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AG5686 : 6/27/2022 6:33 pm
Here is my question of the day....which of these 3 people will be on the Knicks roster come October 2022??
Mitch Robinson,Julius Randle,Jalen Brunson.....
All three  
TommyWiseau : 6/27/2022 6:46 pm : link
Will be on the team. I am of the mind that Robinson should not get paid a cent more then 4 years 40 mil and Randle should go elsewhere. Won’t happen though
I'd wager good coin on all  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/27/2022 6:48 pm : link
3.
If the gods are just  
bceagle05 : 6/27/2022 6:50 pm : link
we’ve seen the last of Randle, but I suspect all three start the season as Knicks.
The Knicks are so damn frustrating  
Keaton028 : 6/27/2022 6:55 pm : link
Already know they are going to overpay Brunson, a good but not great player.

Honestly, if Dejounte Murray is available, they should be trying to move mountains to get him. Much more well-rounded, a proven all star who is really just finding his game.
Yuck  
GNewGiants : 6/27/2022 7:01 pm : link
Mitchell Robinson is easily replaceable and Randle was so awful last year.

That’s a bad off-season if all 3 are on the team.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/27/2022 7:04 pm : link
As an aside, I'd love for a Knicks beat to do some digging & find out what was going on with Randle last season. The dude just looked like he was miserable AF. I kept speculating that perhaps it was something in personal life that we obviously weren't privy to as fans. He was a completely different dude than he was in '20-21, when he was penning an article on The Player's Tribune about how much he loved being a Knick & playing in NYC.

Just a bizarre situation.
most dont fall off a cliff....  
BigBlueDawg56 : 6/27/2022 7:31 pm : link
from drugs its always alcohol. he had that look. not gonna lie
I'm still pissed we didn't  
Chris L. : 6/27/2022 7:38 pm : link
get Jaden Ivey. Some of my anger goes to the Kings. They end up with Kegan Murray...big deal. I suspect between the picks and the players we offered more value than Keegan Murray. Would love to know what we offered which was turned down.
Chris L...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/27/2022 7:46 pm : link
I still don't get why the Kings passed on Ivey. But then again, it is the Kings.
RE: The Knicks are so damn frustrating  
adamg : 6/27/2022 7:52 pm : link
In comment 15742273 Keaton028 said:
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Already know they are going to overpay Brunson, a good but not great player.

Honestly, if Dejounte Murray is available, they should be trying to move mountains to get him. Much more well-rounded, a proven all star who is really just finding his game.


Murray is better at fishing and defending. I'll give you that. Brunson can actually shoot the ball though. You give me that?
Dishing*  
adamg : 6/27/2022 7:52 pm : link
Maybe he is the better fisher too.
RE: Dishing*  
AG5686 : 6/27/2022 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15742314 adamg said:
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Maybe he is the better fisher too.

Swishing annnnd Dishing
RE: RE: The Knicks are so damn frustrating  
Keaton028 : 6/27/2022 8:05 pm : link
In comment 15742312 adamg said:
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Already know they are going to overpay Brunson, a good but not great player.

Honestly, if Dejounte Murray is available, they should be trying to move mountains to get him. Much more well-rounded, a proven all star who is really just finding his game.



Murray is better at fishing and defending. I'll give you that. Brunson can actually shoot the ball though. You give me that?


Sure I’ll give you that. But there is plenty more facets to the game and Murray can still find ways to score. I’m not really even sure Murray is available, but some reports deem it so. Just seems his upside is higher, he’s used to being the primary floor general, and would be a guy I wouldn’t mind spending on. But who knows? Like I said, Brunson may be more realistic because Murray isn’t on the market.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/27/2022 8:11 pm : link
IMO, Murray is better than Brunson. But not a huge gap between the two.
Okay I’ll play  
PhilSimms15 : 6/27/2022 8:12 pm : link
Who I predict will be on the team: Randle
Who I want to be on the team: Brunson

Thank you for starting this thread. The other Knick thread was on its ninth or tenth page!
RE: Okay I’ll play  
AG5686 : 6/27/2022 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15742340 PhilSimms15 said:
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Who I predict will be on the team: Randle
Who I want to be on the team: Brunson

Thank you for starting this thread. The other Knick thread was on its ninth or tenth page!

Either way you don't see Mitch as a Knick...
I tend to agree
i  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2022 8:36 pm : link
mean this 100% with sincerity and not being a troll, I think it's remarkable how little Leon Rose has done "outside the obvious" and yet remained in the good graces of a famously impatient (rightfully so) fanbase. He may end up a great hire, but his best moves would be....? Which Leon Rose moves have given you great confidence he was a home run hire? And this isn't even a Phil situation where his resume is so huge you get the benefit of the doubt. I 100% mean this, I'm not even saying Leon is bad, I'm just kind of shocked with how he's managed to basically have a free ride (even the media kinda lets him get away with not talking to them outside of a reference here and there)
The huge difference  
Maggot Brain : 6/27/2022 8:39 pm : link
between Brunson and Murray is the cost to acquire them. Brunson costs money only. Murray costs some ones and some of our young players (Quick, Toppin, Grimes?). Better Brunson with our current roster or Murray with a gutted roster and less future ones?
RE: i  
AG5686 : 6/27/2022 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15742364 DanMetroMan said:
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mean this 100% with sincerity and not being a troll, I think it's remarkable how little Leon Rose has done "outside the obvious" and yet remained in the good graces of a famously impatient (rightfully so) fanbase. He may end up a great hire, but his best moves would be....? Which Leon Rose moves have given you great confidence he was a home run hire? And this isn't even a Phil situation where his resume is so huge you get the benefit of the doubt. I 100% mean this, I'm not even saying Leon is bad, I'm just kind of shocked with how he's managed to basically have a free ride (even the media kinda lets him get away with not talking to them outside of a reference here and there)

No troll in my eyes...I will say the media seems to give him a very hard time about his silence
Truth is he doesn't have many options...he finally has cap space and a bit of draft capital to work with..
Me personally I don't need to hear from a GM...just see results
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2022 8:47 pm : link
know truly nothing about this kid D'Shawn Schwartz who is on the summer league team but apparently he was a top 75 HS player in 2017, 40 and 38% from 3 the past 2 seasons
Great  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2022 8:52 pm : link
read. Makes both Sexton and Bamba sound more intriguing than maybe some of us believe.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: I  
Del Shofner : 6/27/2022 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15742379 DanMetroMan said:
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know truly nothing about this kid D'Shawn Schwartz who is on the summer league team but apparently he was a top 75 HS player in 2017, 40 and 38% from 3 the past 2 seasons


Is a full summer league roster available for the Knicks yet? Just seeing this prelim report of expected players -

PLAYER POS DOB LAST TEAM STATUS

Garrison Brooks PF 6/29/1999 Mississippi State (NCAA) Free Agent

Jean Montero PG 7/3/2000 Overtime Elite Free Agent

Micah Potter PF 4/6/1998 Sioux Falls (G League) Free Agent

D'Shawn Schwartz SG 2/15/1999 George Mason (NCAA) Free Agent
I've  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2022 8:58 pm : link
only seen individual players announced, nothing from the team.
According to Fischer Brunson is leaning towards thr Knicks  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2022 8:59 pm : link
i havnt listened to it yet, going to listen to it now, but thats ehat i saw on twitter
RE: i  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/27/2022 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15742364 DanMetroMan said:
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mean this 100% with sincerity and not being a troll, I think it's remarkable how little Leon Rose has done "outside the obvious" and yet remained in the good graces of a famously impatient (rightfully so) fanbase. He may end up a great hire, but his best moves would be....? Which Leon Rose moves have given you great confidence he was a home run hire? And this isn't even a Phil situation where his resume is so huge you get the benefit of the doubt. I 100% mean this, I'm not even saying Leon is bad, I'm just kind of shocked with how he's managed to basically have a free ride (even the media kinda lets him get away with not talking to them outside of a reference here and there)

Not giving away #1s for Eddie Curry or Andrea Bargnani goes a long way with the fan base. #ShellShocked
RE: I  
Del Shofner : 6/27/2022 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15742379 DanMetroMan said:
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know truly nothing about this kid D'Shawn Schwartz who is on the summer league team but apparently he was a top 75 HS player in 2017, 40 and 38% from 3 the past 2 seasons


looks like he's 23 but just finished at George Mason
Fischer  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2022 9:11 pm : link
isn't a massive "fan" of Brunson's perceived upside. Thinks this is the player he is, which is a solid NBA "table setter", doesn't think he'ss a guy who goes to another team and explodes

-Says Murray to Atlanta is pretty close
Dan.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/27/2022 9:13 pm : link
Leon sucks IMO.
But  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2022 9:15 pm : link
yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish
RE: But  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2022 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15742398 DanMetroMan said:
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish


Yeah listening to it now
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DanMetroMan : 6/27/2022 9:27 pm : link
Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
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Five-time NBA All-Star John Wall will secure a buyout with the Houston Rockets and become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell
@YahooSports
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RE: But  
AG5686 : 6/27/2022 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15742398 DanMetroMan said:
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish

I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen
RE: RE: But  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2022 9:30 pm : link
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish


I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen


Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs
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DanMetroMan : 6/27/2022 9:33 pm : link

Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
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The Clippers, as covered earlier today in my latest around-the-league notes, are expected to mount a strong bid to sign John Wall in free agency once the league opens for business Thursday night at 6 PM ET.
RE: .  
GNewGiants : 6/27/2022 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15742410 DanMetroMan said:
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Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
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The Clippers, as covered earlier today in my latest around-the-league notes, are expected to mount a strong bid to sign John Wall in free agency once the league opens for business Thursday night at 6 PM ET.


Does Kawhi need someone to sit by him on the bench or something?
I wonder what Collin Sexton  
Keaton028 : 6/27/2022 9:35 pm : link
would command coming off injury. I like his game, and Cleveland’s backcourt is becoming crowded. Wouldn’t pay top dollar but a guy I could definitely live with on a reasonable deal.
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AG5686 : 6/27/2022 9:41 pm : link
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish


I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen



Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs

Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space
All 3 will be on the team  
moespree : 6/27/2022 9:42 pm : link
They will win 35 or less. Thibs will be fired. And Rose will be on the hot seat heading into the 23/24 season likely leading to him going as well.

Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.

In other words business as usual.
RE: All 3 will be on the team  
Del Shofner : 6/27/2022 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15742416 moespree said:
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They will win 35 or less. Thibs will be fired. And Rose will be on the hot seat heading into the 23/24 season likely leading to him going as well.

Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.

In other words business as usual.


certainly possible and I can't tell you you're wrong.

but I hope not
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nygiants16 : 6/27/2022 9:45 pm : link
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish


I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen



Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs


Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space


So what? Doesnt mean thats it the team is final, they have 8 guys under the age of 24, they have flexibikity and plenty of 1sts..

Signing Brunson is just a step in the process, if they win 45 next year and Brunson, Iq, Rj, Obi and Mitch if he is brought back all play well you dont think a star would want to play with them?
Wall  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2022 9:46 pm : link
Has already agreed to to to LAC
RE: All 3 will be on the team  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2022 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15742416 moespree said:
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They will win 35 or less. Thibs will be fired. And Rose will be on the hot seat heading into the 23/24 season likely leading to him going as well.

Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.

In other words business as usual.


They won 37 last year with no Brunson and Randle playing like absolute crap and Rj having a terrible start to the year
RE: I  
adamg : 6/27/2022 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15742379 DanMetroMan said:
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know truly nothing about this kid D'Shawn Schwartz who is on the summer league team but apparently he was a top 75 HS player in 2017, 40 and 38% from 3 the past 2 seasons


A landsman???
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larryflower37 : 6/27/2022 10:41 pm : link
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish


I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen



Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs


Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space



So what? Doesnt mean thats it the team is final, they have 8 guys under the age of 24, they have flexibikity and plenty of 1sts..

Signing Brunson is just a step in the process, if they win 45 next year and Brunson, Iq, Rj, Obi and Mitch if he is brought back all play well you dont think a star would want to play with them?

What do you think OBI and quick are going to be worth after another year locked to the bench and getting 12-15 minutes a night?
The starting 5 will be Brunson, RJ, Randle, Fournier and Mitch and Thibs is going to run them 35 -40 minutes a night and no one is going to sign up for that group.
So your 41 wins gets you an 8th seed and a early out in the playoffs.
I think  
Spider43 : 6/28/2022 4:21 am : link
Just Randle, sadly. I hope I'm wrong.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/28/2022 7:02 am : link
'Normal people keep the world going, but those who dare to be different lead us into tomorrow.'

That is an actual quote from Kyrie on his decision to opt in. He is a modern day MLK Jr. in his mind. 🤷🤷🤷.
If randle is on the roster at the beginning of the year  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 6/28/2022 7:32 am : link
He won’t be by the end
Randle  
31southst : 6/28/2022 7:49 am : link
I am holding out hope after the FA opening sprint shakes out, someone talks themselves into Randle. Maybe CHA loses Bridges and views JR as a replacement on a reasonable contract relative to what Bridges gets from someone like the Pistons. Maybe Dallas talks themselves into him as the best they can do in a JB sign and trade. Maybe Phoenix looks at him if they lose Ayton. Just something popping up.
RE: Randle  
Mike in NJ : 6/28/2022 8:18 am : link
In comment 15742514 31southst said:
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I am holding out hope after the FA opening sprint shakes out, someone talks themselves into Randle. Maybe CHA loses Bridges and views JR as a replacement on a reasonable contract relative to what Bridges gets from someone like the Pistons. Maybe Dallas talks themselves into him as the best they can do in a JB sign and trade. Maybe Phoenix looks at him if they lose Ayton. Just something popping up.


I feel like that is the most likely scenario. There aren’t many big name free agents available this off-season so hopefully one of the teams that “strikes out” talks themselves into trading for him rather than standing pat and doing nothing.
Begley  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 8:22 am : link
"According to people in touch with the organization after the NBA draft, some with the Knicks have legitimate optimism about their chances of landing Brunson."
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AG5686 : 6/28/2022 8:30 am : link
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish


I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen



Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs


Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space



So what? Doesnt mean thats it the team is final, they have 8 guys under the age of 24, they have flexibikity and plenty of 1sts..

Signing Brunson is just a step in the process, if they win 45 next year and Brunson, Iq, Rj, Obi and Mitch if he is brought back all play well you dont think a star would want to play with them?

Exactly!!!plus our team is seriously lacking a healthy PG.
Remember how well we played last year with Derrick Rose?
RE: i  
Jan in DC : 6/28/2022 8:42 am : link
In comment 15742364 DanMetroMan said:
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mean this 100% with sincerity and not being a troll, I think it's remarkable how little Leon Rose has done "outside the obvious" and yet remained in the good graces of a famously impatient (rightfully so) fanbase. He may end up a great hire, but his best moves would be....? Which Leon Rose moves have given you great confidence he was a home run hire? And this isn't even a Phil situation where his resume is so huge you get the benefit of the doubt. I 100% mean this, I'm not even saying Leon is bad, I'm just kind of shocked with how he's managed to basically have a free ride (even the media kinda lets him get away with not talking to them outside of a reference here and there)


It's because all the moves he's made have been short term and low risk. That and he's had small wins in the draft where the fanbase has seen flashes of brilliance, but a thorough evaluation of the young players hasn't been possible because of the coach that Rose hired. Not to mention the accumulating assets is basically a net neutral until a move is made with them.
Lakers  
TyreeHelmet : 6/28/2022 8:49 am : link
It’s remarkable how screwed up of a job management has done there. The Westbrook trade not only killed them on the court, it has prevented them from reallly making any trades of impact. Unless something unexpected happens, they’ll have no shot to contend with that roster next season as well. Could go down as one of the worst trades in recent history.
For me  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 8:56 am : link
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..

It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..

Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..

After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
RE: For me  
Heisenberg : 6/28/2022 9:40 am : link
In comment 15742555 nygiants16 said:
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if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..

It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..

Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..

After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players


I want them to move Randle to open time for Obi in the starting lineup. But Brunson is a huge upgrade over Kemba and PG Alec Burks. Even if the rest of the team is the same, it's a pretty decent improvement.

I feel pretty confident that there's other moves to come this week. We will see
RE: For me  
BigBlueShock : 6/28/2022 9:49 am : link
In comment 15742555 nygiants16 said:
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if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..

It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..

Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..

After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players

If they are in fact looking at a sign and trade with Dallas for Brunson, some of those guys you mentioned will have to be a part of that, I would think
Per Michael Scotto the Knicks have talked with  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 9:49 am : link
the Clippers about a Noel deal. LAC has a trade exception so we wouldn’t need to take any salary back.
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nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 9:49 am : link
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if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..

It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..

Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..

After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players



I want them to move Randle to open time for Obi in the starting lineup. But Brunson is a huge upgrade over Kemba and PG Alec Burks. Even if the rest of the team is the same, it's a pretty decent improvement.

I feel pretty confident that there's other moves to come this week. We will see


Its a decent improvement not saying its not, i just want Brunson, Iq, Rj and Obi the main cogs of the team and see where we are at at the end of the year
RE: All 3 will be on the team  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/28/2022 9:55 am : link
In comment 15742416 moespree said:
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They will win 35 or less. Thibs will be fired. And Rose will be on the hot seat heading into the 23/24 season likely leading to him going as well.

Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.

In other words business as usual.


They got nothing from Randle all year and nothing from RJ until like February. Rose barely played. Grimes didn't break into the starting lineup until late.

I don't see how they'd go backwards like you're saying.
RE: For me  
Kmed6000 : 6/28/2022 9:55 am : link
In comment 15742555 nygiants16 said:
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if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..

It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..

Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..

After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players


My advice would be to stay patient. I think it makes more sense to start the season with Randle for a few reasons. First off, was Obi's finish to the season real? Was it because a lot of the games weren't competitive or did something click? Its an unknown. Secondly, Randles trade value is at it's lowest right now. I think he has an opportunity to improve that and would be a valuable asset after the season has begun to another team that needs a scoring option.
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nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 9:59 am : link
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if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..

It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..

Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..

After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players



My advice would be to stay patient. I think it makes more sense to start the season with Randle for a few reasons. First off, was Obi's finish to the season real? Was it because a lot of the games weren't competitive or did something click? Its an unknown. Secondly, Randles trade value is at it's lowest right now. I think he has an opportunity to improve that and would be a valuable asset after the season has begun to another team that needs a scoring option.


I agree, i think with Obi though we saw glimpses of it all year, we just didnt see it for bigger minutes, thibs rolled with Randle for 35 regardless of how bad he played..

They were games Obi had 10 to 12 points in 14 minutes, if he got the minutes we see more from him
Gotta move the vets to force Thibs' hand.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/28/2022 10:04 am : link
Because if vets are around, he is playing them no matter what.
per Begley  
Enzo : 6/28/2022 10:04 am : link
supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
nygiants16  
Heisenberg : 6/28/2022 10:04 am : link
I agree. The only way I want to just add Brunson and run it back is if we really think Randle's downturn is a blip. I really can't believe it is, because he was so toxic. But if he returned to his previous form, the form we locked into a contract, he's a better player than Obi is right now. Seems so unlikely that he'll do that though because he was so negative. Send him packing and let Obi get 35+ a game and let's see what he can do. Randle is super talented and skilled but Obi's effort level is basically unmatched on the team. It makes him so easy to root for.

If Randles on the team, Thibs will play him 35 + a night. Can't do it. Not again.
I still think there is more than just Brunson  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 10:08 am : link
We heard the Knicks were trying for Ivey and Brunson, i still think they want to upgrade the 2 guard position, Fournier is fine but he is a 6th man
RE: I still think there is more than just Brunson  
TommyWiseau : 6/28/2022 10:21 am : link
In comment 15742621 nygiants16 said:
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We heard the Knicks were trying for Ivey and Brunson, i still think they want to upgrade the 2 guard position, Fournier is fine but he is a 6th man


Agreed, Fournier coming off the bench with the 2nd team would be idea. Maybe they see Grimes as that 3 and D two guard? Or maybe they try and deal for another guard to pair with Brunson (assuming we even land him).

Either way, two of Noel, Burks, Rose or Randle need to go. I also would love to move Cam Reddish for an asset, I think he has no place on this team. He is not a good basketball player
RE: per Begley  
Jan in DC : 6/28/2022 10:24 am : link
In comment 15742617 Enzo said:
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supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.


On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
You're right about that  
Greg from LI : 6/28/2022 10:24 am : link
Reddish stinks, and on top of that is often injured.
RE: RE: per Begley  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 10:29 am : link
In comment 15742634 Jan in DC said:
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supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.



On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.

He was referring to some Boston reporter's report but that was never going to happen. Burks on the other hand makes much more sense for Boston
RE: RE: per Begley  
Enzo : 6/28/2022 10:34 am : link
In comment 15742634 Jan in DC said:
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In comment 15742617 Enzo said:


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supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.



On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.

yeah - that makes sense given Boston chose not to retain fournier last year at that number, lol. But they do need to improve their roster somehow and Burks checks some boxes for them, won't cost much to obtain, and is only under contract for the coming season.
RE: RE: RE: per Begley  
Jan in DC : 6/28/2022 10:37 am : link
In comment 15742638 Strahan91 said:
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supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.



On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.


He was referring to some Boston reporter's report but that was never going to happen. Burks on the other hand makes much more sense for Boston


Agree 100%. I think he'd be nice for them as another guy who can handle the ball and score some on low usage. Burks definitely has the most value of vets we'd be looking to move for cap space.
Scotto  
Enzo : 6/28/2022 10:50 am : link
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Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto
Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers


go get Brunson AND Ayton!
Not sure how legit this is but figured I'd share  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 11:09 am : link
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Interestingly, an insider close to the situation says that the Spurs have multiple teams making a strong push for Murray besides the Hawks. One Eastern Conference team, he says, is offering three first round draft picks and a desirable young player in a proposed swap. He also stated that the Minnesota Timberwolves have expressed serious interest in Murray.


Same writer says the Spurs asking price is 4 first round picks with little to no protection, not 3 as initially reported.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Scotto  
Heisenberg : 6/28/2022 11:21 am : link
In comment 15742651 Enzo said:
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Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto
Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers



go get Brunson AND Ayton!


I think this one is just to give Sims a contract and give him the backup role. I might get talked into taking a chance on Ayton though. The way that ended is a huge red flag, however.
Stay patient...  
AG5686 : 6/28/2022 11:31 am : link
Makes the most sense to me
Especially since there are no blockbuster FA out there...besides we don't have enough for a big splash anyway...
Randle will be here..Mitch not Brunson prolly not...so we try to get a serviceable PG and C via trades...
Meanwhile let's see how real Obi and IQs end of the season was..
I wonder if the Knicks are leaking  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 11:33 am : link
interest in Burks and Noel to basically say hey Mavs do a sign and trade or we will trade these 2 and just sign Brunson outright
RE: I wonder if the Knicks are leaking  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15742683 nygiants16 said:
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interest in Burks and Noel to basically say hey Mavs do a sign and trade or we will trade these 2 and just sign Brunson outright

I think they may want to dump both. That way they can structure the Brunson contract in a way that declines annually (a Brock Aller special) and open up more minutes for some of the younger guys.
RE: Not sure how legit this is but figured I'd share  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/28/2022 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15742663 Strahan91 said:
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Interestingly, an insider close to the situation says that the Spurs have multiple teams making a strong push for Murray besides the Hawks. One Eastern Conference team, he says, is offering three first round draft picks and a desirable young player in a proposed swap. He also stated that the Minnesota Timberwolves have expressed serious interest in Murray.



Same writer says the Spurs asking price is 4 first round picks with little to no protection, not 3 as initially reported. Link - ( New Window )


In full: San Antonio’s asking price for Murray is four first round draft picks with little to no protections. Alternatively, the Spurs want three minimally protected first rounders and two unprotected first round pick swaps.

This is a monumental ask, lol
RE: Lakers  
Section331 : 6/28/2022 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15742542 TyreeHelmet said:
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It’s remarkable how screwed up of a job management has done there. The Westbrook trade not only killed them on the court, it has prevented them from reallly making any trades of impact. Unless something unexpected happens, they’ll have no shot to contend with that roster next season as well. Could go down as one of the worst trades in recent history.


They're already in luxury tax territory with only 8 players under contract. They're bad, and right now have no way of getting better. Even John Wall scoffed at them.
Hahaha.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/28/2022 12:32 pm : link
Lakers having to pay Russ $47.1 million...I can't help but laugh.
Either way even without Brunson  
larryflower37 : 6/28/2022 12:36 pm : link
I think the Knicks need to move on from Noel and Burks.
I love D. Rose but if you can move him I think you do. Thibs will play him 25-30 minutes if he is on the roster
We need to really find out what Quickley and McBride are capable of and they need minutes.
Grimes will get minutes just because we don't have depth at the wing/2 to keep him on the bench.

Randle to Dallas in a sign and trade  
larryflower37 : 6/28/2022 12:40 pm : link
Makes the most sense but you have to take back assets that might not like and maybe give up a pick but he would want to go home.
The pods have scenarios where this can happen.


RE: Scotto  
Mike in NJ : 6/28/2022 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15742651 Enzo said:
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Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto
Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers



go get Brunson AND Ayton!


That would be a home run off season, especially if they can find a new home for Randle. How fun would a lineup of Ayton, Toppin, Barrett, Grimes, Brunson be? I don’t know if that team gets out of the first round but id sure as hell enjoy watching them.
big ask for Murray.....  
Italianju : 6/28/2022 12:43 pm : link
4 lightly protected firsts is a ton. Im a big Murray fan, but id need to know the protections. Like by that statement our extra acquired picks wouldnt be of little interest to them. Id happily give them all 3 of those with one of ours with like top 3 protections, but im not sure who the young player would be. Knowing the Knicks it would be Obi and i dont like that.



RE: Randle to Dallas in a sign and trade  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15742747 larryflower37 said:
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Makes the most sense but you have to take back assets that might not like and maybe give up a pick but he would want to go home.
The pods have scenarios where this can happen.


Don't see this happening. I think getting locked into that Randle contract without knowing which version you're going to get isn't feasible without the Knicks parting with multiple firsts. In the Dallas scenario they'd have to take back THJ or Bertans which is probably not the best idea.
not sure if im in the minority...  
Italianju : 6/28/2022 12:45 pm : link
but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.
We're in no position  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/28/2022 12:48 pm : link
to give up unprotected firsts for Murray. Plain and simple. This team needs every asset it can get.

Signing Brunson is a much better alternative to long term planning.
Italianju.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/28/2022 12:49 pm : link
A lot of chatter Ayton isn't the hardest worker either...
RE: The huge difference  
81_Great_Dane : 6/28/2022 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15742366 Maggot Brain said:
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between Brunson and Murray is the cost to acquire them. Brunson costs money only. Murray costs some ones and some of our young players (Quick, Toppin, Grimes?). Better Brunson with our current roster or Murray with a gutted roster and less future ones?
This. Very important consideration IMV. The Knicks have been stockpiling assets, apparently with the idea of using them to acquire a superstar, either by trading up in the draft or by trade. Is Murray the superstar you spend those assets on? I don't think so. You get Murray and you still need that superstar. Is Brunson that superstar? Of course not, but you don't need to empty the cupboard to get him.

Re the OP: I think Randle's value is down right now; the Knicks would be selling low. I don't think they will do that. I think they'll bet on him having enough of a bounce-back season to maybe trade him mid-season. I think odds are better than 50-50 that Brunson ends up on the Knicks, maybe through a sign-and-trade where NY gives up some surplus players, like Noel and Reddish. (I think I saw that the money would work with that combination.) Mitch? Who knows? I think Mitch was a great value as a 2nd-round pick and a terrific #2 center but he's not showing much growth in his offensive game, and that's going to hold him back, both on the court and in terms of getting a big contract. He's a bit better at staying out of foul trouble but his offensive game is so limited...
RE: All three  
GFAN52 : 6/28/2022 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15742264 TommyWiseau said:
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Will be on the team. I am of the mind that Robinson should not get paid a cent more then 4 years 40 mil and Randle should go elsewhere. Won’t happen though


Agreed all three will be on the roster. And their future is at best, a one and down playoff team.
RE: not sure if im in the minority...  
Enzo : 6/28/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15742758 Italianju said:
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but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.

Max deal for Ayton would be 4/131 so a little less than 35 per. Still a ton of money. I like that he's still very young (even though he looks like he's 40). You would think most teams would have maxed him already but the Suns are notoriously cheap. He's certainly not a super star, but he still has room to grow and his age/timeline matches up with a few of our guys.
Fred Katz says  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 1:01 pm : link
the knicks have inquired with other teams about Julius Randle trades
RE: RE: All three  
Mike in NJ : 6/28/2022 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15742772 GFAN52 said:
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Will be on the team. I am of the mind that Robinson should not get paid a cent more then 4 years 40 mil and Randle should go elsewhere. Won’t happen though



Agreed all three will be on the roster. And their future is at best, a one and down playoff team.


Who cares if they are a one and down playoff team this year? Nobody is expecting them to contend this year no matter what moves they make. That doesn’t mean you continue to sit on your hands and do nothing, adding Brunson improved the team and retains flexibility to continue to improve before the deadline or next offseason.
id really like to live in a magical world...  
Italianju : 6/28/2022 1:13 pm : link
where we can move randle without attaching assets to him, shit maybe even get back an asset, but i cant see it. Teams will see what we see, 1 good year and then back to closer to his career norms.

I do think he makes sense for DAL. They dont lose Brunson for nothing, Randle doesnt make some absurd amount of money, and even last years randle is probably the Mavs second best player. That roster is luka and a bunch of junk.
The issue with  
Jan in DC : 6/28/2022 1:21 pm : link
trading Randle to the Mavs is the BYC issue with Brunson. I think his salary only counts as half in any sign and trade deal.
BYC  
31southst : 6/28/2022 1:30 pm : link
I don't totally understand BYC but I think because the Knicks are under the cap, that might be a workaround?
Trades can be made today, right?  
Anakim : 6/28/2022 1:31 pm : link
We don't need to wait until July 1st, the first day of free agency, right?
RE: BYC  
Jan in DC : 6/28/2022 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15742803 31southst said:
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I don't totally understand BYC but I think because the Knicks are under the cap, that might be a workaround?


So, based on my very very limited understanding, the salaries have to match unless the team taking on more money is under the cap. If you were to do a Randle for Brunson trade, NY would be sending out about $26m in salary, and Brunson's would be about $13 or so (if his contract was $26 a year) so it would be important that the Mavs were under the cap because they'd be taking additional salary in the deal.

Not sure if that made sense, but I think that's right.
.  
bceagle05 : 6/28/2022 1:47 pm : link
zach
@_917zach

Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”

Then states that he heard from multiple sources that Dallas was very angry that Leon, Wes, and Julius showed up to their playoff game vs Utah.
RE: not sure if im in the minority...  
Section331 : 6/28/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15742758 Italianju said:
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but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.


Yes, Embiid can be the best player on a championship team, his biggest issue has always been health. If you knew Ayton would be as good as Embiid, $35M is a steal, I just have y doubts that Ayton will be THAT good.
Begely said  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 1:54 pm : link
he has heard Knicks will be active beyond jist Brunson..hope so team needs trimming down
Dallas has no use for Randle  
GNewGiants : 6/28/2022 1:59 pm : link
They just signed Wood. Randle and Wood as your front court defenders is asking Luka to put up 50 a game.
RE: RE: not sure if im in the minority...  
Italianju : 6/28/2022 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15742817 Section331 said:
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In comment 15742758 Italianju said:


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but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.



Yes, Embiid can be the best player on a championship team, his biggest issue has always been health. If you knew Ayton would be as good as Embiid, $35M is a steal, I just have y doubts that Ayton will be THAT good.


I said he is Embiid lite....not embiid. If he was embiid id have no problem paying him.
RE: .  
Anakim : 6/28/2022 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15742816 bceagle05 said:
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zach
@_917zach

Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”



Welcome to the club
Begely says  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 2:20 pm : link
People in the front office view Brunson as a valuable piece that will move the Knivks forward but not franchise altering, believes more moves are coming on top of Brunson..

Said he is not sure if Knicks have talked to spurs but scouts have told him they view Brunson and Murray a good fit together
RE: Fred Katz says  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15742775 nygiants16 said:
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the knicks have inquired with other teams about Julius Randle trades

Not sure if you just saw this on twitter or listened to it but worth mentioning he made it clear that this was just to gauge what his value was around the league and the Knicks do this with most of their players (also pointed out that it's something that all competent organizations do)
DAL  
31southst : 6/28/2022 2:30 pm : link
Dallas can be frustrated all they want but if I were them, I would be frustrated I could have signed JB for 4/55 and chose not to in the name of flexibility for something that never happened.
RE: DAL  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15742866 31southst said:
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Dallas can be frustrated all they want but if I were them, I would be frustrated I could have signed JB for 4/55 and chose not to in the name of flexibility for something that never happened.

So true! They made their own bed and if Brunson signs here have to lie in it
RE: RE: RE: not sure if im in the minority...  
Section331 : 6/28/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15742844 Italianju said:
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In comment 15742817 Section331 said:


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In comment 15742758 Italianju said:


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but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.



Yes, Embiid can be the best player on a championship team, his biggest issue has always been health. If you knew Ayton would be as good as Embiid, $35M is a steal, I just have y doubts that Ayton will be THAT good.



I said he is Embiid lite....not embiid. If he was embiid id have no problem paying him.


Totally missed that, although I'd put Ayton at Embiid-super lite.
Begley said Knicks considering converting Sims to full deal and sign  
Heisenberg : 6/28/2022 2:56 pm : link
the fat dookie to a 2-Way in his place. Would fit with moving Noel this week.
haha...  
Italianju : 6/28/2022 2:56 pm : link
yeah i prolly would to.
Hopefully all the flirting Mitchell is doing  
larryflower37 : 6/28/2022 2:57 pm : link
Pays off. Looks like he went to dinner with Quickley last night.
Need to keep building assets and not waste them on mediocre talent
Speaking of Mitchell  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 2:59 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Boston Celtics assistant Will Hardy is closing in on deal to become the next head coach of the Utah Jazz, sources tell
@TheAthletic

@Stadium
.


Bryant stays and it looks like Ainge went with someone he knew
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 3:27 pm : link
get the "why" but the Celtics getting a solid player like Burks for a trade exception seems like a steal for them
RE: RE: .  
widmerseyebrow : 6/28/2022 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15742845 Anakim said:
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In comment 15742816 bceagle05 said:


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zach
@_917zach

Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”





Welcome to the club


Hahaha
Burks  
31southst : 6/28/2022 4:00 pm : link
Burks would be a good fit for the C's and if the Knicks don't need to give up anything, it could work for everyone. The Knicks definitely benefit from only needing to get rid of one of Burks/Noel so they can just take the first good offer.
RE: I  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15742947 DanMetroMan said:
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get the "why" but the Celtics getting a solid player like Burks for a trade exception seems like a steal for them

Totally agree. Just a guess, but I'm thinking the reason Burks is still here is that the Knicks are pushing to get something in return for him
Stein  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 4:29 pm : link
says the Mavs are resigned to the fact they will be losing Brunson.
Tucker  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 4:33 pm : link
headed to the Sixers, 3 for 30
RE: Stein  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/28/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15742990 DanMetroMan said:
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says the Mavs are resigned to the fact they will be losing Brunson.


Sucks for them.
Mavs  
31southst : 6/28/2022 4:37 pm : link
At what point do they bow to the obvious and negotiate a S&T with the Knicks. Given the context, Burks going back beats the alternative of nothing. Of course at this point, that might cost them something. I would ask them to remove the protections on this years pick or go from top 10 to top 4 - basically role the dice Luka sprains an ankle or something.
RE: Stein  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15742990 DanMetroMan said:
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says the Mavs are resigned to the fact they will be losing Brunson.

Lowe said on his podcast that execs he's spoken with have said they think the Mavs would need to outbid the Knicks by $5M/year to keep Brunson and then there was this from a Dallas media guy

Kevin Turner
@ktfuntweets
"I think it's a 99% chance that Jalen Brunson ends up with the Knicks"- @skinwadea few minutes ago on @BenandSkin on 97.1 The Eagle @theeagledallas

Certainly seems like things are falling into place
RE: Mavs  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15742996 31southst said:
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At what point do they bow to the obvious and negotiate a S&T with the Knicks. Given the context, Burks going back beats the alternative of nothing. Of course at this point, that might cost them something. I would ask them to remove the protections on this years pick or go from top 10 to top 4 - basically role the dice Luka sprains an ankle or something.

They probably are already (or will soon) but if it were to get out the league probably dock the Knicks a second round pick which is what happened when the Bucks did that with the Kings and Bogdanovic two years ago
RE: .  
djm : 6/28/2022 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15742816 bceagle05 said:
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zach
@_917zach

Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”

Then states that he heard from multiple sources that Dallas was very angry that Leon, Wes, and Julius showed up to their playoff game vs Utah.


Well boo fucking hoooo...


The NBA has been trolling the Knicks (literally) for 20 years now. IF I am the Knicks I am doing anything and everything dirty but legal to gain talent. The NBA can fuck the hell off...twice.
That's a big chunk of change....  
guitarguybs12 : 6/28/2022 4:49 pm : link
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Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
At this point, it's widely anticipated that Jalen Brunson will go to the Knicks on a four-year deal in excess of $100M. It remains to be seen how New York will clear the rest of the necessary cap space and whether the Mavs can work a sign-and-trade to recoup assets.
With all the reports today this seems like one of those FA deals  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 4:50 pm : link
done deals leaking out that'll happen as soon as the window opens a la Lonzo last year


Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
At this point, it's widely anticipated that Jalen Brunson will go to the Knicks on a four-year deal in excess of $100M. It remains to be seen how New York will clear the rest of the necessary cap space and whether the Mavs can work a sign-and-trade to recoup assets.
Zubac  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 5:09 pm : link
remains a clipper 3 for 33
RE: Zubac  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15743023 DanMetroMan said:
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remains a clipper 3 for 33

Good comp for Robinson's next contract
Fischer  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 5:23 pm : link
reporting the Brunson deal is reportedly "more than" 100 over 4. Not even knocking Brunson, but damn is he getting paid... "more than" 25 million per season.
RE: Fischer  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15743031 DanMetroMan said:
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reporting the Brunson deal is reportedly "more than" 100 over 4. Not even knocking Brunson, but damn is he getting paid... "more than" 25 million per season.


I read somewhere its possible Knicks do a descelated deal
more reporters jumping in  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 5:27 pm : link

tim cato
@tim_cato
i'll add to the chorus: the Mavericks have had a belief for at least the past couple weeks, multiple sources tell me, that Jalen Brunson would sign with the Knicks. at this point, it's seen as a certainty.
If  
g56blue10 : 6/28/2022 5:29 pm : link
Brunson really does sign with us, the one pick I would be hesitant to trade is the Mavericks pick. If like we’re to miss any significant time that could be a top of the lottery pick
im still on the fence on brunson....  
Italianju : 6/28/2022 5:31 pm : link
but he is def an upgrade. HOpefully there will be other dominoes to go with him. Lets hope his best ball is ahead of him!
RE: If  
g56blue10 : 6/28/2022 5:32 pm : link
In comment 15743041 g56blue10 said:
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Brunson really does sign with us, the one pick I would be hesitant to trade is the Mavericks pick. If like we’re to miss any significant time that could be a top of the lottery pick


Luka
Brunson contract seems pretty fair to me.  
bceagle05 : 6/28/2022 5:35 pm : link
Twenty-nine other teams hand him the same deal and probably get their asses kissed for it.
RE: If  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 5:36 pm : link
In comment 15743041 g56blue10 said:
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Brunson really does sign with us, the one pick I would be hesitant to trade is the Mavericks pick. If like we’re to miss any significant time that could be a top of the lottery pick

It's top 10 protected but I think it's possible as part of a sign and trade the Mavs remove the protections on it. With the protections now, it's challenging for them to make deals involving 1st rounders given the uncertainty. Removing the protections would give them more flexibility to replace Brunson's production.
RE: RE: Zubac  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15743029 Strahan91 said:
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remains a clipper 3 for 33


Good comp for Robinson's next contract


Fred Katz
@FredKatz
Meanwhile, this is an important market-setting deal for free-agent centers in this range. The Knicks have one of those…
RE: RE: .  
adamg : 6/28/2022 5:37 pm : link
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zach
@_917zach

Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”

Then states that he heard from multiple sources that Dallas was very angry that Leon, Wes, and Julius showed up to their playoff game vs Utah.



Well boo fucking hoooo...


The NBA has been trolling the Knicks (literally) for 20 years now. IF I am the Knicks I am doing anything and everything dirty but legal to gain talent. The NBA can fuck the hell off...twice.


Amen.
RE: RE: If  
g56blue10 : 6/28/2022 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15743046 Strahan91 said:
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Brunson really does sign with us, the one pick I would be hesitant to trade is the Mavericks pick. If like we’re to miss any significant time that could be a top of the lottery pick


It's top 10 protected but I think it's possible as part of a sign and trade the Mavs remove the protections on it. With the protections now, it's challenging for them to make deals involving 1st rounders given the uncertainty. Removing the protections would give them more flexibility to replace Brunson's production.


That’s my bad then. I didn’t think it was protected
Good news sounds like coming our way  
adamg : 6/28/2022 5:40 pm : link
Pleasant surprise.
im not mitch's biggest fan..  
Italianju : 6/28/2022 5:42 pm : link
but 3/33, sign me up.

Brunson is a starting caliber player on a good team. We need those. Are we paying for it, sure, but this does feel like a solid deal. We see 25 per and its sticker shock, but the stars are making 40 mill now.

No fucking way this happens.  
guitarguybs12 : 6/28/2022 5:51 pm : link
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@sny_knicks
"Teams do not think Jalen Brunson is the last move for the Knicks. Opposing teams see Brunson and Dejounte Murray as an attractive fit in the backcourt."
If you  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 5:52 pm : link
read the actual piece there is no real indication they are even considering that at all.

"As far as adding another player, New York would have the draft capital to put together a package for San Antonio’s Spurs' Dejounte Murray. According to Bleacher Report, the Atlanta Hawks and Spurs have had talks surrounding Murray. I don’t know if the Knicks have touched base with San Antonio, but rival executives see Murray and Brunson as a strong fit, for what it’s worth. "
Begely says  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 5:54 pm : link
Opposing teams believe Knicks are not done and Brunson is just the first move, also says opposing teams say they think a Murray and Brunson backcourt would be a good fit..

I agree it would be a good fit but i dont see how that would fit with Rj
RE: If you  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 5:56 pm : link
In comment 15743058 DanMetroMan said:
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read the actual piece there is no real indication they are even considering that at all.

"As far as adding another player, New York would have the draft capital to put together a package for San Antonio’s Spurs' Dejounte Murray. According to Bleacher Report, the Atlanta Hawks and Spurs have had talks surrounding Murray. I don’t know if the Knicks have touched base with San Antonio, but rival executives see Murray and Brunson as a strong fit, for what it’s worth. "

They could be that mystery Eastern Conference team reported earlier today but I'm skeptical too. It just doesn't seem like a Leon and Co. move to go all in on Brunson and Murray vs keeping your draft powder dry for a Donovan Mitchell or another superstar who could become available in the next year or so. But who knows, they haven't made enough bigger moves to really gauge their thought processes.
Comment by Mike Francessa on Twiiter. I totally agree.  
Ira : 6/28/2022 5:59 pm : link

Mike Francesa
@MikeFrancesa
There is no denying the talent of Kyrie Irving. But I wouldn't have him on my team for free.
in theory if you trade for Murray....  
Italianju : 6/28/2022 6:04 pm : link
and a star comes on the market that we feel is better it would open you up to be able to include Murray, or brunson, or even RJ. Yes those guys would come with be contracts (although Murray not for another year) but they could have value to a team who has a star forcing there way out but dont want to blow it up completely. And even if you traded 3-4 firsts for Murray we would still have a bunch of firsts.

Im clearly a murray fan, its a high cost, but i like the idea of adding brunson and Murray. Its def more talent, but is there enough shooting.
RE: in theory if you trade for Murray....  
TommyWiseau : 6/28/2022 6:12 pm : link
In comment 15743063 Italianju said:
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and a star comes on the market that we feel is better it would open you up to be able to include Murray, or brunson, or even RJ. Yes those guys would come with be contracts (although Murray not for another year) but they could have value to a team who has a star forcing there way out but dont want to blow it up completely. And even if you traded 3-4 firsts for Murray we would still have a bunch of firsts.

Im clearly a murray fan, its a high cost, but i like the idea of adding brunson and Murray. Its def more talent, but is there enough shooting.


Eh, I am not sure how I feel with a Murray and Brunson duo. Murray just does not shoot well enough. With Randle and RJ being inconsistant shooters I could see us losing a lot of winnable games if they are off
RE: Begely says  
widmerseyebrow : 6/28/2022 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15743059 nygiants16 said:
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Opposing teams believe Knicks are not done and Brunson is just the first move, also says opposing teams say they think a Murray and Brunson backcourt would be a good fit..

I agree it would be a good fit but i dont see how that would fit with Rj


Would San Antonio want RJ?
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/28/2022 6:46 pm : link
I think I would rather have RJ than Murray going forward. But that's me.
RE: ...  
Anakim : 6/28/2022 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15743078 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think I would rather have RJ than Murray going forward. But that's me.


Ditto. RJ is worth more than Murray, but I would love to find a way to acquire him.
Do we have cap space for both..  
AG5686 : 6/28/2022 7:06 pm : link
Brunson and Murray?
If we wind up with Murray and Brunson  
adamg : 6/28/2022 7:06 pm : link
oh baby...
RE: Do we have cap space for both..  
adamg : 6/28/2022 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15743090 AG5686 said:
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Brunson and Murray?


If we trade our extras. If we move Fournier, it'd be really easy.
I think they are laying  
larryflower37 : 6/28/2022 7:08 pm : link
The ground work for Mitchell it might not be next season but I feel that's a match that will happen kinda like Melo was rumored for 2+ years before it happened.
He wants to be here, works out here, lives her in the off-season.
Hangs with the young Knicks and is loved in the city.
It's a numbers game and a Utah not having egg on their face.
Burks (9.5) Noel (8) Cam (4.5) Rose (13.5)  
adamg : 6/28/2022 7:14 pm : link
Any of the above would clear space too.
Mitchell-Brunson-RJ trio...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/28/2022 7:16 pm : link
Me likey. & I'm not the biggest Donovan fan.

But that team is a contender.
Fournier (17) Randle (22)  
adamg : 6/28/2022 7:22 pm : link
possibilities....
Murray's cap hit is 15.4 for reference.  
adamg : 6/28/2022 7:23 pm : link
Rose for Murray works straight up
RE: in theory if you trade for Murray....  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 7:26 pm : link
In comment 15743063 Italianju said:
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and a star comes on the market that we feel is better it would open you up to be able to include Murray, or brunson, or even RJ. Yes those guys would come with be contracts (although Murray not for another year) but they could have value to a team who has a star forcing there way out but dont want to blow it up completely. And even if you traded 3-4 firsts for Murray we would still have a bunch of firsts.

Im clearly a murray fan, its a high cost, but i like the idea of adding brunson and Murray. Its def more talent, but is there enough shooting.

I would imagine though SA would want the Knicks' picks vs other picks they have. If you're also offering pick swaps, any package you can put together for say Donovan Mitchell isn't going to be all that strong.
RE: RE: in theory if you trade for Murray....  
adamg : 6/28/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15743112 Strahan91 said:
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and a star comes on the market that we feel is better it would open you up to be able to include Murray, or brunson, or even RJ. Yes those guys would come with be contracts (although Murray not for another year) but they could have value to a team who has a star forcing there way out but dont want to blow it up completely. And even if you traded 3-4 firsts for Murray we would still have a bunch of firsts.

Im clearly a murray fan, its a high cost, but i like the idea of adding brunson and Murray. Its def more talent, but is there enough shooting.


I would imagine though SA would want the Knicks' picks vs other picks they have. If you're also offering pick swaps, any package you can put together for say Donovan Mitchell isn't going to be all that strong.


Rumor was three firsts gets Murray. If we're trading Rose he's worth something too.
Three firsts and Rose  
adamg : 6/28/2022 7:31 pm : link
would still leave us with enough assets to get Mitchell, no?
RE: RE: RE: in theory if you trade for Murray....  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15743122 adamg said:
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Rumor was three firsts gets Murray. If we're trading Rose he's worth something too.

Word today was that they want 4 firsts with light to no protections and pick swaps. The three first thing came from Jake Fischer saying they were looking for a package similar to what Jrue Holiday was dealt for and people just ran with it as if he said they want exactly what Holiday was dealt for.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/28/2022 7:35 pm : link
I'd be shocked if we got Murray. And personally, I don't know if he'd be worth what we'd give up.
RE: RE: RE: RE: in theory if you trade for Murray....  
adamg : 6/28/2022 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15743124 Strahan91 said:
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Rumor was three firsts gets Murray. If we're trading Rose he's worth something too.


Word today was that they want 4 firsts with light to no protections and pick swaps. The three first thing came from Jake Fischer saying they were looking for a package similar to what Jrue Holiday was dealt for and people just ran with it as if he said they want exactly what Holiday was dealt for.


Thanks. Didn't see that update. I'd love to land both him and Brunson. I'd worry about landing Mitchell when that time comes. Maybe some of our guys will turn into better assets (Fournier/Randle) by then.
4 firsts for Murray?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/28/2022 7:36 pm : link
Fuck no. And I like Murray. That's highway robbery for him. This isn't a first team All NBA player we're talking about.
I'd do Rose and three firsts and a couple seconds for him  
adamg : 6/28/2022 7:40 pm : link
I think that's a fair trade.
I think the Knicks should  
GNewGiants : 6/28/2022 7:42 pm : link
Sign Brunson
Keep Randle
Ditch Mitch and sign Deandre Jordan
Get Harden or Conley
RE: I think the Knicks should  
adamg : 6/28/2022 7:42 pm : link
In comment 15743141 GNewGiants said:
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Sign Brunson
Keep Randle
Ditch Mitch and sign Deandre Jordan
Get Harden or Conley


Gross.
Hmm...  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 7:43 pm : link
The 3 picks the Knicks got are not worth much  
larryflower37 : 6/28/2022 7:45 pm : link
The pistons pick is top 18 protected for the next 2 years which is a stretch to hit
Washington is top 14 for 2 years definitely possible
Bucks is a 25' top 4 protected.
Knicks would need to include their own firsts unprotected in any big deals. Plus the protected they got.
That can get a Mitchell plus young players.
If Murray or Brunson can be part of a deal to get you Mitchell that helps but I would assume Utah wouldn't want a max/near player if they go rebuild.
RE: Hmm...  
adamg : 6/28/2022 7:46 pm : link
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RE: RE: I think the Knicks should  
GNewGiants : 6/28/2022 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15743142 adamg said:
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Sign Brunson
Keep Randle
Ditch Mitch and sign Deandre Jordan
Get Harden or Conley



Gross.


You don’t see the entertainment value of starting 5 lefties!! How awesome would that be!
RE: The 3 picks the Knicks got are not worth much  
adamg : 6/28/2022 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15743147 larryflower37 said:
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The pistons pick is top 18 protected for the next 2 years which is a stretch to hit
Washington is top 14 for 2 years definitely possible
Bucks is a 25' top 4 protected.
Knicks would need to include their own firsts unprotected in any big deals. Plus the protected they got.
That can get a Mitchell plus young players.
If Murray or Brunson can be part of a deal to get you Mitchell that helps but I would assume Utah wouldn't want a max/near player if they go rebuild.


Wouldn't they need to match salary? How would they do that without a big contract?
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/28/2022 7:48 pm : link
A lot of these guys create drama for the sake of drama. It is UFB.
RE: RE: The 3 picks the Knicks got are not worth much  
larryflower37 : 6/28/2022 8:06 pm : link
In comment 15743152 adamg said:
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The pistons pick is top 18 protected for the next 2 years which is a stretch to hit
Washington is top 14 for 2 years definitely possible
Bucks is a 25' top 4 protected.
Knicks would need to include their own firsts unprotected in any big deals. Plus the protected they got.
That can get a Mitchell plus young players.
If Murray or Brunson can be part of a deal to get you Mitchell that helps but I would assume Utah wouldn't want a max/near player if they go rebuild.



Wouldn't they need to match salary? How would they do that without a big contract?

Absolutely thought that was a given. I am talking assets that would close the deal.
That's why the small deals to Noel, Burks, Rose, Kemba and to a lesser extent Fournier are and we're important. We gave that up now for Brunson which would probably have to be in a deal or RJ.
There’s definitely some truth to the smoke on Murray  
ajr2456 : 6/28/2022 8:28 pm : link
But the price is still way too high for the Knicks
Stein mentions a move for Murray  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 8:51 pm : link
in his latrst newsletter, definitely thinks Rose is not done with just Brunson
RE: 4 firsts for Murray?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/28/2022 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15743132 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Fuck no. And I like Murray. That's highway robbery for him. This isn't a first team All NBA player we're talking about.


Exactly. No one thinks Murray is worth that price. That's an "I don't seriously want to trade him" price.

Burks and Noel to Detroit per Woj  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 9:45 pm : link
“ The Knicks are trading center Nerlens Noel and guard Alec Burks to the Pistons, sources tell ESPN. The Knicks will unload $19M more in salary, clearing the way for cap space to try and sign free agent guard Jalen Brunson.”
RE: 4 firsts for Murray?  
Sean : 6/28/2022 9:45 pm : link
In comment 15743132 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Fuck no. And I like Murray. That's highway robbery for him. This isn't a first team All NBA player we're talking about.

Eh, if they make the playoffs what are those picks really? Just put on some protections and I’d probably make that trade. The Knicks just thought so little of the 11th pick that they moved it in part to dump salary.
RE: Burks and Noel to Detroit per Woj  
larryflower37 : 6/28/2022 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15743202 Strahan91 said:
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“ The Knicks are trading center Nerlens Noel and guard Alec Burks to the Pistons, sources tell ESPN. The Knicks will unload $19M more in salary, clearing the way for cap space to try and sign free agent guard Jalen Brunson.”


Did we get some 2nds at least?
Two seconds and cash  
ajr2456 : 6/28/2022 9:48 pm : link
To clear Burks and Noel
Knicks traded cash and two seconds.  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 9:48 pm : link
Not bad at all
Just the opposite  
larryflower37 : 6/28/2022 9:49 pm : link
The Knicks are including two future second-round picks and cash in the deal to incentivize the Pistons, sources tell ESPN.
Knicks  
Reeses Pieces : 6/28/2022 9:51 pm : link
continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.
RE: Knicks  
Mike in NJ : 6/28/2022 9:52 pm : link
In comment 15743216 Reeses Pieces said:
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continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.


Yeah man, really gonna lose sleep over those second round picks.
RE: Knicks  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15743216 Reeses Pieces said:
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continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.

The Knicks have been accumulating seconds on the cheap every offseason to be able to do stuff like this. I’d rather they admit they made a mistake a year in then live in denial and hope and pray that eventually they’re redeemed.
RE: RE: Knicks  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15743217 Mike in NJ said:
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continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.



Yeah man, really gonna lose sleep over those second round picks.

We’ll never get our next Andy Rautins will we
RE: Knicks  
larryflower37 : 6/28/2022 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15743216 Reeses Pieces said:
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continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.


Yep....
A lot of work for Brunson. Better payoff
RE: Knicks  
ajr2456 : 6/28/2022 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15743216 Reeses Pieces said:
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continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.


They’re still +2 in future second round picks.
RE: Two seconds and cash  
TyreeHelmet : 6/28/2022 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15743210 ajr2456 said:
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To clear Burks and Noel


Good trade- I thought it would be harder to move Noel.

I really like Burks as a bench guard. Good shooter and good teammate… he’ll help Detroit.
RE: RE: Knicks  
TommyWiseau : 6/28/2022 9:56 pm : link
In comment 15743217 Mike in NJ said:
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continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.



Yeah man, really gonna lose sleep over those second round picks.


We can literally buy 2nd round picks with cash. We don’t even have roster spots for them
I hated the one and Burks  
GMEN46 : 6/28/2022 9:56 pm : link
Signings as much as anyone. I was furious, but I don’t give a F about the 2nds. They have so many seconds. Happy that Boston and clippers don’t get Burks or Noel
RE: RE: Two seconds and cash  
TommyWiseau : 6/28/2022 9:57 pm : link
In comment 15743228 TyreeHelmet said:
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To clear Burks and Noel



Good trade- I thought it would be harder to move Noel.

I really like Burks as a bench guard. Good shooter and good teammate… he’ll help Detroit.


He was the one player I would have liked to keep out of Noel, Kemba and Rose.
Cap space  
GMEN46 : 6/28/2022 9:58 pm : link
How much cap space do we have now, when we release Gibson will we be at $36 million? Are we giving all of that to Brunson, I hope not. Maybe Boston will take Fournier and 2 seconds for their trade exception
RE: Cap space  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15743235 GMEN46 said:
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How much cap space do we have now, when we release Gibson will we be at $36 million? Are we giving all of that to Brunson, I hope not. Maybe Boston will take Fournier and 2 seconds for their trade exception


No, i am sure there is more coming
The Miami pick  
ajr2456 : 6/28/2022 10:02 pm : link
2024 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to New York (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or New York will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]
RE: RE: RE: Knicks  
larryflower37 : 6/28/2022 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15743229 TommyWiseau said:
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continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.



Yeah man, really gonna lose sleep over those second round picks.



We can literally buy 2nd round picks with cash. We don’t even have roster spots for them

Wait 2nds are valuable when we get them but trash when we give them away?
Thanks
The protections on that Miami pick are brutal.  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 10:09 pm : link
It’s essentially a non asset
Hollinger  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 10:10 pm : link
“ Knicks also could operate as "over cap team" and retain full non-taxpayer MLE if Kemba, Burks, Noel lumped into one big 3-way sign-and-trade with Dallas for Brunson. Looks like Knicks could even start Brunson at $24.25M or less and generate a $9.2M TPE for Kemba.”
Rose is wheeling and Dealing  
AG5686 : 6/28/2022 10:11 pm : link
I love it!!
Welp Mavs you get nothing  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 10:12 pm : link
..
Sounds good.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/28/2022 10:13 pm : link
Now what happens with Julio Randle??
RE: RE: Cap space  
AG5686 : 6/28/2022 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15743236 nygiants16 said:
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How much cap space do we have now, when we release Gibson will we be at $36 million? Are we giving all of that to Brunson, I hope not. Maybe Boston will take Fournier and 2 seconds for their trade exception



No, i am sure there is more coming

Knicks are offering 4 yr $100MM to brunson
RE: RE: RE: Cap space  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15743253 AG5686 said:
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How much cap space do we have now, when we release Gibson will we be at $36 million? Are we giving all of that to Brunson, I hope not. Maybe Boston will take Fournier and 2 seconds for their trade exception



No, i am sure there is more coming


Knicks are offering 4 yr $100MM to brunson


Yeah and Knicks opened up close to 38 million if they release Taj
RE: I think the Knicks should  
AG5686 : 6/28/2022 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15743141 GNewGiants said:
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Sign Brunson
Keep Randle
Ditch Mitch and sign Deandre Jordan
Get Harden or Conley

Whaaaatttt
RE: RE: I think the Knicks should  
GNewGiants : 6/28/2022 10:17 pm : link
In comment 15743257 AG5686 said:
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In comment 15743141 GNewGiants said:


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Sign Brunson
Keep Randle
Ditch Mitch and sign Deandre Jordan
Get Harden or Conley


Whaaaatttt


Read my post after that. You’ll get it then.
RE: RE: RE: I think the Knicks should  
AG5686 : 6/28/2022 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15743259 GNewGiants said:
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In comment 15743141 GNewGiants said:


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Sign Brunson
Keep Randle
Ditch Mitch and sign Deandre Jordan
Get Harden or Conley


Whaaaatttt



Read my post after that. You’ll get it then.

Haaaaa...sorry I didn't see that..
You southpaws stick together
Lmaoooooo
RE: RE: RE: RE: Knicks  
Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 10:28 pm : link
In comment 15743241 larryflower37 said:
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Wait 2nds are valuable when we get them but trash when we give them away?
Thanks

We got 3 second round picks by taking Ed Davis into cap space then getting rid of him.
RE: Rose is wheeling and Dealing  
Anakim : 6/28/2022 10:28 pm : link
In comment 15743247 AG5686 said:
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I love it!!


He's covering up his mistakes from last year. He's the one who signed Kemba, Burks and Noel and is now trading away assets to make up for those signings.

Who's to say we won't be in the same boat this time next year?
If Brunson is at 25 million starting salary  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 10:31 pm : link
knicks could have 10 to 12 million in space left after Brunson signs..they trade Cam, they can absorb Murray and just send out picks..

They didnt need to trade both Burks and Noel
RE: RE: Rose is wheeling and Dealing  
AG5686 : 6/28/2022 10:33 pm : link
In comment 15743275 Anakim said:
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I love it!!



He's covering up his mistakes from last year. He's the one who signed Kemba, Burks and Noel and is now trading away assets to make up for those signings.

Who's to say we won't be in the same boat this time next year?

Burks was a solid player for us..sad to see him go
Noel.was fantastic during the playoffs...injuries made him expendable
Kemba was just a bad move...only out I give Rose was we needed a PG and Kemba was the only one available...
But his contract wasn't bad
We are in a much much much better place now than last year
The man has cleared $30plus million in cap space...
RE: If Brunson is at 25 million starting salary  
AG5686 : 6/28/2022 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15743277 nygiants16 said:
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knicks could have 10 to 12 million in space left after Brunson signs..they trade Cam, they can absorb Murray and just send out picks..

They didnt need to trade both Burks and Noel

Maybe...I liked both Burks and Noel...
Noel.was injured alot and Burks becomes expendable if we get Murray
Now we need to address Mitchgate
Fournier was dogshit last year  
Anakim : 6/28/2022 10:41 pm : link
But I guess it would be costly to trade him. They should definitely waive Gibson.

And I still hope we trade Randle. And at this point, what is Reddish's value? If it's that low, we might as well keep him and see if he can improve.
.  
Anakim : 6/28/2022 10:53 pm : link
Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
When free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources tell @YahooSports.
RE: Fournier was dogshit last year  
AG5686 : 6/28/2022 10:53 pm : link
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But I guess it would be costly to trade him. They should definitely waive Gibson.

And I still hope we trade Randle. And at this point, what is Reddish's value? If it's that low, we might as well keep him and see if he can improve.

Fournier was a big disappointment...but he played lights out in the Olympics right before we signed him...last year not so much
Cam got hurt...lets see with him
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Strahan91 : 6/28/2022 10:56 pm : link
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Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
When free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources tell @YahooSports.

I bet it winds up being 4 for $100M with $10M in very difficult to achieve bonuses
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AG5686 : 6/28/2022 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15743286 Anakim said:
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Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
When free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources tell @YahooSports.

Its clear they were gonna outbid Dallas..
Reddish  
TommyWiseau : 6/28/2022 10:59 pm : link
Sucks, been bearing about his potential since before he arrived at Duke.
RE: RE: If Brunson is at 25 million starting salary  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/28/2022 11:08 pm : link
In comment 15743281 AG5686 said:
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knicks could have 10 to 12 million in space left after Brunson signs..they trade Cam, they can absorb Murray and just send out picks..

They didnt need to trade both Burks and Noel


Maybe...I liked both Burks and Noel...
Noel.was injured alot and Burks becomes expendable if we get Murray
Now we need to address Mitchgate


Burks was expendable if Grimes is healthy regardless of needing cap space.
I think Burks will be missed a little.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/28/2022 11:18 pm : link
When used right and not the Coach's safety blanket he's a good bench scorer and helped the Knicks win games.

You hope Quickley can take that role.
RE: I think Burks will be missed a little.  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 11:19 pm : link
In comment 15743300 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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When used right and not the Coach's safety blanket he's a good bench scorer and helped the Knicks win games.

You hope Quickley can take that role.


Burks was at his best when he was coming off the bench 15 to 20 minutes and play more when he is hot..
Rose paying those CAA  
larryflower37 : 6/28/2022 11:22 pm : link
Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
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Anakim : 6/28/2022 11:29 pm : link
Evan Sidery
@esidery

The Knicks and Wizards were the two teams most consistently linked to Malcolm Brogdon over the last week.

With New York signing Jalen Brunson, Washington seems like the potential favorite unless the Mavericks now pivot in that direction.
RE: Rose paying those CAA  
AG5686 : 6/28/2022 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15743303 larryflower37 said:
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Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.

Fournier has 1 yr left..I hope we get Brunson and Murray
U down with that backcourt??
RE: Rose paying those CAA  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2022 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15743303 larryflower37 said:
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Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.


You realize like half the league is CAA right?

you also realize Brunson will be the 14th highest paid PG in the NBA? 25 million a year is nothing for a atarting PG in todays NBA
RE: RE: Rose paying those CAA  
AG5686 : 6/28/2022 11:36 pm : link
In comment 15743309 nygiants16 said:
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Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.



You realize like half the league is CAA right?

you also realize Brunson will be the 14th highest paid PG in the NBA? 25 million a year is nothing for a atarting PG in todays NBA

Especially for position we so desperately need...he is a rising star
RE: RE: Rose paying those CAA  
larryflower37 : 6/28/2022 11:40 pm : link
In comment 15743309 nygiants16 said:
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Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.



You realize like half the league is CAA right?

you also realize Brunson will be the 14th highest paid PG in the NBA? 25 million a year is nothing for a atarting PG in todays NBA


Oh I get it and he is not a top half PG for 27.5 million and doesn't make this team more than 4 or 5 games better.
Not a difference maker at all and everyone is expecting a big leap which I don't see happening.
Enjoy your moment I just don't see.
If we could pair up Brunson and Murray in the backcourt  
Stu11 : 6/28/2022 11:47 pm : link
That could potentially be the best backcourt we've had since Clyde and Pearl, and Murray defends 1's too. I tend to disagree with holding out for and waiting around for Mitchell or some other star to finally shake loose. If Murray is truly gettable, I'd go all in with the draft capital (at least 2 of them will have to be our picks). If you keep RJ, and Obi than that's a nice rotation. How long are we supposed to sit around waiting for a star to shake loose? Murray is up and coming and we don't even have to pay him the mega bucks for this season and next.
RE: RE: RE: Rose paying those CAA  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2022 12:17 am : link
In comment 15743314 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 15743303 larryflower37 said:


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Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.



You realize like half the league is CAA right?

you also realize Brunson will be the 14th highest paid PG in the NBA? 25 million a year is nothing for a atarting PG in todays NBA



Oh I get it and he is not a top half PG for 27.5 million and doesn't make this team more than 4 or 5 games better.
Not a difference maker at all and everyone is expecting a big leap which I don't see happening.
Enjoy your moment I just don't see.


I think you're fooling yourself if you don't think a legitimate starting PG doesn't make the team 4-5 games better. It's not a coincidence that Randle had his big year playing off Rose at PG.

It's also not a coincidence that Rose missed 60 games and the Knicks were significantly worse off for it. And this is late career running on fumes, shouldn't be playing starter minutes Rose.



As to "not a differencemaker at all"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2022 12:19 am : link
In the playoffs Jalen Brunson averaged 21, 4, 4 on 55% TS going up against the #10, #3, and #2 ranked defenses.
According to Jake Fischer  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 7:50 am : link
Knicks are not done, still shopping Fournier and Reddish, they are also looking to add on top of adding Brunson, said there were rumblings around the league about Knicks and Murray but wasnt sure about the fit since Brunson is coming to the Knicks to be the makn ball handler...


Also said Mitch is expected back 4 years 60 million, i would guess some of that is incentives
Mitch  
five5 : 6/29/2022 8:29 am : link
4/60 is an overpay for a one dimensional player.

Still trying to figure out the Reddish deal.
RE: Mitch  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 8:32 am : link
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4/60 is an overpay for a one dimensional player.

Still trying to figure out the Reddish deal.


it wouldnt exactly be 4 for 60 i am guessing more like 4 for 45 or so with incentives i am guessong
Mavs will make a run at Warriors Payton to replace Brunson  
Rick in Dallas : 6/29/2022 8:36 am : link
If he signs with Knicks
Brunson will be a significant improvement at PG for Knicks. He has really improved the last couple of years for the Mavs. He was a baller in playoffs this season.
The questiom now is  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 8:39 am : link
do the Knicks work with the Mavs on a sign and trade? Do the mavs take on some salary or do they want just a trade exception? If it is just a trade exception, i am asking for them to remove the protections off the 23 pick
RE: The questiom now is  
Mike in NJ : 6/29/2022 8:43 am : link
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do the Knicks work with the Mavs on a sign and trade? Do the mavs take on some salary or do they want just a trade exception? If it is just a trade exception, i am asking for them to remove the protections off the 23 pick


Honestly if I am Dallas, I’d strongly consider bringing back Fournier in a sign and trade. As time goes on that contract gets easier for them to flip for something else, and at least you’re getting a solid player rather then losing Brunson for nothing while as a luxury tax team basically not being able to do anything to replace him. As a guy that made a high number of 3s on pretty good percentages, Fournier is certainly overpaid, but still a solid player.
RE: RE: The questiom now is  
AG5686 : 6/29/2022 8:55 am : link
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do the Knicks work with the Mavs on a sign and trade? Do the mavs take on some salary or do they want just a trade exception? If it is just a trade exception, i am asking for them to remove the protections off the 23 pick



Honestly if I am Dallas, I’d strongly consider bringing back Fournier in a sign and trade. As time goes on that contract gets easier for them to flip for something else, and at least you’re getting a solid player rather then losing Brunson for nothing while as a luxury tax team basically not being able to do anything to replace him. As a guy that made a high number of 3s on pretty good percentages, Fournier is certainly overpaid, but still a solid player.

They can have Fournier...Ill even throw in a free milk bone
RE: According to Jake Fischer  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 9:03 am : link
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Knicks are not done, still shopping Fournier and Reddish, they are also looking to add on top of adding Brunson, said there were rumblings around the league about Knicks and Murray but wasnt sure about the fit since Brunson is coming to the Knicks to be the makn ball handler...


Also said Mitch is expected back 4 years 60 million, i would guess some of that is incentives

I get the sentiment there but Murray is nowhere near as ball dominant as Luka is. His usage was a career high last year but still pales in comparison to Luka’s and was more so by necessity than anything else
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Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2022 9:08 am : link
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continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.



Yeah man, really gonna lose sleep over those second round picks.



We can literally buy 2nd round picks with cash. We don’t even have roster spots for them


Wait 2nds are valuable when we get them but trash when we give them away?
Thanks


2nds are valuable specifically in situations like this! This is why you stockpile, to use them as trade filler.
Even after shipping out  
Jan in DC : 6/29/2022 9:14 am : link
Burks and Noel, the rotation is still tight.

PG: Brunson, Rose
SG: Fournier, Quickley, Grimes
SF: RJ, Cam
PF: Randle, Toppin
C: Robinson, Sims

That's a 11 man rotation, that doesn't account for Taj if we sign him back or McBride.

I'm hoping they can swing another deal to tighten up the roster.
RE: Even after shipping out  
Mike in NJ : 6/29/2022 9:17 am : link
In comment 15743401 Jan in DC said:
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Burks and Noel, the rotation is still tight.

PG: Brunson, Rose
SG: Fournier, Quickley, Grimes
SF: RJ, Cam
PF: Randle, Toppin
C: Robinson, Sims

That's a 11 man rotation, that doesn't account for Taj if we sign him back or McBride.

I'm hoping they can swing another deal to tighten up the roster.


Im guessing at least one of Fournier, Randle, Reddish isn’t on the roster by the time the trade deadline rolls around, if not much sooner.
RE: RE: Mitch  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 9:24 am : link
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4/60 is an overpay for a one dimensional player.

Still trying to figure out the Reddish deal.



it wouldnt exactly be 4 for 60 i am guessing more like 4 for 45 or so with incentives i am guessong

Where are seeing it's incentivized?
It better be because Mitch is not worth 15 million per.
RE: RE: RE: Mitch  
AG5686 : 6/29/2022 9:27 am : link
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4/60 is an overpay for a one dimensional player.

Still trying to figure out the Reddish deal.



it wouldnt exactly be 4 for 60 i am guessing more like 4 for 45 or so with incentives i am guessong


Where are seeing it's incentivized?
It better be because Mitch is not worth 15 million per.

I agree...but 4 for $45 is fine
I'm not crazy about that Robinson contract  
Anakim : 6/29/2022 9:28 am : link
He hasn't proven he can stay healthy
Knicks  
31southst : 6/29/2022 9:35 am : link
I would not at all be surprised if the Brunson contract is descending, which would mean it starts at 29 if the total is 4/110. Also the KFS guys mentioned this could be a positive for both sides if JB ends up with a player option on the last year.

As for Mitch, 4/60 sounds like a big overpay to me. That said, we need to remember to wait until details come out for everything based on how last year went. I can see it being announced 4/60 with 10 in unlikely bonuses and the last year non-guaranteed, so it really ends up being more like 3/36.
RE: Knicks  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 10:15 am : link
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I would not at all be surprised if the Brunson contract is descending, which would mean it starts at 29 if the total is 4/110. Also the KFS guys mentioned this could be a positive for both sides if JB ends up with a player option on the last year.

I agree that it’ll probably be descending. I mentioned this above but I also think it’s likely to be 4 for $100M with $10M in incentives that are essentially unreachable. The media will report the sticker price which is what CAA wants but it’ll really be 4 for $100M. Just a hunch
Doesnt seem like a good deal at all for them  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 10:16 am : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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Denver is nearing trading Monte Morris and Will Barton to Washington in deal for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Ish Smith, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium


and it seems the Pacers over played their hand with Brogdon
Can we consolidate these Knicks threads ?  
TyreeHelmet : 6/29/2022 10:21 am : link
Would you guys do Randle for Brogdon straight up? Or maybe even Indiana adding something?
RE: Can we consolidate these Knicks threads ?  
Mike in NJ : 6/29/2022 10:33 am : link
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Would you guys do Randle for Brogdon straight up? Or maybe even Indiana adding something?


I wouldn’t, it’s pretty clear at this point that Brogdon’s trade value is pretty low. I think there is still some question about what Randle’s value is, but I like the chances of him being able to rehab his value enough in the future as a former All NBA player than I do Brogdon as a guy that is basically a lock to miss 20+ games.
RE: Doesnt seem like a good deal at all for them  
GNewGiants : 6/29/2022 10:36 am : link
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
· 3m
Denver is nearing trading Monte Morris and Will Barton to Washington in deal for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Ish Smith, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium


and it seems the Pacers over played their hand with Brogdon


Denver needs D. I am sure this shed salary too. Plus with Hyman - it made Barton expandable.
RE: Can we consolidate these Knicks threads ?  
AG5686 : 6/29/2022 10:37 am : link
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Would you guys do Randle for Brogdon straight up? Or maybe even Indiana adding something?

good idea...what shall we call the new thread?
RE: RE: Can we consolidate these Knicks threads ?  
Jan in DC : 6/29/2022 11:07 am : link
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Would you guys do Randle for Brogdon straight up? Or maybe even Indiana adding something?


good idea...what shall we call the new thread?


Knicks - Free Agency Thread?
I thought Monte Morris would have more value than that  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 11:09 am : link
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