Over the next 7 years, they had 11 firsts and 11 seconds. Now 11 and 9.
It will also be interesting to see if Seals and Montero can play--they have some fans.
Post: Brunson to Knicks momentum is growing.
"Momentum appears to be building. With the free-agency period nearing, the Knicks seem to be in great shape to land top target Jalen Brunson of the Mavericks.
Multiple reports emerged Tuesday claiming that Brunson signing with the Knicks is inevitable, that the Mavericks have become resigned to the notion of losing the valuable guard. Mavericks beat writer Tim Cato of The Athletic tweeted it is “seen as a certainty.” It is believed the Knicks are ready to offer the 6-foot-1 Brunson a four-year deal in excess of $100 million to fill their cavernous hole at point guard.
“I think he would come to the Knicks if that’s the case,” said a source close to Brunson, who has known him since college. “It would be tough to turn down.”"
2024 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to New York (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or New York will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]
keep up with John Hollinger's tweet?Knicks could operate over the cap and retain a full non-taxpayer MLE if they tie this into Kemba's trade which isn't official yet?
keep up with John Hollinger's tweet?Knicks could operate over the cap and retain a full non-taxpayer MLE if they tie this into Kemba's trade which isn't official yet?
He is basically saying make this one big trade with Brunson coming to the Knicks and then Knicks have 10 million mid level because they never technically go under the cap..
Problem with that is Knicks just opened 38 million they arent planning to stay over the cap
I only hope Brunson is a done deal. If that actually happens, the next step is the key. Trade Randle at all costs
Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
When free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources tell @YahooSports.
Thibs needs to find a way for both he and Obi to play 30 min a night and about 12 of those where they are on the court at the same time until Randle builds up his trade value.
Our bench needs to be dominate again with Obi, Quick, Rose, Grimes, Reddish, Sims etc. Brunson is a middle of the pack starting pG. (Need a solution for Fournier), RJB, Randle (bounce back??) and Mitch. They need to be a +/- 0 at least for the year. Seems like we still have too many bodies. (Didn’t throw the old man, McBride or Dukie draft pick in there yet.
The Knicks are including two future second-round picks and cash in the deal to incentivize the Pistons, sources tell ESPN.
So much for all of the people insisting we’d have to attach a first to each of them to shed those salaries.
I was wrong about this- thought it would cost more to move Noel. I’ll miss Burks but this is the cost of doing business. Solid trade here.
What’s the word on Robinson coming back? What’s next?
I also don’t really understand the complaints about Brunson. The reported offers seem fair to me but I’m a huge fan of his. Dallas was also insane not to agree to that 4/55 extension.
Not bad cost to clear up space. And there's chatter that the Brunson
deal could be descending in value, which is pretty great for the Knicks as the cap increases. Whole league basically crossing Brunson off the list of available FA.
Contract or not, I feel pretty confident that he'll be the best PG the Knicks have had since Mark Jackson.
The Knicks are including two future second-round picks and cash in the deal to incentivize the Pistons, sources tell ESPN.
So much for all of the people insisting we’d have to attach a first to each of them to shed those salaries.
I was wrong about this- thought it would cost more to move Noel. I’ll miss Burks but this is the cost of doing business. Solid trade here.
What’s the word on Robinson coming back? What’s next?
I also don’t really understand the complaints about Brunson. The reported offers seem fair to me but I’m a huge fan of his. Dallas was also insane not to agree to that 4/55 extension.
According to Fischer Mitch is exoected back 4 years 60 million, my guess there are jnlikely incentives in there that makes the value look more than it is
I don’t see Brunson as a true point. More of a scoring guard. With Randle and Barrett on the team, they will be more of your primary ball handlers and Brunson will play off of them much like he did with Luka.
And what do you do with Quick off the bench? Another player who needs the ball to be effective.
I don’t see Brunson as a true point. More of a scoring guard. With Randle and Barrett on the team, they will be more of your primary ball handlers and Brunson will play off of them much like he did with Luka.
And what do you do with Quick off the bench? Another player who needs the ball to be effective.
So a more expensive Payton and Burks? That would be fuckin horrible.
They're not paying Brunson 100mill to play off ball
He plays off ball in DAL because he plays with one of the top 5 players in the league who absolutely should start every possession with the ball. Not so, here in NY. He'll be the true PG here and he's outstanding as the PnR ball handler.
Paying Brunson a higher salary year 1 since we have extra cap space (assuming we are not making another move). Obviously that is out of the window if we are planning to make more moves here.
Fournier should be coming off the bench for some instant offense. Put Grimes as the starter and see how he fairs
The Wiz paying Bradley Beal $50 million a year for the next 5
He plays off ball in DAL because he plays with one of the top 5 players in the league who absolutely should start every possession with the ball. Not so, here in NY. He'll be the true PG here and he's outstanding as the PnR ball handler.
Not sure about that. Barrett is still the better player. I think he’s gonna be more of your lead guard.
RE: The Wiz paying Bradley Beal $50 million a year for the next 5
I don't give a fuck who handles the ball. All I care about is that the ball moves and not just that stupid weave they do outside the 3 point line every possession. Move the ball and make the defense work. Find the hot player. You know, basic basketball shit. There is a reason the 2nd unit was much more fun to watch and much more effective than the starters last year. Randle gets assists but he also dribbles like 7+ times or holds the ball for too long. He gets assists because he gets doubled. That doesn't mean he is a good passer. His turnovers and slowing down of the offense are 2 reasons why we get frustrated with him. The attitude was the third. I hope the rumors are true that Randle's role will be decreasing. I hope he learns from this. We are still a better team when he is in his A game. The problem is that it was almost non-existent last season. It isn't Randle's fault that Thibs glued Obi's ass to the bench last year.
The Knicks two biggest obstacles this year are seeing if two old dogs can learn new tricks between Randle changing his game to be more team friendly and Thibs changing his coaching style to fit this team. Barley playing Obi and Randle last year together was just ridiculously narrow minded.
RE: The Wiz paying Bradley Beal $50 million a year for the next 5
seasons...insanity to me. Is Beal even a second option on a title contender?
Washington should have just traded him when they had the chance. The team has been irrelevant with Beal there for years, now you’re going to pay him $50 mil to continue being irrelevant? What is their path to getting better?
They would have been better off trading Beal for a young player and a boatload of picks, you’re probably not making the playoffs either way but at least you’re rebuilding and not paying 1 guy more than 1/3 of your cap.
RE: RE: The Wiz paying Bradley Beal $50 million a year for the next 5
seasons...insanity to me. Is Beal even a second option on a title contender?
Washington should have just traded him when they had the chance. The team has been irrelevant with Beal there for years, now you’re going to pay him $50 mil to continue being irrelevant? What is their path to getting better?
They would have been better off trading Beal for a young player and a boatload of picks, you’re probably not making the playoffs either way but at least you’re rebuilding and not paying 1 guy more than 1/3 of your cap.
I don't know the full details but I remember him not wanting to leave. Did he have a no trade clause?
RE: RE: They're not paying Brunson 100mill to play off ball
He plays off ball in DAL because he plays with one of the top 5 players in the league who absolutely should start every possession with the ball. Not so, here in NY. He'll be the true PG here and he's outstanding as the PnR ball handler.
Not sure about that. Barrett is still the better player. I think he’s gonna be more of your lead guard.
Am I reading this right? You think Barrett is better than Brunson?
RE: RE: RE: They're not paying Brunson 100mill to play off ball
He plays off ball in DAL because he plays with one of the top 5 players in the league who absolutely should start every possession with the ball. Not so, here in NY. He'll be the true PG here and he's outstanding as the PnR ball handler.
Not sure about that. Barrett is still the better player. I think he’s gonna be more of your lead guard.
Am I reading this right? You think Barrett is better than Brunson?
Yes. Barrett is better by a good margin too.
RE: RE: RE: RE: They're not paying Brunson 100mill to play off ball
He plays off ball in DAL because he plays with one of the top 5 players in the league who absolutely should start every possession with the ball. Not so, here in NY. He'll be the true PG here and he's outstanding as the PnR ball handler.
Not sure about that. Barrett is still the better player. I think he’s gonna be more of your lead guard.
Am I reading this right? You think Barrett is better than Brunson?
Yes. Barrett is better by a good margin too.
I love RJ but the gap between them in terms of efficiency is as wide as the Hudson.
was talked about on "Get Up" this morning. The consensus seemed to be that the Knicks were going to greatly overpay for Brunson by giving him $100M. I tend to agree. They seem to be desperate, especially for a PG. More proof of that was their desperate desire to try and get Ivey.
The Knicks need to draft better. Plenty of teams find really good players in the mid to late first round. The argument can't be that the draft is worthless unless you can make a top five pick.
How far does Brunson, RJB, and Obi get the Knicks, even if Obi gets a lot more minutes?
RE: RE: The Wiz paying Bradley Beal $50 million a year for the next 5
seasons...insanity to me. Is Beal even a second option on a title contender?
Washington should have just traded him when they had the chance. The team has been irrelevant with Beal there for years, now you’re going to pay him $50 mil to continue being irrelevant? What is their path to getting better?
They would have been better off trading Beal for a young player and a boatload of picks, you’re probably not making the playoffs either way but at least you’re rebuilding and not paying 1 guy more than 1/3 of your cap.
was talked about on "Get Up" this morning. The consensus seemed to be that the Knicks were going to greatly overpay for Brunson by giving him $100M. I tend to agree. They seem to be desperate, especially for a PG. More proof of that was their desperate desire to try and get Ivey.
The Knicks need to draft better. Plenty of teams find really good players in the mid to late first round. The argument can't be that the draft is worthless unless you can make a top five pick.
How far does Brunson, RJB, and Obi get the Knicks, even if Obi gets a lot more minutes?
How is it an overpay? he is going to be the 14th highest paid PG, how is that an overpay?
and why is it only Brunson, Rj and Obi?
Knicks have drafted well under Leon Rose and Walt Perrin
So much for all of the people insisting we’d have to attach a first to each of them to shed those salaries.
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The Knicks are including two future second-round picks and cash in the deal to incentivize the Pistons, sources tell ESPN.
So much for all of the people insisting we’d have to attach a first to each of them to shed those salaries.
Unlike Kemba, these two have some value as decent vet pieces who aren’t getting paid too too much
It will also be interesting to see if Seals and Montero can play--they have some fans.
Post: Brunson to Knicks momentum is growing.
"Momentum appears to be building. With the free-agency period nearing, the Knicks seem to be in great shape to land top target Jalen Brunson of the Mavericks.
Multiple reports emerged Tuesday claiming that Brunson signing with the Knicks is inevitable, that the Mavericks have become resigned to the notion of losing the valuable guard. Mavericks beat writer Tim Cato of The Athletic tweeted it is “seen as a certainty.” It is believed the Knicks are ready to offer the 6-foot-1 Brunson a four-year deal in excess of $100 million to fill their cavernous hole at point guard.
“I think he would come to the Knicks if that’s the case,” said a source close to Brunson, who has known him since college. “It would be tough to turn down.”"
Im guessing the rights to Maciej Lampe or Frederic Weis.
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to New York (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or New York will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]
He is basically saying make this one big trade with Brunson coming to the Knicks and then Knicks have 10 million mid level because they never technically go under the cap..
Problem with that is Knicks just opened 38 million they arent planning to stay over the cap
Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
When free agency opens on Thursday, the New York Knicks are expected to present Jalen Brunson a four-year offer in the vicinity of $110 million, league sources tell @YahooSports.
I think Lavine is staying with Chicago. Beal has a PO IIRC that he is expected to decline.
I defer to others who know more about either situation.
Plenty of future picks. Plenty of money. Plenty of decent, young cost controlled talent. Time to strike.
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The Knicks are including two future second-round picks and cash in the deal to incentivize the Pistons, sources tell ESPN.
So much for all of the people insisting we’d have to attach a first to each of them to shed those salaries.
I was wrong about this- thought it would cost more to move Noel. I’ll miss Burks but this is the cost of doing business. Solid trade here.
What’s the word on Robinson coming back? What’s next?
I also don’t really understand the complaints about Brunson. The reported offers seem fair to me but I’m a huge fan of his. Dallas was also insane not to agree to that 4/55 extension.
Contract or not, I feel pretty confident that he'll be the best PG the Knicks have had since Mark Jackson.
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The Knicks are including two future second-round picks and cash in the deal to incentivize the Pistons, sources tell ESPN.
So much for all of the people insisting we’d have to attach a first to each of them to shed those salaries.
I was wrong about this- thought it would cost more to move Noel. I’ll miss Burks but this is the cost of doing business. Solid trade here.
What’s the word on Robinson coming back? What’s next?
I also don’t really understand the complaints about Brunson. The reported offers seem fair to me but I’m a huge fan of his. Dallas was also insane not to agree to that 4/55 extension.
According to Fischer Mitch is exoected back 4 years 60 million, my guess there are jnlikely incentives in there that makes the value look more than it is
And what do you do with Quick off the bench? Another player who needs the ball to be effective.
And what do you do with Quick off the bench? Another player who needs the ball to be effective.
So a more expensive Payton and Burks? That would be fuckin horrible.
Fournier should be coming off the bench for some instant offense. Put Grimes as the starter and see how he fairs
Not sure about that. Barrett is still the better player. I think he’s gonna be more of your lead guard.
Most definitely.
Yes but the wizards will never get that number 1 option
The Knicks two biggest obstacles this year are seeing if two old dogs can learn new tricks between Randle changing his game to be more team friendly and Thibs changing his coaching style to fit this team. Barley playing Obi and Randle last year together was just ridiculously narrow minded.
Washington should have just traded him when they had the chance. The team has been irrelevant with Beal there for years, now you’re going to pay him $50 mil to continue being irrelevant? What is their path to getting better?
They would have been better off trading Beal for a young player and a boatload of picks, you’re probably not making the playoffs either way but at least you’re rebuilding and not paying 1 guy more than 1/3 of your cap.
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seasons...insanity to me. Is Beal even a second option on a title contender?
Washington should have just traded him when they had the chance. The team has been irrelevant with Beal there for years, now you’re going to pay him $50 mil to continue being irrelevant? What is their path to getting better?
They would have been better off trading Beal for a young player and a boatload of picks, you’re probably not making the playoffs either way but at least you’re rebuilding and not paying 1 guy more than 1/3 of your cap.
I don't know the full details but I remember him not wanting to leave. Did he have a no trade clause?
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He plays off ball in DAL because he plays with one of the top 5 players in the league who absolutely should start every possession with the ball. Not so, here in NY. He'll be the true PG here and he's outstanding as the PnR ball handler.
Not sure about that. Barrett is still the better player. I think he’s gonna be more of your lead guard.
Am I reading this right? You think Barrett is better than Brunson?
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He plays off ball in DAL because he plays with one of the top 5 players in the league who absolutely should start every possession with the ball. Not so, here in NY. He'll be the true PG here and he's outstanding as the PnR ball handler.
Not sure about that. Barrett is still the better player. I think he’s gonna be more of your lead guard.
Am I reading this right? You think Barrett is better than Brunson?
Yes. Barrett is better by a good margin too.
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He plays off ball in DAL because he plays with one of the top 5 players in the league who absolutely should start every possession with the ball. Not so, here in NY. He'll be the true PG here and he's outstanding as the PnR ball handler.
Not sure about that. Barrett is still the better player. I think he’s gonna be more of your lead guard.
Am I reading this right? You think Barrett is better than Brunson?
Yes. Barrett is better by a good margin too.
I love RJ but the gap between them in terms of efficiency is as wide as the Hudson.
The Knicks need to draft better. Plenty of teams find really good players in the mid to late first round. The argument can't be that the draft is worthless unless you can make a top five pick.
How far does Brunson, RJB, and Obi get the Knicks, even if Obi gets a lot more minutes?
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seasons...insanity to me. Is Beal even a second option on a title contender?
Washington should have just traded him when they had the chance. The team has been irrelevant with Beal there for years, now you’re going to pay him $50 mil to continue being irrelevant? What is their path to getting better?
They would have been better off trading Beal for a young player and a boatload of picks, you’re probably not making the playoffs either way but at least you’re rebuilding and not paying 1 guy more than 1/3 of your cap.
Agreed.
The Knicks need to draft better. Plenty of teams find really good players in the mid to late first round. The argument can't be that the draft is worthless unless you can make a top five pick.
How far does Brunson, RJB, and Obi get the Knicks, even if Obi gets a lot more minutes?
How is it an overpay? he is going to be the 14th highest paid PG, how is that an overpay?
and why is it only Brunson, Rj and Obi?
Knicks have drafted well under Leon Rose and Walt Perrin