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Italianju : 6/29/2022 12:09 pm
Trying to consolidate the threads. Lots of speculation on those threads but the more solid stuff is:

-Expectation is Brunson will sign with the Knicks on a 4/110 mill deal.

-Mitch rumored to be around 4/60 but there seems to be a lot of debate on that

-Knicks have about 30 mill available but can get to around 37 easily.



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thank you  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 12:12 pm : link
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What was the Noel Burks trade?  
adamg : 6/29/2022 12:12 pm : link
Did we receive anything?0
any legs to the  
Justlurking : 6/29/2022 12:12 pm : link
Ayton stuff from the other thread?
RE: any legs to the  
robbieballs2003 : 6/29/2022 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15743601 Justlurking said:
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Ayton stuff from the other thread?


To be clear the Ayton stuff is just trying to read the tea leaves
ajr2456 : 11:58 am : link : reply
No actual smoke yet. But all signs point to them anticipating making another move this summer. They didn’t have to make all those moves to get Brunson and could have waited on moving Noel.

The only two players that seem to be available that are upgrades are Murray and Ayton and I just don’t see Murray happening.
Knicks got nothing in the trade  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 12:17 pm : link
I mean by rule I think something has to come back but it won’t be anything. Maybe a top 60 protected second. Haha
Ayton...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/29/2022 12:20 pm : link
Uber talented obviously, but I am really concerned about maturity and work ethic, especially if he gets paid handsomely.
I dont know the Hornets plans...  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 12:22 pm : link
but if we were looking at RFA guys id rather make a run at Bridges then Ayton i think.
Guess i also should have put....  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 12:25 pm : link
at the top there does seem to be some smoke on the Knicks and Murray, but who knows how much.
Ayton  
Pete44 : 6/29/2022 12:26 pm : link
Why would they resign Mitch, if they are going after Ayton.

I think it is Brunson and they will make a trade for an All Star player, no idea who that player is, but Donovan Mitchell will be tough because of Danny Ainge.
I'm always a Knicks cynic  
Mike from SI : 6/29/2022 12:28 pm : link
but I'm going to be guardedly optimistic that this works out with Brunson. It would be great if we could get someone else to come....
Shit i might say yes if we can buyout Russ...  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 12:28 pm : link
or at least the John Wall treatment where he stays at home all year, ha. I dont want him anywhere near the team. But we can clear a lot of future salary with this and get a pick.


@Bill Simmons
If the Lakers offered Westbrook’s 47m expiring and a 2027 top-3 protected 1st for Randle, Fournier and Rose ($56m combined just in 2023), what would the Knicks say?
RE: Shit i might say yes if we can buyout Russ...  
robbieballs2003 : 6/29/2022 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15743620 Italianju said:
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or at least the John Wall treatment where he stays at home all year, ha. I dont want him anywhere near the team. But we can clear a lot of future salary with this and get a pick.


@Bill Simmons
If the Lakers offered Westbrook’s 47m expiring and a 2027 top-3 protected 1st for Randle, Fournier and Rose ($56m combined just in 2023), what would the Knicks say?


I saw that. My response would be, what are the protections after 2027? If there are none then I would do that.
RE: Knicks got nothing in the trade  
81_Great_Dane : 6/29/2022 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15743605 Italianju said:
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I mean by rule I think something has to come back but it won’t be anything. Maybe a top 60 protected second. Haha
They got cap space, which is all they wanted. Basically, paid the Pistons to take on these two contracts. It's not that Noel and Burks are useless players — they can be VERY useful — but they are useless to the Knicks going forward. Sims seems like an adequate replacement for Noel, the Knicks have several young players who are potential Burks replacements, and neither of those guys is going to be around to contribute to any Knicks team that is actually contending for anything.
I never understood how teams agree to deals for 1sts  
robbieballs2003 : 6/29/2022 12:31 pm : link
With a bunch of protections and then in like 5 years they turn into a 2nd. Fuck that. If I have to wait 5 years for a pick, it better be a first with no protections.
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widmerseyebrow : 6/29/2022 12:31 pm : link
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I would probably do that Russ trade  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/29/2022 12:31 pm : link
myself.
I think a big reason why the Kbicks are going all in  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 12:32 pm : link
or at least thats what it feels like, is because they are about to pay Rj either this summer or next and they know while they can they have to add pieces..

Brunson was the first and i think more is coming at the 2..
if it was like top 3 protected for a few years...  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 12:33 pm : link
i could live with that. If its some dumb thing where the protections get worse, or that BS about it becoming a second i wouldnt.

Honestly would be a pretty good deal for LA. Randle, Fournier and Rose are 3 players who are probably more valuable on the court then Russ is these days.
RE: I never understood how teams agree to deals for 1sts  
Kmed6000 : 6/29/2022 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15743625 robbieballs2003 said:
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With a bunch of protections and then in like 5 years they turn into a 2nd. Fuck that. If I have to wait 5 years for a pick, it better be a first with no protections.


Agree! I was thinking about this yesterday. If you offer a first with a bunch of protections, you shouldn't get a 2nd, you should get a 1st with no protections if it runs out.
I think the extra cap space is a hedge  
Vanzetti : 6/29/2022 12:43 pm : link
Brunson is a young man and young dudes change their minds all the time. Quite possible a charming billionaire like Cuban could get him to stay in Dallas. Or maybe he falls in love with a hot girl and she wants to stay in the Dallas area.

Nothing is 100% until its done. And you gotta have a plan B.

Big problem with Knicks over the last 25 years is they never had a plan B.
Disagree.  
Kmed6000 : 6/29/2022 12:45 pm : link
The extra space is for flexibility for the next move. The assets, the space and these trades are all in anticipation of another potential move.
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 12:45 pm : link

Jake Fischer
@JakeLFischer
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1m
Word starting to circle around NBA front offices of a potential increase in the 2022-23 salary cap. Multiple teams have indicated the cap could raise as high as 10%, from a projected $122 million.
In regard to Bill Simmons' question  
Vanzetti : 6/29/2022 12:46 pm : link
I think the Knicks do that in a heartbeat.

RE: I think the extra cap space is a hedge  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15743642 Vanzetti said:
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Brunson is a young man and young dudes change their minds all the time. Quite possible a charming billionaire like Cuban could get him to stay in Dallas. Or maybe he falls in love with a hot girl and she wants to stay in the Dallas area.

Nothing is 100% until its done. And you gotta have a plan B.

Big problem with Knicks over the last 25 years is they never had a plan B.

I'm thinking it's because they're going to structure the contract with descending value. Helps them maintain some flexibility moving forward
RE: Disagree.  
Vanzetti : 6/29/2022 12:48 pm : link
In comment 15743644 Kmed6000 said:
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The extra space is for flexibility for the next move. The assets, the space and these trades are all in anticipation of another potential move.


What kind of a move are you going to make with 3-10 million in cap space?
I'd want Kendrick Nunn in the Lakers trade  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 12:48 pm : link
in addition to the first to help alleviate some of what the Knicks will lose offensively without Rose (and Fournier to a lesser extent)
wow...  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 12:49 pm : link
the cap going up another 10-12 million is pretty significant. I understand some of the max deals will just go up with it, but still.
RE: RE: Disagree.  
Kmed6000 : 6/29/2022 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15743650 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15743644 Kmed6000 said:


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The extra space is for flexibility for the next move. The assets, the space and these trades are all in anticipation of another potential move.



What kind of a move are you going to make with 3-10 million in cap space?


The offseason just started. There is a lot they can do. The order in which they make moves is important too.
RE: RE: Disagree.  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15743650 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15743644 Kmed6000 said:


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The extra space is for flexibility for the next move. The assets, the space and these trades are all in anticipation of another potential move.



What kind of a move are you going to make with 3-10 million in cap space?

Could also be for a trade where you're sending out less salary than you're getting in return like for example Reddish and McBride + picks for Murray
RE: RE: Disagree.  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15743650 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15743644 Kmed6000 said:


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The extra space is for flexibility for the next move. The assets, the space and these trades are all in anticipation of another potential move.



What kind of a move are you going to make with 3-10 million in cap space?


it gives you more flexibility in a big trade, you dont have to send out 4 players to match 1
I don't believe that the Knicks will dump Randle,  
Kmed6000 : 6/29/2022 12:50 pm : link
even in a neutral trade(we don't give or get assets back). It's just poor business to do something like that. However, a top 3 protected pick in a few years when Lebron will be gone and AD a walking injury.....I think I'd consider that.
Well this certainly could be the reason for the extra space...  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 12:51 pm : link
Jake Fischer
@JakeLFischer
Word starting to circle around NBA front offices of a potential increase in the 2022-23 salary cap. Multiple teams have indicated the cap could raise as high as 10%, from a projected $122 million.
RE: Well this certainly could be the reason for the extra space...  
Vanzetti : 6/29/2022 12:55 pm : link
In comment 15743657 Strahan91 said:
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Jake Fischer
@JakeLFischer
Word starting to circle around NBA front offices of a potential increase in the 2022-23 salary cap. Multiple teams have indicated the cap could raise as high as 10%, from a projected $122 million.


Now that makes sense
Maybe not...  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 12:55 pm : link
Tim Bontemps
@TimBontemps
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2m
The NBA's salary cap for the 2022-23 season is projected to come in at roughly $123.6 million, sources told ESPN. That is an $11.6 million increase from last year's salary cap figure of $112 million.
Jake Fischer sure is wrong a lot haha  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 12:55 pm : link
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RE: Maybe not...  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 12:59 pm : link
In comment 15743660 Strahan91 said:
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Tim Bontemps
@TimBontemps
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2m
The NBA's salary cap for the 2022-23 season is projected to come in at roughly $123.6 million, sources told ESPN. That is an $11.6 million increase from last year's salary cap figure of $112 million.


So Knicms have around 38 if they release taj rather than around 36
Cap Space  
Pete44 : 6/29/2022 12:59 pm : link
I think the Knicks are clearing for Brunson, because I agree Cuban will make a final push.
RE: Shit i might say yes if we can buyout Russ...  
TyreeHelmet : 6/29/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15743620 Italianju said:
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or at least the John Wall treatment where he stays at home all year, ha. I dont want him anywhere near the team. But we can clear a lot of future salary with this and get a pick.


@Bill Simmons
If the Lakers offered Westbrook’s 47m expiring and a 2027 top-3 protected 1st for Randle, Fournier and Rose ($56m combined just in 2023), what would the Knicks say?


That’s a pretty good trade for the lakers to be honest. What other options do they have to actually improve that roster? This gives them 3 legit starters.

I’d prefer to keep Rose but I would think long and hard about this for the Knicks.
This guy gets it  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 1:01 pm : link

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
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13h
I bet when we get the final, actual details of Jalen Brunson’s deal with the Knicks, it will look more team-friendly than it does as 4/$110M. That’s been the history of the last few years with the contracts New York has given out.
RE: This guy gets it  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 1:25 pm : link
In comment 15743670 Strahan91 said:
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Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
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13h
I bet when we get the final, actual details of Jalen Brunson’s deal with the Knicks, it will look more team-friendly than it does as 4/$110M. That’s been the history of the last few years with the contracts New York has given out.

I hope so but I think this might be different because the past deals we were bidding against ourselves.
Cuban is not stupid and will combat any garbage.
Unless it's a 4th year team option or a descending contract starting at 30 million. It's all nickle and dime stuff
I take the Westbrook deal in a heartbeat  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 1:28 pm : link
Knicks are not winning a championship next year clear 45 million off the books for next off-season and add a top 4 protected pick give you a ton of freedom for a big fish next year and who knows you might be able to flip the Westbrook deal at the deadline for more picks.
Per an Orlando beat writer, they're not tendering  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 1:29 pm : link
a QO to Bamba so he'll be UFA
The extra cap room wasn’t because of a potential cap increase  
ajr2456 : 6/29/2022 1:44 pm : link
They told everyone at the year end seminar what the cap was going to be projected at and teams have been operating under the assumption it would be at least $123.6 million
Mitchell Robinson vs Mo Bamba  
NYG22 : 6/29/2022 1:45 pm : link
Pretty difference players at the C position.

Shooting: By virtue of ONLY shooting via alley-oop or put-back dunk, Mitch has a FG % that is nearly unprecedented at 72%. That being said, his unwillingness to shoot outside of a foot and inability to hit a FT (54%) is a killer. Mo Bamba has worked hard on develop a 3 ball and is now roughly league average (35%). He also hits FTs at almost an acceptable rate (69%).

Defense: Both have great length and use it well with block stats of roughly 3 per 36 minutes.

Rebounding: Slight edge to Bamba.

Slight athleticism edge to Mitch. Slight size advantage to Bamba.

Looking forward, I like Bamba a bit better because Mitch is is so injury prone. Other than long term COVID, Bamba has a bit better durability. I also like his work rate off the court in terms of expected development.

Mitchell Robinson vs Mo Bamba  
NYG22 : 6/29/2022 1:45 pm : link
Pretty difference players at the C position.

Shooting: By virtue of ONLY shooting via alley-oop or put-back dunk, Mitch has a FG % that is nearly unprecedented at 72%. That being said, his unwillingness to shoot outside of a foot and inability to hit a FT (54%) is a killer. Mo Bamba has worked hard on develop a 3 ball and is now roughly league average (35%). He also hits FTs at almost an acceptable rate (69%).

Defense: Both have great length and use it well with block stats of roughly 3 per 36 minutes.

Rebounding: Slight edge to Bamba.

Slight athleticism edge to Mitch. Slight size advantage to Bamba.

Looking forward, I like Bamba a bit better because Mitch is is so injury prone. Other than long term COVID, Bamba has a bit better durability. I also like his work rate off the court in terms of expected development.

Bamba now a UFA.
RE: I take the Westbrook deal in a heartbeat  
AG5686 : 6/29/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15743690 larryflower37 said:
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Knicks are not winning a championship next year clear 45 million off the books for next off-season and add a top 4 protected pick give you a ton of freedom for a big fish next year and who knows you might be able to flip the Westbrook deal at the deadline for more picks.

I've seen this concept thrown around in the past
How would you structure the deal?
The league average type shooting is the only thing Mo Bamba has  
Heisenberg : 6/29/2022 1:50 pm : link
over Mitch. Shooting, of course, is pretty important but Mitch is better in basically every other dimension. Mitch has also played more games than Mo Bamba in the same amount of time. Bamba doesn't really have any durability edge.
Is it at all possible  
TJ : 6/29/2022 1:52 pm : link
this Ayton rumor was started by knicks mgmt to poke M Robinson to sign for a few less million?
I ask because the difference between Robinson's and Ayton's value seems much smaller than the difference between their rumored paychecks. Ayton just does not seem likely to me I guess.
RE: Mitchell Robinson vs Mo Bamba  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15743716 NYG22 said:
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Pretty difference players at the C position.

Shooting: By virtue of ONLY shooting via alley-oop or put-back dunk, Mitch has a FG % that is nearly unprecedented at 72%. That being said, his unwillingness to shoot outside of a foot and inability to hit a FT (54%) is a killer. Mo Bamba has worked hard on develop a 3 ball and is now roughly league average (35%). He also hits FTs at almost an acceptable rate (69%).

Defense: Both have great length and use it well with block stats of roughly 3 per 36 minutes.

Rebounding: Slight edge to Bamba.

Slight athleticism edge to Mitch. Slight size advantage to Bamba.

Looking forward, I like Bamba a bit better because Mitch is is so injury prone. Other than long term COVID, Bamba has a bit better durability. I also like his work rate off the court in terms of expected development.

Most projections on Bamba are MLE 10.2 to 13 Millon per 3 for 36.
He has a more complete game then Mitch.
Hopefully Mitch is more in the 10-12 million range but I would rather have Bamba for the free throw and 3 point shooting
RE: Jake Fischer sure is wrong a lot haha  
Enzo : 6/29/2022 2:02 pm : link
In comment 15743661 Strahan91 said:
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does he have any kind of track record?
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