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NFT: Mets Minors 6/30/2022

DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 10:57 am
AAA TBD
AA TBD
A+ Zwack
A TBD
FCL TBD


AAA
Lee 2-3, BB, 2b
Vientos 1-4, HR, BB, K
Nogo 2 perfect 2 k's (gotta believe we see him soonish)
Otanez 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 1 k


AA
McIIwain 1-5, 2B, K
Alvarez 1-4 HR (2 errors)
Mauricio 3-4, K (he was picked off twice)
Baty 0-3, BB, 2 k's (also committed an error)
Senger 2-4, 2 k's
Scherzer 4.2 innings 4 hits 2 runs 1 walk 8 k's (touched 97)
Nunez 1 inning 2 hits 0 runs 0 walks 1 k

A+
Newton 2-3, 2B
Schwartz 1-3, 2b, K
Palmer 0-3, BB, 2 k's
Vasil 3.2 innings 6 hits 5 runs 2 walks 7 k's (Stinker for Vasil, but he still struck out 7 over 3.2 innings. He's been "fine/solid" with BK (3.85 FIP/3.52 xFIP and still missing bats)
Krauza pro-debut 1 perfect

St. Lucie
Ramirez 2-3
Consuegra 1-3
Dominguez 1-3, HR
Tilien 1-2
Scott 5 innings 4 hits 3 runs 3 walks 6 k's (Most underrated performer in @mets system this season (limited SSS for sure) is...Christian Scott u He now leads the organization in FIP (30+ innings) 2.64 and #2 in K/9 13.50. Considering he was a RP in college... interesting #Mets )

DSL
Baez 0-4
Fanas 1-4, K
Re: Christian Scott  
Vanzetti : 6/30/2022 11:25 am : link
Is it just me or did the Mets do really well with these mid-round college pitchers the last few drafts?

I'm not saying they picked a bunch of Mike Hamptons but it seems like a lot more interesting pitchers than I can ever recall.
Did I read  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2022 11:28 am : link
correctly that Consuegra was caught stealing and picked off?

lol. it seems like this is the 3rd or 4th time he was PO'd and CS in the same game.
So  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 11:28 am : link
far it's only a 2021 thing (Vasil/Scott/Seymour). Can't think of any examples in the previous 2 drafts (2020 only 5 rounds, 2019 nobody comes to mind)
RE: Did I read  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 11:29 am : link
In comment 15744445 pjcas18 said:
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correctly that Consuegra was caught stealing and picked off?

lol. it seems like this is the 3rd or 4th time he was PO'd and CS in the same game.


He's toolsy as all hell (arguably the best OF arm in the system, plus speed) but he's routinely been hurt and it's been said he's not the most instinctual player. I've heard him compared to a "lesser" Carlos Gomez.
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Vanzetti : 6/30/2022 11:37 am : link
In comment 15744446 DanMetroMan said:
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far it's only a 2021 thing (Vasil/Scott/Seymour). Can't think of any examples in the previous 2 drafts (2020 only 5 rounds, 2019 nobody comes to mind)


I would put Zwack in there too
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Vanzetti : 6/30/2022 11:40 am : link
In comment 15744463 Vanzetti said:
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far it's only a 2021 thing (Vasil/Scott/Seymour). Can't think of any examples in the previous 2 drafts (2020 only 5 rounds, 2019 nobody comes to mind)



I would put Zwack in there too


Hamel, too. Though I guess you could say third round is not really mid round. But still a good pick of a college pitcher in that same 2021 draft.
RE: RE: So  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 11:42 am : link
In comment 15744463 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15744446 DanMetroMan said:


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far it's only a 2021 thing (Vasil/Scott/Seymour). Can't think of any examples in the previous 2 drafts (2020 only 5 rounds, 2019 nobody comes to mind)



I would put Zwack in there too


Zwack is almost certainly an RP (despite starting now). 90-92 on the FB, funky delivery, really a 2 pitch guy. Could be a big leaguer but probably not a SP.
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DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 11:45 am : link
In comment 15744468 Vanzetti said:
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far it's only a 2021 thing (Vasil/Scott/Seymour). Can't think of any examples in the previous 2 drafts (2020 only 5 rounds, 2019 nobody comes to mind)



I would put Zwack in there too



Hamel, too. Though I guess you could say third round is not really mid round. But still a good pick of a college pitcher in that same 2021 draft.


Hamel was a good pick but 3rd round is still considered a "high pick". Most draft writers consider top 100 picks to be "high picks". Hamel went 83rd
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 11:48 am : link
went back to 2019, nobody of note, in fact, mostly punted picks because they invested so much into Allan.


Round 11: Jordan Martinson, LHP, Dallas Baptist (TX)
Round 12: Antoine Duplantis, CF, LSU (LA)
Round 13: Blaine McIntosh, CF, Sycamore High School (Pleasant View, Tennessee)
Round 14: Kennie Taylor, CF, Duke (NC), Signed
Round 15: Mitch Ragan, RHP, Creighton (NE), Signed
Round 16: Nic Gaddis, 3B, Jacksonville State (AL), Signed
Round 17: Dan Goggin, RHP, Jamed Madison University (VA), Signed
Round 18: Tanner Murphy, CF, University of North Florida (FA), Signed
Round 19: Hunter Parsons, RHP, Maryland (MD)
Round 20: Matt O’Neill, C, Pennsylvania (PA), Signed
Round 21: Branden Fryman, SS, Samford University (AL), Signed
Round 22: Jace Beck, RHP, Blanchard High School (Tuttle, Oklahoma)
Round 23: Nick MacDonald, RHP, Florida International (FL), Signed
Round 24: Hunter Barco, LHP, The Bolles School (Jacksonville, Florida)
Round 25: Joseph Charles, RHP, TNXL Academy (Celebration, Florida)
Round 26: Mitchell Senger, LHP, Stetson University (FL), Signed
Round 27: Dalton Fowler, LHP, Northwest Mississippi College
Round 28: Jake Ortega, C, CSU Bakersfield (CA), Signed
Round 29: LT Struble, CF, Felician College (NJ), Signed
Round 30: Justin Lasko, RHP, University of Massachusetts Amherst (MA), Signed
Round 31: Andrew Edwards, LHP, New Mexico State (NM), Signed
Round 32: Cole Gordon, RHP, Mississippi State (MS)
Round 33: Cole Kleszcz, OF, Azusa Pacific University (CA), Signed
Round 34: Ryan Shinn, OF, Kentucky (KY), Signed
Round 35: Daniel Maldonado, CF, Carlos Beltran Baseball Academy (PR)
Round 36: Tucker Flint, RF, Bishop Hendricken School (East Greenwich, Rhode Island)
Round 37: Dilan Lawson, RHP, Madison County High School (Madison, Florida)
Round 38: Casey Slattery, 1B, Glendale College (CA)
Round 39: Nick Conti, 2B, Eckerd College (FL), Signed
Round 40: Camden Lovrich, RHP, Trinity Presbyterian High School (Pike Road, Alabama)
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DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 11:49 am : link
still kind of like Gordon (TJ and all) and Beck is 6'9 so that's fun, but that was basically the "Allan" draft (they took Baty first but that's not where the money went).
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DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 11:55 am : link
Simon Juan is ALIVE! 2-2 (after 1 inning of play!). He now has 4 multi-hit games over his last 6 games, Sarmiento 1-2, Yohairo Cuevas (500K last year and born in NYC) quietly has his average up to .300
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DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 12:42 pm : link
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Dan  
allstarjim : 6/30/2022 2:12 pm : link
Anything in Alvarez's periphals that suggest he's not ready for promotion to AAA?

My ideal situation is he gets promoted ASAP, rakes over the next couple of months and is promoted Sep 1 to the big club.

And yeah, I'm promoting him to at least Nido's role.

I haven't been as excited about a prospect since Reyes.
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 3:11 pm : link
In comment 15744686 allstarjim said:
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Anything in Alvarez's periphals that suggest he's not ready for promotion to AAA?

My ideal situation is he gets promoted ASAP, rakes over the next couple of months and is promoted Sep 1 to the big club.

And yeah, I'm promoting him to at least Nido's role.

I haven't been as excited about a prospect since Reyes.


Nada. He's ready for AAA, he's almost certainly not ready to catch Scherzer and co. in key games but I suspect he'd their primary DH come September UNLESS they swing a deal for a bat before then. I went back through the top C prospects to come up over the last decade or so a Alvarez and his 130 games caught would represent the lowest I've found other than Rutschman (112) BUT Rutschman caught 185 college games (+55 in AAA) so it's apples and oranges.
1-2  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 3:12 pm : link
innings for deGrom's first rehab start and that he'll need 3 or 4 before he's deemed ready.
Good if true  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2022 4:37 pm : link
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NEWS: According to @martinonyc
, the #Mets will look to trade for a designated hitter & bullpen help before the trade deadline. However, they will not trade any "high end prospects."

Martino mentions Charlie Blackmon & Josh Bell as potential fits for the DH role. #LGM
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DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 4:44 pm : link
AAA TBD
AA Vargas
A+ Zwack
A Atencio (The 20 year old Atencio has stuck out 14 over his last 9.2 innings pitched and 24 over his last 18.2)
1b again for Vientos  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2022 5:18 pm : link
Syracuse Mets @SyracuseMets
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Since May 2nd, @MarkVientos_5 is hitting .291 with 26 RBIs, 11 home runs, three doubles, 17 walks and a .388 on-base percentage! He'll be at 1B for us tonight as we take on the @IronPigs #wearethefuture
RE: 1b again for Vientos  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 5:21 pm : link
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Syracuse Mets @SyracuseMets
2m
Since May 2nd, @MarkVientos_5 is hitting .291 with 26 RBIs, 11 home runs, three doubles, 17 walks and a .388 on-base percentage! He'll be at 1B for us tonight as we take on the @IronPigs #wearethefuture


Not really sure what the plan is here. Not like they will move Alonso to DH for Vientos, I guess making sure he can handle it in a pinch? Just doesn't seem to add much value down the stretch.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 5:23 pm : link
was told yesterday that Vientos "isn't a 3b" and that Baty "is not good enough at 3b" to help the team right now. So they may just keep running Escobar/LG out there unless they make a trade?
RE: RE: 1b again for Vientos  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2022 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15744980 DanMetroMan said:
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Syracuse Mets @SyracuseMets
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Since May 2nd, @MarkVientos_5 is hitting .291 with 26 RBIs, 11 home runs, three doubles, 17 walks and a .388 on-base percentage! He'll be at 1B for us tonight as we take on the @IronPigs #wearethefuture



Not really sure what the plan is here. Not like they will move Alonso to DH for Vientos, I guess making sure he can handle it in a pinch? Just doesn't seem to add much value down the stretch.


they don't have a lot of backup 1b candidates (basically dom and jdd and either/both could get traded). so it makes sense in that respect.

had they called vientos instead of dom a couple weeks ago he'd have probably gotten the 1b start they gave dom?
Sure  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 5:27 pm : link
so I guess backup 1b? I mean I guess that adds something but I'd think him DHing right now (for the big club) probably adds more. They just played a non-1b over there (JDD) without even getting reps. Alonso isn't moving to DH for Mark Vientos, I can guarantee that one.
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Eric on Li : 6/30/2022 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15744985 DanMetroMan said:
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was told yesterday that Vientos "isn't a 3b" and that Baty "is not good enough at 3b" to help the team right now. So they may just keep running Escobar/LG out there unless they make a trade?


I have no issue with LG and Escobar at 3b if they find a DH. Obviously you hope escobar gets his stuff together to handle at least 60% of that platoon, but guillorme's defense and peskiness fit this team.

they just have to solve the vast emptiness of the DH spot.
RE: Sure  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2022 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15744990 DanMetroMan said:
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so I guess backup 1b? I mean I guess that adds something but I'd think him DHing right now (for the big club) probably adds more. They just played a non-1b over there (JDD) without even getting reps. Alonso isn't moving to DH for Mark Vientos, I can guarantee that one.


100%. Vientos should have been called up to get a crack at almost every day DH 2 weeks ago.

the only days he'd be off DH are the days when they want to give Alonso a break (which is why him playing 1b now is useful).

i'd imagine like JDD they will give him infrequent starts at 3b just so he's ready in the event of an emergency, but im sure that's low down their list of priorities.
The  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 5:30 pm : link
same person said 50/50 chance Baty is a 3b vs. a CO. So we've gone from 2 potential 3b prospects to possibly 2 hitters (though Baty in LF and Vientos DH/1b wouldn't be a bad outcome if they can hit) just opens 3b up to "who could they eventually add?"
RE: The  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2022 5:32 pm : link
In comment 15744996 DanMetroMan said:
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same person said 50/50 chance Baty is a 3b vs. a CO. So we've gone from 2 potential 3b prospects to possibly 2 hitters (though Baty in LF and Vientos DH/1b wouldn't be a bad outcome if they can hit) just opens 3b up to "who could they eventually add?"


or the spot for Mauricio? and maybe why they haven't bothered with him in the OF yet?
Was  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 5:32 pm : link
also told Dom has "near 0" trade value and "solid RP" isn't realistic, more like a guy with a track record who is struggling a bit.
RE: Was  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2022 5:33 pm : link
In comment 15745005 DanMetroMan said:
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also told Dom has "near 0" trade value and "solid RP" isn't realistic, more like a guy with a track record who is struggling a bit.


guess we should have taken hosmer and paddack even with the tjs lol.
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DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 5:34 pm : link
In comment 15745001 Eric on Li said:
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same person said 50/50 chance Baty is a 3b vs. a CO. So we've gone from 2 potential 3b prospects to possibly 2 hitters (though Baty in LF and Vientos DH/1b wouldn't be a bad outcome if they can hit) just opens 3b up to "who could they eventually add?"



or the spot for Mauricio? and maybe why they haven't bothered with him in the OF yet?


3b means he has to hit/get on base even more, not less. His OBP for the year is .289. I don't see it.
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DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15745006 Eric on Li said:
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also told Dom has "near 0" trade value and "solid RP" isn't realistic, more like a guy with a track record who is struggling a bit.



guess we should have taken hosmer and paddack even with the tjs lol.


In hindsight they probably should have. Wouldn't have helped the 2022 club much (Pagan has been fucking awful) but Hosmer has been solid. It would have basically been Dom for Hosmer (for this year).
Pagan  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 5:36 pm : link
5.27 FIP NEGATIVE .5 fWAR, awful
RE: RE: RE: The  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2022 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15745011 DanMetroMan said:
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same person said 50/50 chance Baty is a 3b vs. a CO. So we've gone from 2 potential 3b prospects to possibly 2 hitters (though Baty in LF and Vientos DH/1b wouldn't be a bad outcome if they can hit) just opens 3b up to "who could they eventually add?"



or the spot for Mauricio? and maybe why they haven't bothered with him in the OF yet?



3b means he has to hit/get on base even more, not less. His OBP for the year is .289. I don't see it.


escobar's career OBP is .307 and the last few years only peaked around .330. he's obviously not a super star but outside of his numbers this year he's been a viable starter (who did make 1 asg i think).

that's not an unattainable target for Mauricio especially if he just starts making more consistent contact. he's making loud enough contact that i would imagine that's an adjustment not far off his future.
Even  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 5:40 pm : link
Hosmer .611 OPS over the last 4 weeks

Trade of attrition lol, though yeah, Paddack longer term is better than Dom for the Mets
Escobar  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 5:44 pm : link
isn't a great example. He toiled away in the minors and didn't even play 100 MLB games until his 9th professional season (he signed at 17), Escobar floated around but didn't post a wRC+ over 101 until he was 29 years old
RE: Escobar  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2022 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15745025 DanMetroMan said:
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isn't a great example. He toiled away in the minors and didn't even play 100 MLB games until his 9th professional season (he signed at 17), Escobar floated around but didn't post a wRC+ over 101 until he was 29 years old


im not comparing their trajectory as prospects just that he was a viable starting 3b for how many years with a sub .320 OBP?

if mauricio brings his BA from .255 to .275 even without walking more he will be in that ball park. and he projects to have just as much if not more power. Mauricio's iso this year is basically where escobar's has been in his best years.

a 20/20 3b with a decent batting average and low walks is viable if his defense is solid (no idea how that would translate but presumably it's an easier transition than OF). it's basically Amed Rosario with a little more power and less hit.
Again  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 5:50 pm : link
I come off as some Mauricio hater but I can only deal in the facts.

He's now down to 100th in OBP in the Eastern league (127 qualified hitters)

His wRC+ nearly fully boosted by his HR's (tied for 59th)
Vientos homers  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 7:26 pm : link
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Mauricio  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 7:32 pm : link
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DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 7:37 pm : link
And stating the obvious but Alvarez could end up a career .230 hitter with 15 homer pop and if he’s near league average with the glove have a 12 year career. DH types have to it. Vientos time. I’m not saying If Vientos fails that’s the end of him but he’s mashing in AAA give him the call!
RE: Vientos homers  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2022 9:46 pm : link
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they've been really short sighted not calling him. i dont think there's much to learn over 10 or 20 extra games, so if they think they are calling him up in the next few weeks they accomplished nothing by waiting except getting Dom back on another cold streak not playing every day. 1 or 2 home runs at the big league level in the last couple weeks may have made a difference in a game like yesterday's.

maybe they felt the extra week of games at 1b was important but no reason they couldn't have done that earlier. call the guy up already. yesterday they walked him to bring in the tying run with the bases loaded on 5 pitches.
RE: Again  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2022 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15745034 DanMetroMan said:
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I come off as some Mauricio hater but I can only deal in the facts.

He's now down to 100th in OBP in the Eastern league (127 qualified hitters)

His wRC+ nearly fully boosted by his HR's (tied for 59th)


prospects aren't finished products - you know i typically value the gimenez types move than the toolsy types, but mauricio isn't just raw tools, power is a key tool and it's showing up in games at a level that should be challenging for him. he's young for AA and he's going to be a 20/20 or maybe even a little better short stop and he's never really hit lower than .250. if he gets hot in the 2nd half a 30/30 season isn't impossible.

he's not my favorite type of hitter which is why i'd probably trade him before Baty, Vientos, and possibly even Ramirez but i see it as factual that he has very good raw tools showing up in games. the unknown is the degree he puts it together but he still has time and if he sticks at a premium position then his offense doesn't need to be much better than league average to hold value.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 9:54 pm : link
Mets related but a guy named Michael Perez on the Pirates, a 29 year old with horrendous career numbers is 4-4 3 homers 5 RBI. A story to tell his grandkids. Unbelievable. Career 47 wRC+, 172 hitter.
I mean before we use resources to acquire a  
Rory : 6/30/2022 10:07 pm : link
DH we have to right?

I wonder what the clubhouse vibe is on Dom Smith right now. He just doesnt seem like part of the click. Seems almost on an island.
RE: I mean before we use resources to acquire a  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2022 10:24 pm : link
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DH we have to right?

I wonder what the clubhouse vibe is on Dom Smith right now. He just doesnt seem like part of the click. Seems almost on an island.


if we are in tune to what a prospect at AAA is doing you can bet the guys who play the same position inside the organization know exactly what he's doing. it's their job. wouldn't shock me if that's partially why some are struggling/pressing and have been for the past month or so since promotion watch began.
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