NFT: Knicks Free Agency Eve thread

in the history of the NBA...a 2 year 9 milion dollar deal doesn't crack the top 10.

In comment 15744600 ryanmkeane said:

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he's a very solid NBA player. I'm not putting my chips in for a guy like that. i'd rather tank again.

So the Giants aren’t allowed to tank but the Knicks are??

In comment 15744631 Kmed6000 said:

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in the history of the NBA...a 2 year 9 milion dollar deal doesn't crack the top 10.

In fairness, the comedy of the Baker deal was giving him a player option for a second year, Ron Baker? lol

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In comment 15744636 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15744631 Kmed6000 said: Quote: in the history of the NBA...a 2 year 9 milion dollar deal doesn't crack the top 10. In fairness, the comedy of the Baker deal was giving him a player option for a second year, Ron Baker? lol

LOL, Baker had all the leverage.

In 6 games (with or without Luca) was better than Mitchell. Let’s hope that’s the player he will continue to be.

or are the expectations that high for him? Not sure how to interpret it.

I think he was really impressive last year. There's a fantastic thread on him, with film cuts, here

https://twitter.com/FrankBarrett119/status/1542544968581013504?t=phC0KIqVQ8SgF0f3RAgh3A&s=09

“ Many in the NBA see Utah’s hiring of Will Hardy—and the five-year deal Hardy was given—as a signal the Jazz are poised for a rebuild. There has been interest in Rudy Gobert—Atlanta, before the Murray deal, was considered a potential landing spot—while Donovan Mitchell, who has three guaranteed years left on his contract, would bring back a hefty haul of assets. If Utah signals it is open to offers for Mitchell, New York, which has rebuilt its draft war chest, is expected to make a strong run at the All-Star guard. The question seems to be when, not if, Jazz CEO Danny Ainge pushes the reset button.”

In comment 15744643 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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or are the expectations that high for him? Not sure how to interpret it. I think he was really impressive last year. There's a fantastic thread on him, with film cuts, here https://twitter.com/FrankBarrett119/status/1542544968581013504?t=phC0KIqVQ8SgF0f3RAgh3A&s=09

I love his game. There was nothing not to like last year other than the injury.

In comment 15744642 Carl in CT said:

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In 6 games (with or without Luca) was better than Mitchell. Let’s hope that’s the player he will continue to be.

So was Jeremy Lin.

In comment 15744643 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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or are the expectations that high for him? Not sure how to interpret it. I think he was really impressive last year. There's a fantastic thread on him, with film cuts, here https://twitter.com/FrankBarrett119/status/1542544968581013504?t=phC0KIqVQ8SgF0f3RAgh3A&s=09

Also, I am so accustomed to Knicks players shooting 3s but only hitting them on a catch and shoot. Almost every time a player dribbles and shoots it is almost always a miss except for Quick but he annoyed me for so long with his shot selection. Grimes just seems to get it. He knows how to play basketball. And his ability to create space himself and still be able to drill a 3 was very impressive to me. It may not be impressive compared to other quality NBA players but I was impressed based on years of seeing stagnant 3 point shooters.

Brunson put up 21, 4, and 4 against the #10, #3, and #2 ranked defenses.

Mavs are a first round exit without him.

That's a few exits north of Jeremy Lin.

Would make a sign and trade easier

given that they had no problem trading Burks and are shopping Fournier

In comment 15744648 larryflower37 said:

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In comment 15744642 Carl in CT said: Quote: In 6 games (with or without Luca) was better than Mitchell. Let’s hope that’s the player he will continue to be. So was Jeremy Lin.

Lin came out of nowhere. Brunson won two national championships and was player of the year. He’s gotten better every year he’s played since his freshman year of college. There’s no reason to believe last year was a fluke and every reason to think the opposite.

have a roster that has a bunch of young, competitive minded guys like:

Brunson
RJB
Grimes
Obi
IQ
McBride

and without Randle poisoning the cocktail

I am lukewarm on Robinson (esp at the $ discussed) and down on Reddish

In comment 15744637 nygiants16 said:

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Nothing outside of the bigs stuff that seems to have any legs

In comment 15744668 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 15744648 larryflower37 said: Quote: In comment 15744642 Carl in CT said: Quote: In 6 games (with or without Luca) was better than Mitchell. Let’s hope that’s the player he will continue to be. So was Jeremy Lin. Lin came out of nowhere. Brunson won two national championships and was player of the year. He’s gotten better every year he’s played since his freshman year of college. There’s no reason to believe last year was a fluke and every reason to think the opposite.

Relax....
Comparing 6 games against Mitchell is not a reason for future expectations.. read the comments before you defend your boy.

In comment 15744648 larryflower37 said:

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In comment 15744642 Carl in CT said: Quote: In 6 games (with or without Luca) was better than Mitchell. Let’s hope that’s the player he will continue to be. So was Jeremy Lin.

Lin was for real. Problem was he played damn near recklessly by attacking the basket at a relentless pace and his body broke down. Lin's spectacular month was real problem was his body couldn't sustain that level of play.

Brunson doesn't play that way and are we going to live in fear and chalk up every young player as a mirage? They aren't all fake.

I think he needs minutes to hit that curve quicker. He's gonna be 24 at the beginning of next season. I think if he is only getting a couple of minutes a game then it will really stunt his growth. Big men play completely different if they know they are only getting a couple of minutes a night. They are way more aggressive on blocks, rebounding, defense, etc. and along with that aggressiveness comes fouls. They don't give a shit about the fouls if they are playing just a handful of minutes but when they are needed they can't just flip a switch. They become unreliable to stay out of foul trouble.

Jeremy Lin as if he was a nobody before the playoffs. Nothing I wrote isn’t factual

but we're way on opposite sides today.

I'd love to replace Randle with Brunson in terms of this team. Just in terms of watchability. We have three firsts next year. Chances we can land a star with one of those isn't bad!

Not *just* in terms of watchability. Also in terms of winning and the future and getting younger.

In comment 15744680 djm said:

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In comment 15744648 larryflower37 said: Quote: In comment 15744642 Carl in CT said: Quote: In 6 games (with or without Luca) was better than Mitchell. Let’s hope that’s the player he will continue to be. So was Jeremy Lin. Lin was for real. Problem was he played damn near recklessly by attacking the basket at a relentless pace and his body broke down. Lin's spectacular month was real problem was his body couldn't sustain that level of play. Brunson doesn't play that way and are we going to live in fear and chalk up every young player as a mirage? They aren't all fake.

I will Say it again
"you can't judge a 6 game window as his career" not saying Brunson is that but expecting the 6 games to be him for the rest of his career is not a good expectation.
If you get his per 36 last season -18 and 8 it's more than I currently expect and would be a great.

Why would you expect he couldn't score 20 if he's the primary ball handler getting 35 minutes a night?

He's not a flash in the pan

Is an all-star/all NBA.
I want to see a winning team it's been 40 years of disappointment for me.
Same with Rose making all the right decision.
I just don't see what everyone sees from Brunson and I have debated other players on here and been right and wrong. I will be happy to apologize on the game tread when I am wrong might even buy a Brunson jersey for good measure.(put it next to the Lin jersey) LMAO.

Brunson's per 36 numbers aren't going to tell the full story because of the way the Mavs play. In 17 games without Luka in the regular season he averaged 20 8 and 4. The year before in a 6 game sample size he put up 19 5 and 4 and he wasn't the same player then that he is now.

In comment 15744696 larryflower37 said:

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Is an all-star/all NBA. I want to see a winning team it's been 40 years of disappointment for me. Same with Rose making all the right decision. I just don't see what everyone sees from Brunson and I have debated other players on here and been right and wrong. I will be happy to apologize on the game tread when I am wrong might even buy a Brunson jersey for good measure.(put it next to the Lin jersey) LMAO.

It's your right to disagree. It's definitely intertesting. (I really hope you're wrong.) I'm just surprised is all. We usually have similar POVs.

In comment 15744693 adamg said:

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He's not a flash in the pan

I get it but the jump is big to be the man and the guy everyone is keying on.
Playing with house money until this point. I am not sold that with his size and lack of athleticism is going to translate more than what he is now.
I don't care about the money, you have to pay in FA but I don't think he moves the needle.

Windy City.

In comment 15744704 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Windy City.

This seemed likely due to the fact that you heard nothing about interest, visits, etc...

If I knew for fact that Rose and company realized that Brunson is a piece and not a savior, I could really get behind all of this. However, Randle needs to be traded for this to all work.

I think a team of Brunson, RJ, Obi with whomever ends up starting with Quickly, Grimes, Mitch, Fournier, Rose can be a young team and young all-star player would want to join.

However, if Thibs ends up playing Rose/Randle/RJ/Brunson/Taj, none of this make sense.

And Lin was not for real. I forgot which team it was (Miami?), but once teams started playing aggressively up on him, he couldn't hang any more (at that high level).

And that's not to shit on Lin...that was a really fun month and I thank him for that.

Durant asked for trade

It does not speak well of Thibs that everyone wants Randle traded because it seems outside the realm of possibility that he only plays JR 28-32 min/game. I would feel less bad if I thought that was a world where JR played 32 min but Obi was able to get like 24.

C - Mitch 28/Jericho 12/JR 8
PF - JR 24/Obi 24

In comment 15744726 Knickstape said:

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Durant asked for trade

HA HA HA HA

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Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving had no contact with the franchise after Irving opted into his deal on Monday, and a sense of inevitability existed that Durant would eventually ask for a trade, sources tell ESPN. It happened today.

they built over there. Finally, people care about the Nets lol

is an atroxious trade. Oneal is a good defender who is a complete zero on offense. He also has stretches of games where he literally just plays D, doesnt accumulate any stats. I feel like you can find a comparable guy for cheaper then a first AND the right to pay him 19 mill over the next couple seasons.

Then add in that Durant asked out? Might not be the time to be trading picks, even if isnt necessarily your own.

In comment 15744783 Italianju said:

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is an atroxious trade. Oneal is a good defender who is a complete zero on offense. He also has stretches of games where he literally just plays D, doesnt accumulate any stats. I feel like you can find a comparable guy for cheaper then a first AND the right to pay him 19 mill over the next couple seasons. Then add in that Durant asked out? Might not be the time to be trading picks, even if isnt necessarily your own.

One of the more bizarre trade timing I can remember in recent history

What would a package look like from us?

JR/RJ/IQ/Obi/Grimes/Deuce and a lot of unprotected picks?

Someone else can have that loser.

he makes little sense for the knicks. Is KD, Brunson, and Randle making a finals run, lol. KD will be 34 when next season starts, he is going to want an established team (suns, heat supposedly) which makes sense.

In comment 15744699 Strahan91 said:

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Brunson's per 36 numbers aren't going to tell the full story because of the way the Mavs play. In 17 games without Luka in the regular season he averaged 20 8 and 4. The year before in a 6 game sample size he put up 19 5 and 4 and he wasn't the same player then that he is now.

20 8 & 4 sounds like a realistic estimate for Brunson.

In comment 15744794 Kmed6000 said:

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Someone else can have that loser.

I agree. I still think GSW is the model. Build through the draft.

In comment 15744810 adamg said:

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In comment 15744794 Kmed6000 said: Quote: Someone else can have that loser. I agree. I still think GSW is the model. Build through the draft.

Lotta luck involved in that model, but yeah. Look at the 2 biggest homegrown dynasties in the past 20 years and both built through teh draft and had some luck. San Antonio and GS

In comment 15744648 larryflower37 said:

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So was Jeremy Lin.

So glad you mentioned him because he is a perfect example of a team giving a contract to a point guard and then not being able to acquire a star player later which is why Houston was unable to get James Harden when OKC made him available. They had already used some of their available resources on Jeremy

I'm being honest, I agree with the sentiment that the NBA has become pretty stupid in terms of player movement. I'm completely pro players getting paid their fare share (and more) but players dictating where they go via trade has certainly taken some fun out of the league (to me at least)