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NFT: Mets Minors 6/28/2022

DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 12:18 pm
AAA Fisher
AA TBD
A+ Santos
A Colon
FCL Acuna


19-year-old Jose Acuna making the start for the FCL Mets today. He's off to a fantastic start to his 2022. His 2.04 FIP is 6th in the organization, and his 12.41 K/9 is 18th (Pitchers with 10+ innings pitched)
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Eric  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 2:38 pm : link
My whole line of questioning is more about how do they “make it up” in terms
Of reps and experience. Do they run him out there next season 40% of the time even if it’s to the detriment of the staff (as he learns on the job?) as for my Scherzer example, I think we all notice that 9/10 times a “personal catcher” for a specific pitcher (generally an ace who is given that luxury) its almost always a defensive dynamo/underwhelming bat and not vice versa. You don’t often see top pitchers “choosing” bat over glove types as their personal caddy
what a weird situation  
Eric on Li : 6/28/2022 2:40 pm : link
olson got 8/168m
freeman got 6/162m (w/ CA state taxes)

freeman leaving the braves off a world series win was nearly tantamount to jeter leaving the yankees. you just don't expect something like that to happen for anything more than ridiculous financial differences.

i know it sounds crazy but i wonder if the 2 teams would just swap them. the LAD would get a player 3 years younger who presumably would have no issue getting traded back to CA.

Freeman has played better so maybe the Dodgers don't want to do it, but they'd stand to save some room against the luxury tax and maybe the Braves would kick in a prospect?
RE: Looked like Freeman  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 2:41 pm : link
In comment 15742875 pjcas18 said:
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was in tears at the press conference in Atlanta when the Dodgers visited last week.

Sort of Wilmer Flores-like. There is a human element to athletes some of us sometimes don't consider (or care about) - and I'm not grandstanding or claiming I do, just sharing an observation.


His feelings sure appear legitimate and it’s a business but it was reported the Braves had very little communication with him once FA began. That’s their right but it’s can understand the conflict he must have been feeling. The Braves were his organization from 18-now and he (obviously along with his teammates) led them to a World Series title, he’s now with a team akin to an all-star team, I’m sure he’d love another ring but I can’t imagine he feels as connected to LAD.
RE: what a weird situation  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 2:42 pm : link
In comment 15742881 Eric on Li said:
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olson got 8/168m
freeman got 6/162m (w/ CA state taxes)

freeman leaving the braves off a world series win was nearly tantamount to jeter leaving the yankees. you just don't expect something like that to happen for anything more than ridiculous financial differences.

i know it sounds crazy but i wonder if the 2 teams would just swap them. the LAD would get a player 3 years younger who presumably would have no issue getting traded back to CA.

Freeman has played better so maybe the Dodgers don't want to do it, but they'd stand to save some room against the luxury tax and maybe the Braves would kick in a prospect?


Who knows what really went down but the way it’s been reported they kind of treated him oddly for an all-timer for that franchise and the money stuff was almost secondary. Maybe that narrative is coming from Freeman but his behavior/statements since then lead me to believe he’s being sincere
RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 6/28/2022 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15742879 DanMetroMan said:
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My whole line of questioning is more about how do they “make it up” in terms
Of reps and experience. Do they run him out there next season 40% of the time even if it’s to the detriment of the staff (as he learns on the job?) as for my Scherzer example, I think we all notice that 9/10 times a “personal catcher” for a specific pitcher (generally an ace who is given that luxury) its almost always a defensive dynamo/underwhelming bat and not vice versa. You don’t often see top pitchers “choosing” bat over glove types as their personal caddy


yes to the bold. you can always replace him late in games if necessary. if Scherzer or Bassitt is just completely against throwing to him you work around that and let him catch for the less significant starters.

remember he will also get another full spring training and extra time to work on all the mental reps that go along with being a catcher which is outside of the game reps. catching fewer games will actually give him less to prep for and more time to be prepped for the games he gets. catching fewer pitchers would also give him less to have to process mentally.

you want an omelet you have to break some eggs. they won't need to force it in a pennant race since they have the DH option but next year there may be some growing pains. just as there may be some growing pains with Vientos.
RE: RE: what a weird situation  
Eric on Li : 6/28/2022 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15742885 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15742881 Eric on Li said:


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olson got 8/168m
freeman got 6/162m (w/ CA state taxes)

freeman leaving the braves off a world series win was nearly tantamount to jeter leaving the yankees. you just don't expect something like that to happen for anything more than ridiculous financial differences.

i know it sounds crazy but i wonder if the 2 teams would just swap them. the LAD would get a player 3 years younger who presumably would have no issue getting traded back to CA.

Freeman has played better so maybe the Dodgers don't want to do it, but they'd stand to save some room against the luxury tax and maybe the Braves would kick in a prospect?



Who knows what really went down but the way it’s been reported they kind of treated him oddly for an all-timer for that franchise and the money stuff was almost secondary. Maybe that narrative is coming from Freeman but his behavior/statements since then lead me to believe he’s being sincere


this is just a guess but since the NYY and LAD were 2 teams in it, I wonder if ATL just figured the only way he was coming back was if he told them that was his preference. They knew they couldn't win a bidding war.

maybe they didn't communicate their respect for him well but they only hurt themselves by doing so because they had to give out a similar contract, to a lesser player, and give up good prospects to do it. so they were incentivized for Freeman to want to choose them.
assume plummer going down?  
Eric on Li : 6/28/2022 3:03 pm : link
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Pat Ragazzo @ragazzoreport
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Outfielder Ender Inciarte has a locker at Citi Field and jersey No. 22. No roster move has been made yet by the Mets


DHing down the stretch  
Snablats : 6/28/2022 3:03 pm : link
Wouldn't take much time from Alvarez's catching development since minors end in early September

He isnt ready to catch in a pennant race
Healey  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 3:03 pm : link
Inciarte has a locker at Citi Field. He has jersey No. 22.
he had only played 11 games before getting hurt but i wonder if mangum  
Eric on Li : 6/28/2022 3:05 pm : link
was closer to getting promoted than we realize? 26 year old plus defender and switch hitter, good contact, good speed. he could have really added something and maybe even made himself a viable potential Nimmo replacement for next year. or part of that solution at least.
Scherzer  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 3:06 pm : link
won't be going tonight... no reason given ugh
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DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 3:07 pm : link
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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News: Max Scherzer's rehab start tonight has been postponed. No reason yet, but he's scheduled to throw tomorrow instead for Binghamton at Hartford.
RE: he had only played 11 games before getting hurt but i wonder if mangum  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15742918 Eric on Li said:
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was closer to getting promoted than we realize? 26 year old plus defender and switch hitter, good contact, good speed. he could have really added something and maybe even made himself a viable potential Nimmo replacement for next year. or part of that solution at least.


Mangum may be done for the year FWIW
Scherzer  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 3:09 pm : link
was spotted in Manhattan today, I wonder if he had tests done which caused the delay.
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DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 3:11 pm : link
Simon Juan with the first 3 hit game of his young career. 3-4, and is now 9 for his last 19 with hits in 6 straight (3 of which have been multi-hit games) again, the overall numbers are kinda meh but he's clearly heating up
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DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 3:13 pm : link
Ferrer 2 innings 1 hit 1 run 0 walks 4 k's, on the season 12 innings, 2 hits 23 k's (he HAS allowed 5 walks over that time)
,  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 3:23 pm : link
My goodness, TB pitching prospect Taj Bradley has a 1.83 era over his last 36 games pitched (35 starts) (162.2 innings)
RE: Looked like Freeman  
moze1021 : 6/28/2022 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15742875 pjcas18 said:
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was in tears at the press conference in Atlanta when the Dodgers visited last week.

Sort of Wilmer Flores-like. There is a human element to athletes some of us sometimes don't consider (or care about) - and I'm not grandstanding or claiming I do, just sharing an observation.


Jose was in tears when he was forced by Mets to Marlins.. similarly an all time Mets great and fan favorite the way Freeman was for the Braves.
RE: Scherzer  
moze1021 : 6/28/2022 3:27 pm : link
In comment 15742926 DanMetroMan said:
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was spotted in Manhattan today, I wonder if he had tests done which caused the delay.


Oh yikes.. I thought you were just being sly with the TBD, but I guess it really was TBD..
RE: RE: Looked like Freeman  
moze1021 : 6/28/2022 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15742940 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15742875 pjcas18 said:


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was in tears at the press conference in Atlanta when the Dodgers visited last week.

Sort of Wilmer Flores-like. There is a human element to athletes some of us sometimes don't consider (or care about) - and I'm not grandstanding or claiming I do, just sharing an observation.



Jose was in tears when he was forced by Mets to Marlins.. similarly an all time Mets great and fan favorite the way Freeman was for the Braves.


2 main differences which make the Braves situation more strange, of course, being that he just won a WS and they went and signed the most similar player they could find for almost as much money. It's not like the Mets went out and traded for/signed Elvis Andrus or Erick Aybar or something..
RE: Healey  
KDavies : 6/28/2022 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15742914 DanMetroMan said:
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Inciarte has a locker at Citi Field. He has jersey No. 22.


He hasn't been called up, has he? Might not be a bad move to call him up for Plummer.
RE: RE: Healey  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15742957 KDavies said:
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In comment 15742914 DanMetroMan said:


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Inciarte has a locker at Citi Field. He has jersey No. 22.



He hasn't been called up, has he? Might not be a bad move to call him up for Plummer.


Looks like Plummer will be going down for him (he's being activated, corresponding move hasn't been revealed)
They  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 3:45 pm : link
also have to make a 40 man move to add him, Locke St. John would be the most obvious removal

Also- not great for the Mets-


Buster Olney
@Buster_ESPN
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About the starting pitcher trade market: the perception of some of the execs involved is that any team interested in starting pitching from OAK (Montas) or the Reds (Castillo, Mahle) needs prospect-laden proposals. Neither of those teams have to move money.
RE: They  
Eric on Li : 6/28/2022 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15742962 DanMetroMan said:
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also have to make a 40 man move to add him, Locke St. John would be the most obvious removal

Also- not great for the Mets-


Buster Olney
@Buster_ESPN
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About the starting pitcher trade market: the perception of some of the execs involved is that any team interested in starting pitching from OAK (Montas) or the Reds (Castillo, Mahle) needs prospect-laden proposals. Neither of those teams have to move money.


they may not "have to" but they almost definitely will. just trying to diffuse the pre-text.
Dom  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 3:53 pm : link
has been terrible but Emilio Pagan has been a disaster for the Twins, his era for the month is now over 8
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DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 4:04 pm : link
According to sources close to the event, only 70 percent of players who attended the 2022 MLB Draft Combine opted to take Major League Baseball’s pre-draft physical. Those who didn’t take the physical have currently voided their guarantee of receiving 75 percent of their future draft slot bonus. 255 players attended the event. Roughly 180 of those players took the physical.



A new piece of the collective bargaining agreement executed this winter guaranteed amateur players 75 percent of their slot bonus in the MLB Draft. Only players designated as “Top 300” prospects were eligible for that guarantee, so long as they took Major League Baseball’s pre-draft physical. The clause was added to the new CBA to help protect amateur players from being used as pawns for teams to either save money or procure future draft picks awarded to them after failing to sign their draft picks. Some have referred to this new clause as the “Kumar Rocker Rule”, though Rocker never submitted a pre-draft physical in 2021. The New York Mets eventually drafted him in the first round and failed to sign him after he “failed” his physical.



As things currently stand, more than 100 players designated as “Top 300” players in the 2022 MLB Draft will still be able to negotiate deals with teams under that 75 percent guarantee. According to sources, most of the players who elected to forego the physical were older players who lack leverage to return to school and improve their draft stock for 2023.
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DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 4:06 pm : link
Pat Ragazzo
@ragazzoreport
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Correction: Trevor May (stress reaction on right humerus) says his follow up CT Scan is scheduled for Thursday and as long as that comes back clean, he will begin bullpen/mound work this weekend

He’s eyeing live hitters by All Star Break and rehab assignment shortly afterward
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DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 4:34 pm : link
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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Roster move: The Mets have activated outfielder Ender Inciarte and optioned Nick Plummer to Triple-A Syracuse.

To clear 40-man space, the team designated pitcher Locke St. John for assignment.
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DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 5:21 pm : link
Looking more and more like deGrom will be back closer to August than "early" July
Wonder what Carrasco’s excuse will be this game?  
CooperDash : 6/28/2022 7:24 pm : link
What a joke - giving up four runs AGAIN in the first to the same damn Astros team.

Cookie broken?  
moze1021 : 6/28/2022 7:35 pm : link
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Carrasco isn’t a high end option anymore  
Metnut : 6/28/2022 8:20 pm : link
He’s 35 years old and 2018 was that last time he threw over 100 innings. He’s a #4 or #5 starter on a contending team and those guys are going to often struggle against a lethal lineup like HOU.

Not a guy you want throw out there in a playoff game under any circumstances.
So when does the Chasen Shreve experiment end?  
CooperDash : 6/28/2022 8:55 pm : link
He’s got to be the worst reliever in he majors.
RE: Carrasco isn’t a high end option anymore  
Vanzetti : 6/28/2022 9:07 pm : link
In comment 15743169 Metnut said:
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He’s 35 years old and 2018 was that last time he threw over 100 innings. He’s a #4 or #5 starter on a contending team and those guys are going to often struggle against a lethal lineup like HOU.

Not a guy you want throw out there in a playoff game under any circumstances.


He had major chemo three years ago. Muscles lose endurance. Probably why Cleveland traded him after the short 60 game season in 2020.
I said something to the affect prior to the season  
bhill410 : 6/28/2022 9:08 pm : link
That this bullpen was like putting flat tires on a Ferrari and it really hasn’t done much to change my mind. Schreve is just not a MLB pitcher / was great when he looked the part in April but it’s now 2 months of just horribleness. The fact it’s Going to be July in 2 days and they haven’t addressed any of this leaves me very concerned about their willingness to do so.
We need Holderman back  
spike : 6/28/2022 9:34 pm : link
Too bad we are wasting Williams here
What were the Mets supposed to do to address the bullpen  
Snablats : 6/28/2022 9:35 pm : link
already? No one is trading in May and June. Next month is the month to fix it
RE: What were the Mets supposed to do to address the bullpen  
Rory : 6/28/2022 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15743194 Snablats said:
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already? No one is trading in May and June. Next month is the month to fix it


this is what I've been saying.

Everyone wanted Andrew Chafin, then people freaked he went to Detroit. Then we all find out he was suffering from a serious groin strain and is just now pitching in games.

Both Raisel Iglesias and Kendall Graveman were over payed and wanted to close, Loup didnt want to wait, Melancon and Knebel huge injury risks. I liked Alex Colome alot but he wanted to stay with Min.

So who do we get?
mchugh was the guy sitting out there many wanted  
Eric on Li : 6/29/2022 10:43 am : link
atlanta got him for 2/10m and he has been solid. he was one of the best relievers in baseball for tampa last year, has a very strong k rate and a very low walk rate and has been 1 of the 20 most valuable relievers again this year so far.

i know many would say graverman wouldn't come here with diaz but cws have Hendriks. so i think signing someone closer capable to a multi-year deal would have been smart given diaz is a FA to be. i'd have opted for mchugh over him all things considered but there's no reason he shouldn't have been a consideration.

more down market corey knebel has been decent and he only got 1/10m.

ryan tepera was another popular name who has been decent, he got 2/14m.

the dodgers signed Hudson for 1 year 7m and he's been very good.

Loup wasn't the best value signing but he was obviously a good fit here and maybe if he stayed that would have continued.

Mychal Givens (1/5m) is another. hell even Brad Hand (1/6m) has been pretty good for Philly.

the bottom line was that they added fewer relievers than they let walk. Loup, Hand, Familia left and just Ottavino came in. If you go purely by the free market values they let like $30m worth of relievers walk and replaced them with Ottavino for $4m and some league minimum guys. Drew Smith and Holderman have been very fortunate developments to this point. and now they are probably going to have to burn some kind of prospect to get a Fulmer/Bard type reliever when they could have just signed McHugh for $5m per year for this year and next.
also none of those guys were diamonds in the rough  
Eric on Li : 6/29/2022 10:45 am : link
i just ran down the mlbtr list of top free agents and their predicted destinations and my memory of who we were talking about in the offseason threads.
Everything Eric said. I will also say plenty of trades have happened  
bhill410 : 6/29/2022 10:48 am : link
In June over the years. Relievers in particular have a more static value (especially 7th inning guys) so if there is an offer it doesn’t necessarily make sense for teams to wait until trading deadline to determine actual market like an elite hitter or starter.
RE: Everything Eric said. I will also say plenty of trades have happened  
Eric on Li : 6/29/2022 10:52 am : link
In comment 15743499 bhill410 said:
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In June over the years. Relievers in particular have a more static value (especially 7th inning guys) so if there is an offer it doesn’t necessarily make sense for teams to wait until trading deadline to determine actual market like an elite hitter or starter.


i think clippard was an early trade in 2015. it may have been early july but it was a few weeks ahead of the deadline.
Im talking about fixing the pen after the season started  
Snablats : 6/29/2022 11:12 am : link
Trades arent made in May/June. They will address in the coming weeks. They have to
RE: mchugh was the guy sitting out there many wanted  
KDavies : 6/29/2022 11:16 am : link
In comment 15743491 Eric on Li said:
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atlanta got him for 2/10m and he has been solid. he was one of the best relievers in baseball for tampa last year, has a very strong k rate and a very low walk rate and has been 1 of the 20 most valuable relievers again this year so far.

i know many would say graverman wouldn't come here with diaz but cws have Hendriks. so i think signing someone closer capable to a multi-year deal would have been smart given diaz is a FA to be. i'd have opted for mchugh over him all things considered but there's no reason he shouldn't have been a consideration.

more down market corey knebel has been decent and he only got 1/10m.

ryan tepera was another popular name who has been decent, he got 2/14m.

the dodgers signed Hudson for 1 year 7m and he's been very good.

Loup wasn't the best value signing but he was obviously a good fit here and maybe if he stayed that would have continued.

Mychal Givens (1/5m) is another. hell even Brad Hand (1/6m) has been pretty good for Philly.

the bottom line was that they added fewer relievers than they let walk. Loup, Hand, Familia left and just Ottavino came in. If you go purely by the free market values they let like $30m worth of relievers walk and replaced them with Ottavino for $4m and some league minimum guys. Drew Smith and Holderman have been very fortunate developments to this point. and now they are probably going to have to burn some kind of prospect to get a Fulmer/Bard type reliever when they could have just signed McHugh for $5m per year for this year and next.


Agree on McHugh, but Phillies fans hate Knebel. My cousin, who is one, calls him Corey Not-able. Guess it may be different if he were, say, a 7th inning guy
i was just going in descending order of wherever they were ranked  
Eric on Li : 6/29/2022 11:27 am : link
knebel's stats are mediocre but he's got 11 saves so i assume he's basically one of their better options. i haven't watched the phillies much outside of playing the mets but they are crappy place to pitch between the ballpark and the defense.

last year not having to be closer for LAD his ERA was in the 2's with a whip under 1 albeit in a pretty sss. But obviously they were a very good team so he wasn't just pitching meaningless innings for a bad team and he's a former all star, so i can see the risk/reward appeal of signing him.

that's part of what made mchugh so appealing too. the fact that he'd put up a really good season on a 100 win team.

the only real objection i had was doing nothing. i'd have been fine with whoever they thought was best and with whatever the outcome was, relievers are hard to predict. not hard to predict needing to do something later if you do nothing though.
this is phenomenal  
Eric on Li : 6/29/2022 11:38 am : link
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Tim Healey @timbhealey
Buck Showalter on Max Scherzer's rehab start tonight: "I was going to send him a ‘Good luck with the Yard Goats,’ but I don’t think he’d take it well. I think I will anyway."


really glad they got buck. his personality is a great fit.
RE: this is phenomenal  
KDavies : 6/29/2022 11:41 am : link
In comment 15743562 Eric on Li said:
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Tim Healey @timbhealey
Buck Showalter on Max Scherzer's rehab start tonight: "I was going to send him a ‘Good luck with the Yard Goats,’ but I don’t think he’d take it well. I think I will anyway."



really glad they got buck. his personality is a great fit.


Lol. That's hilarious, particularly after Scherzer's Rumble Ponies comment
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DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 11:47 am : link
Joe Pantorno
@JoePantorno
Jacob deGrom threw today. 27 pitches. He felt good. #Mets will see how he feels tomorrow.
Degrom  
Vanzetti : 6/29/2022 11:59 am : link
I think the delay on Degrom is more about his UCL than the stress reaction at this point.

Last year he was able to pitch for only three months. So if you figure the same time frame this year, you want him to start for August, September and October.

So end of July is perfect. It will allow him to make ten starts in regular season but is also before the trade deadline in case the worst happens.
I agree with Eric about the relievers  
Vanzetti : 6/29/2022 12:07 pm : link
But I would also add that the underlying problem is that the Mets system does not produce enough relievers.

The last closer Mets produced was Familia. And apart from Lugo, they really have not turned out relievers over the last decade or more.


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