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NCAAF: USC & UCLA planning to leave Pac-12 for Big Ten

RCPhoenix : 6/30/2022 1:46 pm
Wow....
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From 1979 until a few years ago  
John In CO : 6/30/2022 1:54 pm : link
I would have said College Football was either my favorite sport, or at least in the ring to duke it out with NFL and NHL. Now.....I barely recognize it anymore. NIL, seemingly unlimited transfers, conferences that make NO sense geographically, more old rivalries extinguished every year....completely broken in my eyes.
This is really odd  
robbieballs2003 : 6/30/2022 1:59 pm : link
.
Rutgers and USC  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 6/30/2022 2:02 pm : link
being in the same conference is really really dumb
Now get rid of ASU  
Guyton/Jackson : 6/30/2022 2:19 pm : link
#beardown
Big 10 is  
Tony in Tampa : 6/30/2022 2:20 pm : link
just trying to form a super conference to compete with the SEC. Why? Money
Over time we might end up with  
bluepepper : 6/30/2022 2:42 pm : link
a couple of Super Conferences with divisions that look a lot like the old conferences. The SEC can have a division with Texas, OU, A&M and Arkansas. Big 10 can add more west coast schools to go with UCLA and USC and have a Pacific Division.

College football...  
bw in dc : 6/30/2022 2:53 pm : link
has always been big business. Now it's on full display.

These big institutions - in this case, USC and UCLA - know they have to optimize their earning power, or they are going to be left behind. So, I completely understand this move despite the fact that it's demolishing great college football traditions.

Hopefully, the morons on this playoff committee comes to their senses and expand the playoffs to 8 games.
RE: Now get rid of ASU  
Mike from Ohio : 6/30/2022 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15744694 Guyton/Jackson said:
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#beardown


Amen. Good to see another AZ Wildcat posting here.
At this point...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/30/2022 2:58 pm : link
Just get rid of conferences.
RE: At this point...  
bw in dc : 6/30/2022 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15744745 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Just get rid of conferences.


They really can't because the automatic bids will be a big part of the expanded playoff system - when it goes to 8 and ultimately 16.

IMV.
bw in DC.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/30/2022 3:44 pm : link
I know they can't realistically, but are we doing? USC & UCLA in the Big Ten? WVU in the Big 12? Like some of this is absurd.
why expand the playoffs  
BigBlueCane : 6/30/2022 4:08 pm : link
when the endgame will be Big 10 champion versus SEC champion.

if you're not in one of those 2 conferences, you're done.
As a Gonzaga fan,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/30/2022 4:12 pm : link
I fully prepared for the PAC 12 to let them in even without football or for this Big East thing to actually happen.
So Lincoln Riley goes from OU to USC  
BillT : 6/30/2022 4:23 pm : link
At least in part because he didn’t want to be on just another SEC team. So now he’s going to be on just another B10 team. Grass isn’t always greener…
ACC basically has to give ND everything it wants  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/30/2022 4:30 pm : link
and absorb the remaining Big 12 top basketball schools or it's over. No way Clemson stays at this rate.

Big 10 goes for Notre Dame and Carolina next.

SEC takes Clemson, FSU, Georgia Tech, Duke and the rest go to the Big 12 / Big East as basketball conferences
The ACC's grant of rights deal runs through 2036,  
Mad Mike : 6/30/2022 4:33 pm : link
which gives them much more control over their teams than the Big-12 and Pac-12 have, with their deals ending in 2025 and 2024 respectively.
And various ACC teams  
BigBlueCane : 6/30/2022 4:52 pm : link
are exploring their options.....

Btw, FUCK you tobacco road.
RE: ACC basically has to give ND everything it wants  
RCPhoenix : 6/30/2022 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15744909 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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and absorb the remaining Big 12 top basketball schools or it's over. No way Clemson stays at this rate.

Big 10 goes for Notre Dame and Carolina next.

SEC takes Clemson, FSU, Georgia Tech, Duke and the rest go to the Big 12 / Big East as basketball conferences


As long as Notre Dame has their sweet deal with NBC they aren't going anywhere. Once that ends, we'll see.

I mean - as a Michigan fan it's absurd that Notre Dame and Michigan don't play again for 11 years.

I wonder what happens to the Pac 12, losing USC/UCLA is a huge blow. It's Oregon and then who - Stanford? Yawn
RE: ACC basically has to give ND everything it wants  
bw in dc : 6/30/2022 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15744909 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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and absorb the remaining Big 12 top basketball schools or it's over. No way Clemson stays at this rate.

Big 10 goes for Notre Dame and Carolina next.

SEC takes Clemson, FSU, Georgia Tech, Duke and the rest go to the Big 12 / Big East as basketball conferences


Why would the SEC take Duke and GT when they could get Miami and VT or NC State?
$$$  
JohnF : 6/30/2022 7:17 pm : link
This is all about money. IMO, D1 conferences are going to consolidate into one major "Super Conference" involving all the major TV markets. You're just seeing the start of this.

In 2024, the B1G will be a nationwide conference, going from coast to coast, with major TV markets like Los Angeles (USC/UCLA), New York (Rutgers), etc. Those schools who aren't looked at as major "TV" draws will be forced out. At that point, I think both the SCC and B1G will be looking to grab a national TV deal with Amazon, Disney-ABC or Apple to stream games. I would expect those deals to be in the billions.

Consequences? Well, for the smaller schools, good luck trying to stay relevant. The odds are the smaller schools will try and stay on for a few years with the bowls, but more likely will downgrade to the Football Championship division, to save money.

The darker side of this is the coming labor strife in College D1. "NIL" (Name, Image, Likeness) is only the first step. When the athletes see the Universities making bank on the Super Conference, they will want a chunk of that. The same Agents that are involved with NIL's (approved by the NFL) no doubt will be able to influence the players into striking.
RCPhoenix.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/30/2022 7:19 pm : link
Wolverines-Irish has had some great games...it sucks they won't play again until 2033, when USC is in newly created Pacific Ring Conference along with Alabama, UNH, & North Dakota State, Haha.
Athletic Reporter  
BigBlueCane : 6/30/2022 7:41 pm : link

Nicole Auerbach
@NicoleAuerbach
Just got off the phone with someone who believes this eventually leads to two megaconferences — the Big Ten and SEC — with 20 or more members apiece.
Pac 12 reporter  
BigBlueCane : 6/30/2022 7:44 pm : link

Jon Wilner
@wilnerhotline
Source: Don't assume the Big Ten is done.
RE: Athletic Reporter  
John In CO : 6/30/2022 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15745232 BigBlueCane said:
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Nicole Auerbach
@NicoleAuerbach
Just got off the phone with someone who believes this eventually leads to two megaconferences — the Big Ten and SEC — with 20 or more members apiece.


So its the CFB version of the AFC and NFC, and I assume bowl games (if they still exist) will be conference playoffs, with the two conference winners meeting in the National Championship.

RE: And various ACC teams  
Jersey Heel : 6/30/2022 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15744940 BigBlueCane said:
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are exploring their options.....

Btw, FUCK you tobacco road.

Uh, fuck you right back?
It’s amazing how quickly  
GNewGiants : 6/30/2022 7:57 pm : link
College football became the worst major sport in the USA. Corrupt, crooked, and the worst run organization.
Confirmed  
Stan in LA : 6/30/2022 8:23 pm : link
UCLA and SC have been accepted into Big 10 starting July1, 2024.
RE: Pac 12 reporter  
bw in dc : 6/30/2022 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15745237 BigBlueCane said:
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Jon Wilner
@wilnerhotline
Source: Don't assume the Big Ten is done.


Stanford and Oregon have to be in the mix...right?
oregon and washington is the rumor  
CGiants07 : 6/30/2022 9:07 pm : link
..
Twitter buzzing that Oregon and Washington are next  
Metnut : 6/30/2022 9:33 pm : link
Wow
RE: Twitter buzzing that Oregon and Washington are next  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/30/2022 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15745365 Metnut said:
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Wow


Doesn't matter to me but why wouldn't the Big 10 take Cal or Stanford and the SF/Oakland TV market?
College sports are circling the fuckin' bowl  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2022 10:07 pm : link
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christian : 6/30/2022 10:41 pm : link
This is the only path to an 8 or 6 team playoff and a relatively fair championship process. It really is an AFC/NFC model.

What would be really cool is if there were a relegation system and some of the minor conferences were affiliated with the two big guys.
This is some  
Jim in Forest Hills : 6/30/2022 10:43 pm : link
crazy shit
I think you mean...  
Milton : 6/30/2022 10:52 pm : link
Leave the Pac-10 for the Big Twelve.
Swofford at the behest of Tobacco Road  
BigBlueCane : 7/1/2022 4:46 am : link
ie Duke and UNC, made that godawful ACC Network deal that is the 2nd worst amongst the Power 5 conferences.

That's also what's going to kill the conference dead b/c of how awful that deal is.
Agree about the money  
Lines of Scrimmage : 7/1/2022 7:56 am : link
College football needs more competition. The SEC is just so dominant right now.

I am hoping they eventually go to a 16 team playoff like 1AA ball.

Losing the rivalries sucks but I think if the conferences get more competitive new rivalries can emerge though they may be shorter lived and change often.

USC and UCLA (They have put much more money into the program) can both be players in the Big 10 imv.

RE: Swofford at the behest of Tobacco Road  
Costy16 : 7/1/2022 8:30 am : link
In comment 15745455 BigBlueCane said:
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ie Duke and UNC, made that godawful ACC Network deal that is the 2nd worst amongst the Power 5 conferences.

That's also what's going to kill the conference dead b/c of how awful that deal is.


Yep, that TV deal hurts the conference alot. I've heard alot in the last 15 hours about the SEC coming for Clemson, FSU & Miami.
It would not surprise me  
OlyWABigBlue : 7/1/2022 9:39 am : link
to see the Big 10 bring in Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal and Colorado in due time. All of those schools fit in terms of being large, highly regarded institutions even if the geographic fit is tenuous.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/1/2022 9:55 am : link
I can't believe there's a chance of a Big Ten football game in 2025 between Rutgers and USC. 😂😂😂. Insane.
NCAA  
stretch234 : 7/2/2022 9:39 am : link
Is the next step the really big successful schools start trying to get their own TV deals. Do Alabama, Georgia, OHio State, etc get to a point and say why do I need the conference - I am driving the conference, let’s just go right to the networks.

The reality is no one cares about most of the football teams. MN, Rutgers, Missou, Vandy, Pitt, GT, etc are doing nothing for the big boys.

There are currently 68 Power 5 teams plus ND. I think eventually it will be 3 Super Conferences of 24 teams for football. 4 divisions within each. The playoff gets expanded to 16 teams with 12 division winners and 4 at large.

You limit games to your division (5) and then 2 from each division and then 1 crossover conference game. You also have 1 game with a non power school to help keep them alive

You get rid of the Conference Championship games in favor of playoff seeding opening games by ranking. The top 8 winners then play the 8 losers

You utilize the bowl games as the seeding and playoff games making them more relevant and more money generated

I could be way off with this as well.


We'll the B1G just decided a few months ago to get rid  
Stu11 : 7/2/2022 10:00 am : link
of divisions for football starting in 2023. They had to know this was in the works so I'm sure they have some sort of plan.
All you guys pissing on alternative pro leagues  
HomerJones45 : 7/2/2022 10:07 am : link
I give to you "college" football which is now several alternative pro leagues.
this will end up  
BigBlueCane : 7/2/2022 10:58 am : link
with roughly 50 or so teams breaking away in FB at least and doing their own thing.

Ain't no reason to include 60+ anymore.
Only a matter of time before a U22 professional league  
widmerseyebrow : 7/2/2022 11:04 am : link
is created. College football will continue to consolidate and a lot of brands will get wiped out. Then once we're down to a couple dozen teams worth watching, a professional development league can compete with what's left without the overhead or regulations of being integrated with higher education.
There will be four 20-team super conferences  
mavric : 7/3/2022 11:02 am : link
Being the oracle that I am and putting on my Nostradamus' hat, I foresee four super conferences dictating the future of college sports.

The ACC will add West Virginia, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Central Florida and will attempt to raid the Big 10 of Rutgers and maybe raid the SEC of South Carolina. I can see the ACC cutting ties with Notre Dame basketball and focusing on the more eastern coastal universities

It will then create a "North ACC" division and a "South ACC" division with two five team sub-divisions in the two main divisions. The Conference Championship will be called the "Civil War Bowl"!

It will be like nothing we could have ever imagined.
not looking good for  
BigBlueCane : 7/3/2022 1:04 pm : link
Cal and Stanford
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RE: not looking good for  
widmerseyebrow : 7/3/2022 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15746733 BigBlueCane said:
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Yep. I think the one underreported impact of all this is the effect on the higher education landscape itself. This will have major ripple effects on the economics of college.

But back to football: Cal and Stanford may not clear the bar for football? What does that say for the dozens of programs that couldn't sniff their jock? We will see many similar solid brands making business decisions to fold up shop in the coming years. What do those fans turn to? Do they become Alabama football fans? Where do all those excess coaches and players go?

This is why I think a real minor league separate from the NCAA is coming. How hard will it be for them to eventually pull the top recruits when you offer cash and zero academic/compliance hoops to jump through?
in case it wasn't obvious  
BigBlueCane : 7/9/2022 7:48 am : link
EPSN (SEC) and Fox (B1G) are the driving forces behind this.

Well for Rutgers  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/9/2022 9:22 am : link
fans watching BC, Cuse, and Pitt to be left twisting in the wind regardless of our football struggles is just icing on the cake.

ACC is going to be in trouble when FSU and Clemson eventually bolt for the SEC. Miami will most likely land in the SEC or B1G but the old Big East defectors are screwed.

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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/9/2022 9:54 am : link
This is all trending to two super conferences, the SEC & Big Ten. And I hate this for college football. All about the $...sad.
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