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NFT: The Critical Drinker Eviscerates Kenobi.

Klaatu : 6/28/2022 10:16 am
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So we're finally at the end of Kenobi. Was it worth the wait? Did the "Rematch of the Century" live up to the hype? Are you kidding?

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Nerdrotic  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/28/2022 10:50 am : link
did the same...


Kenobi FLOPS | Disney's FAILURE is Complete Again - ( New Window )
RE: Nerdrotic  
Klaatu : 6/28/2022 11:10 am : link
In comment 15742652 Eric from BBI said:
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did the same...
Kenobi FLOPS | Disney's FAILURE is Complete Again - ( New Window )


ALL HAIL FRIDAY NIGHT TIGHTS!

(Even though I usually watch on Saturday morning)
Klaatu  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/28/2022 11:15 am : link
I can only watch them in bits and pieces... I think their regular show runs around 4 hours...

But they were in rare form last Friday.
How does Kathleen Kennedy keep her job?  
HomerJones45 : 6/28/2022 11:19 am : link
One bomb after another.
I've really enjoyed Boba Fett and Mandalorian but this was boring  
Heisenberg : 6/28/2022 11:20 am : link
I finished it and immediately regretted spending my time on it.
RE: How does Kathleen Kennedy keep her job?  
Klaatu : 6/28/2022 11:36 am : link
In comment 15742668 HomerJones45 said:
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One bomb after another.


The Force is Female. Didn't you see the t-shirts?
Hahaha  
widmerseyebrow : 6/28/2022 12:08 pm : link
Thanks for sharing. Never heard this Critical Drinker guy before.
I stopped watching after episode 2  
djm : 6/28/2022 12:14 pm : link
.not worth the time.
RE: Hahaha  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/28/2022 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15742710 widmerseyebrow said:
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Thanks for sharing. Never heard this Critical Drinker guy before.


He's great. He'll even go back and review movies from a few decades ago that he thinks younger people may have missed.
RE: Hahaha  
Klaatu : 6/28/2022 12:41 pm : link
In comment 15742710 widmerseyebrow said:
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Thanks for sharing. Never heard this Critical Drinker guy before.


He's one of many that were loosely referred to as "The Fandom Menace" when Disney began screwing around with Star Wars. Eric mentioned Nerdrotic (Gary B). I've linked a recent video of his below.

Overlord DVD, Young Rippa, Midnight's Edge, World Class Bullshitters, Geeks & Gamers, Disparu, RK Outpost, Melonie Mac, Anna aka That Star Wars Girl, AZ (Heelvs.Babyface)...The Fandom Menace has been growing by leaps and bounds in recent years.

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RE: How does Kathleen Kennedy keep her job?  
vonritz : 6/28/2022 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15742668 HomerJones45 said:
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One bomb after another.


Being one of the most successful executive producers in movie history might have something to do with it.
RE: RE: How does Kathleen Kennedy keep her job?  
Klaatu : 6/28/2022 12:55 pm : link
In comment 15742756 vonritz said:
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In comment 15742668 HomerJones45 said:


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One bomb after another.



Being one of the most successful executive producers in movie history might have something to do with it.


Having your hand held by Steven Spielberg for most of your career might have something to do with that.
Disney clearly has an agenda  
DieHard : 6/28/2022 1:10 pm : link
But guys like Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic are just as agenda-driven. Personally, I prefer reviewers like the guys at RedLetterMedia who can provide critical commentary without taking stands based primarily on identity/gender politics.
Oh look  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 6/28/2022 1:14 pm : link
white guys upset that not all the characters are white guys.
New Rockstars  
Ceez2.0 : 6/28/2022 1:20 pm : link
do great commentary and breakdowns. They're pretty cool.
RE: Oh look  
Ceez2.0 : 6/28/2022 1:21 pm : link
In comment 15742783 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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white guys upset that not all the characters are white guys.



Lmao
The problem with reva wasnt that she was a woman...  
Italianju : 6/28/2022 1:22 pm : link
it was the acting was ehh and the writing on her wasnt great. Honestly i thought the character was a lot better the second half of the season then the beginning, but overall it just wasnt a well acted or written character for most of the series.

I didnt hate the show, but the issues with it had nothing to do with Disney's "agenda". It was just plain ehh writing. Star wars needs to get out of the past and into the future. They keep doing things that take place in the same time frames and then get stuck in these boxes where they cant do certain things cause of future movies. Like the thing i hated the most about the show was Obi wan just leaving Darth Vader there. You would kill him, you 100% would kill him, not just leave him there. But you cant kill him, obviously. And they should have done something like the inquisitors show up and save him, or the planet is falling apart and obi wan has to run but vader survives or something. You dont just leave this pure evil being just there to continue to wreak havoc.
You talk about Disney's 'agenda'  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 6/28/2022 1:23 pm : link
What about the white-boy 'agenda', Moses Ingram, Kelly Tran, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Kathleen Kennedy have all faced harrassment from racists and sexists.

If we lived in a world where "forced diversity " wasn't necessary those things wouldn't happen. The proof is in the pudding. Cast a person of color and you have an "agenda" because white boys can't comprehend that you might want a black woman on her own merits.
RE: You talk about Disney's 'agenda'  
Italianju : 6/28/2022 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15742797 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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What about the white-boy 'agenda', Moses Ingram, Kelly Tran, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Kathleen Kennedy have all faced harrassment from racists and sexists.

If we lived in a world where "forced diversity " wasn't necessary those things wouldn't happen. The proof is in the pudding. Cast a person of color and you have an "agenda" because white boys can't comprehend that you might want a black woman on her own merits.


Disney literally had to prep her for the racist shit she was going to get, before the show even came out. Thats the issue. From the second she got cast she was already working from behind, because a percentage of fans already said "oh great here goes woke disney forcing some shitty character on us". Despite the fact that in Rebels like half the inquisitors were woman.
RE: RE: How does Kathleen Kennedy keep her job?  
HomerJones45 : 6/28/2022 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15742756 vonritz said:
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One bomb after another.



Being one of the most successful executive producers in movie history might have something to do with it.
She's had a 10 year run of dreck and destroyed a valuable franchise. Seems like her "sell by" date may have passed.
Am I disconnected ?  
Ron from Ninerland : 6/28/2022 1:36 pm : link
So far I've only seen the first three episodes of Kenobi and to me it seems pretty damn good. Its true, they could have found a better actress to play Reva, but i don't consider that a show stopper.

The story is good and the portrayals of Kenobi and Vader are good to excellent. The portrayal of Leia is totally consistent with her personality as an adult. As far as I can tell the story is consistent with Star Wars canon.

Maybe I'm in for a letdown as the series progresses, but so far, I'm impressed.
RE: You talk about Disney's 'agenda'  
Klaatu : 6/28/2022 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15742797 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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What about the white-boy 'agenda', Moses Ingram, Kelly Tran, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Kathleen Kennedy have all faced harrassment from racists and sexists.

If we lived in a world where "forced diversity " wasn't necessary those things wouldn't happen. The proof is in the pudding. Cast a person of color and you have an "agenda" because white boys can't comprehend that you might want a black woman on her own merits.


Much of the "harassment" was manufactured by Disney and its allies in the shill media, such as the BS kerfuffle about Tran being forced off social media by "haters." Completely disproven (by Tran, herself), but constantly regurgitated.

Funny how no one had a problem with Lando Calrissian or Mace Windu, or Princess Leia and Mon Mothma, for that matter. Funny how in other sci-fi/fantasy series (before they were vandalized) no one had a problem with Blade, or Black Panther, or Luke Cage, or Ben Sisko, or Ellen Ripley, or Sarah Connor, or Alice. No one who disliked Daisy Ridley did so because she was a woman. They disliked her because she defined what a "Mary Sue" is. The problem with Boyega wasn't that he was black, it was that canon established that all Stormtroopers were clones, which they then had to ret-con when it was pointed out

Tell a good story and it won't matter what sex or color your protagonist is. Tell a bad story and you deserve all the scorn that can be thrown at you.
RE: Oh look  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/28/2022 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15742783 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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white guys upset that not all the characters are white guys.


This is just typical knee-jerk, and quite frankly, lazy reaction.

These guys loved The Mandalorian, and for good reason. That show was filled with diversity.

You guys who defend a product regardless of how crappy it is are the ones with an agenda.
RE: You talk about Disney's 'agenda'  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/28/2022 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15742797 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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What about the white-boy 'agenda', Moses Ingram, Kelly Tran, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Kathleen Kennedy have all faced harrassment from racists and sexists.

If we lived in a world where "forced diversity " wasn't necessary those things wouldn't happen. The proof is in the pudding. Cast a person of color and you have an "agenda" because white boys can't comprehend that you might want a black woman on her own merits.


Wow...just wow.
The producer  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/28/2022 1:53 pm : link
of Fright Night Tights is an Asian woman.
And if you bothered  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/28/2022 1:58 pm : link
to actually watch the links above, 90 percent of the criticism is not about casting.

It's about the plot holes you can drive a truck through and the subpar film making.
backlash manufactured by Disney?  
Heisenberg : 6/28/2022 2:01 pm : link
Oh boy....
RE: backlash manufactured by Disney?  
Klaatu : 6/28/2022 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15742837 Heisenberg said:
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Oh boy....


Absolutely. No truth behind the Tran stories, and they got out in front of Reva because their initial testing showed that fans didn't like the "bait and switch," calling the show "Kenobi" but making it all about Reva. It was doomed from the start.
I enjoy the Critical Drinker  
Jim in Forest Hills : 6/28/2022 2:22 pm : link
but he gets too wrapped up into being anti woke. Starting to sound like he's too agenda heavy and trying to find woke shit to bitch about. I do agree that the show wasn't good.
RE: RE: Hahaha  
DCGMan : 6/28/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15742722 Eric from BBI said:
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Thanks for sharing. Never heard this Critical Drinker guy before.



He's great. He'll even go back and review movies from a few decades ago that he thinks younger people may have missed.


He and Nerdrotic did an hour plus long video on Big Trouble in Little China which was great.
RE: RE: backlash manufactured by Disney?  
vonritz : 6/28/2022 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15742842 Klaatu said:
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Oh boy....



Absolutely. No truth behind the Tran stories, and they got out in front of Reva because their initial testing showed that fans didn't like the "bait and switch," calling the show "Kenobi" but making it all about Reva. It was doomed from the start.


LOL! The stupid in this thread is overflowing
RE: RE: RE: backlash manufactured by Disney?  
Klaatu : 6/28/2022 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15742887 vonritz said:
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Oh boy....



Absolutely. No truth behind the Tran stories, and they got out in front of Reva because their initial testing showed that fans didn't like the "bait and switch," calling the show "Kenobi" but making it all about Reva. It was doomed from the start.



LOL! The stupid in this thread is overflowing


How could it be? You're keeping all of the stupid for yourself.
So Disney, the multi billion dollar publicly traded company  
Heisenberg : 6/28/2022 2:54 pm : link
who is developing these properties is going to manufacture controversy because they'll make more money how?
RE: You talk about Disney's 'agenda'  
widmerseyebrow : 6/28/2022 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15742797 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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What about the white-boy 'agenda', Moses Ingram, Kelly Tran, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Kathleen Kennedy have all faced harrassment from racists and sexists.

If we lived in a world where "forced diversity " wasn't necessary those things wouldn't happen. The proof is in the pudding. Cast a person of color and you have an "agenda" because white boys can't comprehend that you might want a black woman on her own merits.


You're completely missing the point of this guy's reviews of Star Wars and Marvel. Diversity is fine, but not in lieu of character development. If you're really championing diversity, you should be angry with Disney churning out one boring character/movie/show after another because they're too cheap or lazy to invest in script or actors/actresses with some acting chops. They don't because they're just pandering and the cash cow produces no matter what now. There's been a downward turn in all of the Marvel productions since Endgame.
widmerseyebrow  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/28/2022 3:07 pm : link
Bingo.

The female characters in The Mandalorian are fantastic, and believable. Take Asoka's character. Perfect.
The stock was at $200  
NNJ Tom : 6/28/2022 3:10 pm : link
It is now at $95 again. Anyone associated with Sr Management should probably polish up their resume.

Its not just Star Wars, Pixar hasn't made a good movie since John Lasseter was forced out.

The Parks are showing age, new rides are years behind schedule and worst of all, people have reported garbage cans being full. That wouldn't have happen just a few years ago.

It's sad, but they probably can run this way as long as parents are willing to take out 2nd mortgages for a vacation.

RE: widmerseyebrow  
Jints in Carolina : 6/28/2022 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15742925 Eric from BBI said:
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Bingo.

The female characters in The Mandalorian are fantastic, and believable. Take Asoka's character. Perfect.


Come on now Eric, you know if you don't like a character that just happens to be female you're a misogynist.
RE: So Disney, the multi billion dollar publicly traded company  
Klaatu : 6/28/2022 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15742897 Heisenberg said:
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who is developing these properties is going to manufacture controversy because they'll make more money how?


They won't. They're losing money, especially on merch, just as they're losing subscribers, their stock suffers, and they're having trouble attracting licensees (or licensors. I always get them mixed up), unless they sign deals which would have been financially unthinkable a decade ago.

But the point of manufactured controversy is to deflect from actual criticism and instead chalk up any and all criticism to various "ists" and "phobes." To get out in front of it with the help of their allies in the shill media. We're seeing the same thing with Amazon's Rings of Power, just as we saw with their Wheel of Time.

The "message" (as the Drinker would say) is more important to them than their properties. The properties are only used as vehicles to push an agenda, without any respect for canon or characters. There's a reason why a series like Cobra Kai is universally praised, while Disney Star Wars (or Star Trek, or the BBC's Dr. Who) is not.
Jints  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/28/2022 3:28 pm : link
and one of the best scenes in Star Wars ever was the assault by the four female characters in the season finale (right before Luke showed up). That was badass. But it felt natural, not forced.
RE: The stock was at $200  
UConn4523 : 6/28/2022 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15742927 NNJ Tom said:
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It is now at $95 again. Anyone associated with Sr Management should probably polish up their resume.

Its not just Star Wars, Pixar hasn't made a good movie since John Lasseter was forced out.

The Parks are showing age, new rides are years behind schedule and worst of all, people have reported garbage cans being full. That wouldn't have happen just a few years ago.

It's sad, but they probably can run this way as long as parents are willing to take out 2nd mortgages for a vacation.


You are certainly entitled to your opinion but your Pixar comment is way off, IMO. I believe he left in 2017/18? Since then Pixar has put out Incredibles 2, Toy Story 4, Onward, Soul, Turning Red, and Lightyear. I haven't seen Lightyear yet but none of the others are bad, most are good to great, especially Soul.

Lasseter was there during the Cars movies, the 2 sequels being probably Pixar's weakest offerings.

Disney stock being down has nothing to do with their content, IMO. They were late to the streaming game so they've experienced the jolt that came with the launch of Disney+ (especially when the pandemic hit) and now the fall with all the competition. People are watching Obi Wan (strong Nielsen ratings) just like they watching most of their other TV content. I believe Moon Knight was a bit underwhelming but that was to be expected with a brand new character most knew nothing about.
RE: RE: So Disney, the multi billion dollar publicly traded company  
Heisenberg : 6/28/2022 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15742933 Klaatu said:
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who is developing these properties is going to manufacture controversy because they'll make more money how?



They won't. They're losing money, especially on merch, just as they're losing subscribers, their stock suffers, and they're having trouble attracting licensees (or licensors. I always get them mixed up), unless they sign deals which would have been financially unthinkable a decade ago.

But the point of manufactured controversy is to deflect from actual criticism and instead chalk up any and all criticism to various "ists" and "phobes." To get out in front of it with the help of their allies in the shill media. We're seeing the same thing with Amazon's Rings of Power, just as we saw with their Wheel of Time.

The "message" (as the Drinker would say) is more important to them than their properties. The properties are only used as vehicles to push an agenda, without any respect for canon or characters. There's a reason why a series like Cobra Kai is universally praised, while Disney Star Wars (or Star Trek, or the BBC's Dr. Who) is not.


If you honestly think "the message" is more important to the corporation than properties, then that's an immediate impasse. They paid like 4 billion for the rights to Star Wars. They care more about spreading a social message than that investment? That's just an LOL for me.
RE: The stock was at $200  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/28/2022 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15742927 NNJ Tom said:
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Its not just Star Wars, Pixar hasn't made a good movie since John Lasseter was forced out.


I thought Soul was good, but yeah, the others since he left not so much.
What are you all talking about?  
Mike in NJ : 6/28/2022 3:46 pm : link
Reva was a super original character, I’ve never seen an angry black woman in a show or movie before! How did they come up with that?!

What’s next, are we going to get a ditzy blonde Jedi? That would be a very original idea too!
RE: RE: RE: So Disney, the multi billion dollar publicly traded company  
Klaatu : 6/28/2022 3:47 pm : link
In comment 15742951 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 15742897 Heisenberg said:


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who is developing these properties is going to manufacture controversy because they'll make more money how?



They won't. They're losing money, especially on merch, just as they're losing subscribers, their stock suffers, and they're having trouble attracting licensees (or licensors. I always get them mixed up), unless they sign deals which would have been financially unthinkable a decade ago.

But the point of manufactured controversy is to deflect from actual criticism and instead chalk up any and all criticism to various "ists" and "phobes." To get out in front of it with the help of their allies in the shill media. We're seeing the same thing with Amazon's Rings of Power, just as we saw with their Wheel of Time.

The "message" (as the Drinker would say) is more important to them than their properties. The properties are only used as vehicles to push an agenda, without any respect for canon or characters. There's a reason why a series like Cobra Kai is universally praised, while Disney Star Wars (or Star Trek, or the BBC's Dr. Who) is not.



If you honestly think "the message" is more important to the corporation than properties, then that's an immediate impasse. They paid like 4 billion for the rights to Star Wars. They care more about spreading a social message than that investment? That's just an LOL for me.


We can agree to disagree, but I have to point to the recently leaked Zoom meeting between some of their top executives, where it was made clear that their agenda came first. You can LOL all you want, but I'll choose to take them at their word.

When Disney purchased the rights to Star Wars, it was like getting a license to print money. Since then they've blown it, and Kathleen Kennedy should get most of the blame.
it has been printing money though  
UConn4523 : 6/28/2022 3:54 pm : link
they already made back their investment at the boxoffice. And this was after Lucas' abomination of the sequel trilogy so why would anyone compare it to that in terms of quality?
RE: it has been printing money though  
Klaatu : 6/28/2022 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15742972 UConn4523 said:
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they already made back their investment at the boxoffice. And this was after Lucas' abomination of the sequel trilogy so why would anyone compare it to that in terms of quality?


They made back their initial investment if you're just looking at total box office numbers. When you factor in production costs, marketing, and revenue-sharing with theaters, it's not nearly as rosy. Add to that the fallout with Hasbro and other toy manufacturers, the huge money pit known as Galaxy's Edge (and their most recent loser, Galactic Starcruiser), and they're hemorrhaging money faster than they can rake it in. It's their still hugely profitable theme parks that keep Disney afloat.

As for Disney+, even though they added roughly eight million new subscribers last year (no doubt many fleeing Netflix), they've never turned a profit, although they hope to in 2024.
I don't think the company actually cares about "the message"  
widmerseyebrow : 6/28/2022 4:24 pm : link
other than not wanting to be on the wrong side of it in fear of getting cancelled, the only threat to their cash cow. But they do have a watchful eye on profitability.

To steal from Critical Drinker: we have now have "discount" versions of Captain America, Black Widow, Loki, and Hawkeye with discount versions of Iron Man, Hulk, and Captain Marvel (hilarious as Brie Larson is a lousy discount actress herself) on the way. They're saving money plain and simple and calling it diversity.
not contesting their business model/s  
UConn4523 : 6/28/2022 4:25 pm : link
i'm stating that Obi Wan or "insert X show/movie" being below your standards aren't negatively effecting their stock. Its still a huge boxoffice draw and its led to a ton of Disney+ subscribers.
I am not going to get into dogwhistle stuff...  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/28/2022 4:29 pm : link
...but I think the series was hastily slapped-together, and to me it seemed like the end-goal was to rehabilitate the Prequels more than tell an actual story.

I saw (didn't bother reading) a few YouTubes and articles claiming that the Prequels were not as bad as everybody thought... and then the first 5 minutes of this series was a montage of the Prequels...

But honestly, that montage ran like a comedy, every scene was just so laughably bad in so many ways. Face it, the Prequels sucked. And any attempt to rehabilitate them will end up sucking as well.

But, yeah, I don't think the creative team even tried that hard. It's like the directive was "just churn out content, the fanbase will consume whatever trash we give them." Bad story, bad directing, bad acting.
RE: I am not going to get into dogwhistle stuff...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/28/2022 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15742991 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...but I think the series was hastily slapped-together, and to me it seemed like the end-goal was to rehabilitate the Prequels more than tell an actual story.

I saw (didn't bother reading) a few YouTubes and articles claiming that the Prequels were not as bad as everybody thought... and then the first 5 minutes of this series was a montage of the Prequels...

But honestly, that montage ran like a comedy, every scene was just so laughably bad in so many ways. Face it, the Prequels sucked. And any attempt to rehabilitate them will end up sucking as well.

But, yeah, I don't think the creative team even tried that hard. It's like the directive was "just churn out content, the fanbase will consume whatever trash we give them." Bad story, bad directing, bad acting.


The biggest beneficiary of the latest crap is that it actually makes the prequels look better than they are.

Don't get me wrong. They aren't very good. But they look a lot better now than they did five years ago.
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