Here is my question of the day....which of these 3 people will be on the Knicks roster come October 2022??
Mitch Robinson,Julius Randle,Jalen Brunson.....
yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish
I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen
Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs
Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space
So what? Doesnt mean thats it the team is final, they have 8 guys under the age of 24, they have flexibikity and plenty of 1sts..
Signing Brunson is just a step in the process, if they win 45 next year and Brunson, Iq, Rj, Obi and Mitch if he is brought back all play well you dont think a star would want to play with them?
Exactly!!!plus our team is seriously lacking a healthy PG.
Remember how well we played last year with Derrick Rose?
mean this 100% with sincerity and not being a troll, I think it's remarkable how little Leon Rose has done "outside the obvious" and yet remained in the good graces of a famously impatient (rightfully so) fanbase. He may end up a great hire, but his best moves would be....? Which Leon Rose moves have given you great confidence he was a home run hire? And this isn't even a Phil situation where his resume is so huge you get the benefit of the doubt. I 100% mean this, I'm not even saying Leon is bad, I'm just kind of shocked with how he's managed to basically have a free ride (even the media kinda lets him get away with not talking to them outside of a reference here and there)
It's because all the moves he's made have been short term and low risk. That and he's had small wins in the draft where the fanbase has seen flashes of brilliance, but a thorough evaluation of the young players hasn't been possible because of the coach that Rose hired. Not to mention the accumulating assets is basically a net neutral until a move is made with them.
It’s remarkable how screwed up of a job management has done there. The Westbrook trade not only killed them on the court, it has prevented them from reallly making any trades of impact. Unless something unexpected happens, they’ll have no shot to contend with that roster next season as well. Could go down as one of the worst trades in recent history.
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
I want them to move Randle to open time for Obi in the starting lineup. But Brunson is a huge upgrade over Kemba and PG Alec Burks. Even if the rest of the team is the same, it's a pretty decent improvement.
I feel pretty confident that there's other moves to come this week. We will see
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
If they are in fact looking at a sign and trade with Dallas for Brunson, some of those guys you mentioned will have to be a part of that, I would think
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
I want them to move Randle to open time for Obi in the starting lineup. But Brunson is a huge upgrade over Kemba and PG Alec Burks. Even if the rest of the team is the same, it's a pretty decent improvement.
I feel pretty confident that there's other moves to come this week. We will see
Its a decent improvement not saying its not, i just want Brunson, Iq, Rj and Obi the main cogs of the team and see where we are at at the end of the year
They will win 35 or less. Thibs will be fired. And Rose will be on the hot seat heading into the 23/24 season likely leading to him going as well.
Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.
In other words business as usual.
They got nothing from Randle all year and nothing from RJ until like February. Rose barely played. Grimes didn't break into the starting lineup until late.
I don't see how they'd go backwards like you're saying.
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
My advice would be to stay patient. I think it makes more sense to start the season with Randle for a few reasons. First off, was Obi's finish to the season real? Was it because a lot of the games weren't competitive or did something click? Its an unknown. Secondly, Randles trade value is at it's lowest right now. I think he has an opportunity to improve that and would be a valuable asset after the season has begun to another team that needs a scoring option.
if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
My advice would be to stay patient. I think it makes more sense to start the season with Randle for a few reasons. First off, was Obi's finish to the season real? Was it because a lot of the games weren't competitive or did something click? Its an unknown. Secondly, Randles trade value is at it's lowest right now. I think he has an opportunity to improve that and would be a valuable asset after the season has begun to another team that needs a scoring option.
I agree, i think with Obi though we saw glimpses of it all year, we just didnt see it for bigger minutes, thibs rolled with Randle for 35 regardless of how bad he played..
They were games Obi had 10 to 12 points in 14 minutes, if he got the minutes we see more from him
supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
I agree. The only way I want to just add Brunson and run it back is if we really think Randle's downturn is a blip. I really can't believe it is, because he was so toxic. But if he returned to his previous form, the form we locked into a contract, he's a better player than Obi is right now. Seems so unlikely that he'll do that though because he was so negative. Send him packing and let Obi get 35+ a game and let's see what he can do. Randle is super talented and skilled but Obi's effort level is basically unmatched on the team. It makes him so easy to root for.
If Randles on the team, Thibs will play him 35 + a night. Can't do it. Not again.
We heard the Knicks were trying for Ivey and Brunson, i still think they want to upgrade the 2 guard position, Fournier is fine but he is a 6th man
Agreed, Fournier coming off the bench with the 2nd team would be idea. Maybe they see Grimes as that 3 and D two guard? Or maybe they try and deal for another guard to pair with Brunson (assuming we even land him).
Either way, two of Noel, Burks, Rose or Randle need to go. I also would love to move Cam Reddish for an asset, I think he has no place on this team. He is not a good basketball player
supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
He was referring to some Boston reporter's report but that was never going to happen. Burks on the other hand makes much more sense for Boston
supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
yeah - that makes sense given Boston chose not to retain fournier last year at that number, lol. But they do need to improve their roster somehow and Burks checks some boxes for them, won't cost much to obtain, and is only under contract for the coming season.
supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
He was referring to some Boston reporter's report but that was never going to happen. Burks on the other hand makes much more sense for Boston
Agree 100%. I think he'd be nice for them as another guy who can handle the ball and score some on low usage. Burks definitely has the most value of vets we'd be looking to move for cap space.
Interestingly, an insider close to the situation says that the Spurs have multiple teams making a strong push for Murray besides the Hawks. One Eastern Conference team, he says, is offering three first round draft picks and a desirable young player in a proposed swap. He also stated that the Minnesota Timberwolves have expressed serious interest in Murray.
Same writer says the Spurs asking price is 4 first round picks with little to no protection, not 3 as initially reported. Link - ( New Window )
Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto
Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers
go get Brunson AND Ayton!
I think this one is just to give Sims a contract and give him the backup role. I might get talked into taking a chance on Ayton though. The way that ended is a huge red flag, however.
Makes the most sense to me
Especially since there are no blockbuster FA out there...besides we don't have enough for a big splash anyway...
Randle will be here..Mitch not Brunson prolly not...so we try to get a serviceable PG and C via trades...
Meanwhile let's see how real Obi and IQs end of the season was..
interest in Burks and Noel to basically say hey Mavs do a sign and trade or we will trade these 2 and just sign Brunson outright
I think they may want to dump both. That way they can structure the Brunson contract in a way that declines annually (a Brock Aller special) and open up more minutes for some of the younger guys.
RE: Not sure how legit this is but figured I'd share
Interestingly, an insider close to the situation says that the Spurs have multiple teams making a strong push for Murray besides the Hawks. One Eastern Conference team, he says, is offering three first round draft picks and a desirable young player in a proposed swap. He also stated that the Minnesota Timberwolves have expressed serious interest in Murray.
Same writer says the Spurs asking price is 4 first round picks with little to no protection, not 3 as initially reported. Link - ( New Window )
In full: San Antonio’s asking price for Murray is four first round draft picks with little to no protections. Alternatively, the Spurs want three minimally protected first rounders and two unprotected first round pick swaps.
It’s remarkable how screwed up of a job management has done there. The Westbrook trade not only killed them on the court, it has prevented them from reallly making any trades of impact. Unless something unexpected happens, they’ll have no shot to contend with that roster next season as well. Could go down as one of the worst trades in recent history.
They're already in luxury tax territory with only 8 players under contract. They're bad, and right now have no way of getting better. Even John Wall scoffed at them.
I think the Knicks need to move on from Noel and Burks.
I love D. Rose but if you can move him I think you do. Thibs will play him 25-30 minutes if he is on the roster
We need to really find out what Quickley and McBride are capable of and they need minutes.
Grimes will get minutes just because we don't have depth at the wing/2 to keep him on the bench.
Makes the most sense but you have to take back assets that might not like and maybe give up a pick but he would want to go home.
The pods have scenarios where this can happen.
Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto
Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers
go get Brunson AND Ayton!
That would be a home run off season, especially if they can find a new home for Randle. How fun would a lineup of Ayton, Toppin, Barrett, Grimes, Brunson be? I don’t know if that team gets out of the first round but id sure as hell enjoy watching them.
4 lightly protected firsts is a ton. Im a big Murray fan, but id need to know the protections. Like by that statement our extra acquired picks wouldnt be of little interest to them. Id happily give them all 3 of those with one of ours with like top 3 protections, but im not sure who the young player would be. Knowing the Knicks it would be Obi and i dont like that.
Makes the most sense but you have to take back assets that might not like and maybe give up a pick but he would want to go home.
The pods have scenarios where this can happen.
Don't see this happening. I think getting locked into that Randle contract without knowing which version you're going to get isn't feasible without the Knicks parting with multiple firsts. In the Dallas scenario they'd have to take back THJ or Bertans which is probably not the best idea.
but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.
between Brunson and Murray is the cost to acquire them. Brunson costs money only. Murray costs some ones and some of our young players (Quick, Toppin, Grimes?). Better Brunson with our current roster or Murray with a gutted roster and less future ones?
This. Very important consideration IMV. The Knicks have been stockpiling assets, apparently with the idea of using them to acquire a superstar, either by trading up in the draft or by trade. Is Murray the superstar you spend those assets on? I don't think so. You get Murray and you still need that superstar. Is Brunson that superstar? Of course not, but you don't need to empty the cupboard to get him.
Re the OP: I think Randle's value is down right now; the Knicks would be selling low. I don't think they will do that. I think they'll bet on him having enough of a bounce-back season to maybe trade him mid-season. I think odds are better than 50-50 that Brunson ends up on the Knicks, maybe through a sign-and-trade where NY gives up some surplus players, like Noel and Reddish. (I think I saw that the money would work with that combination.) Mitch? Who knows? I think Mitch was a great value as a 2nd-round pick and a terrific #2 center but he's not showing much growth in his offensive game, and that's going to hold him back, both on the court and in terms of getting a big contract. He's a bit better at staying out of foul trouble but his offensive game is so limited...
Will be on the team. I am of the mind that Robinson should not get paid a cent more then 4 years 40 mil and Randle should go elsewhere. Won’t happen though
Agreed all three will be on the roster. And their future is at best, a one and down playoff team.
but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.
Max deal for Ayton would be 4/131 so a little less than 35 per. Still a ton of money. I like that he's still very young (even though he looks like he's 40). You would think most teams would have maxed him already but the Suns are notoriously cheap. He's certainly not a super star, but he still has room to grow and his age/timeline matches up with a few of our guys.
Will be on the team. I am of the mind that Robinson should not get paid a cent more then 4 years 40 mil and Randle should go elsewhere. Won’t happen though
Agreed all three will be on the roster. And their future is at best, a one and down playoff team.
Who cares if they are a one and down playoff team this year? Nobody is expecting them to contend this year no matter what moves they make. That doesn’t mean you continue to sit on your hands and do nothing, adding Brunson improved the team and retains flexibility to continue to improve before the deadline or next offseason.
where we can move randle without attaching assets to him, shit maybe even get back an asset, but i cant see it. Teams will see what we see, 1 good year and then back to closer to his career norms.
I do think he makes sense for DAL. They dont lose Brunson for nothing, Randle doesnt make some absurd amount of money, and even last years randle is probably the Mavs second best player. That roster is luka and a bunch of junk.
I don't totally understand BYC but I think because the Knicks are under the cap, that might be a workaround?
So, based on my very very limited understanding, the salaries have to match unless the team taking on more money is under the cap. If you were to do a Randle for Brunson trade, NY would be sending out about $26m in salary, and Brunson's would be about $13 or so (if his contract was $26 a year) so it would be important that the Mavs were under the cap because they'd be taking additional salary in the deal.
Not sure if that made sense, but I think that's right.
but id have little interest in giving ayton a max deal at 35 mill per or whatever it is. He is a good player, but he seems like embiid lite to me. And is embiid lite the best player on a good time? Cause at 35 mill he better be.
Yes, Embiid can be the best player on a championship team, his biggest issue has always been health. If you knew Ayton would be as good as Embiid, $35M is a steal, I just have y doubts that Ayton will be THAT good.
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yes he's reporting he expects Brunson to the Knicks via sign and trade 4 for 100 ish
I.must admit I have mixed emotions about whether I want tamhat deal to happen
Its a middle of the road type of deal in terms of starting PGs
Yup and a big chunk of our cap.space
So what? Doesnt mean thats it the team is final, they have 8 guys under the age of 24, they have flexibikity and plenty of 1sts..
Signing Brunson is just a step in the process, if they win 45 next year and Brunson, Iq, Rj, Obi and Mitch if he is brought back all play well you dont think a star would want to play with them?
Exactly!!!plus our team is seriously lacking a healthy PG.
Remember how well we played last year with Derrick Rose?
It's because all the moves he's made have been short term and low risk. That and he's had small wins in the draft where the fanbase has seen flashes of brilliance, but a thorough evaluation of the young players hasn't been possible because of the coach that Rose hired. Not to mention the accumulating assets is basically a net neutral until a move is made with them.
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
I want them to move Randle to open time for Obi in the starting lineup. But Brunson is a huge upgrade over Kemba and PG Alec Burks. Even if the rest of the team is the same, it's a pretty decent improvement.
I feel pretty confident that there's other moves to come this week. We will see
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
If they are in fact looking at a sign and trade with Dallas for Brunson, some of those guys you mentioned will have to be a part of that, I would think
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if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
I want them to move Randle to open time for Obi in the starting lineup. But Brunson is a huge upgrade over Kemba and PG Alec Burks. Even if the rest of the team is the same, it's a pretty decent improvement.
I feel pretty confident that there's other moves to come this week. We will see
Its a decent improvement not saying its not, i just want Brunson, Iq, Rj and Obi the main cogs of the team and see where we are at at the end of the year
Then the Knicks will have to start over again in 24/25 with essentially no cap space and commitments to players that aren't good enough to move the needle.
In other words business as usual.
They got nothing from Randle all year and nothing from RJ until like February. Rose barely played. Grimes didn't break into the starting lineup until late.
I don't see how they'd go backwards like you're saying.
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
My advice would be to stay patient. I think it makes more sense to start the season with Randle for a few reasons. First off, was Obi's finish to the season real? Was it because a lot of the games weren't competitive or did something click? Its an unknown. Secondly, Randles trade value is at it's lowest right now. I think he has an opportunity to improve that and would be a valuable asset after the season has begun to another team that needs a scoring option.
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if they just sign and Brunson and resign Mitch and do nothing else, i wont be happy, its basically the same team and Iq, Grimes and Toppin are buried..
It needs to be add Brunson and get rid of Randle, Burks, noel and to a lesser extent Rose..
Its just time to add to the youth not the vets..
After last year i dont trust Thibs to play the younger players
My advice would be to stay patient. I think it makes more sense to start the season with Randle for a few reasons. First off, was Obi's finish to the season real? Was it because a lot of the games weren't competitive or did something click? Its an unknown. Secondly, Randles trade value is at it's lowest right now. I think he has an opportunity to improve that and would be a valuable asset after the season has begun to another team that needs a scoring option.
I agree, i think with Obi though we saw glimpses of it all year, we just didnt see it for bigger minutes, thibs rolled with Randle for 35 regardless of how bad he played..
They were games Obi had 10 to 12 points in 14 minutes, if he got the minutes we see more from him
If Randles on the team, Thibs will play him 35 + a night. Can't do it. Not again.
Agreed, Fournier coming off the bench with the 2nd team would be idea. Maybe they see Grimes as that 3 and D two guard? Or maybe they try and deal for another guard to pair with Brunson (assuming we even land him).
Either way, two of Noel, Burks, Rose or Randle need to go. I also would love to move Cam Reddish for an asset, I think he has no place on this team. He is not a good basketball player
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
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supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
He was referring to some Boston reporter's report but that was never going to happen. Burks on the other hand makes much more sense for Boston
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supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
yeah - that makes sense given Boston chose not to retain fournier last year at that number, lol. But they do need to improve their roster somehow and Burks checks some boxes for them, won't cost much to obtain, and is only under contract for the coming season.
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supposedly Boston may have interest in Burks. Boston does have that big trade exception thanks to us doing them a favor in the Fournier sign-and-trade. If they strike out on bigger names, maybe they look to deal with us.
On Bill Simmons podcast he outright says that the Knicks talked to the Celtics about trying to take back Fournier into that trade exception and the Celts said no.
He was referring to some Boston reporter's report but that was never going to happen. Burks on the other hand makes much more sense for Boston
Agree 100%. I think he'd be nice for them as another guy who can handle the ball and score some on low usage. Burks definitely has the most value of vets we'd be looking to move for cap space.
@MikeAScotto
Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers
go get Brunson AND Ayton!
Same writer says the Spurs asking price is 4 first round picks with little to no protection, not 3 as initially reported.
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Michael Scotto
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Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers
go get Brunson AND Ayton!
I think this one is just to give Sims a contract and give him the backup role. I might get talked into taking a chance on Ayton though. The way that ended is a huge red flag, however.
Especially since there are no blockbuster FA out there...besides we don't have enough for a big splash anyway...
Randle will be here..Mitch not Brunson prolly not...so we try to get a serviceable PG and C via trades...
Meanwhile let's see how real Obi and IQs end of the season was..
I think they may want to dump both. That way they can structure the Brunson contract in a way that declines annually (a Brock Aller special) and open up more minutes for some of the younger guys.
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Interestingly, an insider close to the situation says that the Spurs have multiple teams making a strong push for Murray besides the Hawks. One Eastern Conference team, he says, is offering three first round draft picks and a desirable young player in a proposed swap. He also stated that the Minnesota Timberwolves have expressed serious interest in Murray.
Same writer says the Spurs asking price is 4 first round picks with little to no protection, not 3 as initially reported. Link - ( New Window )
In full: San Antonio’s asking price for Murray is four first round draft picks with little to no protections. Alternatively, the Spurs want three minimally protected first rounders and two unprotected first round pick swaps.
This is a monumental ask, lol
They're already in luxury tax territory with only 8 players under contract. They're bad, and right now have no way of getting better. Even John Wall scoffed at them.
I love D. Rose but if you can move him I think you do. Thibs will play him 25-30 minutes if he is on the roster
We need to really find out what Quickley and McBride are capable of and they need minutes.
Grimes will get minutes just because we don't have depth at the wing/2 to keep him on the bench.
The pods have scenarios where this can happen.
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Michael Scotto
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Sources: The New York Knicks have had exploratory discussions on trading center Nerlens Noel to the Los Angeles Clippers
go get Brunson AND Ayton!
That would be a home run off season, especially if they can find a new home for Randle. How fun would a lineup of Ayton, Toppin, Barrett, Grimes, Brunson be? I don’t know if that team gets out of the first round but id sure as hell enjoy watching them.
The pods have scenarios where this can happen.
Don't see this happening. I think getting locked into that Randle contract without knowing which version you're going to get isn't feasible without the Knicks parting with multiple firsts. In the Dallas scenario they'd have to take back THJ or Bertans which is probably not the best idea.
Signing Brunson is a much better alternative to long term planning.
Re the OP: I think Randle's value is down right now; the Knicks would be selling low. I don't think they will do that. I think they'll bet on him having enough of a bounce-back season to maybe trade him mid-season. I think odds are better than 50-50 that Brunson ends up on the Knicks, maybe through a sign-and-trade where NY gives up some surplus players, like Noel and Reddish. (I think I saw that the money would work with that combination.) Mitch? Who knows? I think Mitch was a great value as a 2nd-round pick and a terrific #2 center but he's not showing much growth in his offensive game, and that's going to hold him back, both on the court and in terms of getting a big contract. He's a bit better at staying out of foul trouble but his offensive game is so limited...
Agreed all three will be on the roster. And their future is at best, a one and down playoff team.
Max deal for Ayton would be 4/131 so a little less than 35 per. Still a ton of money. I like that he's still very young (even though he looks like he's 40). You would think most teams would have maxed him already but the Suns are notoriously cheap. He's certainly not a super star, but he still has room to grow and his age/timeline matches up with a few of our guys.
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Will be on the team. I am of the mind that Robinson should not get paid a cent more then 4 years 40 mil and Randle should go elsewhere. Won’t happen though
Agreed all three will be on the roster. And their future is at best, a one and down playoff team.
Who cares if they are a one and down playoff team this year? Nobody is expecting them to contend this year no matter what moves they make. That doesn’t mean you continue to sit on your hands and do nothing, adding Brunson improved the team and retains flexibility to continue to improve before the deadline or next offseason.
I do think he makes sense for DAL. They dont lose Brunson for nothing, Randle doesnt make some absurd amount of money, and even last years randle is probably the Mavs second best player. That roster is luka and a bunch of junk.
So, based on my very very limited understanding, the salaries have to match unless the team taking on more money is under the cap. If you were to do a Randle for Brunson trade, NY would be sending out about $26m in salary, and Brunson's would be about $13 or so (if his contract was $26 a year) so it would be important that the Mavs were under the cap because they'd be taking additional salary in the deal.
Not sure if that made sense, but I think that's right.
@_917zach
Fred Katz: “I get the sense that Dallas is very frustrated with the Knicks front office”
Then states that he heard from multiple sources that Dallas was very angry that Leon, Wes, and Julius showed up to their playoff game vs Utah.
Yes, Embiid can be the best player on a championship team, his biggest issue has always been health. If you knew Ayton would be as good as Embiid, $35M is a steal, I just have y doubts that Ayton will be THAT good.