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Saquon wasn’t some scrub who feasted on weaker teams. Lets not be totally revisionist. Out own wonderful Sy lauded him and scouts around the nation had him as their top rated player. Sure he had his flaws. He was built like a truck but wanted to be Barry Sanders. But so what? It worked. It worked right through his rookie year and in 2019 as well. Then injuries set in and here we are now.
We are bashing a guy for the same reason people defend Daniel Jones over. He was the wrong pick at 2 for sure. That’s not his fault. The injuries aren’t his fault. He has done everything the Giants have asked from rehab, to attendance, to being humble and so forth. He hasn’t made a peep about a contract. He is just like Jones- hard working, nice guy. He is just about Saquon? This guy is tame compared to Odell and others.I just don’t get how these guys become the target of all this hate. It’s really weird.
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you'll notice that against good defenses, Barkley would dance around in the backfield looking for an opening and rarely find one at which point he'd be tackled at the LOS or behind it, and in the open field he rarely broke tackles. He was, however, fast and elusive and could run away from all but the faster defensive backs. In other words, he should never have been drafted second overall when Bradley Chubb, Quenton Nelson, and Josh Allen were all available.
Saquon wasn’t some scrub who feasted on weaker teams. Lets not be totally revisionist. Out own wonderful Sy lauded him and scouts around the nation had him as their top rated player. Sure he had his flaws. He was built like a truck but wanted to be Barry Sanders. But so what? It worked. It worked right through his rookie year and in 2019 as well. Then injuries set in and here we are now.
We are bashing a guy for the same reason people defend Daniel Jones over. He was the wrong pick at 2 for sure. That’s not his fault. The injuries aren’t his fault. He has done everything the Giants have asked from rehab, to attendance, to being humble and so forth. He hasn’t made a peep about a contract. He is just like Jones- hard working, nice guy. He is just about Saquon? This guy is tame compared to Odell and others.I just don’t get how these guys become the target of all this hate. It’s really weird.
In my case, it's not hate. I agree that Saquon is a good person and probably a very good teammate. I'm simply saying that it's wrong to expect him to carry the team even when he's totally healthy, and when he fails to do this, I'm not going to call him a bust. I'll simply say that it was a mistake to draft him #2 overall when better difference makers were available.
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In comment 15741889 GeofromNJ said:
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you'll notice that against good defenses, Barkley would dance around in the backfield looking for an opening and rarely find one at which point he'd be tackled at the LOS or behind it, and in the open field he rarely broke tackles. He was, however, fast and elusive and could run away from all but the faster defensive backs. In other words, he should never have been drafted second overall when Bradley Chubb, Quenton Nelson, and Josh Allen were all available.
Saquon wasn’t some scrub who feasted on weaker teams. Lets not be totally revisionist. Out own wonderful Sy lauded him and scouts around the nation had him as their top rated player. Sure he had his flaws. He was built like a truck but wanted to be Barry Sanders. But so what? It worked. It worked right through his rookie year and in 2019 as well. Then injuries set in and here we are now.
We are bashing a guy for the same reason people defend Daniel Jones over. He was the wrong pick at 2 for sure. That’s not his fault. The injuries aren’t his fault. He has done everything the Giants have asked from rehab, to attendance, to being humble and so forth. He hasn’t made a peep about a contract. He is just like Jones- hard working, nice guy. He is just about Saquon? This guy is tame compared to Odell and others.I just don’t get how these guys become the target of all this hate. It’s really weird.
In my case, it's not hate. I agree that Saquon is a good person and probably a very good teammate. I'm simply saying that it's wrong to expect him to carry the team even when he's totally healthy, and when he fails to do this, I'm not going to call him a bust. I'll simply say that it was a mistake to draft him #2 overall when better difference makers were available.
That’s totally fair. Like Jones, there is a good chance he is gone after this season. But, I’m not gonna root for these guys to fail. As of now they are still Giants. Sick of rooting for our own players to crash and burn.
He was literally throwing defenders off of his his rookie season. What a nigh and day difference a few years makes. I agree - he went down far too easily last year.
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That looks like 2021 Saquon for sure...lol....
Oh the Saquon trying to return from a torn ACL? Yeah what a loser right? Guy couldn’t be the exact same running back immediately after a serious injury. What a lame.
That's partly on him and partly on everyone else involved in putting damaged goods on the field. It's one thing to be medically cleared to play but Saquon is admitting he wasn't confident in his knee and his playing style was probably affected by it.
Team bears some part of the blame too.
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In comment 15741835 Jimmy Googs said:
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That looks like 2021 Saquon for sure...lol....
Oh the Saquon trying to return from a torn ACL? Yeah what a loser right? Guy couldn’t be the exact same running back immediately after a serious injury. What a lame.
That's partly on him and partly on everyone else involved in putting damaged goods on the field. It's one thing to be medically cleared to play but Saquon is admitting he wasn't confident in his knee and his playing style was probably affected by it.
Team bears some part of the blame too.
I agree. I’m just being sarcastic towards those who are placing sole blame on SB and acting like he was never good. That’s ridiculous.
Games when Barkley started: 10-34, a .227 win %
Games when Barkley has been out: 9-12, a .429 win %
Games when Barkley started: 10-34, a .227 win %
Games when Barkley has been out: 9-12, a .429 win %
Cool. Do Daniel Jones next. Hint: it doesn’t matter the Giants have been terrible since 2018 regardless.
Also I thought the RB position wasn’t conducive to winning? So why is this even a point to make?
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Games when Barkley started: 10-34, a .227 win %
Games when Barkley has been out: 9-12, a .429 win %
Cool. Do Daniel Jones next. Hint: it doesn’t matter the Giants have been terrible since 2018 regardless.
Also I thought the RB position wasn’t conducive to winning? So why is this even a point to make?
Maybe because some don't seem to get the point, or don't want to believe it. Now all things aren't just Barkley, there are obviously other factors that help drive the losses when he's starting and some of the wins when he is out.
But that is a fairly significant spread between those two groupings and more than I would have figured.
And no need to be so defensive Katon. Afterall, it wasn't your idea to make a RB the focal point of the NYG Offense. And particularly a RB who looks for home run swings too often versus consistent gains and is a poor pass blocker in a league where passing is far more the name of the game...
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...than with him.
Games when Barkley started: 10-34, a .227 win %
Games when Barkley has been out: 9-12, a .429 win %
Cool. Do Daniel Jones next. Hint: it doesn’t matter the Giants have been terrible since 2018 regardless.
Also I thought the RB position wasn’t conducive to winning? So why is this even a point to make?
Yes, you are right. The RB position contributes least to a team's wins in today's NFL. Thank you for your support.
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...than with him.
Games when Barkley started: 10-34, a .227 win %
Games when Barkley has been out: 9-12, a .429 win %
Cool. Do Daniel Jones next. Hint: it doesn’t matter the Giants have been terrible since 2018 regardless.
Also I thought the RB position wasn’t conducive to winning? So why is this even a point to make?
Maybe because some don't seem to get the point, or don't want to believe it. Now all things aren't just Barkley, there are obviously other factors that help drive the losses when he's starting and some of the wins when he is out.
But that is a fairly significant spread between those two groupings and more than I would have figured.
And no need to be so defensive Katon. Afterall, it wasn't your idea to make a RB the focal point of the NYG Offense. And particularly a RB who looks for home run swings too often versus consistent gains and is a poor pass blocker in a league where passing is far more the name of the game...
You know what Googs? You’re right. I’ll say this last piece and let it go.
I just feel badly for Saquon and the pile on here annoys me. Maybe we all have that player we try and defend. Jones has many for instance.
I absolutely agree he was the wrong pick. Not his fault. His running style may not have been conducive to the schemes Judge and Garrett constructed, behind the worst O-Line in the league thanks to DG. Not his fault. His injuries were unfortunate and obviously sapped his ability last season. And possibly going forward. Injuries are not the fault of the player in my mind.
He has his faults in his blocking. He drops passes at times. He dances when there is nothing. He’ll in all likelihood be gone next season. He’s had a rough couple of seasons, and no one feels it more than him. I don’t see the reason for kicking a guy while he’s down, particularly when much that has happened hasn’t been his fault.
But I’ll stop commenting and leave this thread alone.
And very little stops a good old fashioned pile-on on BBI...more of a tradition as many here move in herds.
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