Prior to last season I was a Daniel Jones believer. I convinced myself that this kid had all the qualities he needed to be the NY Giants QB. Then three games into last season I stopped believing. Last season was historically awful, and as I see it he was part of the reason for that. You can blame coaching, blame Gettleman, blame the Oline, blame the WRs and TEs and RBs, but at some point I looked at Daniel Jones and he just wasn't doing it for me. He looked just plain old bad out there, and he also looked foolish.
On the other hand I so badly wanted and want this kid to succeed. He is a great kid. He doesn't make excuses. He did have a small window of flashes albeit inconsistently. He acts the part. If he succeeds the Giants will succeed, and as a rabid Giants fan I want that more than anything.
But as much as I want it I cannot, right now, convince myself that he can be successful. Hence the Two Faces of Daniel Jones: Belief and Desire.
I Want It To Stop!
Game 1 - 10 car / 26 yards / 0 TDs / 2.6 YPC / 1.2 YBC/ATT
Game 2 - 13 car / 57 yards / 0 TDs / 4.3 YPC / 1.8 YBC/ATT
Game 3 - 16 car / 51 yards / 1 TDs / 3.1 YPC / 1.7 YBC/ATT
= 39 car / 134 yards / 1 TDs / 3.4 YPC / 1.56 YBC/ATT
Someone should go and take a look at the Giants overall rushing statistics provided by RBs during Daniel Jones tenure, because I'm willing to bet it's horrible. I feel a lot of people have ignored or underestimated how important a running game is in keeping a defense honest and the subsequent success of a QB. Add the fact the OL had struggled up until last season and DJ's already has had to learn 2 new offenses in 3 years (and another new one coming), and you get a recipe for "who tf knows" when evaluating Daniel Jones.
I think this has to be the final evaluation year but I am willing to start fresh and evaluate DJ based on this 1 season, good or bad. It sucks he has to learn a new offense again (especially since there was a noticeable improvement in a number of areas in yr 2 of Garret's offense last season, you could tell he was doing much less thinking and much more relying purely on his talent), but that's just how it has to be.
I am still holding on to some hope that he can be the Giants QB of the future. I like the fact that Daboll/Kafka are the ones he is learning under because they have a unique way they teach their QBs to handle progressions, and it was a massive success for Josh Allen. Fingers crossed.
What is the unique way they teach their QBs to handle progressions?
you know he’s right deep down, gidie. homerism only goes so far.
you know he’s right deep down, gidie. homerism only goes so far.
How did he chase him away?
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may be feeling guilty for chasing Go Terps away.
you know he’s right deep down, gidie. homerism only goes so far.
How did he chase him away?
I think it may have to do with a new poster who joined just to antagonize him personally, it gets old.
The site shouldn't allow it IMO.
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In comment 15742518 The Jake said:
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may be feeling guilty for chasing Go Terps away.
you know he’s right deep down, gidie. homerism only goes so far.
How did he chase him away?
I think it may have to do with a new poster who joined just to antagonize him personally, it gets old.
The site shouldn't allow it IMO.
Unlikely. Go Terps has pretty thick skin from what I read on here. Who's the new poster causing issues?
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was sacked 8 times, and there were 8 official drops recorded after the 1st 3 games last season. The rushing numbers provided by Saquon Barkley during that stretch were as follows:
Game 1 - 10 car / 26 yards / 0 TDs / 2.6 YPC / 1.2 YBC/ATT
Game 2 - 13 car / 57 yards / 0 TDs / 4.3 YPC / 1.8 YBC/ATT
Game 3 - 16 car / 51 yards / 1 TDs / 3.1 YPC / 1.7 YBC/ATT
= 39 car / 134 yards / 1 TDs / 3.4 YPC / 1.56 YBC/ATT
Someone should go and take a look at the Giants overall rushing statistics provided by RBs during Daniel Jones tenure, because I'm willing to bet it's horrible. I feel a lot of people have ignored or underestimated how important a running game is in keeping a defense honest and the subsequent success of a QB. Add the fact the OL had struggled up until last season and DJ's already has had to learn 2 new offenses in 3 years (and another new one coming), and you get a recipe for "who tf knows" when evaluating Daniel Jones.
I think this has to be the final evaluation year but I am willing to start fresh and evaluate DJ based on this 1 season, good or bad. It sucks he has to learn a new offense again (especially since there was a noticeable improvement in a number of areas in yr 2 of Garret's offense last season, you could tell he was doing much less thinking and much more relying purely on his talent), but that's just how it has to be.
I am still holding on to some hope that he can be the Giants QB of the future. I like the fact that Daboll/Kafka are the ones he is learning under because they have a unique way they teach their QBs to handle progressions, and it was a massive success for Josh Allen. Fingers crossed.
What is the unique way they teach their QBs to handle progressions?
Adding to that, Daboll and Kafka have never coached together, so if they have a unique way of teaching QBs to handle progressions, I have to wonder:
1) how would a fan know that already?
2) how would they have the same unique way of teaching QBs to handle progressions?
3) whose unique way was it originally?
4) if Daboll and Kafka share the same unique way of teaching progressions, how is it unique?
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In comment 15742520 NYGgolfer said:
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In comment 15742518 The Jake said:
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may be feeling guilty for chasing Go Terps away.
you know he’s right deep down, gidie. homerism only goes so far.
How did he chase him away?
I think it may have to do with a new poster who joined just to antagonize him personally, it gets old.
The site shouldn't allow it IMO.
Unlikely. Go Terps has pretty thick skin from what I read on here. Who's the new poster causing issues?
I'd have to guess it's the dipshit who even has a handle intended to antagonize Maryland.
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In comment 15741849 eli4life said:
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I was really really hoping there would be a Daniel Jones thread today🙄
LOL!
Did you get a speeding ticket in Maryland, or have a bad batch of crabs to eat?
Why does Maryland blow?
The Inner Harbor area is pretty good, and Fells Point is always a good time to eat and drink.
Why do you think Maryland blows?
you know he’s right deep down, gidie. homerism only goes so far.
I was actually surprised a thread with this title only had 50 posts or so when seeing it this morning. Now I know why.
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In comment 15742079 kelsto811 said:
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was sacked 8 times, and there were 8 official drops recorded after the 1st 3 games last season. The rushing numbers provided by Saquon Barkley during that stretch were as follows:
Game 1 - 10 car / 26 yards / 0 TDs / 2.6 YPC / 1.2 YBC/ATT
Game 2 - 13 car / 57 yards / 0 TDs / 4.3 YPC / 1.8 YBC/ATT
Game 3 - 16 car / 51 yards / 1 TDs / 3.1 YPC / 1.7 YBC/ATT
= 39 car / 134 yards / 1 TDs / 3.4 YPC / 1.56 YBC/ATT
Someone should go and take a look at the Giants overall rushing statistics provided by RBs during Daniel Jones tenure, because I'm willing to bet it's horrible. I feel a lot of people have ignored or underestimated how important a running game is in keeping a defense honest and the subsequent success of a QB. Add the fact the OL had struggled up until last season and DJ's already has had to learn 2 new offenses in 3 years (and another new one coming), and you get a recipe for "who tf knows" when evaluating Daniel Jones.
I think this has to be the final evaluation year but I am willing to start fresh and evaluate DJ based on this 1 season, good or bad. It sucks he has to learn a new offense again (especially since there was a noticeable improvement in a number of areas in yr 2 of Garret's offense last season, you could tell he was doing much less thinking and much more relying purely on his talent), but that's just how it has to be.
I am still holding on to some hope that he can be the Giants QB of the future. I like the fact that Daboll/Kafka are the ones he is learning under because they have a unique way they teach their QBs to handle progressions, and it was a massive success for Josh Allen. Fingers crossed.
What is the unique way they teach their QBs to handle progressions?
Adding to that, Daboll and Kafka have never coached together, so if they have a unique way of teaching QBs to handle progressions, I have to wonder:
1) how would a fan know that already?
2) how would they have the same unique way of teaching QBs to handle progressions?
3) whose unique way was it originally?
4) if Daboll and Kafka share the same unique way of teaching progressions, how is it unique?
Yea, it's Daboll obviously but it will be Daboll/Kafka implementing it. Bad choice of words on my part. All of the progressions he teaches are situational based on what the defense is giving you (see YT video) and will even have vertical as opposed to horizontal progressions when necessary + teaches some unique concepts with the WRs. The video and articles will shed some light:
https://youtu.be/z4zGaGuTVbo - this guy explains the progressions
https://theathletic.com/2324003/2021/01/15/brian-daboll-bills-coaching/
For better or worse, Daboll has been obsessive about every detail of the offense during his career, and that’s most apparent in the way he charts and teaches protections. Most offensive coordinators let their quarterbacks coaches lead blitz meetings, but Anderson says that Daboll was always present in those sessions during their time together in Buffalo.
“Dabes is very hands-on with that, which I thought was awesome,” Anderson said. When DiMarco got to Buffalo in 2017, he’d spent the previous two seasons in Atlanta with renowned offensive coach Kyle Shanahan. But DiMarco said that he’s never had an offensive coordinator who’s better at cataloging and teaching protections than Daboll. “Dabes had a different take on protections, different ways for back and quarterback and line to see things and how they operate based on safety rotation and the defensive back set up,” DiMarco said. “I wish I’d known this stuff earlier in my career. When I was in Atlanta because it would have cleaned things up for me. The way that Dabes saw stuff really made it easier for the backs and the quarterback.
”It’s no accident that despite Allen having the second-longest time to throw in the NFL (2.85 seconds, according to PFF), he has the third lowest sack rate in the NFL (10.7 percent). “These indicators were 60 percent, 70 percent true,” DiMarco said. “So it cleaned the game up, sped the game up for the offense, big time. And kudos to Dabes for digging in and doing all the research and studying the analytics behind it all.”
https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/footwork-and-new-philosophy-could-push-josh-allen-in-year-2/article_e83700b2-88d5-5396-bba0-0a69777e9276.html - see reading situations + option routes section
https://www.buffalobills.com/news/no-9-what-should-be-expected-from-brian-daboll-s-offense - see matchup focused + multi dimensional section