Here is my question of the day....which of these 3 people will be on the Knicks roster come October 2022??
Mitch Robinson,Julius Randle,Jalen Brunson.....
Will be on the team. I am of the mind that Robinson should not get paid a cent more then 4 years 40 mil and Randle should go elsewhere. Won’t happen though
Already know they are going to overpay Brunson, a good but not great player.
Honestly, if Dejounte Murray is available, they should be trying to move mountains to get him. Much more well-rounded, a proven all star who is really just finding his game.
As an aside, I'd love for a Knicks beat to do some digging & find out what was going on with Randle last season. The dude just looked like he was miserable AF. I kept speculating that perhaps it was something in personal life that we obviously weren't privy to as fans. He was a completely different dude than he was in '20-21, when he was penning an article on The Player's Tribune about how much he loved being a Knick & playing in NYC.
get Jaden Ivey. Some of my anger goes to the Kings. They end up with Kegan Murray...big deal. I suspect between the picks and the players we offered more value than Keegan Murray. Would love to know what we offered which was turned down.
Already know they are going to overpay Brunson, a good but not great player.
Honestly, if Dejounte Murray is available, they should be trying to move mountains to get him. Much more well-rounded, a proven all star who is really just finding his game.
Murray is better at fishing and defending. I'll give you that. Brunson can actually shoot the ball though. You give me that?
Already know they are going to overpay Brunson, a good but not great player.
Honestly, if Dejounte Murray is available, they should be trying to move mountains to get him. Much more well-rounded, a proven all star who is really just finding his game.
Murray is better at fishing and defending. I'll give you that. Brunson can actually shoot the ball though. You give me that?
Sure I’ll give you that. But there is plenty more facets to the game and Murray can still find ways to score. I’m not really even sure Murray is available, but some reports deem it so. Just seems his upside is higher, he’s used to being the primary floor general, and would be a guy I wouldn’t mind spending on. But who knows? Like I said, Brunson may be more realistic because Murray isn’t on the market.
mean this 100% with sincerity and not being a troll, I think it's remarkable how little Leon Rose has done "outside the obvious" and yet remained in the good graces of a famously impatient (rightfully so) fanbase. He may end up a great hire, but his best moves would be....? Which Leon Rose moves have given you great confidence he was a home run hire? And this isn't even a Phil situation where his resume is so huge you get the benefit of the doubt. I 100% mean this, I'm not even saying Leon is bad, I'm just kind of shocked with how he's managed to basically have a free ride (even the media kinda lets him get away with not talking to them outside of a reference here and there)
between Brunson and Murray is the cost to acquire them. Brunson costs money only. Murray costs some ones and some of our young players (Quick, Toppin, Grimes?). Better Brunson with our current roster or Murray with a gutted roster and less future ones?
mean this 100% with sincerity and not being a troll, I think it's remarkable how little Leon Rose has done "outside the obvious" and yet remained in the good graces of a famously impatient (rightfully so) fanbase. He may end up a great hire, but his best moves would be....? Which Leon Rose moves have given you great confidence he was a home run hire? And this isn't even a Phil situation where his resume is so huge you get the benefit of the doubt. I 100% mean this, I'm not even saying Leon is bad, I'm just kind of shocked with how he's managed to basically have a free ride (even the media kinda lets him get away with not talking to them outside of a reference here and there)
No troll in my eyes...I will say the media seems to give him a very hard time about his silence
Truth is he doesn't have many options...he finally has cap space and a bit of draft capital to work with..
Me personally I don't need to hear from a GM...just see results
know truly nothing about this kid D'Shawn Schwartz who is on the summer league team but apparently he was a top 75 HS player in 2017, 40 and 38% from 3 the past 2 seasons
know truly nothing about this kid D'Shawn Schwartz who is on the summer league team but apparently he was a top 75 HS player in 2017, 40 and 38% from 3 the past 2 seasons
Is a full summer league roster available for the Knicks yet? Just seeing this prelim report of expected players -
PLAYER POS DOB LAST TEAM STATUS
Garrison Brooks PF 6/29/1999 Mississippi State (NCAA) Free Agent
Jean Montero PG 7/3/2000 Overtime Elite Free Agent
Micah Potter PF 4/6/1998 Sioux Falls (G League) Free Agent
D'Shawn Schwartz SG 2/15/1999 George Mason (NCAA) Free Agent
mean this 100% with sincerity and not being a troll, I think it's remarkable how little Leon Rose has done "outside the obvious" and yet remained in the good graces of a famously impatient (rightfully so) fanbase. He may end up a great hire, but his best moves would be....? Which Leon Rose moves have given you great confidence he was a home run hire? And this isn't even a Phil situation where his resume is so huge you get the benefit of the doubt. I 100% mean this, I'm not even saying Leon is bad, I'm just kind of shocked with how he's managed to basically have a free ride (even the media kinda lets him get away with not talking to them outside of a reference here and there)
Not giving away #1s for Eddie Curry or Andrea Bargnani goes a long way with the fan base. #ShellShocked
know truly nothing about this kid D'Shawn Schwartz who is on the summer league team but apparently he was a top 75 HS player in 2017, 40 and 38% from 3 the past 2 seasons
looks like he's 23 but just finished at George Mason
isn't a massive "fan" of Brunson's perceived upside. Thinks this is the player he is, which is a solid NBA "table setter", doesn't think he'ss a guy who goes to another team and explodes
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The Clippers, as covered earlier today in my latest around-the-league notes, are expected to mount a strong bid to sign John Wall in free agency once the league opens for business Thursday night at 6 PM ET.
Does Kawhi need someone to sit by him on the bench or something?
would command coming off injury. I like his game, and Cleveland’s backcourt is becoming crowded. Wouldn’t pay top dollar but a guy I could definitely live with on a reasonable deal.
They will win 35 or less. Thibs will be fired. And Rose will be on the hot seat heading into the 23/24 season likely leading to him going as well.
Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.
They will win 35 or less. Thibs will be fired. And Rose will be on the hot seat heading into the 23/24 season likely leading to him going as well.
Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.
In other words business as usual.
certainly possible and I can't tell you you're wrong.
yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish
I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen
Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs
Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space
So what? Doesnt mean thats it the team is final, they have 8 guys under the age of 24, they have flexibikity and plenty of 1sts..
Signing Brunson is just a step in the process, if they win 45 next year and Brunson, Iq, Rj, Obi and Mitch if he is brought back all play well you dont think a star would want to play with them?
They will win 35 or less. Thibs will be fired. And Rose will be on the hot seat heading into the 23/24 season likely leading to him going as well.
Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.
In other words business as usual.
They won 37 last year with no Brunson and Randle playing like absolute crap and Rj having a terrible start to the year
know truly nothing about this kid D'Shawn Schwartz who is on the summer league team but apparently he was a top 75 HS player in 2017, 40 and 38% from 3 the past 2 seasons
yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish
I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen
Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs
Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space
So what? Doesnt mean thats it the team is final, they have 8 guys under the age of 24, they have flexibikity and plenty of 1sts..
Signing Brunson is just a step in the process, if they win 45 next year and Brunson, Iq, Rj, Obi and Mitch if he is brought back all play well you dont think a star would want to play with them?
What do you think OBI and quick are going to be worth after another year locked to the bench and getting 12-15 minutes a night?
The starting 5 will be Brunson, RJ, Randle, Fournier and Mitch and Thibs is going to run them 35 -40 minutes a night and no one is going to sign up for that group.
So your 41 wins gets you an 8th seed and a early out in the playoffs.
I am holding out hope after the FA opening sprint shakes out, someone talks themselves into Randle. Maybe CHA loses Bridges and views JR as a replacement on a reasonable contract relative to what Bridges gets from someone like the Pistons. Maybe Dallas talks themselves into him as the best they can do in a JB sign and trade. Maybe Phoenix looks at him if they lose Ayton. Just something popping up.
I am holding out hope after the FA opening sprint shakes out, someone talks themselves into Randle. Maybe CHA loses Bridges and views JR as a replacement on a reasonable contract relative to what Bridges gets from someone like the Pistons. Maybe Dallas talks themselves into him as the best they can do in a JB sign and trade. Maybe Phoenix looks at him if they lose Ayton. Just something popping up.
I feel like that is the most likely scenario. There aren’t many big name free agents available this off-season so hopefully one of the teams that “strikes out” talks themselves into trading for him rather than standing pat and doing nothing.
"According to people in touch with the organization after the NBA draft, some with the Knicks have legitimate optimism about their chances of landing Brunson."
yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish
I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen
Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs
Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space
So what? Doesnt mean thats it the team is final, they have 8 guys under the age of 24, they have flexibikity and plenty of 1sts..
Signing Brunson is just a step in the process, if they win 45 next year and Brunson, Iq, Rj, Obi and Mitch if he is brought back all play well you dont think a star would want to play with them?
Exactly!!!plus our team is seriously lacking a healthy PG.
Remember how well we played last year with Derrick Rose?
mean this 100% with sincerity and not being a troll, I think it's remarkable how little Leon Rose has done "outside the obvious" and yet remained in the good graces of a famously impatient (rightfully so) fanbase. He may end up a great hire, but his best moves would be....? Which Leon Rose moves have given you great confidence he was a home run hire? And this isn't even a Phil situation where his resume is so huge you get the benefit of the doubt. I 100% mean this, I'm not even saying Leon is bad, I'm just kind of shocked with how he's managed to basically have a free ride (even the media kinda lets him get away with not talking to them outside of a reference here and there)
It's because all the moves he's made have been short term and low risk. That and he's had small wins in the draft where the fanbase has seen flashes of brilliance, but a thorough evaluation of the young players hasn't been possible because of the coach that Rose hired. Not to mention the accumulating assets is basically a net neutral until a move is made with them.
It’s remarkable how screwed up of a job management has done there. The Westbrook trade not only killed them on the court, it has prevented them from reallly making any trades of impact. Unless something unexpected happens, they’ll have no shot to contend with that roster next season as well. Could go down as one of the worst trades in recent history.
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
I want them to move Randle to open time for Obi in the starting lineup. But Brunson is a huge upgrade over Kemba and PG Alec Burks. Even if the rest of the team is the same, it's a pretty decent improvement.
I feel pretty confident that there's other moves to come this week. We will see
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
If they are in fact looking at a sign and trade with Dallas for Brunson, some of those guys you mentioned will have to be a part of that, I would think
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
I want them to move Randle to open time for Obi in the starting lineup. But Brunson is a huge upgrade over Kemba and PG Alec Burks. Even if the rest of the team is the same, it's a pretty decent improvement.
I feel pretty confident that there's other moves to come this week. We will see
Its a decent improvement not saying its not, i just want Brunson, Iq, Rj and Obi the main cogs of the team and see where we are at at the end of the year
They will win 35 or less. Thibs will be fired. And Rose will be on the hot seat heading into the 23/24 season likely leading to him going as well.
Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.
In other words business as usual.
They got nothing from Randle all year and nothing from RJ until like February. Rose barely played. Grimes didn't break into the starting lineup until late.
I don't see how they'd go backwards like you're saying.
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
My advice would be to stay patient. I think it makes more sense to start the season with Randle for a few reasons. First off, was Obi's finish to the season real? Was it because a lot of the games weren't competitive or did something click? Its an unknown. Secondly, Randles trade value is at it's lowest right now. I think he has an opportunity to improve that and would be a valuable asset after the season has begun to another team that needs a scoring option.
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
My advice would be to stay patient. I think it makes more sense to start the season with Randle for a few reasons. First off, was Obi's finish to the season real? Was it because a lot of the games weren't competitive or did something click? Its an unknown. Secondly, Randles trade value is at it's lowest right now. I think he has an opportunity to improve that and would be a valuable asset after the season has begun to another team that needs a scoring option.
I agree, i think with Obi though we saw glimpses of it all year, we just didnt see it for bigger minutes, thibs rolled with Randle for 35 regardless of how bad he played..
They were games Obi had 10 to 12 points in 14 minutes, if he got the minutes we see more from him
supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
I agree. The only way I want to just add Brunson and run it back is if we really think Randle's downturn is a blip. I really can't believe it is, because he was so toxic. But if he returned to his previous form, the form we locked into a contract, he's a better player than Obi is right now. Seems so unlikely that he'll do that though because he was so negative. Send him packing and let Obi get 35+ a game and let's see what he can do. Randle is super talented and skilled but Obi's effort level is basically unmatched on the team. It makes him so easy to root for.
If Randles on the team, Thibs will play him 35 + a night. Can't do it. Not again.
We heard the Knicks were trying for Ivey and Brunson, i still think they want to upgrade the 2 guard position, Fournier is fine but he is a 6th man
Agreed, Fournier coming off the bench with the 2nd team would be idea. Maybe they see Grimes as that 3 and D two guard? Or maybe they try and deal for another guard to pair with Brunson (assuming we even land him).
Either way, two of Noel, Burks, Rose or Randle need to go. I also would love to move Cam Reddish for an asset, I think he has no place on this team. He is not a good basketball player
supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
He was referring to some Boston reporter's report but that was never going to happen. Burks on the other hand makes much more sense for Boston
supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
yeah - that makes sense given Boston chose not to retain fournier last year at that number, lol. But they do need to improve their roster somehow and Burks checks some boxes for them, won't cost much to obtain, and is only under contract for the coming season.
supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
He was referring to some Boston reporter's report but that was never going to happen. Burks on the other hand makes much more sense for Boston
Agree 100%. I think he'd be nice for them as another guy who can handle the ball and score some on low usage. Burks definitely has the most value of vets we'd be looking to move for cap space.
Interestingly, an insider close to the situation says that the Spurs have multiple teams making a strong push for Murray besides the Hawks. One Eastern Conference team, he says, is offering three first round draft picks and a desirable young player in a proposed swap. He also stated that the Minnesota Timberwolves have expressed serious interest in Murray.
Same writer says the Spurs asking price is 4 first round picks with little to no protection, not 3 as initially reported. Link - ( New Window )
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Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers
go get Brunson AND Ayton!
I think this one is just to give Sims a contract and give him the backup role. I might get talked into taking a chance on Ayton though. The way that ended is a huge red flag, however.
Makes the most sense to me
Especially since there are no blockbuster FA out there...besides we don't have enough for a big splash anyway...
Randle will be here..Mitch not Brunson prolly not...so we try to get a serviceable PG and C via trades...
Meanwhile let's see how real Obi and IQs end of the season was..
interest in Burks and Noel to basically say hey Mavs do a sign and trade or we will trade these 2 and just sign Brunson outright
I think they may want to dump both. That way they can structure the Brunson contract in a way that declines annually (a Brock Aller special) and open up more minutes for some of the younger guys.
RE: Not sure how legit this is but figured I'd share
Interestingly, an insider close to the situation says that the Spurs have multiple teams making a strong push for Murray besides the Hawks. One Eastern Conference team, he says, is offering three first round draft picks and a desirable young player in a proposed swap. He also stated that the Minnesota Timberwolves have expressed serious interest in Murray.
Same writer says the Spurs asking price is 4 first round picks with little to no protection, not 3 as initially reported. Link - ( New Window )
In full: San Antonio’s asking price for Murray is four first round draft picks with little to no protections. Alternatively, the Spurs want three minimally protected first rounders and two unprotected first round pick swaps.
It’s remarkable how screwed up of a job management has done there. The Westbrook trade not only killed them on the court, it has prevented them from reallly making any trades of impact. Unless something unexpected happens, they’ll have no shot to contend with that roster next season as well. Could go down as one of the worst trades in recent history.
They're already in luxury tax territory with only 8 players under contract. They're bad, and right now have no way of getting better. Even John Wall scoffed at them.
I think the Knicks need to move on from Noel and Burks.
I love D. Rose but if you can move him I think you do. Thibs will play him 25-30 minutes if he is on the roster
We need to really find out what Quickley and McBride are capable of and they need minutes.
Grimes will get minutes just because we don't have depth at the wing/2 to keep him on the bench.
Makes the most sense but you have to take back assets that might not like and maybe give up a pick but he would want to go home.
The pods have scenarios where this can happen.
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Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers
go get Brunson AND Ayton!
That would be a home run off season, especially if they can find a new home for Randle. How fun would a lineup of Ayton, Toppin, Barrett, Grimes, Brunson be? I don’t know if that team gets out of the first round but id sure as hell enjoy watching them.
4 lightly protected firsts is a ton. Im a big Murray fan, but id need to know the protections. Like by that statement our extra acquired picks wouldnt be of little interest to them. Id happily give them all 3 of those with one of ours with like top 3 protections, but im not sure who the young player would be. Knowing the Knicks it would be Obi and i dont like that.
Makes the most sense but you have to take back assets that might not like and maybe give up a pick but he would want to go home.
The pods have scenarios where this can happen.
Don't see this happening. I think getting locked into that Randle contract without knowing which version you're going to get isn't feasible without the Knicks parting with multiple firsts. In the Dallas scenario they'd have to take back THJ or Bertans which is probably not the best idea.
but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.
between Brunson and Murray is the cost to acquire them. Brunson costs money only. Murray costs some ones and some of our young players (Quick, Toppin, Grimes?). Better Brunson with our current roster or Murray with a gutted roster and less future ones?
This. Very important consideration IMV. The Knicks have been stockpiling assets, apparently with the idea of using them to acquire a superstar, either by trading up in the draft or by trade. Is Murray the superstar you spend those assets on? I don't think so. You get Murray and you still need that superstar. Is Brunson that superstar? Of course not, but you don't need to empty the cupboard to get him.
Re the OP: I think Randle's value is down right now; the Knicks would be selling low. I don't think they will do that. I think they'll bet on him having enough of a bounce-back season to maybe trade him mid-season. I think odds are better than 50-50 that Brunson ends up on the Knicks, maybe through a sign-and-trade where NY gives up some surplus players, like Noel and Reddish. (I think I saw that the money would work with that combination.) Mitch? Who knows? I think Mitch was a great value as a 2nd-round pick and a terrific #2 center but he's not showing much growth in his offensive game, and that's going to hold him back, both on the court and in terms of getting a big contract. He's a bit better at staying out of foul trouble but his offensive game is so limited...
Will be on the team. I am of the mind that Robinson should not get paid a cent more then 4 years 40 mil and Randle should go elsewhere. Won’t happen though
Agreed all three will be on the roster. And their future is at best, a one and down playoff team.
but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.
Max deal for Ayton would be 4/131 so a little less than 35 per. Still a ton of money. I like that he's still very young (even though he looks like he's 40). You would think most teams would have maxed him already but the Suns are notoriously cheap. He's certainly not a super star, but he still has room to grow and his age/timeline matches up with a few of our guys.
Will be on the team. I am of the mind that Robinson should not get paid a cent more then 4 years 40 mil and Randle should go elsewhere. Won’t happen though
Agreed all three will be on the roster. And their future is at best, a one and down playoff team.
Who cares if they are a one and down playoff team this year? Nobody is expecting them to contend this year no matter what moves they make. That doesn’t mean you continue to sit on your hands and do nothing, adding Brunson improved the team and retains flexibility to continue to improve before the deadline or next offseason.
where we can move randle without attaching assets to him, shit maybe even get back an asset, but i cant see it. Teams will see what we see, 1 good year and then back to closer to his career norms.
I do think he makes sense for DAL. They dont lose Brunson for nothing, Randle doesnt make some absurd amount of money, and even last years randle is probably the Mavs second best player. That roster is luka and a bunch of junk.
I don't totally understand BYC but I think because the Knicks are under the cap, that might be a workaround?
So, based on my very very limited understanding, the salaries have to match unless the team taking on more money is under the cap. If you were to do a Randle for Brunson trade, NY would be sending out about $26m in salary, and Brunson's would be about $13 or so (if his contract was $26 a year) so it would be important that the Mavs were under the cap because they'd be taking additional salary in the deal.
Not sure if that made sense, but I think that's right.
but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.
Yes, Embiid can be the best player on a championship team, his biggest issue has always been health. If you knew Ayton would be as good as Embiid, $35M is a steal, I just have y doubts that Ayton will be THAT good.
but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.
Yes, Embiid can be the best player on a championship team, his biggest issue has always been health. If you knew Ayton would be as good as Embiid, $35M is a steal, I just have y doubts that Ayton will be THAT good.
I said he is Embiid lite....not embiid. If he was embiid id have no problem paying him.
People in the front office view Brunson as a valuable piece that will move the Knivks forward but not franchise altering, believes more moves are coming on top of Brunson..
Said he is not sure if Knicks have talked to spurs but scouts have told him they view Brunson and Murray a good fit together
the knicks have inquired with other teams about Julius Randle trades
Not sure if you just saw this on twitter or listened to it but worth mentioning he made it clear that this was just to gauge what his value was around the league and the Knicks do this with most of their players (also pointed out that it's something that all competent organizations do)
Dallas can be frustrated all they want but if I were them, I would be frustrated I could have signed JB for 4/55 and chose not to in the name of flexibility for something that never happened.
Dallas can be frustrated all they want but if I were them, I would be frustrated I could have signed JB for 4/55 and chose not to in the name of flexibility for something that never happened.
So true! They made their own bed and if Brunson signs here have to lie in it
but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.
Yes, Embiid can be the best player on a championship team, his biggest issue has always been health. If you knew Ayton would be as good as Embiid, $35M is a steal, I just have y doubts that Ayton will be THAT good.
I said he is Embiid lite....not embiid. If he was embiid id have no problem paying him.
Totally missed that, although I'd put Ayton at Embiid-super lite.
Begley said Knicks considering converting Sims to full deal and sign
Shams Charania
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Bryant stays and it looks like Ainge went with someone he knew
Burks would be a good fit for the C's and if the Knicks don't need to give up anything, it could work for everyone. The Knicks definitely benefit from only needing to get rid of one of Burks/Noel so they can just take the first good offer.
At what point do they bow to the obvious and negotiate a S&T with the Knicks. Given the context, Burks going back beats the alternative of nothing. Of course at this point, that might cost them something. I would ask them to remove the protections on this years pick or go from top 10 to top 4 - basically role the dice Luka sprains an ankle or something.
says the Mavs are resigned to the fact they will be losing Brunson.
Lowe said on his podcast that execs he's spoken with have said they think the Mavs would need to outbid the Knicks by $5M/year to keep Brunson and then there was this from a Dallas media guy
Kevin Turner
@ktfuntweets
"I think it's a 99% chance that Jalen Brunson ends up with the Knicks"- @skinwadea few minutes ago on @BenandSkin on 97.1 The Eagle @theeagledallas
Certainly seems like things are falling into place
At what point do they bow to the obvious and negotiate a S&T with the Knicks. Given the context, Burks going back beats the alternative of nothing. Of course at this point, that might cost them something. I would ask them to remove the protections on this years pick or go from top 10 to top 4 - basically role the dice Luka sprains an ankle or something.
They probably are already (or will soon) but if it were to get out the league probably dock the Knicks a second round pick which is what happened when the Bucks did that with the Kings and Bogdanovic two years ago
Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”
Then states that he heard from multiple sources that Dallas was very angry that Leon, Wes, and Julius showed up to their playoff game vs Utah.
Well boo fucking hoooo...
The NBA has been trolling the Knicks (literally) for 20 years now. IF I am the Knicks I am doing anything and everything dirty but legal to gain talent. The NBA can fuck the hell off...twice.
Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
At this point, it's widely anticipated that Jalen Brunson will go to the Knicks on a four-year deal in excess of $100M. It remains to be seen how New York will clear the rest of the necessary cap space and whether the Mavs can work a sign-and-trade to recoup assets.
With all the reports today this seems like one of those FA deals
done deals leaking out that'll happen as soon as the window opens a la Lonzo last year
Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
At this point, it's widely anticipated that Jalen Brunson will go to the Knicks on a four-year deal in excess of $100M. It remains to be seen how New York will clear the rest of the necessary cap space and whether the Mavs can work a sign-and-trade to recoup assets.
reporting the Brunson deal is reportedly "more than" 100 over 4. Not even knocking Brunson, but damn is he getting paid... "more than" 25 million per season.
reporting the Brunson deal is reportedly "more than" 100 over 4. Not even knocking Brunson, but damn is he getting paid... "more than" 25 million per season.
I read somewhere its possible Knicks do a descelated deal
tim cato
@tim_cato
i'll add to the chorus: the Mavericks have had a belief for at least the past couple weeks, multiple sources tell me, that Jalen Brunson would sign with the Knicks. at this point, it's seen as a certainty.
Brunson really does sign with us, the one pick I would be hesitant to trade is the Mavericks pick. If like we’re to miss any significant time that could be a top of the lottery pick
Brunson really does sign with us, the one pick I would be hesitant to trade is the Mavericks pick. If like we’re to miss any significant time that could be a top of the lottery pick
Brunson really does sign with us, the one pick I would be hesitant to trade is the Mavericks pick. If like we’re to miss any significant time that could be a top of the lottery pick
It's top 10 protected but I think it's possible as part of a sign and trade the Mavs remove the protections on it. With the protections now, it's challenging for them to make deals involving 1st rounders given the uncertainty. Removing the protections would give them more flexibility to replace Brunson's production.
Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”
Then states that he heard from multiple sources that Dallas was very angry that Leon, Wes, and Julius showed up to their playoff game vs Utah.
Well boo fucking hoooo...
The NBA has been trolling the Knicks (literally) for 20 years now. IF I am the Knicks I am doing anything and everything dirty but legal to gain talent. The NBA can fuck the hell off...twice.
Brunson really does sign with us, the one pick I would be hesitant to trade is the Mavericks pick. If like we’re to miss any significant time that could be a top of the lottery pick
It's top 10 protected but I think it's possible as part of a sign and trade the Mavs remove the protections on it. With the protections now, it's challenging for them to make deals involving 1st rounders given the uncertainty. Removing the protections would give them more flexibility to replace Brunson's production.
That’s my bad then. I didn’t think it was protected
Brunson is a starting caliber player on a good team. We need those. Are we paying for it, sure, but this does feel like a solid deal. We see 25 per and its sticker shock, but the stars are making 40 mill now.
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"Teams do not think Jalen Brunson is the last move for the Knicks. Opposing teams see Brunson and Dejounte Murray as an attractive fit in the backcourt."
read the actual piece there is no real indication they are even considering that at all.
"As far as adding another player, New York would have the draft capital to put together a package for San Antonio’s Spurs' Dejounte Murray. According to Bleacher Report, the Atlanta Hawks and Spurs have had talks surrounding Murray. I don’t know if the Knicks have touched base with San Antonio, but rival executives see Murray and Brunson as a strong fit, for what it’s worth. "
Opposing teams believe Knicks are not done and Brunson is just the first move, also says opposing teams say they think a Murray and Brunson backcourt would be a good fit..
I agree it would be a good fit but i dont see how that would fit with Rj
read the actual piece there is no real indication they are even considering that at all.
"As far as adding another player, New York would have the draft capital to put together a package for San Antonio’s Spurs' Dejounte Murray. According to Bleacher Report, the Atlanta Hawks and Spurs have had talks surrounding Murray. I don’t know if the Knicks have touched base with San Antonio, but rival executives see Murray and Brunson as a strong fit, for what it’s worth. "
They could be that mystery Eastern Conference team reported earlier today but I'm skeptical too. It just doesn't seem like a Leon and Co. move to go all in on Brunson and Murray vs keeping your draft powder dry for a Donovan Mitchell or another superstar who could become available in the next year or so. But who knows, they haven't made enough bigger moves to really gauge their thought processes.
Comment by Mike Francessa on Twiiter. I totally agree.
and a star comes on the market that we feel is better it would open you up to be able to include Murray, or brunson, or even RJ. Yes those guys would come with be contracts (although Murray not for another year) but they could have value to a team who has a star forcing there way out but dont want to blow it up completely. And even if you traded 3-4 firsts for Murray we would still have a bunch of firsts.
Im clearly a murray fan, its a high cost, but i like the idea of adding brunson and Murray. Its def more talent, but is there enough shooting.
and a star comes on the market that we feel is better it would open you up to be able to include Murray, or brunson, or even RJ. Yes those guys would come with be contracts (although Murray not for another year) but they could have value to a team who has a star forcing there way out but dont want to blow it up completely. And even if you traded 3-4 firsts for Murray we would still have a bunch of firsts.
Im clearly a murray fan, its a high cost, but i like the idea of adding brunson and Murray. Its def more talent, but is there enough shooting.
Eh, I am not sure how I feel with a Murray and Brunson duo. Murray just does not shoot well enough. With Randle and RJ being inconsistant shooters I could see us losing a lot of winnable games if they are off
Opposing teams believe Knicks are not done and Brunson is just the first move, also says opposing teams say they think a Murray and Brunson backcourt would be a good fit..
I agree it would be a good fit but i dont see how that would fit with Rj
The ground work for Mitchell it might not be next season but I feel that's a match that will happen kinda like Melo was rumored for 2+ years before it happened.
He wants to be here, works out here, lives her in the off-season.
Hangs with the young Knicks and is loved in the city.
It's a numbers game and a Utah not having egg on their face.
and a star comes on the market that we feel is better it would open you up to be able to include Murray, or brunson, or even RJ. Yes those guys would come with be contracts (although Murray not for another year) but they could have value to a team who has a star forcing there way out but dont want to blow it up completely. And even if you traded 3-4 firsts for Murray we would still have a bunch of firsts.
Im clearly a murray fan, its a high cost, but i like the idea of adding brunson and Murray. Its def more talent, but is there enough shooting.
I would imagine though SA would want the Knicks' picks vs other picks they have. If you're also offering pick swaps, any package you can put together for say Donovan Mitchell isn't going to be all that strong.
and a star comes on the market that we feel is better it would open you up to be able to include Murray, or brunson, or even RJ. Yes those guys would come with be contracts (although Murray not for another year) but they could have value to a team who has a star forcing there way out but dont want to blow it up completely. And even if you traded 3-4 firsts for Murray we would still have a bunch of firsts.
Im clearly a murray fan, its a high cost, but i like the idea of adding brunson and Murray. Its def more talent, but is there enough shooting.
I would imagine though SA would want the Knicks' picks vs other picks they have. If you're also offering pick swaps, any package you can put together for say Donovan Mitchell isn't going to be all that strong.
Rumor was three firsts gets Murray. If we're trading Rose he's worth something too.
Rumor was three firsts gets Murray. If we're trading Rose he's worth something too.
Word today was that they want 4 firsts with light to no protections and pick swaps. The three first thing came from Jake Fischer saying they were looking for a package similar to what Jrue Holiday was dealt for and people just ran with it as if he said they want exactly what Holiday was dealt for.
Rumor was three firsts gets Murray. If we're trading Rose he's worth something too.
Word today was that they want 4 firsts with light to no protections and pick swaps. The three first thing came from Jake Fischer saying they were looking for a package similar to what Jrue Holiday was dealt for and people just ran with it as if he said they want exactly what Holiday was dealt for.
Thanks. Didn't see that update. I'd love to land both him and Brunson. I'd worry about landing Mitchell when that time comes. Maybe some of our guys will turn into better assets (Fournier/Randle) by then.
The pistons pick is top 18 protected for the next 2 years which is a stretch to hit
Washington is top 14 for 2 years definitely possible
Bucks is a 25' top 4 protected.
Knicks would need to include their own firsts unprotected in any big deals. Plus the protected they got.
That can get a Mitchell plus young players.
If Murray or Brunson can be part of a deal to get you Mitchell that helps but I would assume Utah wouldn't want a max/near player if they go rebuild.
The pistons pick is top 18 protected for the next 2 years which is a stretch to hit
Washington is top 14 for 2 years definitely possible
Bucks is a 25' top 4 protected.
Knicks would need to include their own firsts unprotected in any big deals. Plus the protected they got.
That can get a Mitchell plus young players.
If Murray or Brunson can be part of a deal to get you Mitchell that helps but I would assume Utah wouldn't want a max/near player if they go rebuild.
Wouldn't they need to match salary? How would they do that without a big contract?
The pistons pick is top 18 protected for the next 2 years which is a stretch to hit
Washington is top 14 for 2 years definitely possible
Bucks is a 25' top 4 protected.
Knicks would need to include their own firsts unprotected in any big deals. Plus the protected they got.
That can get a Mitchell plus young players.
If Murray or Brunson can be part of a deal to get you Mitchell that helps but I would assume Utah wouldn't want a max/near player if they go rebuild.
Wouldn't they need to match salary? How would they do that without a big contract?
Absolutely thought that was a given. I am talking assets that would close the deal.
That's why the small deals to Noel, Burks, Rose, Kemba and to a lesser extent Fournier are and we're important. We gave that up now for Brunson which would probably have to be in a deal or RJ.
There’s definitely some truth to the smoke on Murray
“ The Knicks are trading center Nerlens Noel and guard Alec Burks to the Pistons, sources tell ESPN. The Knicks will unload $19M more in salary, clearing the way for cap space to try and sign free agent guard Jalen Brunson.”
Fuck no. And I like Murray. That's highway robbery for him. This isn't a first team All NBA player we're talking about.
Eh, if they make the playoffs what are those picks really? Just put on some protections and I’d probably make that trade. The Knicks just thought so little of the 11th pick that they moved it in part to dump salary.
“ The Knicks are trading center Nerlens Noel and guard Alec Burks to the Pistons, sources tell ESPN. The Knicks will unload $19M more in salary, clearing the way for cap space to try and sign free agent guard Jalen Brunson.”
continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.
The Knicks have been accumulating seconds on the cheap every offseason to be able to do stuff like this. I’d rather they admit they made a mistake a year in then live in denial and hope and pray that eventually they’re redeemed.
Signings as much as anyone. I was furious, but I don’t give a F about the 2nds. They have so many seconds. Happy that Boston and clippers don’t get Burks or Noel
How much cap space do we have now, when we release Gibson will we be at $36 million? Are we giving all of that to Brunson, I hope not. Maybe Boston will take Fournier and 2 seconds for their trade exception
How much cap space do we have now, when we release Gibson will we be at $36 million? Are we giving all of that to Brunson, I hope not. Maybe Boston will take Fournier and 2 seconds for their trade exception
2024 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to New York (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or New York will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]
“ Knicks also could operate as "over cap team" and retain full non-taxpayer MLE if Kemba, Burks, Noel lumped into one big 3-way sign-and-trade with Dallas for Brunson. Looks like Knicks could even start Brunson at $24.25M or less and generate a $9.2M TPE for Kemba.”
How much cap space do we have now, when we release Gibson will we be at $36 million? Are we giving all of that to Brunson, I hope not. Maybe Boston will take Fournier and 2 seconds for their trade exception
How much cap space do we have now, when we release Gibson will we be at $36 million? Are we giving all of that to Brunson, I hope not. Maybe Boston will take Fournier and 2 seconds for their trade exception
No, i am sure there is more coming
Knicks are offering 4 yr $100MM to brunson
Yeah and Knicks opened up close to 38 million if they release Taj
He's covering up his mistakes from last year. He's the one who signed Kemba, Burks and Noel and is now trading away assets to make up for those signings.
Who's to say we won't be in the same boat this time next year?
He's covering up his mistakes from last year. He's the one who signed Kemba, Burks and Noel and is now trading away assets to make up for those signings.
Who's to say we won't be in the same boat this time next year?
Burks was a solid player for us..sad to see him go
Noel.was fantastic during the playoffs...injuries made him expendable
Kemba was just a bad move...only out I give Rose was we needed a PG and Kemba was the only one available...
But his contract wasn't bad
We are in a much much much better place now than last year
The man has cleared $30plus million in cap space...
Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
When free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources tell @YahooSports.
But I guess it would be costly to trade him. They should definitely waive Gibson.
And I still hope we trade Randle. And at this point, what is Reddish's value? If it's that low, we might as well keep him and see if he can improve.
Fournier was a big disappointment...but he played lights out in the Olympics right before we signed him...last year not so much
Cam got hurt...lets see with him
Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
When free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources tell @YahooSports.
I bet it winds up being 4 for $100M with $10M in very difficult to achieve bonuses
Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
When free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources tell @YahooSports.
Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
Fournier has 1 yr left..I hope we get Brunson and Murray
U down with that backcourt??
Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
You realize like half the league is CAA right?
you also realize Brunson will be the 14th highest paid PG in the NBA? 25 million a year is nothing for a atarting PG in todays NBA
Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
You realize like half the league is CAA right?
you also realize Brunson will be the 14th highest paid PG in the NBA? 25 million a year is nothing for a atarting PG in todays NBA
Especially for position we so desperately need...he is a rising star
Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
You realize like half the league is CAA right?
you also realize Brunson will be the 14th highest paid PG in the NBA? 25 million a year is nothing for a atarting PG in todays NBA
Oh I get it and he is not a top half PG for 27.5 million and doesn't make this team more than 4 or 5 games better.
Not a difference maker at all and everyone is expecting a big leap which I don't see happening.
Enjoy your moment I just don't see.
If we could pair up Brunson and Murray in the backcourt
That could potentially be the best backcourt we've had since Clyde and Pearl, and Murray defends 1's too. I tend to disagree with holding out for and waiting around for Mitchell or some other star to finally shake loose. If Murray is truly gettable, I'd go all in with the draft capital (at least 2 of them will have to be our picks). If you keep RJ, and Obi than that's a nice rotation. How long are we supposed to sit around waiting for a star to shake loose? Murray is up and coming and we don't even have to pay him the mega bucks for this season and next.
Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
You realize like half the league is CAA right?
you also realize Brunson will be the 14th highest paid PG in the NBA? 25 million a year is nothing for a atarting PG in todays NBA
Oh I get it and he is not a top half PG for 27.5 million and doesn't make this team more than 4 or 5 games better.
Not a difference maker at all and everyone is expecting a big leap which I don't see happening.
Enjoy your moment I just don't see.
I think you're fooling yourself if you don't think a legitimate starting PG doesn't make the team 4-5 games better. It's not a coincidence that Randle had his big year playing off Rose at PG.
It's also not a coincidence that Rose missed 60 games and the Knicks were significantly worse off for it. And this is late career running on fumes, shouldn't be playing starter minutes Rose.
Knicks are not done, still shopping Fournier and Reddish, they are also looking to add on top of adding Brunson, said there were rumblings around the league about Knicks and Murray but wasnt sure about the fit since Brunson is coming to the Knicks to be the makn ball handler...
Also said Mitch is expected back 4 years 60 million, i would guess some of that is incentives
If he signs with Knicks
Brunson will be a significant improvement at PG for Knicks. He has really improved the last couple of years for the Mavs. He was a baller in playoffs this season.
do the Knicks work with the Mavs on a sign and trade? Do the mavs take on some salary or do they want just a trade exception? If it is just a trade exception, i am asking for them to remove the protections off the 23 pick
do the Knicks work with the Mavs on a sign and trade? Do the mavs take on some salary or do they want just a trade exception? If it is just a trade exception, i am asking for them to remove the protections off the 23 pick
Honestly if I am Dallas, I’d strongly consider bringing back Fournier in a sign and trade. As time goes on that contract gets easier for them to flip for something else, and at least you’re getting a solid player rather then losing Brunson for nothing while as a luxury tax team basically not being able to do anything to replace him. As a guy that made a high number of 3s on pretty good percentages, Fournier is certainly overpaid, but still a solid player.
do the Knicks work with the Mavs on a sign and trade? Do the mavs take on some salary or do they want just a trade exception? If it is just a trade exception, i am asking for them to remove the protections off the 23 pick
Honestly if I am Dallas, I’d strongly consider bringing back Fournier in a sign and trade. As time goes on that contract gets easier for them to flip for something else, and at least you’re getting a solid player rather then losing Brunson for nothing while as a luxury tax team basically not being able to do anything to replace him. As a guy that made a high number of 3s on pretty good percentages, Fournier is certainly overpaid, but still a solid player.
They can have Fournier...Ill even throw in a free milk bone
Knicks are not done, still shopping Fournier and Reddish, they are also looking to add on top of adding Brunson, said there were rumblings around the league about Knicks and Murray but wasnt sure about the fit since Brunson is coming to the Knicks to be the makn ball handler...
Also said Mitch is expected back 4 years 60 million, i would guess some of that is incentives
I get the sentiment there but Murray is nowhere near as ball dominant as Luka is. His usage was a career high last year but still pales in comparison to Luka’s and was more so by necessity than anything else
I would not at all be surprised if the Brunson contract is descending, which would mean it starts at 29 if the total is 4/110. Also the KFS guys mentioned this could be a positive for both sides if JB ends up with a player option on the last year.
As for Mitch, 4/60 sounds like a big overpay to me. That said, we need to remember to wait until details come out for everything based on how last year went. I can see it being announced 4/60 with 10 in unlikely bonuses and the last year non-guaranteed, so it really ends up being more like 3/36.
I would not at all be surprised if the Brunson contract is descending, which would mean it starts at 29 if the total is 4/110. Also the KFS guys mentioned this could be a positive for both sides if JB ends up with a player option on the last year.
I agree that it’ll probably be descending. I mentioned this above but I also think it’s likely to be 4 for $100M with $10M in incentives that are essentially unreachable. The media will report the sticker price which is what CAA wants but it’ll really be 4 for $100M. Just a hunch
Shams Charania
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Denver is nearing trading Monte Morris and Will Barton to Washington in deal for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Ish Smith, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium
and it seems the Pacers over played their hand with Brogdon
Would you guys do Randle for Brogdon straight up? Or maybe even Indiana adding something?
I wouldn’t, it’s pretty clear at this point that Brogdon’s trade value is pretty low. I think there is still some question about what Randle’s value is, but I like the chances of him being able to rehab his value enough in the future as a former All NBA player than I do Brogdon as a guy that is basically a lock to miss 20+ games.
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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Denver is nearing trading Monte Morris and Will Barton to Washington in deal for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Ish Smith, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium
and it seems the Pacers over played their hand with Brogdon
Denver needs D. I am sure this shed salary too. Plus with Hyman - it made Barton expandable.
Honestly, if Dejounte Murray is available, they should be trying to move mountains to get him. Much more well-rounded, a proven all star who is really just finding his game.
That’s a bad off-season if all 3 are on the team.
Just a bizarre situation.
Honestly, if Dejounte Murray is available, they should be trying to move mountains to get him. Much more well-rounded, a proven all star who is really just finding his game.
Murray is better at fishing and defending. I'll give you that. Brunson can actually shoot the ball though. You give me that?
Swishing annnnd Dishing
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Already know they are going to overpay Brunson, a good but not great player.
Honestly, if Dejounte Murray is available, they should be trying to move mountains to get him. Much more well-rounded, a proven all star who is really just finding his game.
Murray is better at fishing and defending. I'll give you that. Brunson can actually shoot the ball though. You give me that?
Sure I’ll give you that. But there is plenty more facets to the game and Murray can still find ways to score. I’m not really even sure Murray is available, but some reports deem it so. Just seems his upside is higher, he’s used to being the primary floor general, and would be a guy I wouldn’t mind spending on. But who knows? Like I said, Brunson may be more realistic because Murray isn’t on the market.
Who I want to be on the team: Brunson
Thank you for starting this thread. The other Knick thread was on its ninth or tenth page!
Who I want to be on the team: Brunson
Thank you for starting this thread. The other Knick thread was on its ninth or tenth page!
Either way you don't see Mitch as a Knick...
I tend to agree
No troll in my eyes...I will say the media seems to give him a very hard time about his silence
Truth is he doesn't have many options...he finally has cap space and a bit of draft capital to work with..
Me personally I don't need to hear from a GM...just see results
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Is a full summer league roster available for the Knicks yet? Just seeing this prelim report of expected players -
PLAYER POS DOB LAST TEAM STATUS
Garrison Brooks PF 6/29/1999 Mississippi State (NCAA) Free Agent
Jean Montero PG 7/3/2000 Overtime Elite Free Agent
Micah Potter PF 4/6/1998 Sioux Falls (G League) Free Agent
D'Shawn Schwartz SG 2/15/1999 George Mason (NCAA) Free Agent
Not giving away #1s for Eddie Curry or Andrea Bargnani goes a long way with the fan base. #ShellShocked
looks like he's 23 but just finished at George Mason
-Says Murray to Atlanta is pretty close
Yeah listening to it now
@ChrisBHaynes
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Five-time NBA All-Star John Wall will secure a buyout with the Houston Rockets and become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell
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I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish
I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen
Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs
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Does Kawhi need someone to sit by him on the bench or something?
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish
I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen
Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs
Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space
Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.
In other words business as usual.
Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.
In other words business as usual.
certainly possible and I can't tell you you're wrong.
but I hope not
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish
I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen
Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs
Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space
So what? Doesnt mean thats it the team is final, they have 8 guys under the age of 24, they have flexibikity and plenty of 1sts..
Signing Brunson is just a step in the process, if they win 45 next year and Brunson, Iq, Rj, Obi and Mitch if he is brought back all play well you dont think a star would want to play with them?
Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.
In other words business as usual.
They won 37 last year with no Brunson and Randle playing like absolute crap and Rj having a terrible start to the year
A landsman???
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish
I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen
Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs
Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space
So what? Doesnt mean thats it the team is final, they have 8 guys under the age of 24, they have flexibikity and plenty of 1sts..
Signing Brunson is just a step in the process, if they win 45 next year and Brunson, Iq, Rj, Obi and Mitch if he is brought back all play well you dont think a star would want to play with them?
What do you think OBI and quick are going to be worth after another year locked to the bench and getting 12-15 minutes a night?
The starting 5 will be Brunson, RJ, Randle, Fournier and Mitch and Thibs is going to run them 35 -40 minutes a night and no one is going to sign up for that group.
So your 41 wins gets you an 8th seed and a early out in the playoffs.
That is an actual quote from Kyrie on his decision to opt in. He is a modern day MLK Jr. in his mind. 🤷🤷🤷.
I feel like that is the most likely scenario. There aren’t many big name free agents available this off-season so hopefully one of the teams that “strikes out” talks themselves into trading for him rather than standing pat and doing nothing.
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish
I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen
Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs
Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space
So what? Doesnt mean thats it the team is final, they have 8 guys under the age of 24, they have flexibikity and plenty of 1sts..
Signing Brunson is just a step in the process, if they win 45 next year and Brunson, Iq, Rj, Obi and Mitch if he is brought back all play well you dont think a star would want to play with them?
Exactly!!!plus our team is seriously lacking a healthy PG.
Remember how well we played last year with Derrick Rose?
It's because all the moves he's made have been short term and low risk. That and he's had small wins in the draft where the fanbase has seen flashes of brilliance, but a thorough evaluation of the young players hasn't been possible because of the coach that Rose hired. Not to mention the accumulating assets is basically a net neutral until a move is made with them.
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
I want them to move Randle to open time for Obi in the starting lineup. But Brunson is a huge upgrade over Kemba and PG Alec Burks. Even if the rest of the team is the same, it's a pretty decent improvement.
I feel pretty confident that there's other moves to come this week. We will see
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
If they are in fact looking at a sign and trade with Dallas for Brunson, some of those guys you mentioned will have to be a part of that, I would think
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if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
I want them to move Randle to open time for Obi in the starting lineup. But Brunson is a huge upgrade over Kemba and PG Alec Burks. Even if the rest of the team is the same, it's a pretty decent improvement.
I feel pretty confident that there's other moves to come this week. We will see
Its a decent improvement not saying its not, i just want Brunson, Iq, Rj and Obi the main cogs of the team and see where we are at at the end of the year
Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.
In other words business as usual.
They got nothing from Randle all year and nothing from RJ until like February. Rose barely played. Grimes didn't break into the starting lineup until late.
I don't see how they'd go backwards like you're saying.
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
My advice would be to stay patient. I think it makes more sense to start the season with Randle for a few reasons. First off, was Obi's finish to the season real? Was it because a lot of the games weren't competitive or did something click? Its an unknown. Secondly, Randles trade value is at it's lowest right now. I think he has an opportunity to improve that and would be a valuable asset after the season has begun to another team that needs a scoring option.
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if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
My advice would be to stay patient. I think it makes more sense to start the season with Randle for a few reasons. First off, was Obi's finish to the season real? Was it because a lot of the games weren't competitive or did something click? Its an unknown. Secondly, Randles trade value is at it's lowest right now. I think he has an opportunity to improve that and would be a valuable asset after the season has begun to another team that needs a scoring option.
I agree, i think with Obi though we saw glimpses of it all year, we just didnt see it for bigger minutes, thibs rolled with Randle for 35 regardless of how bad he played..
They were games Obi had 10 to 12 points in 14 minutes, if he got the minutes we see more from him
If Randles on the team, Thibs will play him 35 + a night. Can't do it. Not again.
Agreed, Fournier coming off the bench with the 2nd team would be idea. Maybe they see Grimes as that 3 and D two guard? Or maybe they try and deal for another guard to pair with Brunson (assuming we even land him).
Either way, two of Noel, Burks, Rose or Randle need to go. I also would love to move Cam Reddish for an asset, I think he has no place on this team. He is not a good basketball player
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
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supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
He was referring to some Boston reporter's report but that was never going to happen. Burks on the other hand makes much more sense for Boston
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supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
yeah - that makes sense given Boston chose not to retain fournier last year at that number, lol. But they do need to improve their roster somehow and Burks checks some boxes for them, won't cost much to obtain, and is only under contract for the coming season.
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supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
He was referring to some Boston reporter's report but that was never going to happen. Burks on the other hand makes much more sense for Boston
Agree 100%. I think he'd be nice for them as another guy who can handle the ball and score some on low usage. Burks definitely has the most value of vets we'd be looking to move for cap space.
@MikeAScotto
Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers
go get Brunson AND Ayton!
Same writer says the Spurs asking price is 4 first round picks with little to no protection, not 3 as initially reported.
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Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers
go get Brunson AND Ayton!
I think this one is just to give Sims a contract and give him the backup role. I might get talked into taking a chance on Ayton though. The way that ended is a huge red flag, however.
Especially since there are no blockbuster FA out there...besides we don't have enough for a big splash anyway...
Randle will be here..Mitch not Brunson prolly not...so we try to get a serviceable PG and C via trades...
Meanwhile let's see how real Obi and IQs end of the season was..
I think they may want to dump both. That way they can structure the Brunson contract in a way that declines annually (a Brock Aller special) and open up more minutes for some of the younger guys.
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Interestingly, an insider close to the situation says that the Spurs have multiple teams making a strong push for Murray besides the Hawks. One Eastern Conference team, he says, is offering three first round draft picks and a desirable young player in a proposed swap. He also stated that the Minnesota Timberwolves have expressed serious interest in Murray.
Same writer says the Spurs asking price is 4 first round picks with little to no protection, not 3 as initially reported. Link - ( New Window )
In full: San Antonio’s asking price for Murray is four first round draft picks with little to no protections. Alternatively, the Spurs want three minimally protected first rounders and two unprotected first round pick swaps.
This is a monumental ask, lol
They're already in luxury tax territory with only 8 players under contract. They're bad, and right now have no way of getting better. Even John Wall scoffed at them.
I love D. Rose but if you can move him I think you do. Thibs will play him 25-30 minutes if he is on the roster
We need to really find out what Quickley and McBride are capable of and they need minutes.
Grimes will get minutes just because we don't have depth at the wing/2 to keep him on the bench.
The pods have scenarios where this can happen.
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Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers
go get Brunson AND Ayton!
That would be a home run off season, especially if they can find a new home for Randle. How fun would a lineup of Ayton, Toppin, Barrett, Grimes, Brunson be? I don’t know if that team gets out of the first round but id sure as hell enjoy watching them.
The pods have scenarios where this can happen.
Don't see this happening. I think getting locked into that Randle contract without knowing which version you're going to get isn't feasible without the Knicks parting with multiple firsts. In the Dallas scenario they'd have to take back THJ or Bertans which is probably not the best idea.
Signing Brunson is a much better alternative to long term planning.
Re the OP: I think Randle's value is down right now; the Knicks would be selling low. I don't think they will do that. I think they'll bet on him having enough of a bounce-back season to maybe trade him mid-season. I think odds are better than 50-50 that Brunson ends up on the Knicks, maybe through a sign-and-trade where NY gives up some surplus players, like Noel and Reddish. (I think I saw that the money would work with that combination.) Mitch? Who knows? I think Mitch was a great value as a 2nd-round pick and a terrific #2 center but he's not showing much growth in his offensive game, and that's going to hold him back, both on the court and in terms of getting a big contract. He's a bit better at staying out of foul trouble but his offensive game is so limited...
Agreed all three will be on the roster. And their future is at best, a one and down playoff team.
Max deal for Ayton would be 4/131 so a little less than 35 per. Still a ton of money. I like that he's still very young (even though he looks like he's 40). You would think most teams would have maxed him already but the Suns are notoriously cheap. He's certainly not a super star, but he still has room to grow and his age/timeline matches up with a few of our guys.
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Will be on the team. I am of the mind that Robinson should not get paid a cent more then 4 years 40 mil and Randle should go elsewhere. Won’t happen though
Agreed all three will be on the roster. And their future is at best, a one and down playoff team.
Who cares if they are a one and down playoff team this year? Nobody is expecting them to contend this year no matter what moves they make. That doesn’t mean you continue to sit on your hands and do nothing, adding Brunson improved the team and retains flexibility to continue to improve before the deadline or next offseason.
I do think he makes sense for DAL. They dont lose Brunson for nothing, Randle doesnt make some absurd amount of money, and even last years randle is probably the Mavs second best player. That roster is luka and a bunch of junk.
So, based on my very very limited understanding, the salaries have to match unless the team taking on more money is under the cap. If you were to do a Randle for Brunson trade, NY would be sending out about $26m in salary, and Brunson's would be about $13 or so (if his contract was $26 a year) so it would be important that the Mavs were under the cap because they'd be taking additional salary in the deal.
Not sure if that made sense, but I think that's right.
@_917zach
Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”
Then states that he heard from multiple sources that Dallas was very angry that Leon, Wes, and Julius showed up to their playoff game vs Utah.
Yes, Embiid can be the best player on a championship team, his biggest issue has always been health. If you knew Ayton would be as good as Embiid, $35M is a steal, I just have y doubts that Ayton will be THAT good.
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but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.
Yes, Embiid can be the best player on a championship team, his biggest issue has always been health. If you knew Ayton would be as good as Embiid, $35M is a steal, I just have y doubts that Ayton will be THAT good.
I said he is Embiid lite....not embiid. If he was embiid id have no problem paying him.
@_917zach
Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”
Welcome to the club
Said he is not sure if Knicks have talked to spurs but scouts have told him they view Brunson and Murray a good fit together
Not sure if you just saw this on twitter or listened to it but worth mentioning he made it clear that this was just to gauge what his value was around the league and the Knicks do this with most of their players (also pointed out that it's something that all competent organizations do)
So true! They made their own bed and if Brunson signs here have to lie in it
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but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.
Yes, Embiid can be the best player on a championship team, his biggest issue has always been health. If you knew Ayton would be as good as Embiid, $35M is a steal, I just have y doubts that Ayton will be THAT good.
I said he is Embiid lite....not embiid. If he was embiid id have no problem paying him.
Totally missed that, although I'd put Ayton at Embiid-super lite.
Need to keep building assets and not waste them on mediocre talent
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Boston Celtics assistant Will Hardy is closing in on deal to become the next head coach of the Utah Jazz, sources tell
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Bryant stays and it looks like Ainge went with someone he knew
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Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”
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Hahaha
Totally agree. Just a guess, but I'm thinking the reason Burks is still here is that the Knicks are pushing to get something in return for him
Sucks for them.
Lowe said on his podcast that execs he's spoken with have said they think the Mavs would need to outbid the Knicks by $5M/year to keep Brunson and then there was this from a Dallas media guy
Kevin Turner
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"I think it's a 99% chance that Jalen Brunson ends up with the Knicks"- @skinwadea few minutes ago on @BenandSkin on 97.1 The Eagle @theeagledallas
Certainly seems like things are falling into place
They probably are already (or will soon) but if it were to get out the league probably dock the Knicks a second round pick which is what happened when the Bucks did that with the Kings and Bogdanovic two years ago
@_917zach
Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”
Then states that he heard from multiple sources that Dallas was very angry that Leon, Wes, and Julius showed up to their playoff game vs Utah.
Well boo fucking hoooo...
The NBA has been trolling the Knicks (literally) for 20 years now. IF I am the Knicks I am doing anything and everything dirty but legal to gain talent. The NBA can fuck the hell off...twice.
@espn_macmahon
At this point, it's widely anticipated that Jalen Brunson will go to the Knicks on a four-year deal in excess of $100M. It remains to be seen how New York will clear the rest of the necessary cap space and whether the Mavs can work a sign-and-trade to recoup assets.
Tim MacMahon
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At this point, it's widely anticipated that Jalen Brunson will go to the Knicks on a four-year deal in excess of $100M. It remains to be seen how New York will clear the rest of the necessary cap space and whether the Mavs can work a sign-and-trade to recoup assets.
Good comp for Robinson's next contract
I read somewhere its possible Knicks do a descelated deal
tim cato
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i'll add to the chorus: the Mavericks have had a belief for at least the past couple weeks, multiple sources tell me, that Jalen Brunson would sign with the Knicks. at this point, it's seen as a certainty.
Luka
It's top 10 protected but I think it's possible as part of a sign and trade the Mavs remove the protections on it. With the protections now, it's challenging for them to make deals involving 1st rounders given the uncertainty. Removing the protections would give them more flexibility to replace Brunson's production.
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remains a clipper 3 for 33
Good comp for Robinson's next contract
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Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”
Then states that he heard from multiple sources that Dallas was very angry that Leon, Wes, and Julius showed up to their playoff game vs Utah.
Well boo fucking hoooo...
The NBA has been trolling the Knicks (literally) for 20 years now. IF I am the Knicks I am doing anything and everything dirty but legal to gain talent. The NBA can fuck the hell off...twice.
Amen.
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Brunson really does sign with us, the one pick I would be hesitant to trade is the Mavericks pick. If like we’re to miss any significant time that could be a top of the lottery pick
It's top 10 protected but I think it's possible as part of a sign and trade the Mavs remove the protections on it. With the protections now, it's challenging for them to make deals involving 1st rounders given the uncertainty. Removing the protections would give them more flexibility to replace Brunson's production.
That’s my bad then. I didn’t think it was protected
Brunson is a starting caliber player on a good team. We need those. Are we paying for it, sure, but this does feel like a solid deal. We see 25 per and its sticker shock, but the stars are making 40 mill now.
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"Teams do not think Jalen Brunson is the last move for the Knicks. Opposing teams see Brunson and Dejounte Murray as an attractive fit in the backcourt."
"As far as adding another player, New York would have the draft capital to put together a package for San Antonio’s Spurs' Dejounte Murray. According to Bleacher Report, the Atlanta Hawks and Spurs have had talks surrounding Murray. I don’t know if the Knicks have touched base with San Antonio, but rival executives see Murray and Brunson as a strong fit, for what it’s worth. "
I agree it would be a good fit but i dont see how that would fit with Rj
"As far as adding another player, New York would have the draft capital to put together a package for San Antonio’s Spurs' Dejounte Murray. According to Bleacher Report, the Atlanta Hawks and Spurs have had talks surrounding Murray. I don’t know if the Knicks have touched base with San Antonio, but rival executives see Murray and Brunson as a strong fit, for what it’s worth. "
They could be that mystery Eastern Conference team reported earlier today but I'm skeptical too. It just doesn't seem like a Leon and Co. move to go all in on Brunson and Murray vs keeping your draft powder dry for a Donovan Mitchell or another superstar who could become available in the next year or so. But who knows, they haven't made enough bigger moves to really gauge their thought processes.
Mike Francesa
@MikeFrancesa
There is no denying the talent of Kyrie Irving. But I wouldn't have him on my team for free.
Im clearly a murray fan, its a high cost, but i like the idea of adding brunson and Murray. Its def more talent, but is there enough shooting.
Im clearly a murray fan, its a high cost, but i like the idea of adding brunson and Murray. Its def more talent, but is there enough shooting.
Eh, I am not sure how I feel with a Murray and Brunson duo. Murray just does not shoot well enough. With Randle and RJ being inconsistant shooters I could see us losing a lot of winnable games if they are off
I agree it would be a good fit but i dont see how that would fit with Rj
Would San Antonio want RJ?
Ditto. RJ is worth more than Murray, but I would love to find a way to acquire him.
If we trade our extras. If we move Fournier, it'd be really easy.
He wants to be here, works out here, lives her in the off-season.
Hangs with the young Knicks and is loved in the city.
It's a numbers game and a Utah not having egg on their face.
But that team is a contender.
Im clearly a murray fan, its a high cost, but i like the idea of adding brunson and Murray. Its def more talent, but is there enough shooting.
I would imagine though SA would want the Knicks' picks vs other picks they have. If you're also offering pick swaps, any package you can put together for say Donovan Mitchell isn't going to be all that strong.
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and a star comes on the market that we feel is better it would open you up to be able to include Murray, or brunson, or even RJ. Yes those guys would come with be contracts (although Murray not for another year) but they could have value to a team who has a star forcing there way out but dont want to blow it up completely. And even if you traded 3-4 firsts for Murray we would still have a bunch of firsts.
Im clearly a murray fan, its a high cost, but i like the idea of adding brunson and Murray. Its def more talent, but is there enough shooting.
I would imagine though SA would want the Knicks' picks vs other picks they have. If you're also offering pick swaps, any package you can put together for say Donovan Mitchell isn't going to be all that strong.
Rumor was three firsts gets Murray. If we're trading Rose he's worth something too.
Rumor was three firsts gets Murray. If we're trading Rose he's worth something too.
Word today was that they want 4 firsts with light to no protections and pick swaps. The three first thing came from Jake Fischer saying they were looking for a package similar to what Jrue Holiday was dealt for and people just ran with it as if he said they want exactly what Holiday was dealt for.
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Rumor was three firsts gets Murray. If we're trading Rose he's worth something too.
Word today was that they want 4 firsts with light to no protections and pick swaps. The three first thing came from Jake Fischer saying they were looking for a package similar to what Jrue Holiday was dealt for and people just ran with it as if he said they want exactly what Holiday was dealt for.
Thanks. Didn't see that update. I'd love to land both him and Brunson. I'd worry about landing Mitchell when that time comes. Maybe some of our guys will turn into better assets (Fournier/Randle) by then.
Keep Randle
Ditch Mitch and sign Deandre Jordan
Get Harden or Conley
Keep Randle
Ditch Mitch and sign Deandre Jordan
Get Harden or Conley
Gross.
Washington is top 14 for 2 years definitely possible
Bucks is a 25' top 4 protected.
Knicks would need to include their own firsts unprotected in any big deals. Plus the protected they got.
That can get a Mitchell plus young players.
If Murray or Brunson can be part of a deal to get you Mitchell that helps but I would assume Utah wouldn't want a max/near player if they go rebuild.
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Sign Brunson
Keep Randle
Ditch Mitch and sign Deandre Jordan
Get Harden or Conley
Gross.
You don’t see the entertainment value of starting 5 lefties!! How awesome would that be!
Washington is top 14 for 2 years definitely possible
Bucks is a 25' top 4 protected.
Knicks would need to include their own firsts unprotected in any big deals. Plus the protected they got.
That can get a Mitchell plus young players.
If Murray or Brunson can be part of a deal to get you Mitchell that helps but I would assume Utah wouldn't want a max/near player if they go rebuild.
Wouldn't they need to match salary? How would they do that without a big contract?
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The pistons pick is top 18 protected for the next 2 years which is a stretch to hit
Washington is top 14 for 2 years definitely possible
Bucks is a 25' top 4 protected.
Knicks would need to include their own firsts unprotected in any big deals. Plus the protected they got.
That can get a Mitchell plus young players.
If Murray or Brunson can be part of a deal to get you Mitchell that helps but I would assume Utah wouldn't want a max/near player if they go rebuild.
Wouldn't they need to match salary? How would they do that without a big contract?
Absolutely thought that was a given. I am talking assets that would close the deal.
That's why the small deals to Noel, Burks, Rose, Kemba and to a lesser extent Fournier are and we're important. We gave that up now for Brunson which would probably have to be in a deal or RJ.
Exactly. No one thinks Murray is worth that price. That's an "I don't seriously want to trade him" price.
Eh, if they make the playoffs what are those picks really? Just put on some protections and I’d probably make that trade. The Knicks just thought so little of the 11th pick that they moved it in part to dump salary.
Did we get some 2nds at least?
Yeah man, really gonna lose sleep over those second round picks.
The Knicks have been accumulating seconds on the cheap every offseason to be able to do stuff like this. I’d rather they admit they made a mistake a year in then live in denial and hope and pray that eventually they’re redeemed.
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continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.
Yeah man, really gonna lose sleep over those second round picks.
We’ll never get our next Andy Rautins will we
Yep....
A lot of work for Brunson. Better payoff
They’re still +2 in future second round picks.
Good trade- I thought it would be harder to move Noel.
I really like Burks as a bench guard. Good shooter and good teammate… he’ll help Detroit.
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continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.
Yeah man, really gonna lose sleep over those second round picks.
We can literally buy 2nd round picks with cash. We don’t even have roster spots for them
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To clear Burks and Noel
Good trade- I thought it would be harder to move Noel.
I really like Burks as a bench guard. Good shooter and good teammate… he’ll help Detroit.
He was the one player I would have liked to keep out of Noel, Kemba and Rose.
No, i am sure there is more coming
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to New York (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or New York will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]
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continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.
Yeah man, really gonna lose sleep over those second round picks.
We can literally buy 2nd round picks with cash. We don’t even have roster spots for them
Wait 2nds are valuable when we get them but trash when we give them away?
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How much cap space do we have now, when we release Gibson will we be at $36 million? Are we giving all of that to Brunson, I hope not. Maybe Boston will take Fournier and 2 seconds for their trade exception
No, i am sure there is more coming
Knicks are offering 4 yr $100MM to brunson
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In comment 15743235 GMEN46 said:
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How much cap space do we have now, when we release Gibson will we be at $36 million? Are we giving all of that to Brunson, I hope not. Maybe Boston will take Fournier and 2 seconds for their trade exception
No, i am sure there is more coming
Knicks are offering 4 yr $100MM to brunson
Yeah and Knicks opened up close to 38 million if they release Taj
Keep Randle
Ditch Mitch and sign Deandre Jordan
Get Harden or Conley
Whaaaatttt
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Sign Brunson
Keep Randle
Ditch Mitch and sign Deandre Jordan
Get Harden or Conley
Whaaaatttt
Read my post after that. You’ll get it then.
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Sign Brunson
Keep Randle
Ditch Mitch and sign Deandre Jordan
Get Harden or Conley
Whaaaatttt
Read my post after that. You’ll get it then.
Haaaaa...sorry I didn't see that..
You southpaws stick together
Lmaoooooo
Wait 2nds are valuable when we get them but trash when we give them away?
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We got 3 second round picks by taking Ed Davis into cap space then getting rid of him.
He's covering up his mistakes from last year. He's the one who signed Kemba, Burks and Noel and is now trading away assets to make up for those signings.
Who's to say we won't be in the same boat this time next year?
They didnt need to trade both Burks and Noel
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I love it!!
He's covering up his mistakes from last year. He's the one who signed Kemba, Burks and Noel and is now trading away assets to make up for those signings.
Who's to say we won't be in the same boat this time next year?
Burks was a solid player for us..sad to see him go
Noel.was fantastic during the playoffs...injuries made him expendable
Kemba was just a bad move...only out I give Rose was we needed a PG and Kemba was the only one available...
But his contract wasn't bad
We are in a much much much better place now than last year
The man has cleared $30plus million in cap space...
They didnt need to trade both Burks and Noel
Maybe...I liked both Burks and Noel...
Noel.was injured alot and Burks becomes expendable if we get Murray
Now we need to address Mitchgate
And I still hope we trade Randle. And at this point, what is Reddish's value? If it's that low, we might as well keep him and see if he can improve.
@ChrisBHaynes
When free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources tell @YahooSports.
And I still hope we trade Randle. And at this point, what is Reddish's value? If it's that low, we might as well keep him and see if he can improve.
Fournier was a big disappointment...but he played lights out in the Olympics right before we signed him...last year not so much
Cam got hurt...lets see with him
@ChrisBHaynes
When free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources tell @YahooSports.
I bet it winds up being 4 for $100M with $10M in very difficult to achieve bonuses
@ChrisBHaynes
When free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources tell @YahooSports.
Its clear they were gonna outbid Dallas..
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knicks could have 10 to 12 million in space left after Brunson signs..they trade Cam, they can absorb Murray and just send out picks..
They didnt need to trade both Burks and Noel
Maybe...I liked both Burks and Noel...
Noel.was injured alot and Burks becomes expendable if we get Murray
Now we need to address Mitchgate
Burks was expendable if Grimes is healthy regardless of needing cap space.
You hope Quickley can take that role.
You hope Quickley can take that role.
Burks was at his best when he was coming off the bench 15 to 20 minutes and play more when he is hot..
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
@esidery
The Knicks and Wizards were the two teams most consistently linked to Malcolm Brogdon over the last week.
With New York signing Jalen Brunson, Washington seems like the potential favorite unless the Mavericks now pivot in that direction.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
Fournier has 1 yr left..I hope we get Brunson and Murray
U down with that backcourt??
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
You realize like half the league is CAA right?
you also realize Brunson will be the 14th highest paid PG in the NBA? 25 million a year is nothing for a atarting PG in todays NBA
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Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
You realize like half the league is CAA right?
you also realize Brunson will be the 14th highest paid PG in the NBA? 25 million a year is nothing for a atarting PG in todays NBA
Especially for position we so desperately need...he is a rising star
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Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
You realize like half the league is CAA right?
you also realize Brunson will be the 14th highest paid PG in the NBA? 25 million a year is nothing for a atarting PG in todays NBA
Oh I get it and he is not a top half PG for 27.5 million and doesn't make this team more than 4 or 5 games better.
Not a difference maker at all and everyone is expecting a big leap which I don't see happening.
Enjoy your moment I just don't see.
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Clients.
Rose is going to retire after the ink is dry.
Alot of money and capital to get here another bad Knicks deal.
Brunson and Fournier as your backcourt defense.
All of this to get to .500 basketball and in no man's land.
I will be rooting like hell for this team like always I have been through so many of these what's 1 more.
You realize like half the league is CAA right?
you also realize Brunson will be the 14th highest paid PG in the NBA? 25 million a year is nothing for a atarting PG in todays NBA
Oh I get it and he is not a top half PG for 27.5 million and doesn't make this team more than 4 or 5 games better.
Not a difference maker at all and everyone is expecting a big leap which I don't see happening.
Enjoy your moment I just don't see.
I think you're fooling yourself if you don't think a legitimate starting PG doesn't make the team 4-5 games better. It's not a coincidence that Randle had his big year playing off Rose at PG.
It's also not a coincidence that Rose missed 60 games and the Knicks were significantly worse off for it. And this is late career running on fumes, shouldn't be playing starter minutes Rose.
Also said Mitch is expected back 4 years 60 million, i would guess some of that is incentives
Still trying to figure out the Reddish deal.
Still trying to figure out the Reddish deal.
it wouldnt exactly be 4 for 60 i am guessing more like 4 for 45 or so with incentives i am guessong
Brunson will be a significant improvement at PG for Knicks. He has really improved the last couple of years for the Mavs. He was a baller in playoffs this season.
Honestly if I am Dallas, I’d strongly consider bringing back Fournier in a sign and trade. As time goes on that contract gets easier for them to flip for something else, and at least you’re getting a solid player rather then losing Brunson for nothing while as a luxury tax team basically not being able to do anything to replace him. As a guy that made a high number of 3s on pretty good percentages, Fournier is certainly overpaid, but still a solid player.
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do the Knicks work with the Mavs on a sign and trade? Do the mavs take on some salary or do they want just a trade exception? If it is just a trade exception, i am asking for them to remove the protections off the 23 pick
Honestly if I am Dallas, I’d strongly consider bringing back Fournier in a sign and trade. As time goes on that contract gets easier for them to flip for something else, and at least you’re getting a solid player rather then losing Brunson for nothing while as a luxury tax team basically not being able to do anything to replace him. As a guy that made a high number of 3s on pretty good percentages, Fournier is certainly overpaid, but still a solid player.
They can have Fournier...Ill even throw in a free milk bone
Also said Mitch is expected back 4 years 60 million, i would guess some of that is incentives
I get the sentiment there but Murray is nowhere near as ball dominant as Luka is. His usage was a career high last year but still pales in comparison to Luka’s and was more so by necessity than anything else
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In comment 15743216 Reeses Pieces said:
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continue to hand out draft picks to rid themselves of their own mistakes.
Yeah man, really gonna lose sleep over those second round picks.
We can literally buy 2nd round picks with cash. We don’t even have roster spots for them
Wait 2nds are valuable when we get them but trash when we give them away?
Thanks
2nds are valuable specifically in situations like this! This is why you stockpile, to use them as trade filler.
PG: Brunson, Rose
SG: Fournier, Quickley, Grimes
SF: RJ, Cam
PF: Randle, Toppin
C: Robinson, Sims
That's a 11 man rotation, that doesn't account for Taj if we sign him back or McBride.
I'm hoping they can swing another deal to tighten up the roster.
PG: Brunson, Rose
SG: Fournier, Quickley, Grimes
SF: RJ, Cam
PF: Randle, Toppin
C: Robinson, Sims
That's a 11 man rotation, that doesn't account for Taj if we sign him back or McBride.
I'm hoping they can swing another deal to tighten up the roster.
Im guessing at least one of Fournier, Randle, Reddish isn’t on the roster by the time the trade deadline rolls around, if not much sooner.
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4/60 is an overpay for a one dimensional player.
Still trying to figure out the Reddish deal.
it wouldnt exactly be 4 for 60 i am guessing more like 4 for 45 or so with incentives i am guessong
Where are seeing it's incentivized?
It better be because Mitch is not worth 15 million per.
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4/60 is an overpay for a one dimensional player.
Still trying to figure out the Reddish deal.
it wouldnt exactly be 4 for 60 i am guessing more like 4 for 45 or so with incentives i am guessong
Where are seeing it's incentivized?
It better be because Mitch is not worth 15 million per.
I agree...but 4 for $45 is fine
As for Mitch, 4/60 sounds like a big overpay to me. That said, we need to remember to wait until details come out for everything based on how last year went. I can see it being announced 4/60 with 10 in unlikely bonuses and the last year non-guaranteed, so it really ends up being more like 3/36.
I agree that it’ll probably be descending. I mentioned this above but I also think it’s likely to be 4 for $100M with $10M in incentives that are essentially unreachable. The media will report the sticker price which is what CAA wants but it’ll really be 4 for $100M. Just a hunch
@ShamsCharania
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Denver is nearing trading Monte Morris and Will Barton to Washington in deal for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Ish Smith, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium
and it seems the Pacers over played their hand with Brogdon
I wouldn’t, it’s pretty clear at this point that Brogdon’s trade value is pretty low. I think there is still some question about what Randle’s value is, but I like the chances of him being able to rehab his value enough in the future as a former All NBA player than I do Brogdon as a guy that is basically a lock to miss 20+ games.
@ShamsCharania
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Denver is nearing trading Monte Morris and Will Barton to Washington in deal for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Ish Smith, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium
and it seems the Pacers over played their hand with Brogdon
Denver needs D. I am sure this shed salary too. Plus with Hyman - it made Barton expandable.
good idea...what shall we call the new thread?
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Would you guys do Randle for Brogdon straight up? Or maybe even Indiana adding something?
good idea...what shall we call the new thread?
Knicks - Free Agency Thread?