Philadelphia reporter: why the Giants will be dumpster fire

reasonable points. Point 8 on the Oline was probably the weakest. Pointing out that Glowinski and Feliciano are 30 is weak. They know these guys are likely stop gaps. He points out they need OL to grow with the team and then says the 2022 picks may not be good....no shit.

All in all, fair and accurate.

He can be a little over the top and projects a little bit, but by and large he's right and hits the Eagles just as hard as everyone else. I enjoy reading these each year.

As for this article, point 10 hits hard. We either need to find a way to be legitimately good or so bad we can take a QB without someone jumping over us. Mediocre is our worst result.

But I do know the Eagles are a better team.

Much better.

Let’s face it, the Giants have not been good for a long time and deserve the ridicule. Funny how that article didn’t feel like hyperbole. Sad actually.

I agree his take on the OLine seemed off, but the rest of the article is essentially on point. Man! Things really were awful last year. It is hard to find anything to be optimistic about for this year. Progress, I’ll take that.

do this every year too? Why your team sucks or something like that.

In comment 15742530 M.S. said:

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But I do know the Eagles are a better team. Much better.

Hurts “performance” against Tampa told me all I need to know about the Eagles and what their ceiling is.
This guy can’t read - ( New Window )

In comment 15742538 10thAve said:

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do this every year too? Why your team sucks or something like that.

Yea the writer still does it on the leftwing sports site defector.

In comment 15742523 section125 said:

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reasonable points. Point 8 on the Oline was probably the weakest. Pointing out that Glowinski and Feliciano are 30 is weak. They know these guys are likely stop gaps. He points out they need OL to grow with the team and then says the 2022 picks may not be good....no shit. All in all, fair and accurate.

The reasons why the Eagles will be good are mostly all players over 30. Kelce, Johnson, Slay, Graham, Bradberry, etc. AJ Brown and Devonta Smith are young, but there next wave of youngsters that they signed to second contracts, such as Josh Sweat, Avonte Maddox, etc are not very good.

In comment 15742523 section125 said:

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reasonable points. Point 8 on the Oline was probably the weakest. Pointing out that Glowinski and Feliciano are 30 is weak. They know these guys are likely stop gaps. He points out they need OL to grow with the team and then says the 2022 picks may not be good....no shit. All in all, fair and accurate.

Also point 10, while true, has nothing to do with the 22 season. But I guess when your theme is ten reasons………

In comment 15742530 M.S. said:

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But I do know the Eagles are a better team. Much better.

As are the Cowboys.
The Redskins are close. I give them an edge because their roster is better and Rivera is a solid coach.

As rough as it would be, going 3-14 might just be the best thing for this franchise. Get the fucking QB right and move into 2023.

In comment 15742545 giantBCP said:

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In comment 15742530 M.S. said: Quote: But I do know the Eagles are a better team. Much better. Hurts “performance” against Tampa told me all I need to know about the Eagles and what their ceiling is. This guy can’t read - ( New Window )

Yeah but the Eagles have the draft capital to move up and swing for another guy. We don’t.

In comment 15742570 Keaton028 said:

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In comment 15742545 giantBCP said: Quote: In comment 15742530 M.S. said: Quote: But I do know the Eagles are a better team. Much better. Hurts “performance” against Tampa told me all I need to know about the Eagles and what their ceiling is. This guy can’t read - ( New Window ) Yeah but the Eagles have the draft capital to move up and swing for another guy. We don’t.

I'm gonna be upset if they end up with Van Dyke..he's the guy I want.

I’m intrigued by Richardson after Talkin’ Giants previewed him.

I do think they'll wind up with a losing record (5-7 wins), and there will be a lot of growing pains for sure as the team is young and still has holes. But, I don't expect them to look as untalented and pathetic as they did the past two seasons. At some point, the men in the locker room won't stand for it any longer and the tide will begin to turn.

does the whole NFC East I think.

year he basically writes how the whole NFC East will be a dumpster fire 🔥.

It's meant to be humorous and it was, so kudos to the author. Admittedly, behind anything meant to be humorous, there is usually a great deal of truth. All we can do is hope these truths/semi-truths don't continue.

the team is but also the downside. And there is considerable downside at this early stage of the rebuild

Fuck Joe Judge

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In comment 15742567 The_Boss said:

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In comment 15742530 M.S. said: Quote: But I do know the Eagles are a better team. Much better. As are the Cowboys. The Redskins are close. I give them an edge because their roster is better and Rivera is a solid coach. As rough as it would be, going 3-14 might just be the best thing for this franchise. Get the fucking QB right and move into 2023.

How does going 3-14 get our QB right. We will still either have to draft or trade for one and hope that it works. There are no guarantees that it will. If Jones has a good year and we can build off that then we have the QB and continue to build around him. We have a better chance with that than 3-14 and hoping the guy we draft will take us to the promised land.

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Fuck Joe Judge

I laughed at loud at that one.

he didn't even have to reach on any of his points this year

That's just how bad the Giants have been and are - until proven otherwise

easy to focus on the old team, which WAS a dumpster fire

watching those Jones INTs again was just brutal.

But the point about quarterback purgatory is concerning.
Also, Joe Schoen is not tied to Brian Daboll. Daboll doesn't work out, then we just go looking for another head coach, though maybe an expierenced one next time.

is the take on Daboll. Everything else written there is history. Daboll is here now. He has to be a good HC or we're fucked once again and it won't matter how normal Schoen acts or how fun his drafts are.

Thomas, Neal and hopefully "Easy" Ezeudu can begin to right the ship. (Everybody else on the line is just shewing gum and duct tape).

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"Are Daniel Jones and the Giants' offense more like Josh Allen and the Bills' offenses, or closer to the other quarterbacks and the offenses Daboll coached at his other stops?"

It's infinitely easier to look good as an OC when you have a physical freak like Allen who can make every throw imaginable, and then invent his own. Jones is about a 1/3 of the talent level of Allen.

He's a pretty good x's and o's guy, and his assessments are usually very fair.

I’m hearing about the pepsi thing - my god - how facking dumb can they be. The season was over. Oof what a shit show

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I’m hearing about the pepsi thing - my god - how facking dumb can they be. The season was over. Oof what a shit show

There was big outrage at the time. One medium Pepsi is bad enough... but then after the game it became clear it was one medium Pepsi per family.

The Mara's and Tisch's really appreciate us!

schedule on paper is weak. Last year I nailed the prediction plus/minus one.

The philly writer i have to say is correct.

Daboll does not need to out run the bear.....he just needs to out run Garrett.
In other words...

Hurdle to improve offense is very doable.

Same goes for OL

Better than Solder, Hernandez and the other 2 guys..is not that big of a jump.

In comment 15742855 MartyNJ1969 said:

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schedule on paper is weak. Last year I nailed the prediction plus/minus one. The philly writer i have to say is correct.

I agree. We have too many weaknesses and unknowns. The injury bug has plagued the Giants for many years. Did they change out anyone on that end? Our secondary is going to lose us games, especially when Jackson gets hurt. Our WR might be fun if they could stay on the field. Our O-Line will be better but it will take time. On paper we have the least amount of talent in the NFC East and Daboll and Schoen are first timers at their respective positions.

With that said, there will still be tangible reasons to watch games. Can Barkley and Jones win extensions? Can young players forced to play develop quickly- Bellinger, Toney, Thibedeaux, Neal maybe even Flott and Robinson? Can the Giants begin stealing games they aren’t supposed to win? Can Wink make a defense lacking talent still a threat? Many reasons to still watch even though I predict we won’t have a great record.

[quoteSomehow, even with having the worst record in the NFL over the last five years combined, the Giants have picked higher than fourth overall just once during that span (and they took a running back, lol).

They could be picking outside the top five or so again in 2023 even if they're awful.

That's not purgatory. The Giants wish they were in purgatory. They're in more of an "NFL Extended Stay Hell."[/quote]

This bit was brutal. Winning meaningless games at the end of the season is absolutely brutal and has set us back years.

In comment 15743009 CaLLaHaN said:

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[quoteSomehow, even with having the worst record in the NFL over the last five years combined, the Giants have picked higher than fourth overall just once during that span (and they took a running back, lol). They could be picking outside the top five or so again in 2023 even if they're awful. That's not purgatory. The Giants wish they were in purgatory. They're in more of an "NFL Extended Stay Hell."

This bit was brutal. Winning meaningless games at the end of the season is absolutely brutal and has set us back years. [/quote]

But but but... winning culture! Carry over to next season! Showing improvement!

is that most of what he says is true and that there’s no real Giant fan that would disagree. Jury will certainly be out on the new hires and players. I think there’ll be improvement, but mediocre will get us nowhere unless Jones truly becomes a decent QB. Most of this article talks about ownership and Judge. Hopefully ownership has their nose out of Football Ops.

The hope is the Giants start playing smart football..This starts with the new coaching staff..
If we are within 3 to 7 pts late in the 4th qtr,in many of our games win or lose,I can see the change in our playing..Having a chance each and every game is what the team needs to overcome what has been going on for the last several years..30 to 14 late in the game kills the players minds and enthusiasm..We need to have all the players playing strong,fun football.
They have to enjoy what they are doing..A firm hand,not meaness by the coaches,is the right way to get results..I think we have that here once again..Bill Parcells was a master of that coaching style..Hope is eternal, and I'm hoping we improve a bunch this year..Will we win more then we lose??
I don't know..But if we play better then last year, I will enjoy watching us play win or lose..

After all, a guy from a dumpster fire city should know what he’s talking about🙃.

As he is the cowboys and giants. I’ll say this he did insure me to create the anti Mara thread and, not for just his incompetence and tone deafness; but his stupid taught rules — it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Hes a silver spoon fed douche bag on top of everything else.

Look, as a fan you have to believe that we finally picked a good HC and GM. What are the odds we misfired on both yet again?

The more I read and evaluate the more I see that Ownership + GM Gettleman + bad HC hires + bd drafting since post SB 2012 have crushed this team. For every bright spot (2016) there are many bad spots and pics and decisions.

There are lots of ifs this year and part of me wants to see Jones, Barkley and Galloday to put up big numbers on offense and quiet the masses. I still believe 9 - 8 gets Jones a contract but Barkley will likely get a big money UFA deal and walk.

If this team flops due to the new schemes, injuries, "same ole same ole" then expect a total house-cleaning and Jones, Barkley, Galloday, Martinez, Williams and Shepard may all be shown the door and youth brought in via the draft to replace them and build from the bottom up with a rookie QB.

I'm hoping for 9 - 8 but don't want 8 - 9 if you get my drift.

Fun to watch, but then when I glanced at the bottom of the screen we were always down by multiple touchdowns :(

I couldn’t care less about his blocking or when he was drafted, just hoping to see a return to form and some explosive plays from scrimmage. He’s not a ground and pound bruiser.

Not expecting a lot of wins but hoping the offense is creative and exciting. With Barkley, Toney and Robinson we have 3 potentially electric playmakers to spread the field and put pressure on the defenses. Make them pay for sending blitzes.

Might as well be hopeful until reality sets in and proves unwarranted.