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Italianju : 6/29/2022 12:09 pm
Trying to consolidate the threads. Lots of speculation on those threads but the more solid stuff is:

-Expectation is Brunson will sign with the Knicks on a 4/110 mill deal.

-Mitch rumored to be around 4/60 but there seems to be a lot of debate on that

-Knicks have about 30 mill available but can get to around 37 easily.



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DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 2:08 pm : link
The Raptors, Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, Rockets, Heat and Timberwolves are expected to be interested in Mo Bamba, per @orlandosentinel
RE: RE: Jake Fischer sure is wrong a lot haha  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 2:08 pm : link
In comment 15743734 Enzo said:
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does he have any kind of track record?


Yes. He’s legit
RE: RE: Shit i might say yes if we can buyout Russ...  
Enzo : 6/29/2022 2:08 pm : link
In comment 15743668 TyreeHelmet said:
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or at least the John Wall treatment where he stays at home all year, ha. I dont want him anywhere near the team. But we can clear a lot of future salary with this and get a pick.


@Bill Simmons
If the Lakers offered Westbrook’s 47m expiring and a 2027 top-3 protected 1st for Randle, Fournier and Rose ($56m combined just in 2023), what would the Knicks say?



That’s a pretty good trade for the lakers to be honest. What other options do they have to actually improve that roster? This gives them 3 legit starters.

I’d prefer to keep Rose but I would think long and hard about this for the Knicks.

Agree. That's doing a huge favor for LA. I don't see Rose and Fournier as albatross contracts. And if Randle can get his head right, his deal goes from bad to ok real quick. Reminds me of when Walsh was desperate to clear room for 2010 and he just gave away good players.
RE: RE: RE: Shit i might say yes if we can buyout Russ...  
adamg : 6/29/2022 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15743742 Enzo said:
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or at least the John Wall treatment where he stays at home all year, ha. I dont want him anywhere near the team. But we can clear a lot of future salary with this and get a pick.


@Bill Simmons
If the Lakers offered Westbrook’s 47m expiring and a 2027 top-3 protected 1st for Randle, Fournier and Rose ($56m combined just in 2023), what would the Knicks say?



That’s a pretty good trade for the lakers to be honest. What other options do they have to actually improve that roster? This gives them 3 legit starters.

I’d prefer to keep Rose but I would think long and hard about this for the Knicks.


Agree. That's doing a huge favor for LA. I don't see Rose and Fournier as albatross contracts. And if Randle can get his head right, his deal goes from bad to ok real quick. Reminds me of when Walsh was desperate to clear room for 2010 and he just gave away good players.


Can Lakers offer any more picks now? Definitely not enough. It'd have to be completed unprotected.
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Vanzetti : 6/29/2022 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15743740 DanMetroMan said:
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The Raptors, Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, Rockets, Heat and Timberwolves are expected to be interested in Mo Bamba, per @orlandosentinel


I would love to see Knicks get Mo Bamba.

Now that's a guy with upside.
Mo and Mitch?  
adamg : 6/29/2022 2:24 pm : link
Why not both?
RE: Mo and Mitch?  
Vanzetti : 6/29/2022 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15743763 adamg said:
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Why not both?


Totally agree.

You can always move one later.

Right now, Knicks should hold onto all the players in their early twenties. They need to increase overall talent level on team. Worry about fit later when they are actually good.
RE: Cap Space  
Vanzetti : 6/29/2022 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15743667 Pete44 said:
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I think the Knicks are clearing for Brunson, because I agree Cuban will make a final push.


Yup.

And ultimately Cuban can make a bigger offer if he decides to keep Brunson.

Katz  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 2:36 pm : link
says the Knicks shopped Fournier but the cost too move him was too high.
Begely saying  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 2:43 pm : link
Knicks have expressed interest in trade talks for Dejounte Murray, some within organization are ibtrigued by the fit of him and Brunson
If Cuban wants to throw the max as Brunson, he is welcome to  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2022 2:44 pm : link
but that would mean they're pretty much capped out as far as putting a team around Luka.

They're paying Spencer Dinwiddie 20 million a year at PG as well.

I don't think they can afford it.
RE: RE: Cap Space  
BigBlueShock : 6/29/2022 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15743770 Vanzetti said:
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I think the Knicks are clearing for Brunson, because I agree Cuban will make a final push.



Yup.

And ultimately Cuban can make a bigger offer if he decides to keep Brunson.

Would it really surprise anyone if the Knicks get left at the alter again? I’m actually completely expecting it.
Begley-  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 2:46 pm : link
Knicks have in fact spoken to the Spurs about Murray
I really don't want the Knicks to bring back  
Doubledeuce22 : 6/29/2022 2:46 pm : link
Mitch at any price tag to be honest. He is always hurt and really is kind of a useless player especially at that price tag. Would much rather see Mo Bamba for cheaper at this point.
Zach Lowe said  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 2:47 pm : link
Mavs would have to offer Brunson 5 million more a year for him to change his mind, basically a max deal
RE: Begley-  
Doubledeuce22 : 6/29/2022 2:47 pm : link
In comment 15743782 DanMetroMan said:
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Knicks have in fact spoken to the Spurs about Murray


This would be super interesting. Murray is an absolute stud. At that point you would think that getting a shooter at the 2 would be the priority over Brunson but it looks like they want both which I don't know how that works.
RE: RE: Begley-  
AG5686 : 6/29/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15743785 Doubledeuce22 said:
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Knicks have in fact spoken to the Spurs about Murray



This would be super interesting. Murray is an absolute stud. At that point you would think that getting a shooter at the 2 would be the priority over Brunson but it looks like they want both which I don't know how that works.

Brunson as FA and Murray in S and T
RE: I really don't want the Knicks to bring back  
adamg : 6/29/2022 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15743783 Doubledeuce22 said:
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Mitch at any price tag to be honest. He is always hurt and really is kind of a useless player especially at that price tag. Would much rather see Mo Bamba for cheaper at this point.


Mitch is a useless player? He absolutely dominated several games last year.
I think the Mavs are effed here.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2022 2:58 pm : link
I don't see how 25-35 mil of Brunson fits

Likely  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 2:58 pm : link
headed to Orlando to replace Bamba but I would have looked into Hartenstein
RE: I really don't want the Knicks to bring back  
Heisenberg : 6/29/2022 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15743783 Doubledeuce22 said:
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Mitch at any price tag to be honest. He is always hurt and really is kind of a useless player especially at that price tag. Would much rather see Mo Bamba for cheaper at this point.


Mitch and Mo entered the league at the same time. Mitch has played in more games. Mo Bamba is not more durable than Mitch.
RE: RE: RE: Cap Space  
adamg : 6/29/2022 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15743781 BigBlueShock said:
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I think the Knicks are clearing for Brunson, because I agree Cuban will make a final push.



Yup.

And ultimately Cuban can make a bigger offer if he decides to keep Brunson.



Would it really surprise anyone if the Knicks get left at the alter again? I’m actually completely expecting it.


If the back up plan is Collin Sexton and Murray, would you be disappointed.
Bamba has  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 3:02 pm : link
similar motor concerns to Mitch as well FWIW
The Mavs haven't paid the luxury tax in a decade.  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 3:03 pm : link
Regardless of what they do with Brunson they'll be paying it but the difference is pretty stark. Despite his reputation, Cuban isn't George Steinbrenner and hasn't been willing to spend like that in a long time.
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DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 3:03 pm : link
Stefan Bondy
@SBondyNYDN
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A source confirmed the Knicks have expressed interest in acquiring Dejounte Murray from the Spurs, as @TheSteinLine
and @IanBegley
reported.
Murray at the price the spurs are asking is cautionary.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2022 3:05 pm : link
Really good playmaker and defender, cannot shoot. You need to be able to hit a corner 3. He's a worse 3pt shooter than RJ was and he's 5 years into his career.
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 3:06 pm : link
Rose and Cam for Murray? with draft compensation obviously
One thing that just occurred to me is that the Knicks  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 3:07 pm : link
have likely known for some time they would be aggressive for Brunson and likely get him. There was some talk they wanted to get Ivey to pair him with Brunson. They missed on Ivey but Murray and Ivey have some similarities so it's not crazy to think that a Brunson/Murray backcourt is plan B
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Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15743808 nygiants16 said:
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Rose and Cam for Murray? with draft compensation obviously

How about something like this with picks going from NY to SA and a 1st from LA to SA. They buy out Westbrook and get off the money next year
Link - ( New Window )
RE: One thing that just occurred to me is that the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 3:15 pm : link
In comment 15743809 Strahan91 said:
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have likely known for some time they would be aggressive for Brunson and likely get him. There was some talk they wanted to get Ivey to pair him with Brunson. They missed on Ivey but Murray and Ivey have some similarities so it's not crazy to think that a Brunson/Murray backcourt is plan B


For me its the draft compensation and if they can get Randle out of here..

If you do a deal you are going to bave Brunson, Murray and Rj all capable kf running the offense and getting into the lane, how does Randle fit with that when all he wants to do is control the offense?

He got butthurt last year when he wasnt controlling the offense and thats part of why Kemba, Fournier, Rj didnt work...Randle controlled everythkng rather than letting those guys cook
RE: RE: RE: Cap Space  
Professor Falken : 6/29/2022 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15743781 BigBlueShock said:
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Would it really surprise anyone if the Knicks get left at the alter again? I’m actually completely expecting it.

His father is a coach on the team and his former agent is the GM. If they can't tamper properly with that advantage, just hang it up, as you're totally fucked as a franchise.
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Enzo : 6/29/2022 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15743811 Strahan91 said:
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Rose and Cam for Murray? with draft compensation obviously


How about something like this with picks going from NY to SA and a 1st from LA to SA. They buy out Westbrook and get off the money next year Link - ( New Window )

the return of McBuckets!! I like it for us - depending on the picks obviously. Reddish doesn't do much for LA (unless he's just in there for cap reasons)? For anyone getting Murray, you're almost committing to paying him a huge deal in 2 years.
I put Reddish in there because the Lakers tried to acquire  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 3:26 pm : link
him at the deadline so I'm assuming there's interest
Murray is a fine player  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2022 3:28 pm : link
But I wouldn’t want him at the asking price the Spurs are looking for. He is an inefficient scorer and his defense actually took a step back last year despite the high steals totals as he was asked to do more offensively. He is NOT Jrue Holiday who is the most respected defensive player in the league according to pretty much every player interviewed by the media who gets asked about the best defenders.
Murray  
ajr2456 : 6/29/2022 3:45 pm : link
Isn’t going to end up getting traded for four 1sts
RE: Murray  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15743842 ajr2456 said:
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Isn’t going to end up getting traded for four 1sts


is this interest legit or is it just hey ill call and see
RE: RE: Murray  
ajr2456 : 6/29/2022 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15743843 nygiants16 said:
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Isn’t going to end up getting traded for four 1sts



is this interest legit or is it just hey ill call and see


It’s legit interest but the price is still too high for them
Fournier and Brunson  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 3:53 pm : link
Backcourt defense is going to give Thibs a stroke
Murray makes sense and Brunson looked good playing off ball.
Murray is a defense/ pass first PG.
RE: RE: I really don't want the Knicks to bring back  
Doubledeuce22 : 6/29/2022 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15743793 adamg said:
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Mitch at any price tag to be honest. He is always hurt and really is kind of a useless player especially at that price tag. Would much rather see Mo Bamba for cheaper at this point.



Mitch is a useless player? He absolutely dominated several games last year.


Can't shoot, can't stretch the defense to the perimeter, terrible FT shooter. There is absolutely no reason to pay that type of player anywhere near even $10 million a season. Just my opinion. Waste of precious capital. Would rather pay Bamba and get a rotational 2 with the remaining money.
John Hollinger on The Athletic...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/29/2022 4:11 pm : link
Doesn't think Brunson will be a good fit in Thibs' offense.
HELL NO  
NYG22 : 6/29/2022 4:12 pm : link
to forfeiting a season (basically, the result of adding Westbrook) for dumping contracts that are not that onerous (Fournier, Randle).
RE: John Hollinger on The Athletic...  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15743867 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Doesn't think Brunson will be a good fit in Thibs' offense.


Thibs has an offense?
Kevin O'Connor has new pod on Brunson with  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/29/2022 4:21 pm : link
Stein. I will give it a listen at gym and transcribe later.
RE: John Hollinger on The Athletic...  
Mike in NJ : 6/29/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15743867 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Doesn't think Brunson will be a good fit in Thibs' offense.


He should read Macri’s newsletter from this morning. Lays out a pretty compelling case for why Brunson is the perfect fit in the pick and roll heavy offense that Thibs likes to run, but hasn’t had the personnel for in NY.
If u trade for murray you have to move...  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 4:24 pm : link
Randle. You cant have 4 players who will be at their best with the ball. Especially when one (randle) thinks he should always have the ball. You would really need replace at least randle with some sort of stretch 4. Or consider moving on from Mitch for someone who can shoot a 3. RJ and Murray attacking would be awesome, but you need shooters to kick out to. Not Robinson always looking for a lob and Randle just standing in the way.
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DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 4:24 pm : link
Juan Toscano-Anderson is unlikely to return to the Golden State Warriors, per @anthonyVslater
not surprising...  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 4:25 pm : link

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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Washington Wizards star Bradley Beal has declined his $36.4M option and become a free agent, his agent Mark Bartelstein of
@PrioritySports
tells ESPN. Beal is eligible to sign a 5-year max to return to Wizards – or sign elsewhere on a 4-year deal.
Getting Murray in a trade  
Doubledeuce22 : 6/29/2022 4:38 pm : link
And trying to convince Beal to come to NY would be ideal, no?
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DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 4:43 pm : link
Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
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Momentum is building toward an imminent Dejounte Murray trade, league sources say. Known suitors are the Hawks, Knicks and Timberwolves.
RE: Getting Murray in a trade  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15743896 Doubledeuce22 said:
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And trying to convince Beal to come to NY would be ideal, no?

This is probably Beal's last big deal he is going to go with the home team max. He is 30 years old and is on the 10 yr max contract
5yrs 250 million or 4 years 180 from another team
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