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NFT: Knicks Free Agency Eve thread

Italianju : 6/29/2022 12:09 pm
Trying to consolidate the threads. Lots of speculation on those threads but the more solid stuff is:

-Expectation is Brunson will sign with the Knicks on a 4/110 mill deal.

-Mitch rumored to be around 4/60 but there seems to be a lot of debate on that

-Knicks have about 30 mill available but can get to around 37 easily.



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RE: RE: RE: Cap Space  
djm : 6/29/2022 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15743781 BigBlueShock said:
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I think the Knicks are clearing for Brunson, because I agree Cuban will make a final push.



Yup.

And ultimately Cuban can make a bigger offer if he decides to keep Brunson.



Would it really surprise anyone if the Knicks get left at the alter again? I’m actually completely expecting it.


I need to prepare for this. I can’t help but feel hopeful I’m such a sucker.
i live in DC and love Beal..  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 4:46 pm : link
but im worried his best days are behind him. He isnt getting younger and the injuries are starting to get to him. I think he is still a really good player but i dont really want to give him 40+ million or whatever. Im not sure he is that level yet and i dont think he makes us some sort of title contender.

That said i will talk myself into him having a few more good years in him and he will stay healthy if we sign him, ha!!
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15743901 DanMetroMan said:
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Marc Stein
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Momentum is building toward an imminent Dejounte Murray trade, league sources say. Known suitors are the Hawks, Knicks and Timberwolves.


Interesting Knicks interest leaked and now being reported a trade is imminent
RE: Getting Murray in a trade  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15743896 Doubledeuce22 said:
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And trying to convince Beal to come to NY would be ideal, no?

I'm not a big Beal fan. I think he's tremendously overrated and has had some injury issues in recent years. If I was the Wizards I'd be scared shitless of giving him a $50M/year deal for the next 5 years, especially after what happened when they did that with Wall
meant "at that level still" not....  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 4:48 pm : link
at "that level yet"
RE: RE: .  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15743907 nygiants16 said:
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Marc Stein
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Momentum is building toward an imminent Dejounte Murray trade, league sources say. Known suitors are the Hawks, Knicks and Timberwolves.



Interesting Knicks interest leaked and now being reported a trade is imminent

We're probably just being used for leverage
Stein doesn't usually  
Enzo : 6/29/2022 4:50 pm : link
mess around. And, FWIW, he's traditionally been pretty plugged in with the Knicks.
RE: RE: Getting Murray in a trade  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15743909 Strahan91 said:
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And trying to convince Beal to come to NY would be ideal, no?


I'm not a big Beal fan. I think he's tremendously overrated and has had some injury issues in recent years. If I was the Wizards I'd be scared shitless of giving him a $50M/year deal for the next 5 years, especially after what happened when they did that with Wall

This is the wrong time to get cold feet with Beal the fire was hottest to move him last year after back to back 30 point seasons. They are in it now but I agree I think the last 2 years of that deal will feel like Westbrook deal now.
RE: RE: RE: Cap Space  
widmerseyebrow : 6/29/2022 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15743781 BigBlueShock said:
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Would it really surprise anyone if the Knicks get left at the alter again? I’m actually completely expecting it.


Of course. The only thing missing from Murray's pic yesterday was him wearing a Knicks hat.
from what aj....  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 4:51 pm : link
has said on here the knicks like him but the cost has been too high. My guess is we are offering like 3 firsts and some combo of Grimes, McBride, etc... Maybe take back a contract like McDermott.

Im perfectly fine with the FO setting a value on the player and sticking to it. If the Hawks trade 4 or 3 with no protections or whatever then so be it.
Agreed re: Beal. Poor asset managing  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 4:51 pm : link
from the Wizards
RE: RE: RE: Getting Murray in a trade  
robbieballs2003 : 6/29/2022 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15743914 larryflower37 said:
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And trying to convince Beal to come to NY would be ideal, no?


I'm not a big Beal fan. I think he's tremendously overrated and has had some injury issues in recent years. If I was the Wizards I'd be scared shitless of giving him a $50M/year deal for the next 5 years, especially after what happened when they did that with Wall


This is the wrong time to get cold feet with Beal the fire was hottest to move him last year after back to back 30 point seasons. They are in it now but I agree I think the last 2 years of that deal will feel like Westbrook deal now.


I asked this before but I don't think it was answered. Did Beal have a no trade clause? I could have sworn he was adamant about staying in Washington.
i dont think he had a NTC.....  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 4:55 pm : link
but the Wiz were never aggressive in moving him and he never asked out. I still think he wants to stay in DC. Opting out could just be part of the process. Maybe he wants to be wined and dined for a few days. Id be pretty surprised at this point if he left DC unless they werent going to offer him the max.

RE: Stein doesn't usually  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15743913 Enzo said:
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mess around. And, FWIW, he's traditionally been pretty plugged in with the Knicks.


What's the salary match for Murray I don't think they want Fournier.
Rose and Grimes plus picks?
If  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 4:56 pm : link
you believe the stories from today, the cost to move Fournier was pretty huge so I can't see a scenario he'd be in any Murray deal. Probably add 2 picks to the bounty for the Spurs just to take him.
RE: i dont think he had a NTC.....  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15743921 Italianju said:
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but the Wiz were never aggressive in moving him and he never asked out. I still think he wants to stay in DC. Opting out could just be part of the process. Maybe he wants to be wined and dined for a few days. Id be pretty surprised at this point if he left DC unless they werent going to offer him the max.

No reason not to opt out either way he is getting 40 million this year somewhere, Washington and do a sign and trade to get someone under the cap for the 250
we might not have to match the salary....  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 4:58 pm : link
we could have 10+ mill leftover after a Brunson signing. You could trade them Reddish and be fine from a salary standpoint.
Giving Bradley Beal $50 million a year is  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/29/2022 5:01 pm : link
loco.
RE: RE: Stein doesn't usually  
Enzo : 6/29/2022 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15743922 larryflower37 said:
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mess around. And, FWIW, he's traditionally been pretty plugged in with the Knicks.



What's the salary match for Murray I don't think they want Fournier.
Rose and Grimes plus picks?

could be. Could be they trade him into cap space if the Brunson transaction becomes a sign-and-trade involving Detroit. Or a potential Murray trade could even involve the already agreed to Detroit trade. None of these moves are "final". Knicks could operate as an over the cap team or under the cap. Lots of moving parts....
RE: i dont think he had a NTC.....  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15743921 Italianju said:
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but the Wiz were never aggressive in moving him and he never asked out. I still think he wants to stay in DC. Opting out could just be part of the process. Maybe he wants to be wined and dined for a few days. Id be pretty surprised at this point if he left DC unless they werent going to offer him the max.


248 over 5 from the Wizards, 4 for 184 from anybody else. He'd be pretty loco to pass on 64 million more guaranteed.
Bondy  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 5:09 pm : link
Brunson, according to a source, is viewed by at least one high-ranking member of the Knicks as a top-10 NBA point guard. It’s a reasonable assessment, but hardly a given that will translate to NYK without the spacing provided by the Mavericks system and personnel.

He’s a proven winner (two-time NCAA champion) and a dependable personality, which is significant for a franchise that seems perpetually unstable. Brunson provides something the Knicks backcourt has sorely missed – a facilitator and playmaker who can create shots for himself and thrive with ball screens.

His defense is suspect, however. Opposing teams often targeted Brunson, who isn’t an elite athlete, which makes a backcourt with Evan Fournier troubling, especially with Tom Thibodeau’s defensive demands.
NY or ATL for Murray  
ajr2456 : 6/29/2022 5:09 pm : link
From a non Knicks source
RE: NY or ATL for Murray  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/29/2022 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15743940 ajr2456 said:
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From a non Knicks source


The plot thickens.
RE: NY or ATL for Murray  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15743940 ajr2456 said:
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From a non Knicks source

Very nice
2 years at 16 million per gives you options to flip if a star comes free
Does a Murray deal  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 5:15 pm : link
Give Brunson cold feet?
I know ive said i dont love the fit...  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 5:16 pm : link
today, but screw it. Murray is a really good player who like Brunson is just coming into his own. I know PER isnt perfect (pun intended) but he was 15th in the league. He is only 25. And you get a trial period with him since you dont have to sign him to an extension.

Grab murray, bring back mitch, move randle and get a stretch 4. You know who would fit well, Porzingis, lol.
RE: Does a Murray deal  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15743945 larryflower37 said:
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Give Brunson cold feet?

If they actually trade for him, there's no way he wasn't privy to their plans and signed off on it
RE: Does a Murray deal  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15743945 larryflower37 said:
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Give Brunson cold feet?


If i am Brunson i am happy, takes a ton of pressure off of him
ATL it is  
ajr2456 : 6/29/2022 5:17 pm : link
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Murray to Atlanta  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 5:17 pm : link
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If we somehow landed Murray  
widmerseyebrow : 6/29/2022 5:18 pm : link
any chance NYK passes on Brunson?
Murray  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 5:18 pm : link
is a Hawk

Adrian Wojnarowski
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The Atlanta Hawks are trading Danilo Gallinari and multiple first-round picks to the San Antonio Spurs for All-Star guard Dejounte Murray, sources tell ESPN.
I know we focus on teams wanting Murray but  
robbieballs2003 : 6/29/2022 5:18 pm : link
why is SA willing to trade him?
Pretty clear that the Knicks were just being used  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 5:18 pm : link
for leverage. All of the reports on the same day about their interest just before he's dealt to Atlanta
3 firsts  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 5:19 pm : link
and 1 pick swap
Wow  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 5:19 pm : link
That's a tough back court in ATL.
Murray can set up Young all-day
3 firsts and a swap.  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 5:19 pm : link
Knicks could've have easily beaten that offer if they wanted to
welp there goes that  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 5:20 pm : link
..
RE: Wow  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15743956 larryflower37 said:
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That's a tough back court in ATL.
Murray can set up Young all-day

I'm not sure I love the fit. Trae's usage is very high and he's at his best with the ball in his hands, making things happen. I'm sure they'll figure it out but on paper it doesn't seem perfect
Murray can't shoot, inefficient scorer  
widmerseyebrow : 6/29/2022 5:22 pm : link
Knicks dodged a bullet.







:)
sorta odd how the Spurs  
Enzo : 6/29/2022 5:22 pm : link
prioritized the picks as Gallo is just cap filler. My guess is the Knicks didn't want to mess around with sending out too many unprotected picks.
One  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2022 5:22 pm : link
of the picks is probably a Knicks pick actually. Hawks own Charlotte's pick that came from the Knicks.
RE: I know we focus on teams wanting Murray but  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2022 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15743953 robbieballs2003 said:
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why is SA willing to trade him?


Next year's draft has what most see as a generational player at the top.
RE: RE: Wow  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15743960 Strahan91 said:
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That's a tough back court in ATL.
Murray can set up Young all-day


I'm not sure I love the fit. Trae's usage is very high and he's at his best with the ball in his hands, making things happen. I'm sure they'll figure it out but on paper it doesn't seem perfect

IDK Murray is a solid penetrator and kick guy.
Plus he does the dirty work like rebounds and defense that young doesn't.
He definitely can give young some space and keep him fresh
Its clear  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2022 5:24 pm : link
the Knicks are trying to upgrade the 2 guard position
RE: RE: I know we focus on teams wanting Murray but  
robbieballs2003 : 6/29/2022 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15743966 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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why is SA willing to trade him?



Next year's draft has what most see as a generational player at the top.


No offense but what does that have to do with trading Murray? I you saying SA is gonna tank like they did for Duncan? Lol
Trae needs to watch Steph tapes  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2022 5:25 pm : link
and try to replicate that off-ball movement. Murray should allow him to do that.

If Trae doesn't do that, then this fit will look kind of shaky. But if I were a Hawks fan, I'm happy at the thought of Trae being able to grow his off-ball game.
bummer...  
Italianju : 6/29/2022 5:25 pm : link
but again since yesterday ive said the fit wasnt the best for us. That said he is a really good player and im not sure how many really good players will be available this offseason.

RE: RE: I know we focus on teams wanting Murray but  
Strahan91 : 6/29/2022 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15743966 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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why is SA willing to trade him?



Next year's draft has what most see as a generational player at the top.

I don't think that's the only reason. It's a nice goal but with the flattened lottery odds at only 14%, it's far from a given. Murray's value is probably higher than it'll ever be right now with 2 years left on his deal coming off a breakout season. He's going to opt out after this deal and they risk losing him for nothing because the only extension they can offer him is like $22M/year which there's no way he'd take.
RE: Its clear  
larryflower37 : 6/29/2022 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15743968 nygiants16 said:
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the Knicks are trying to upgrade the 2 guard position

Sexton?
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