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Just how good was/is James Bradberry?

Vin_Cuccs : 6/27/2022 5:54 pm
I think James Bradberry has become somewhat of a polarizing player. Obviously, the team is weaker at CB after his release, and it certainly stings that he signed with a division rival, but is this a case of releasing a player a year too early as opposed to a year too late?

In his first year in 2020, he was playing at an all-pro level. He was among the best in the league. Last year, in 2021, he was much more up and down. He had good games followed by bad games, and even good series/reps followed by bad series/reps.

What does Bradberry have left? As previously mentioned, the CB situation is certainly worse after his departure, but is he strictly a zone coverage player? Martindale wants to use a heavy press man-coverage schemes and Bradberry is not a great fit for that.

He will be 29 before the season starts. Was last season a warning sign of his eventual decline?

tier 3.5/5  
Giantsfan79 : 6/27/2022 6:00 pm : link
He's better than average but not at a top tier where he can shut down an opposing receiver by himself the whole game, he needed backup at times from a safety
I also think  
Giantsfan79 : 6/27/2022 6:01 pm : link
His play will decline to average pretty quickly as he ages
He played much better in 2020 than his typical season.  
Jimmy Googs : 6/27/2022 6:09 pm : link
I think he rested on his laurels quite a bit during 2021 and got his ass burned by a number of WRs.

Maybe some decline as well due to age, but imagine he bounces back some in 2022 closer to his norm...
Can't speak for a year early aspect  
George from PA : 6/27/2022 6:10 pm : link
But last year, I felt the coaches had a horrible strategy.

I felt we had perfect press man, match corners.....Jackson taking the jitterbug type wr and Bradberry taking the big alfa type wrs.

But that was never even attempted.

They were not placed in a successful position.
I think he was  
McNally's_Nuts : 6/27/2022 6:14 pm : link
really good in 2020 because the opposite corner was so bad.
RE: Can't speak for a year early aspect  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/27/2022 6:27 pm : link
In comment 15742243 George from PA said:
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But last year, I felt the coaches had a horrible strategy.

I felt we had perfect press man, match corners.....Jackson taking the jitterbug type wr and Bradberry taking the big alfa type wrs.

But that was never even attempted.

They were not placed in a successful position.


Patrick Graham's playcalling, 2020 vs 2021, is one of the more bizarre aspects of this past season.
I thought he was injured last year  
gersh : 6/27/2022 6:32 pm : link
He’s a legit #1 CB and excellent against bigger receivers
He a guy for a team that’s ready to win now  
BillT : 6/27/2022 6:34 pm : link
He’s not a good fit for a team that’s years away. Whatever his talent level he wasn’t a good fit for us.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/27/2022 6:51 pm : link
He was excellent in '20. Up & down a lot last season. He's a good pro, but I'm not losing sleep over him being an Eagle.
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Route 9 : 6/27/2022 7:05 pm : link
I think he was a solid "B" player.

When I went to the Chicago game I said right behind the Giants bench and it was obvious this was his last year here, judging by his mannerisms. Nothing too serious but he kept waving at the offense to stay on the field for 4th down as if they were a joke lol
Route9  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/27/2022 7:08 pm : link
Well, he wasn't wrong. The offense was a joke.
We are going to find out that he is a good cover corner who can match  
Ivan15 : 6/27/2022 7:30 pm : link
Up against the big outside receivers. He may struggle a bit at times but he will be the best cover against any team’s big receiver.

In Martindale’s defense, he won’t be missed but that doesn’t mean he isn’t good. I think you will be hard pressed to find 2 better CBs playing a similar role.
Good  
mattlawson : 6/27/2022 7:39 pm : link
Not great
RE: RE: Can't speak for a year early aspect  
mattlawson : 6/27/2022 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15742253 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 15742243 George from PA said:


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But last year, I felt the coaches had a horrible strategy.

I felt we had perfect press man, match corners.....Jackson taking the jitterbug type wr and Bradberry taking the big alfa type wrs.

But that was never even attempted.

They were not placed in a successful position.



Patrick Graham's playcalling, 2020 vs 2021, is one of the more bizarre aspects of this past season.


You didn’t care for our corners playing a country mile off the line?
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christian : 6/27/2022 7:52 pm : link
I'm not sure there's much data to support Graham played very different coverage 20 > 21. If there is, I'd be interested to see it. But there are some incontrovertible facts.

The Giants had a much less effective pass rush in 2021. The Giants had far fewer blitzes and pressures from their middle line backer and safeties in 2021.

There's also the notion Bradberry has had career success in a primarily man coverage defense -- but in the pros that's not true. In Carolina Rivera played a mix of man and zone schemes, and in New York Graham played almost exclusively zone.

Bradberry has always struggled with recovery speed -- when he was at Arkansas St. he was about to be switched to safety. He transfered to Samford to stay a corner, and his recovery speed and struggles one-on-one in man coverage were negatives in his draft profile.

I think a combination of age, injury, and bad pass rush was more a factor than coverage scheme.
He was one of the best players on the team  
JerseyCityJoe : 6/27/2022 10:23 pm : link
He will be missed.
I guess we can say everything was less effective last year....  
George from PA : 6/28/2022 5:53 am : link
But the one thing that was most obvious was their "run defense ".

Blake and his 150+ tackles was never replaced.

Danny Shelton was shot.
RE: I think he was  
Toth029 : 6/28/2022 6:20 am : link
In comment 15742244 McNally's_Nuts said:
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really good in 2020 because the opposite corner was so bad.


Yiadom stunk and Adoree was great last year.

Graham and his scheme felt worse and the DL was weaker especially when you let guys like BJ Hill go and Danny Shelton is shot. But then Martinez was out, which was vital.
Well, with no running game  
SirLoinOfBeef : 6/28/2022 8:32 am : link
a historically bad OL, WRs that were always hurt,

oh, wait... the wrong guy...
RE: RE: I think he was  
NYGgolfer : 6/28/2022 8:44 am : link
In comment 15742494 Toth029 said:
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In comment 15742244 McNally's_Nuts said:


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really good in 2020 because the opposite corner was so bad.



Yiadom stunk and Adoree was great last year.

Graham and his scheme felt worse and the DL was weaker especially when you let guys like BJ Hill go and Danny Shelton is shot. But then Martinez was out, which was vital.


Adoree was far from great last year. Most of the Defensive starters, at all three levels, had sub-par years which probably drove Graham crazy as to who he could really rely upon. They were not ready to play when the season started either and that is on the coaches.
RE: Well, with no running game  
christian : 6/28/2022 9:03 am : link
In comment 15742532 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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a historically bad OL, WRs that were always hurt,

oh, wait... the wrong guy...


Most excellently played.
The cap situation dictated letting him go  
JonC : 6/28/2022 9:24 am : link
He had a difficult, up and down 2021 season, played with injury, etc. He's also on the cusp of 30 and the cliff looms, so while NYG might be worse off without him in 2022, these types of cuts are necessary to fix the cap sooner than later.
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christian : 6/28/2022 10:03 am : link
Spot on Jon.

Bradberry is in the same spot Logan Ryan was in when he came to the Giants.

I won't be surprised if he has a solid year in a hybrid corner/safety role.

The rub is you add guys like that on top of a winner, you don't build a winner on top of guys like that.
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