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NFT: Knicks Free Agency Eve thread

Italianju : 6/29/2022 12:09 pm
Trying to consolidate the threads. Lots of speculation on those threads but the more solid stuff is:

-Expectation is Brunson will sign with the Knicks on a 4/110 mill deal.

-Mitch rumored to be around 4/60 but there seems to be a lot of debate on that

-Knicks have about 30 mill available but can get to around 37 easily.



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RE: I usually enjoy Summer League  
Strahan91 : 6/30/2022 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15744546 bceagle05 said:
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but that roster is a tough sell. I love Grimes but we kinda already know what he is. I'm sure Deuce will go off.

Montero is the type of player that I could see excelling in summer league. I'm most excited to see what he and Keels look like. It sucks Rokas isn't playing
RE: I usually enjoy Summer League  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15744546 bceagle05 said:
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but that roster is a tough sell. I love Grimes but we kinda already know what he is. I'm sure Deuce will go off.


Agreed. Less fun than most seasons. No Rokas (not that he was "expected") is kinda bummer too.
RE: RE: Happy  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2022 12:56 pm : link
In comment 15744527 bceagle05 said:
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anniversary guys! 9 years ago today Bargnani became a Knick!



Not complete without the gif...


This will always be the definitive Bargnani gif for me

RE: RE: I usually enjoy Summer League  
robbieballs2003 : 6/30/2022 12:56 pm : link
In comment 15744552 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15744546 bceagle05 said:


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but that roster is a tough sell. I love Grimes but we kinda already know what he is. I'm sure Deuce will go off.



Agreed. Less fun than most seasons. No Rokas (not that he was "expected") is kinda bummer too.


Most summer league teams suck. Last year was probably the pinnacle. Having Grimes, McBride, and Sims will be very fun.
IIRC there was a pretty  
Enzo : 6/30/2022 12:58 pm : link
epic thread when the Bargnani trade went down.
In  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 12:59 pm : link
past years they have had a few more intriguing names (of the non-roster Knicks) or a Euro or 2. Less so this year, I don't really care to see a guy like Grimes, I prefer the "unknown" but that's just me and not a big deal.
More Bargnani greatest  
Semipro Lineman : 6/30/2022 12:59 pm : link
Nice pass to Melo


Playing his brand of great defense
RE: In  
robbieballs2003 : 6/30/2022 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15744564 DanMetroMan said:
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past years they have had a few more intriguing names (of the non-roster Knicks) or a Euro or 2. Less so this year, I don't really care to see a guy like Grimes, I prefer the "unknown" but that's just me and not a big deal.


That's why I stated Simms. If Randle is moved, we become very thin at PF. Taj isn't signed and even if he is, you don't want Taj playing decent minutes at PF. Is Reddish really a PF? Not to me. Simms has a chance to possibly stick if Randle is moved and nobody else is brought in.
RE: IIRC there was a pretty  
djm : 6/30/2022 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15744563 Enzo said:
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epic thread when the Bargnani trade went down.


I am nearly sure I tried to make peace with it.
Brunson  
five5 : 6/30/2022 1:06 pm : link
If he doesn’t sign with the Knicks would be shocked if Rose survives this weekend.
In the two decades of Knicks hell....  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2022 1:09 pm : link
...trading for Bargnani might have been the nadir. No one else on earth would have given up anything for that clown but Steve Mills.
RE: RE: IIRC there was a pretty  
nygiants16 : 6/30/2022 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15744572 djm said:
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epic thread when the Bargnani trade went down.



I am nearly sure I tried to make peace with it.


Coming off 54 wins i definitely defended it, saying ehh 1st round pick will be late
Here's my favorite Bargnani gif  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/30/2022 1:12 pm : link
...  
ryanmkeane : 6/30/2022 1:12 pm : link
still somewhat baffling to me that the Knicks think Brunson is worth that amount of money
Re Ayton  
Knickstape : 6/30/2022 1:13 pm : link
Why are most opposed to ayton

If you went and snagged ayton for some
Sort of sign and trade with any of the Mitch Randle cam pieces

You could run out a fun young timeline and better fit for the team and pieces we have

Brunson/grimes/rj/obi/ayton
RE: In the two decades of Knicks hell....  
Enzo : 6/30/2022 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15744578 Greg from LI said:
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...trading for Bargnani might have been the nadir. No one else on earth would have given up anything for that clown but Steve Mills.

you might be right - but to me it's the Ron Baker contract.

In almost all of the stupid moves they've made, you can usually at least see what they were thinking - even if the thinking was incredibly flawed. But with Baker, it was just LOL hysterical and sad the minute it was announced.
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 6/30/2022 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15744583 ryanmkeane said:
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still somewhat baffling to me that the Knicks think Brunson is worth that amount of money


You mean average startong salary for a PG?
RE: RE: RE: Happy  
djm : 6/30/2022 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15744558 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15744521 DanMetroMan said:


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anniversary guys! 9 years ago today Bargnani became a Knick!



Not complete without the gif...




This will always be the definitive Bargnani gif for me



He clearly altered that shot!

RE: Here's my favorite Bargnani gif  
djm : 6/30/2022 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15744582 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Blocking foul. Brilliant drive to the basket by a brilliantly talented stretch big.
RE: RE: In the two decades of Knicks hell....  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15744585 Enzo said:
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...trading for Bargnani might have been the nadir. No one else on earth would have given up anything for that clown but Steve Mills.


you might be right - but to me it's the Ron Baker contract.

In almost all of the stupid moves they've made, you can usually at least see what they were thinking - even if the thinking was incredibly flawed. But with Baker, it was just LOL hysterical and sad the minute it was announced.


Ron Baker-$9,586,786 career earnings... 14 career starts
RE: IIRC there was a pretty  
Kmed6000 : 6/30/2022 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15744563 Enzo said:
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epic thread when the Bargnani trade went down.


That thread was gold. So many people were good with the trade and saying the 1st rounder had no value. How'd that work out?
RE: In the two decades of Knicks hell....  
Strahan91 : 6/30/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15744578 Greg from LI said:
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...trading for Bargnani might have been the nadir. No one else on earth would have given up anything for that clown but Steve Mills.

And then compounded the mistake by refusing to trade another first round pick in a deal for Kyle Lowry that would've been signed sealed and delivered. Lowry would have been an absolutely perfect fit with that team.
RE: ...  
djm : 6/30/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15744583 ryanmkeane said:
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still somewhat baffling to me that the Knicks think Brunson is worth that amount of money



And I just remembered, that was the 2018 1st they refused to trade  
Strahan91 : 6/30/2022 1:23 pm : link
for Lowry after the Bargnani trade so... Kevin Knox!
...  
ryanmkeane : 6/30/2022 1:23 pm : link
he's a very solid NBA player. I'm not putting my chips in for a guy like that. i'd rather tank again.
RE: ...  
Mike in NJ : 6/30/2022 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15744583 ryanmkeane said:
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still somewhat baffling to me that the Knicks think Brunson is worth that amount of money


Maybe take a peek at PG salaries around the league. This is like complaining about paying big money to a LT or DE, even above average ones cost a ton of money on the open market.
That seals the deal. Randle is going nowhere this summer  
Strahan91 : 6/30/2022 1:24 pm : link

Robert Randolph
@robertrandolph
If the UtAh trade invoking Randle and 5 foster round picks happens. Knicks will sign Drummond for rebounding to go make OBI non rebounding
Ron Baker isn't even top 5 of bad contracts  
Kmed6000 : 6/30/2022 1:24 pm : link
by the Knicvks. Jerome James, Eddy Curry, Jared jeffries, I htink those are the top 3.
Don't forget when he randlomly launched - and missed - a three  
bceagle05 : 6/30/2022 1:24 pm : link
when the Knicks just needed to hold the ball and hit a couple of free throws to seal the win.

RE: And I just remembered, that was the 2018 1st they refused to trade  
Kmed6000 : 6/30/2022 1:25 pm : link
In comment 15744599 Strahan91 said:
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for Lowry after the Bargnani trade so... Kevin Knox!


I thought it was Shumpert and the pick, no? I was opposed to it at the time.
RE: ...  
djm : 6/30/2022 1:25 pm : link
In comment 15744600 ryanmkeane said:
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he's a very solid NBA player. I'm not putting my chips in for a guy like that. i'd rather tank again.


It's some chips. Not all.

We need a god damned PG!!! It's the most important position in the NBA or close to it. We have nothing. Here's a good guy aged 25 who brings us what we need and we don't want him because he would be paid like a league average PG?

I just don't get it. Tanking is a death sentence and we aren't going to be that bad to begin with.

RE: Ron Baker isn't even top 5 of bad contracts  
Strahan91 : 6/30/2022 1:25 pm : link
In comment 15744603 Kmed6000 said:
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by the Knicvks. Jerome James, Eddy Curry, Jared jeffries, I htink those are the top 3.

Yeah the Noah one  
Kmed6000 : 6/30/2022 1:26 pm : link
was about 2 years too long.
Jared jeffries  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 1:26 pm : link
easily one of my least favorite Knicks ever. He was hard to watch.
Scott Layden started this downtrend  
Kmed6000 : 6/30/2022 1:26 pm : link
and I believe he was the one who signed Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson to big contracts. Those are up there too.
RE: Don't forget when he randlomly launched - and missed - a three  
djm : 6/30/2022 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15744604 bceagle05 said:
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when the Knicks just needed to hold the ball and hit a couple of free throws to seal the win.



the fan in the lower right corner gets it.
RE: Yeah the Noah one  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15744610 Kmed6000 said:
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was about 2 years too long.


I remember a lot of us on BBI were LAUGHING when we heard the Wizards were going to give him max... joke was on us lol
Today is free agent day  
Carl in CT : 6/30/2022 1:27 pm : link
And wasting time on Noah and Bargnani. Why?
RE: RE: And I just remembered, that was the 2018 1st they refused to trade  
Strahan91 : 6/30/2022 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15744605 Kmed6000 said:
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for Lowry after the Bargnani trade so... Kevin Knox!



I thought it was Shumpert and the pick, no? I was opposed to it at the time.

Yes Shumpert and the pick. They wound up trading Shumpert a year later anyways for Lance Thomas and a Cavs 2nd rounder
RE: Today is free agent day  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 1:28 pm : link
In comment 15744615 Carl in CT said:
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And wasting time on Noah and Bargnani. Why?


FA doesn't open until 6, what is there really to discuss right now?
I have to make an excuse with the Noah deal  
djm : 6/30/2022 1:30 pm : link
I HATED That move prior to it and the day it was made but a friend of mine I worked with talked me into believing he would be a good fit here in NY. I then came to BBI and lost my mind in defending it.

My initial take was horror. I don't know why I pivoted like I did...sometimes I think I just hate seeing the truth, which BBI was bringing that day.

God what a nightmare of a signing he was. And he all but admitted he didn't even try here. Fucking asshole.
Unfotunately  
Kmed6000 : 6/30/2022 1:30 pm : link
Allen Houston belongs at the top of this list too. He was at least a useful player, but he was paid as a mega star.
RE: Today is free agent day  
bceagle05 : 6/30/2022 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15744615 Carl in CT said:
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And wasting time on Noah and Bargnani. Why?

Just getting ourselves the proper frame of mind for when Brunson leaves us holding the bag.
RE: Today is free agent day  
djm : 6/30/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15744615 Carl in CT said:
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And wasting time on Noah and Bargnani. Why?


It's somewhat cathartic. And hopefully it reverse jinxes us.
RE: Unfotunately  
djm : 6/30/2022 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15744619 Kmed6000 said:
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Allen Houston belongs at the top of this list too. He was at least a useful player, but he was paid as a mega star.


If Houston doesn't erode his knees he would have been fine even if he was overpaid. He was one of the best pure SGs in the league before his body betrayed us all. Like Dan said at least there's some sense in that move while others were completely loony.
Ok  
Carl in CT : 6/30/2022 1:34 pm : link
I see 10 pages and get excited. Most was just BS. No biggie.
RE: Ron Baker isn't even top 5 of bad contracts  
Enzo : 6/30/2022 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15744603 Kmed6000 said:
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by the Knicvks. Jerome James, Eddy Curry, Jared jeffries, I htink those are the top 3.

Yes they were all bad - but those 3 guys, despite their flaws (fat, fat, missed easy dunks and layups), actually belonged in the league and were simply overpaid. Ron Baker was literally NOT an NBA player.
djm,  
Kmed6000 : 6/30/2022 1:36 pm : link
i wanted Noah too, but i remember saying:

1 year-great
2 years-ok
3 years-no bueno
4 years-terrible
RE: Scott Layden started this downtrend  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15744612 Kmed6000 said:
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and I believe he was the one who signed Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson to big contracts. Those are up there too.


Layden is also the guy who engineered the disastrous Ewing trade which was the push that sent them hurtling into the abyss. Instead of just letting Ewing play out his contract, the deal trapped them in cap hell for what seemed like forever.
RE: ...  
ajr2456 : 6/30/2022 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15744583 ryanmkeane said:
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still somewhat baffling to me that the Knicks think Brunson is worth that amount of money


Let’s see how it plays out.

Not sure how he’s not worth being paid #15 at his position
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