour but IIRC it sank immediately in real life an Cameron made it last like 30 minutes. Of not more . They were running around the ship in ice cold water easy. Debilitating. The ending was waaaay to improbable and long for me.

First half-ish wasn't bad to be fair

From the time it hit the iceberg, it took Titanic 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink.
You’ll  
NJGiantFan84 : 6/25/2022 10:22 pm : link
Enjoy this video where Leo refuses to address the door controversy.
Leo Refuses to Comment - ( New Window )
RE: Toooooo long.  
UConn4523 : 6/25/2022 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15741312 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Also took the ship like an hour to sink In the movie. I know. Not a full hour but IIRC it sank immediately in real life an Cameron made it last like 30 minutes. Of not more . They were running around the ship in ice cold water easy. Debilitating. The ending was waaaay to improbable and long for me.

First half-ish wasn't bad to be fair


Lol, what? It did not sink immediately. They explained it very well in the movie.
It is the 3rd movie  
section125 : 6/25/2022 10:32 pm : link
on the Titanic.
I liked it a lot. However, "A Night to Remember" was the best version.
The Leonardo DiCaprio/Kate Winslet movie was good entertainment with a different spin.

FWIW, on the 100th anniversary on the sinking, my ship sailed almost directly over the actual position of the sinking at almost the exact hour...that was a little bit creepy.
RE: RE: Toooooo long.  
section125 : 6/25/2022 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15741316 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15741312 LauderdaleMatty said:


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Also took the ship like an hour to sink In the movie. I know. Not a full hour but IIRC it sank immediately in real life an Cameron made it last like 30 minutes. Of not more . They were running around the ship in ice cold water easy. Debilitating. The ending was waaaay to improbable and long for me.

First half-ish wasn't bad to be fair




Lol, what? It did not sink immediately. They explained it very well in the movie.


It was 2 1/2 to 3 hrs.
It is Romeo and Juliet  
Lurts : 6/25/2022 10:47 pm : link
and a mythical night sea crossing/heroic quest. With eye candy, an infinite budget and excellent casting.
RE: RE: Toooooo long.  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/25/2022 11:42 pm : link
In comment 15741316 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15741312 LauderdaleMatty said:


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Also took the ship like an hour to sink In the movie. I know. Not a full hour but IIRC it sank immediately in real life an Cameron made it last like 30 minutes. Of not more . They were running around the ship in ice cold water easy. Debilitating. The ending was waaaay to improbable and long for me.

First half-ish wasn't bad to be fair




Lol, what? It did not sink immediately. They explained it very well in the movie.


The movie wasnt exactly a documentary. I was wrong. It's been like 20 years. Iit was king and boring. Sorry if I don't recall Thant from 20 years ago
RE: It is Romeo and Juliet  
moespree : 6/26/2022 12:17 am : link
In comment 15741325 Lurts said:
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and a mythical night sea crossing/heroic quest. With eye candy, an infinite budget and excellent casting.


This is exactly how I always felt about this movie. It's essentially a cleverly disguised retelling of Romeo and Juliet that just so happens to use the Titanic as the backdrop and setting.

It was a clever idea though because it allows for the forbidden romance story trope to be retold in a unique way.
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Del Shofner : 6/26/2022 12:22 am : link
In comment 15741338 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Sorry if I don't recall Thant from 20 years ago


Thant was more than 20 years ago.
Link - ( New Window )
I was born in 87..  
bLiTz 2k : 6/26/2022 1:46 am : link
So like a few of you, during the titanic craze I couldnt care less. I have a lot of older female cousins who were obsessed with the thing, so at the time I think I hated it just because I thought of it as "stupid" and a "girls movie"...

Being almost 35 now and having watched it again as an adult, it's really good. Yes it has its Hollywood dramatizations, and many things are eye rolling...

But it's actually a pretty great movie.
I thought it was an excellent movie, worthy of the hype  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/26/2022 2:42 am : link
...and also I saw the trailer for it when I saw another movie (I forget what) and when they they showed Titanic 90 degrees in the water the audience gasped... for a trailer!!!

I've never experienced that before...

Oh, and Kate Winslet's 21 year old boobs.
RE: BTW  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/26/2022 4:10 am : link
In comment 15741300 Eric from BBI said:
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"A Night to Remember" is a pretty good flick too.


Eric, the best movie on the Titanic IMO.
I haven't seen it in ages  
santacruzom : 6/26/2022 4:36 am : link
but some of the views of the Titanic beginning to sink from the water were hauntingly awe-inspiring and incredibly well done.
The first movie called “Titanic “  
Dave on the UWS : 6/26/2022 6:50 am : link
was in 1954 with Clifton Webb and Barbara Stanwick. Infinitely better movie, especially since Cameron, essentially ripped it off frame by frame. Oh he inserted the Jack and Rose story. 97 was a good movie, I’m partial to the earlier version.
Dunno if it's true or not  
M.S. : 6/26/2022 6:50 am : link

but I seem to recall reading (or did someone tell me this?) that -- had the Titanic hit the iceberg straight-on with its bow -- it would not have sunken. The bow would have been smashed in, but fewer below-water compartments would have been slice open. Or something like that.
I didn't think Titanic deserved best picture.  
Ira : 6/26/2022 6:50 am : link
IMO, Good Will Hunting and As Good as it gets were both better.
M.S. - that is correct  
Dave on the UWS : 6/26/2022 6:53 am : link
The front of the ship was designed for a head on collision, not a side swipe.
Oh, and Eric is correct the 1958 “Night” is excellent also. Told from the British point of view if I’m remembering correctly.
funny, I was just talking about this  
Tom from LI : 6/26/2022 7:21 am : link
the other day about movies that aged well.

I love the era that the Titanic took place in. My wife loved it and where I thought they missed the mark with the Rose and Jack is that she should have been pregnant with his baby.

A couple of things were based on history is:

The old couple that stayed in bed I believe were the Macy's. The department store owners.

Some other background visuals with people were based on pictures from the actual trip.

I read that the baker/chef who was drinking and got to the top of the back of the ship was based on a real baker/chef. He was seen helping people along the way and he had so much alcohol in his system that it prevented him from freezing to death. He actually survived.

Things that annoyed me was Rose tossing the heart over the side railing after they brought her out there.

They both could have fit on that door.

I read somewhere that the ship would not have caused that suction when it finally submerged.

correction  
Tom from LI : 6/26/2022 7:24 am : link
the old couple were the Straus's and they co owned Macy's
heart breaking - ( New Window )
They say each other's names  
shyster : 6/26/2022 8:16 am : link
a lot.

Won't spoil who "wins."

War of Jacks and Roses - ( New Window )
It's a very good movie and deserved all those awards  
chick310 : 6/26/2022 8:28 am : link
went it came out in late 90s. It is rerun on television constantly.

Much better than the junk the movie industry is spewing out over recent past.
If you're talking about film art  
Stan in LA : 6/26/2022 12:09 pm : link
It was laughable junk.

As a crowd-pleaser, playing to the lowest common denominator, it did well.

All depends on what you're looking for.
RE: If you're talking about film art  
section125 : 6/26/2022 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15741455 Stan in LA said:
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It was laughable junk.

As a crowd-pleaser, playing to the lowest common denominator, it did well.

All depends on what you're looking for.


shocking
Ohh yeah  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2022 12:19 pm : link
Stan being above the rest of us, lol. Makes you wonder why he even posts with all us peasants.
RE: Ohh yeah  
section125 : 6/26/2022 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15741462 UConn4523 said:
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Stan being above the rest of us, lol. Makes you wonder why he even posts with all us peasants.


Off with our heads, o thee of the unwashed masses
If you want Romeo & Juliette...  
Milton : 6/26/2022 10:54 pm : link
PC Principal and Strong Woman take it to a whole 'nother level. It's not society that rejects their relationship, but themselves.
Is anyone else hearing Hootie and the Blowfish like very, very softly?... - ( New Window )
I'm sorry, but I'm with Stan on this  
Matt M. : 6/26/2022 11:00 pm : link
That movie was terrible and outside of visual effects, was not worthy of the accolades. The acting in it was also laughable. And for all of Cameron's attention to detail, he mentions a man made made Lake that wasn't even built at the time of the Titanic.
RE: I didn't think Titanic deserved best picture.  
Matt M. : 6/26/2022 11:02 pm : link
In comment 15741368 Ira said:
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IMO, Good Will Hunting and As Good as it gets were both better.
Both were leaps and bounds better.
In the other thread, I was very critical of award winning movies in  
Essex : 6/27/2022 9:45 am : link
the 90s, although I do think it was a superb decade for film, maybe one of the best decades ever. I do think the Academy got Titanic right though. It was an extremely well done movie and even if it was a bit schmaltzy with the modern day Rose going back, the story and the setting was incredible. Good Will Hunting and As Good as It Gets were both good movies (and both had schmaltz with it "You make me want to be a better man"), but they weren't as good and ambitious as Titanic was in my opinion. As many on here have already said, they took two pieces of history (Titanic and Romeo and Juliet) and made it into a great movie. Sometimes, not often in the 90s, the Academy gets it right.
Titanic grew on me, I Didnt like it at first bit enjoy  
MartyNJ1969 : 6/27/2022 10:25 am : link
It now. I felt the same way about the movie “Whatever happened to Baby Jane”.
Story mostly stinks IMO  
Greg from LI : 6/27/2022 10:28 am : link
But the effects for the sinking are still incredible. I'll watch those scenes every time I come across it on TV.
technical prowess is a big deal to me  
UConn4523 : 6/27/2022 10:40 am : link
so Titanic winning awards made sense - we hadn't seen anything like it before. Pushing the boundaries and innovating should be rewarded, IMO. The story and script for Gravity wasn't good, but watching that movie is such a unique and engrossing experience, especially on the big screen, that it too deserved recognition.
That's a good reference  
Greg from LI : 6/27/2022 10:41 am : link
I barely remember anything about the story in Gravity, but the visuals were stunning and I'm glad I went to see it on a big screen.
A few thoughts on this movie:  
81_Great_Dane : 6/27/2022 1:10 pm : link
First, it really brings home the scale of the tragedy. All those bodies in the water. The horror of the disaster hits home.

Second, yes, it's a melodrama. It's a memory play, though. We're reliving all this through Rose's eyes. Yes, Jack is too good to be true Billy Zane's character only lacks a mustache to twirl. But I think that all works.

Third, yes, it's a young American's fantasy. They have sex in a car ON THE TITANIC. I think all that is deliberate. James Cameron is very calculating in his writing. (I've interviewed him a bunch of times. He once said that he can write like Tarantino -- would you love to see that -- but his stories need to play all over the world, they need to be simple and translate easily. "I'm earnest," he said. True.)

Fourth, some critic said at the time that yes, the dialogue is kind of corny and on the nose and the script isn't terrific. But if it was, it would be in the conversation for greatest movie ever made, because the rest of the filmmaking is so good. I agree.

Fifth, Leo and Kate are kind of mismatched. He looks very boyish, she looks very womanly. Somehow it works anyway.

RE: A few thoughts on this movie:  
UConn4523 : 6/27/2022 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15742015 81_Great_Dane said:
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First, it really brings home the scale of the tragedy. All those bodies in the water. The horror of the disaster hits home.

Second, yes, it's a melodrama. It's a memory play, though. We're reliving all this through Rose's eyes. Yes, Jack is too good to be true Billy Zane's character only lacks a mustache to twirl. But I think that all works.

Third, yes, it's a young American's fantasy. They have sex in a car ON THE TITANIC. I think all that is deliberate. James Cameron is very calculating in his writing. (I've interviewed him a bunch of times. He once said that he can write like Tarantino -- would you love to see that -- but his stories need to play all over the world, they need to be simple and translate easily. "I'm earnest," he said. True.)

Fourth, some critic said at the time that yes, the dialogue is kind of corny and on the nose and the script isn't terrific. But if it was, it would be in the conversation for greatest movie ever made, because the rest of the filmmaking is so good. I agree.

Fifth, Leo and Kate are kind of mismatched. He looks very boyish, she looks very womanly. Somehow it works anyway.


THanks for posting. What were you interviewing Cameron for? I find him to be one of the most important film makers of my lifetime, but you rarely hear him speak like.
81 Great Dane.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/27/2022 7:43 pm : link
Thanks for that post. Growing up, there were two historical events that I got obsessed with-the Titanic & the JFK assassination. I did deep dives on both, i.e. took a ton of books out of the library & read up on both. This was pre 'Titanic' coming out in '97 so I was pretty well versed on the subject. It is amazing the loss of life...over 1,500. The actions of Stanley Lord & the SS Californian helped contribute to that #. They were-from all accounts-within reach of the Titanic when she began sinking, but did absolutely nothing. The Titanic was firing rockets &-as one of the crew members said-a ship isn't going to fire rockets at night for the hell of it.
RE: 81 Great Dane.  
Jimmy Googs : 6/27/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15742307 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Thanks for that post. Growing up, there were two historical events that I got obsessed with-the Titanic & the JFK assassination. I did deep dives on both, i.e. took a ton of books out of the library & read up on both. This was pre 'Titanic' coming out in '97 so I was pretty well versed on the subject. It is amazing the loss of life...over 1,500. The actions of Stanley Lord & the SS Californian helped contribute to that #. They were-from all accounts-within reach of the Titanic when she began sinking, but did absolutely nothing. The Titanic was firing rockets &-as one of the crew members said-a ship isn't going to fire rockets at night for the hell of it.


Lord and his officers should have been hung from nearest yardarms...
RE: 81 Great Dane.  
section125 : 6/27/2022 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15742307 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Thanks for that post. Growing up, there were two historical events that I got obsessed with-the Titanic & the JFK assassination. I did deep dives on both, i.e. took a ton of books out of the library & read up on both. This was pre 'Titanic' coming out in '97 so I was pretty well versed on the subject. It is amazing the loss of life...over 1,500. The actions of Stanley Lord & the SS Californian helped contribute to that #. They were-from all accounts-within reach of the Titanic when she began sinking, but did absolutely nothing. The Titanic was firing rockets &-as one of the crew members said-a ship isn't going to fire rockets at night for the hell of it.


The Californian was within 10 miles IIRC. They saw the rockets and assumed they were having a party on the huge passenger ship. Remember many ships stopped at night when in the ice fields because they did not want to ram an iceberg or growler that they could not see.(about 25 years before radar - not that icebergs are good radar targets anyway even today).
Also remember there were very few radio officers on ships and they only worked day hours. Plus, IIRC, the ROs worked for the Radio Company(Marconi?) not the shipping company. At that time there was no automatic alarm or procedures when the radio room was not occupied. In fact, there was no SOS either. I believe the actual emergency call was "CQE" and all on Morse code. This incident caused those things to be changed and also started the International Ice Patrol (USCG and Canadian Coast Guard) to search, map and report ice.
section125.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/27/2022 8:41 pm : link
But the officers on deck also commented on how the Titanic-the ship they observed-was listing. If they did math...listing ship + rockets...they shoulda known...not good.
RE: section125.  
section125 : 6/27/2022 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15742369 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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But the officers on deck also commented on how the Titanic-the ship they observed-was listing. If they did math...listing ship + rockets...they shoulda known...not good.


You can not see a ship listing at night from 2 miles(side view as Californian had), never mind 10.
RE: RE: section125.  
section125 : 6/27/2022 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15742374 section125 said:
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In comment 15742369 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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But the officers on deck also commented on how the Titanic-the ship they observed-was listing. If they did math...listing ship + rockets...they shoulda known...not good.



You can not see a ship listing at night from 2 miles(side view as Californian had), never mind 10.


Did a quick search, estimated six miles apart. And the Titanic was not listing. It settled by the head.
I am not on the Californian's side, BTW. Just playing the Devil's Advocate. I have always felt the Californian blew it.
section125.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/27/2022 9:05 pm : link
It just comes back to me: the Californian saw rockets firing. Why did they do not have their radio operator contact the Titanic? If they did, they woulda know what was going on.
RE: section125.  
section125 : 6/27/2022 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15742393 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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It just comes back to me: the Californian saw rockets firing. Why did they do not have their radio operator contact the Titanic? If they did, they woulda know what was going on.


That is a good question. But the Captain did tell the deck officers to use the signal lamp to contact Titanic. It was not done. That is a good question too. Lots of total Eff ups that night. Since the Californian's RO was told to "shut up"(literally) by Titanic's RO, it probably did not help the situation.

Also, Californian had warned the Titanic of icebergs but was told to stop interrupting its radio traffic. Radio messages earned big money for the Marconi company and the ROs on Titanic didn't want to stop sending personal messages to receive messages.
One of my favorite movies  
Bramton1 : 6/28/2022 12:57 am : link
I remember seeing it the first time. Saw it with a bunch of friends. I was cracking jokes through the first half. Then the iceberg struck, and I was in stunned silence the rest of the film.
section125.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/28/2022 6:12 am : link
Yeah, I think it was Bride who wired the Californian to 'Shut up! I'm working Cape Race!' Regardless-IMO-the Californian completely fucked up by not having someone at least get on the wire & see WTF was going on. If they had, they would have learned immediately about the Titanic.

Back then, you weren't required to have the radio on 24-7.
RE: section125.  
section125 : 6/28/2022 7:10 am : link
In comment 15742492 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Yeah, I think it was Bride who wired the Californian to 'Shut up! I'm working Cape Race!' Regardless-IMO-the Californian completely fucked up by not having someone at least get on the wire & see WTF was going on. If they had, they would have learned immediately about the Titanic.

Back then, you weren't required to have the radio on 24-7.


After this, if the RO wasn't on duty the radio was designed to set off an alarm if a series of long dashes was received on 500kHz. The alarm sounded on both the bridge and the ROs bedroom. SOS became the call for trouble. In the US Merchant Marine a ship could not sail without the RO being onboard. Any other crew member (including the captain) could be left behind, but not the RO.
In 1990s(IIRC), ROs were removed and an automated radio distress system was installed - called GMDSS. POS in my opinion. Idea was good, the equipment, meh. All deck officers were required to have this endorsement, but I think the law said only two were required on board..the technology was antiquated before the units were installed and it was never really updated. Balky to use. In reality, Sat phones are the real safety system. You could actual call for help and have someone pick up the phone.

Of course the Californian was dead wrong and should have been found negligent and the captain should have had his license revoked. But it was fun to parry a bit.

FYI, I had the captain of Ballard's research ship when he found the Titanic as my third mate for 4 months.
If you want to say some of the research about the sinking of the ship  
Matt M. : 6/28/2022 10:21 pm : link
and the requisite technical aspects in making the film were worthy or praise and awards, I agree. But, the story and acting were not special.
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