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DanMetroMan : 6/28/2022 9:44 pm
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 11:32 am : link
In comment 15743547 GNewGiants said:
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Rj plays a better lead guard? since when?



You do realize you advocated all year that RJ should lead the offense? RJ is at his best when he has the ball.


I advocated for Rj to have the ball more on a team that had Alec Burks running the offense..

That doesnt mean he is better than Brunson..

Last year yeah because the Knicks had no one who could get into the paint..

With Brunson i want him running the offense and getting others involved and make Rjs life a lot easier..the ball will be in Rjs hands at times and Brunson is fine off the ball as well
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Enzo : 6/29/2022 11:34 am : link
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Rj plays a better lead guard? since when?



You do realize you advocated all year that RJ should lead the offense? RJ is at his best when he has the ball.



I advocated for Rj to have the ball more on a team that had Alec Burks running the offense..

That doesnt mean he is better than Brunson..

Last year yeah because the Knicks had no one who could get into the paint..

With Brunson i want him running the offense and getting others involved and make Rjs life a lot easier..the ball will be in Rjs hands at times and Brunson is fine off the ball as well

just ignore the troll.
RE: And remember - Brunsin  
Vanzetti : 6/29/2022 11:34 am : link
In comment 15743478 GNewGiants said:
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Was surrounded by shooters in Dallas - THJR, Finney, Kleber, Bullock. Perfect for his game.

Coming to the Knicks with JR, RJ, And Mitch - lot of non shooting and lane clogging. Brunson is a better shooter than RJ - will create gaps and opportunities for RJ to drive and kick.

If Brunson signs - his game will be optimize without JR and Mitch. I don’t like the fit with Jalen and those 2.


Brunson is 6'1" and does not have elite quickness or athleticism. Some here seem to think Knicks would be getting a guy who will grow into the next Trae Young. Not happening.

And this entire narrative about his playing better without Doncic is based on the fact that he had two great, high scoring games when Doncic was out in the playoffs. Just really silly.
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GNewGiants : 6/29/2022 11:37 am : link
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Rj plays a better lead guard? since when?



You do realize you advocated all year that RJ should lead the offense? RJ is at his best when he has the ball.



I advocated for Rj to have the ball more on a team that had Alec Burks running the offense..

That doesnt mean he is better than Brunson..

Last year yeah because the Knicks had no one who could get into the paint..

With Brunson i want him running the offense and getting others involved and make Rjs life a lot easier..the ball will be in Rjs hands at times and Brunson is fine off the ball as well


And it could work that way but not with JR and Mitch. I worry that with a lack of shooting - things would be tougher in the lane for JB than it would be for RJ.

I like JB off the ball more. I guess I’m in the minority here but RJ without the ball is not as effective. Now again there will be enough possessions for both to do their thing, but you don’t want a situation last year where RJ became a spot up guy due to Randles game.
RE: RE: And remember - Brunsin  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 11:38 am : link
In comment 15743556 Vanzetti said:
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Was surrounded by shooters in Dallas - THJR, Finney, Kleber, Bullock. Perfect for his game.

Coming to the Knicks with JR, RJ, And Mitch - lot of non shooting and lane clogging. Brunson is a better shooter than RJ - will create gaps and opportunities for RJ to drive and kick.

If Brunson signs - his game will be optimize without JR and Mitch. I don’t like the fit with Jalen and those 2.



Brunson is 6'1" and does not have elite quickness or athleticism. Some here seem to think Knicks would be getting a guy who will grow into the next Trae Young. Not happening.

And this entire narrative about his playing better without Doncic is based on the fact that he had two great, high scoring games when Doncic was out in the playoffs. Just really silly.


First off who said he will be Trae Young? show me please

Second its not based on 2 great games, its based on a great playoffs and a great regular season with Doncic on and off the court. Brunson was able to average 5 assists playing next to a guy who always has the ball
Yeah I’m a troll  
GNewGiants : 6/29/2022 11:38 am : link
Lol. Usually the comeback of someone who doesn’t know shit. But keep thinking the Jazz and Gobert are some kind of offensive juggernauts in the playoffs. Haha
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DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 11:39 am : link
Interesting that Fischer has Mitch's return sounding very likely vs. Katz who has it more open ended in today's piece
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KDubbs : 6/29/2022 11:41 am : link
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Rj plays a better lead guard? since when?



You do realize you advocated all year that RJ should lead the offense? RJ is at his best when he has the ball.



I advocated for Rj to have the ball more on a team that had Alec Burks running the offense..

That doesnt mean he is better than Brunson..

Last year yeah because the Knicks had no one who could get into the paint..

With Brunson i want him running the offense and getting others involved and make Rjs life a lot easier..the ball will be in Rjs hands at times and Brunson is fine off the ball as well


just ignore the troll.


not a troll, just dep back from the grave.
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 11:42 am : link
In comment 15743563 DanMetroMan said:
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Interesting that Fischer has Mitch's return sounding very likely vs. Katz who has it more open ended in today's piece


I wonder if AJ says about Ayton is true and i have no reason not to believe him, they may have a deal lined up with Mitch in case they cant get Ayton..

If they can, maybe Mitch goes in a sign and trade to phoenix or somewhere else
For those of you  
NYG22 : 6/29/2022 11:45 am : link
who are arguing about Brunson or saying they'll be paying him like a star and he's not...

-correct, he is not a star nor do I expect him to be

but, he is:

-tough
-efficient
-smart
-greatly mitigates Randle's inefficiency by providing the team with an actual lead guard
-presence makes it far more likely all the young players achieve success (mainly by virtue to the point about Randle no longer running the offense into the ground)
-fair to expect him to average 17+ points, 7+ assists and captain this young team
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Vanzetti : 6/29/2022 11:45 am : link
In comment 15743552 nygiants16 said:
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I advocated for Rj to have the ball more on a team that had Alec Burks running the offense..



I think we can all agree on that. Getting rid of Burks is a huge plus, given the way Thibs used him.
Ayton was 7 for 19 from 3  
GNewGiants : 6/29/2022 11:46 am : link
This year. Obviously low attempts, but only 23 who can expand to that area if need me. Brook Lopez did it much later in his career. But Ayton’s stroke shows he can be a competent 3 point shooter.
RE: For those of you  
Vanzetti : 6/29/2022 11:48 am : link
In comment 15743571 NYG22 said:
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who are arguing about Brunson or saying they'll be paying him like a star and he's not...

-correct, he is not a star nor do I expect him to be

but, he is:

-tough
-efficient
-smart
-greatly mitigates Randle's inefficiency by providing the team with an actual lead guard
-presence makes it far more likely all the young players achieve success (mainly by virtue to the point about Randle no longer running the offense into the ground)
-fair to expect him to average 17+ points, 7+ assists and captain this young team



Paying big money to non-stars is the road to ruin in the NBA.
wait a second...  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 11:48 am : link
your telling me we arent getting Trae young mixed with Ja Morant?????

Most knick fans seem to know exactly what Bruson is. An upgrade to what we have, a good but not amazing player. You are hoping he is in his prime kyle lowry. The version that TOR got.
I've  
AcidTest : 6/29/2022 11:50 am : link
read a few articles or comments that the Bulls might be interested in Mitchell. Not sure if that's true.
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ajr2456 : 6/29/2022 11:53 am : link
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Rj plays a better lead guard? since when?



You do realize you advocated all year that RJ should lead the offense? RJ is at his best when he has the ball.



I advocated for Rj to have the ball more on a team that had Alec Burks running the offense..

That doesnt mean he is better than Brunson..

Last year yeah because the Knicks had no one who could get into the paint..

With Brunson i want him running the offense and getting others involved and make Rjs life a lot easier..the ball will be in Rjs hands at times and Brunson is fine off the ball as well


just ignore the troll.



not a troll, just dep back from the grave.


Is that really who it is?
RE: wait a second...  
widmerseyebrow : 6/29/2022 11:53 am : link
In comment 15743577 Italianju said:
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Most knick fans seem to know exactly what Bruson is. An upgrade to what we have, a good but not amazing player. You are hoping he is in his prime kyle lowry. The version that TOR got.


Well put. Gotta have some perspective given the history of the position on this team. And one thing that doesn't show in the stats are this guy's intangibles. He was a hell of a leader and winner in college.
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GNewGiants : 6/29/2022 11:56 am : link
In comment 15743580 ajr2456 said:
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Is that really who it is?


No. Sorry to disappoint.
RE: Ayton was 7 for 19 from 3  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 11:58 am : link
In comment 15743573 GNewGiants said:
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This year. Obviously low attempts, but only 23 who can expand to that area if need me. Brook Lopez did it much later in his career. But Ayton’s stroke shows he can be a competent 3 point shooter.


In Ayton case you just have to be willing to take them when you are open. Pull your defender out of the paint. If he can shoot .250 to .300 from the arc that opens up lanes and makes teams guard you up high.
Mitch doesn't give you that and his defender drops down to take away lanes.
True centers outside of 2 or 3 players are an after thought in the modern NBA.
To be clear the Ayton stuff is just trying to read the tea leaves  
ajr2456 : 6/29/2022 11:58 am : link
No actual smoke yet. But all signs point to them anticipating making another move this summer. They didn’t have to make all those moves to get Brunson and could have waited on moving Noel.

The only two players that seem to be available that are upgrades are Murray and Ayton and I just don’t see Murray happening.

RE: RE: For those of you  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 11:58 am : link
In comment 15743576 Vanzetti said:
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who are arguing about Brunson or saying they'll be paying him like a star and he's not...

-correct, he is not a star nor do I expect him to be

but, he is:

-tough
-efficient
-smart
-greatly mitigates Randle's inefficiency by providing the team with an actual lead guard
-presence makes it far more likely all the young players achieve success (mainly by virtue to the point about Randle no longer running the offense into the ground)
-fair to expect him to average 17+ points, 7+ assists and captain this young team




Paying big money to non-stars is the road to ruin in the NBA.


what big money? he will be the 15th highest paid PG in the NBA
If the deal is 110/4  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2022 11:59 am : link
That is not "paying him like a star". Period, full stop. It is a non-point. It is not arguable.

Paying a free agent at the 12 to 15 range when there are 30 starting PGs in the league is not star money. The end.
RE: wait a second...  
NYG22 : 6/29/2022 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15743577 Italianju said:
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your telling me we arent getting Trae young mixed with Ja Morant?????

Most knick fans seem to know exactly what Bruson is. An upgrade to what we have, a good but not amazing player. You are hoping he is in his prime kyle lowry. The version that TOR got.


Yes - that's a reasonable comp.
RE: RE: Ayton was 7 for 19 from 3  
GNewGiants : 6/29/2022 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15743583 larryflower37 said:
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This year. Obviously low attempts, but only 23 who can expand to that area if need me. Brook Lopez did it much later in his career. But Ayton’s stroke shows he can be a competent 3 point shooter.



In Ayton case you just have to be willing to take them when you are open. Pull your defender out of the paint. If he can shoot .250 to .300 from the arc that opens up lanes and makes teams guard you up high.
Mitch doesn't give you that and his defender drops down to take away lanes.
True centers outside of 2 or 3 players are an after thought in the modern NBA.


Agree with this. Not sure if Ayton was told not to shoot them but his shooting stroke is pretty good. No reason he can’t be knocking a 3 down a game.
Just a heads up on what Maverick fans think of Brunson  
Doubledeuce22 : 6/29/2022 12:03 pm : link
they are comparing losing him to when they lost Steve Nash. Thinks he is a rising star and if you look at Nash's numbers his first few years in the league I don't think they're wrong.
No offense to Brunson  
GNewGiants : 6/29/2022 12:07 pm : link
But at best he’s a bottom tier all-star. He doesn’t have Nash’s game.
RE: If the deal is 110/4  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15743587 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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That is not "paying him like a star". Period, full stop. It is a non-point. It is not arguable.

Paying a free agent at the 12 to 15 range when there are 30 starting PGs in the league is not star money. The end.

It makes him the 39th highest paid player in the league which is upper 10% of the league is he in the top 50 of the NBA?
My point is more about the resources to Brunson takes away ability to pay other high potential players and I don't see him more than a 3rd option on a championship team.
I know he had a great playoff run but when he is the #1 or #2 option on this team and teams go out of their way to stop him he is limited physically both size and athleticism.
Dog mentality can only get you so far in a league full of very athletic players.
I hope I am wrong but if he is a 15 and 6 player next year how hard will it be to move that contract for an actual star?
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DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 12:22 pm : link
"Some people in the organization have concerns about an Evan Fournier-Jalen Brunson backcourt"I mean... THEY signed Fournier and THEY are opting to add Brunson... so... move Fournier but again, it's another example of the FO adding players at "good $" and then pivoting, hopefully not MORE picks attached to move Fournier
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KDubbs : 6/29/2022 12:23 pm : link
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Rj plays a better lead guard? since when?



You do realize you advocated all year that RJ should lead the offense? RJ is at his best when he has the ball.



I advocated for Rj to have the ball more on a team that had Alec Burks running the offense..

That doesnt mean he is better than Brunson..

Last year yeah because the Knicks had no one who could get into the paint..

With Brunson i want him running the offense and getting others involved and make Rjs life a lot easier..the ball will be in Rjs hands at times and Brunson is fine off the ball as well


just ignore the troll.



not a troll, just dep back from the grave.



Is that really who it is?


i seen this guy posting about the wolverines, the bulls and the Phillies. if its not him then it might be the only other person in existence that is interested in those 3 teams
RE: Just a heads up on what Maverick fans think of Brunson  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15743592 Doubledeuce22 said:
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they are comparing losing him to when they lost Steve Nash. Thinks he is a rising star and if you look at Nash's numbers his first few years in the league I don't think they're wrong.


C'mon lol. Steve Nash is one of the all-time great PG's. Brunson is nowhere near that.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2022 12:34 pm : link
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That is not "paying him like a star". Period, full stop. It is a non-point. It is not arguable.

Paying a free agent at the 12 to 15 range when there are 30 starting PGs in the league is not star money. The end.


It makes him the 39th highest paid player in the league which is upper 10% of the league is he in the top 50 of the NBA?


You can't assume the deal would be a flat 25m per, but if that is the case, that's outside the top 40 this year. But we're splitting hairs here. Any time you go to free agency, you are going to pay at or above market price.

The cap spike of a few years ago has changed salary expectations and we should acknowledge that. The point remains, he's paid in the middle class of PGs, which is decidedly not a "star".

If the problem the Knicks have is salary woes, the cause is not the midrange salary guy that is consistently productive. It's the players making more that don't impact the team sufficiently. This is an issue with Randle or Fournier; two players who need to be given the ball in their spot to be effective. Actually having a PG who can run the offense gets more out of Randle.

No team in the NBA had fewer assists than the Knicks last season. They had a consistent problem with looking disorganized and slow on offense. This didn't happen with a healthy Rose, but you can't count on a healthy Rose anymore.
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GNewGiants : 6/29/2022 12:41 pm : link
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Rj plays a better lead guard? since when?



You do realize you advocated all year that RJ should lead the offense? RJ is at his best when he has the ball.



I advocated for Rj to have the ball more on a team that had Alec Burks running the offense..

That doesnt mean he is better than Brunson..

Last year yeah because the Knicks had no one who could get into the paint..

With Brunson i want him running the offense and getting others involved and make Rjs life a lot easier..the ball will be in Rjs hands at times and Brunson is fine off the ball as well


just ignore the troll.



not a troll, just dep back from the grave.



Is that really who it is?



i seen this guy posting about the wolverines, the bulls and the Phillies. if its not him then it might be the only other person in existence that is interested in those 3 teams


I’m not a Phillies or a Bulls fan.. lol.

Michigan - yes.
RE: This  
CooperDash : 6/29/2022 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15743396 AcidTest said:
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The Knicks need to draft better. Plenty of teams find really good players in the mid to late first round. The argument can't be that the draft is worthless unless you can make a top five pick.


1,000%

Case in point - Jalen Brunson was a second round pick.

Bottom line is that the Knicks have been both very unlucky AND they suck at drafting. But this is what you get when you hire “names” instead of a knowledgeable front office.
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15743664 CooperDash said:
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The Knicks need to draft better. Plenty of teams find really good players in the mid to late first round. The argument can't be that the draft is worthless unless you can make a top five pick.



1,000%

Case in point - Jalen Brunson was a second round pick.

Bottom line is that the Knicks have been both very unlucky AND they suck at drafting. But this is what you get when you hire “names” instead of a knowledgeable front office.


Actually this front office has been good at drafting and they dont just ahve "names" They have Walt Perrin who ran the drafts for Utah, Aller who is one of the best cap guys in the NBA..
Brunson without Luka  
Dr. D : 6/29/2022 1:03 pm : link
(I know stats aren't everything but) there was a drastic difference in Brunson's stats when Luka was out and it wasn't an insignificant sample size imo. In 17 reg season games when Luka was inactive, Brunson averaged about 20.5 pts and 7.8 Ast. In 3 playoff games when Luka was inactive, Brunson averaged 32 pts.

I'm generally an optimist (though that word and Knicks usually don't go together) and we haven't had a decent young PG in years, so if they sign Brunson I'll hope for the best.
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NYG22 : 6/29/2022 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15743631 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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That is not "paying him like a star". Period, full stop. It is a non-point. It is not arguable.

Paying a free agent at the 12 to 15 range when there are 30 starting PGs in the league is not star money. The end.


It makes him the 39th highest paid player in the league which is upper 10% of the league is he in the top 50 of the NBA?




You can't assume the deal would be a flat 25m per, but if that is the case, that's outside the top 40 this year. But we're splitting hairs here. Any time you go to free agency, you are going to pay at or above market price.

The cap spike of a few years ago has changed salary expectations and we should acknowledge that. The point remains, he's paid in the middle class of PGs, which is decidedly not a "star".

If the problem the Knicks have is salary woes, the cause is not the midrange salary guy that is consistently productive. It's the players making more that don't impact the team sufficiently. This is an issue with Randle or Fournier; two players who need to be given the ball in their spot to be effective. Actually having a PG who can run the offense gets more out of Randle.

No team in the NBA had fewer assists than the Knicks last season. They had a consistent problem with looking disorganized and slow on offense. This didn't happen with a healthy Rose, but you can't count on a healthy Rose anymore.


They had a 6'8" 250lb guy not named Lebron James running the offense into the ground. That changes w Brunson.
RE: RE: Just a heads up on what Maverick fans think of Brunson  
Doubledeuce22 : 6/29/2022 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15743616 DanMetroMan said:
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they are comparing losing him to when they lost Steve Nash. Thinks he is a rising star and if you look at Nash's numbers his first few years in the league I don't think they're wrong.



C'mon lol. Steve Nash is one of the all-time great PG's. Brunson is nowhere near that.


I'm just telling you what I was reading from MANY Mavs fans. Steve Nash's first couple of years in the league he was a 8/5/3 guy. Brunson has only been in the league 3 years. I'm sure when Nash left the Mavs they didn't think he was going to be an all time great and I'm not saying that Brunson will either but just this is what Mavs fans are likening this to.
star not star  
djm : 6/29/2022 3:13 pm : link
stop already. Brunson is an ascending talent and player. The metrics scream this. Even if he stays as is, he's a solid dependable PG. And he's 25. Those guys get paid.

How many great or very important players weren't the most explosive or "twitchy" for some of you to allow for some nuance to the debate? Brunson isn't Vince Carter or Morant. EVERYONE knows that already. The problem in this debate is some of you don't want to acknowledge that some of the best guards to play the game weren't necessarily known for explosive athleticism. There are enough examples to give one reasonable hope that Brunson could be yet another and as stated numerous times, he's already pretty fucking good.

"it's an over pay he's not a star" wtf does that even mean...that's a lazy and jaded Knicks fan take.
If  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 3:22 pm : link
the Mavs thought Brunson was "Steve Nash" Cuban would have offered max and the entire league would have been frothing at the mouth to add him. C'mon, I like Brunson but Steve Nash is one of the best ball handling and passing PG's in NBA history. I actually see a TON of Mavs fans "fine" (disappointed) but "fine" with letting him walk. That's not a knock. Nash came into the league from Santa Clara (a crap bball school) and sat behind Kevin Johnson so they traded him to Dallas. He was an elite level shooter the minute he joined the league (40% from 3 his first 4 seasons), 88% (not a typo) from the line.
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DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 3:43 pm : link
just dug through 3 different Mavs message boards and

#1 I didn't see a single person compare him to Nash or anything of the sort. Some thought he had a "shot" to be a top 10 PG, others labeled him a "good starter", while others think he was (in part) a product of Kidd's system.

#2 Most are unhappy he's leaving. Some are blaming Cuban, some are blaming Donnie Walsh and some are blaming Nico Harrison. Within these groups, some are most upset that Brunson's rookie deal had a 4th year non-guaranteed (which is why he's an UFA now, vs. a team option (they blame Donnie Walsh for this decision)

#3 A few are upset a homegrown guy is leaving them over money, but the vast majority understand it's a business.

#4 A few believe he has a chance to be a borderline all-star and see very little risk for the Mavs since they are already going to be paying a luxury tax as is.

#5 Some don't see how they are able to find a player on the FA that will replace Brunson given the money they have to spend (though some think Hardy will be able to play some PG and step right into some of Brunson's minutes).

#6 Some think Luca (like Dirk) is going to have trouble drawing a second superstar because he's not part of the "NBA elite" group (friendships wise) and is instead a Euro.
Sorry, haven’t been able to find it in these threads.  
CooperDash : 6/29/2022 3:52 pm : link
Did the Knicks get anything in return in this “trade”? Or did we literally give away two useful players in Burks/Noel, plus two second rounders, plus cash for absolutely nothing?
Correct  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 3:59 pm : link
cap room only.
RE: Sorry, haven’t been able to find it in these threads.  
CooperDash : 6/29/2022 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15743846 CooperDash said:
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Did the Knicks get anything in return in this “trade”? Or did we literally give away two useful players in Burks/Noel, plus two second rounders, plus cash for absolutely nothing?


Wow, that’s embarrassing.
RE: RE: Sorry, haven’t been able to find it in these threads.  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15743862 CooperDash said:
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In comment 15743846 CooperDash said:


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Did the Knicks get anything in return in this “trade”? Or did we literally give away two useful players in Burks/Noel, plus two second rounders, plus cash for absolutely nothing?



Wow, that’s embarrassing.


only for you
RE: RE: RE: Sorry, haven’t been able to find it in these threads.  
CooperDash : 6/29/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15743864 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15743846 CooperDash said:


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Did the Knicks get anything in return in this “trade”? Or did we literally give away two useful players in Burks/Noel, plus two second rounders, plus cash for absolutely nothing?



Wow, that’s embarrassing.



only for you


No, not really. These are the types of moves that really poor run franchises have to make. So, it’s completely on brand. It’s embarrassing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Sorry, haven’t been able to find it in these threads.  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15743865 CooperDash said:
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In comment 15743862 CooperDash said:


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In comment 15743846 CooperDash said:


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Did the Knicks get anything in return in this “trade”? Or did we literally give away two useful players in Burks/Noel, plus two second rounders, plus cash for absolutely nothing?



Wow, that’s embarrassing.



only for you



No, not really. These are the types of moves that really poor run franchises have to make. So, it’s completely on brand. It’s embarrassing.


And how is that? they gave up 1 2nd round pick, the other is top 55 protected..

They cleared 19 million in space and got rid of 2 guys who are blocking youth...
The Knicks may get those second round picks back anyways  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 4:11 pm : link
if Dallas wants to get a trade exception for Brunson
both things can be true -  
Del Shofner : 6/29/2022 4:13 pm : link
it was a smart move in my view, but as a way to get out of a situation that was poorly constructed
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sorry, haven’t been able to find it in these threads.  
CooperDash : 6/29/2022 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15743866 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15743862 CooperDash said:


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In comment 15743846 CooperDash said:


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Did the Knicks get anything in return in this “trade”? Or did we literally give away two useful players in Burks/Noel, plus two second rounders, plus cash for absolutely nothing?



Wow, that’s embarrassing.



only for you



No, not really. These are the types of moves that really poor run franchises have to make. So, it’s completely on brand. It’s embarrassing.



And how is that? they gave up 1 2nd round pick, the other is top 55 protected..

They cleared 19 million in space and got rid of 2 guys who are blocking youth...


The way you guys talk about the value of draft picks is amusing.

First, I don’t disagree with what you said. But the reality is that the Knicks gave away two useful players plus 2 second round draft picks PLUS $6 million in cash just to have the opportunity to spend THEIR OWN MONEY.

I get that it’s a move they have to make but, as per the norm, teams have the Knicks over a barrel and get decent players for free (plus picks, plus millions in cash).
RE: both things can be true -  
CooperDash : 6/29/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15743871 Del Shofner said:
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it was a smart move in my view, but as a way to get out of a situation that was poorly constructed


Totally agree.
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