if Traded has to be New Orleans, Phoenix or Miami. I can't see other teams that can trade young players and picks. He is not going to GS and they won't trade him to the Knicks. So lets not start hearing about Randle and picks.
Will land in Phoenix, Ayton plus in BK and Durant will try and fix his “rep” by helping Chris Paul finally get over the hump. It’s not exactly winning with the Knicks but that’s my strong gut feel
if Traded has to be New Orleans, Phoenix or Miami. I can't see other teams that can trade young players and picks. He is not going to GS and they won't trade him to the Knicks. So lets not start hearing about Randle and picks.
If it’s the best package, why wouldn’t they trade with the Knicks? You’re telling me if the Knicks offered, RJ, Obi, salaries to match, and a cache of first round picks that the Nets wouldn’t listen?
Will land in Phoenix, Ayton plus in BK and Durant will try and fix his “rep” by helping Chris Paul finally get over the hump. It’s not exactly winning with the Knicks but that’s my strong gut feel
Phoenix is def the #1 contender, but I could see the Nets demanding Booker.
Will land in Phoenix, Ayton plus in BK and Durant will try and fix his “rep” by helping Chris Paul finally get over the hump. It’s not exactly winning with the Knicks but that’s my strong gut feel
Phoenix is def the #1 contender, but I could see the Nets demanding Booker.
It’ll be centered around a sign and trade for Ayton. The Suns would do this to team Durant and Booker, not to deal Booker
Will land in Phoenix, Ayton plus in BK and Durant will try and fix his “rep” by helping Chris Paul finally get over the hump. It’s not exactly winning with the Knicks but that’s my strong gut feel
Phoenix is def the #1 contender, but I could see the Nets demanding Booker.
Not happening. I could see Ayton plus a bevy of picks (#1s). I expect they'll try to move Kyrie too for some #1s.
They'll need some filler players for a year or two, but Marks is good - if Tsai lets him build his team.
Will land in Phoenix, Ayton plus in BK and Durant will try and fix his “rep” by helping Chris Paul finally get over the hump. It’s not exactly winning with the Knicks but that’s my strong gut feel
Phoenix is def the #1 contender, but I could see the Nets demanding Booker.
It’ll be centered around a sign and trade for Ayton. The Suns would do this to team Durant and Booker, not to deal Booker
In my mind, don't see how this deal gets done without Booker. The Suns picks will not be very good and they don't have any other real good young players. Ayton is not enough. I could definitely be wrong, but the Suns need more assets to make this deal happen.
and get bridges- that would be the best return possible.
Disagree with you on that... The picks from Phoenix will be terrible unless they wait till 2026 or something. Bridges is a role player, maybe a 3 way deal where they get picks for him.
While Durant has Phoenix and Miami listed as his preferred destinations, the Nets will trade him where they get the best haul
In my mind, that is New Orleans with Ingram or Zion as a starting point and they have a ton of picks.
Not sure Zion is a huge get. I bet if you polled GM's in private, many wouldn't touch him long term. And its a shame because I love how he plays (so I can see ticket sales being a factor for some) but I don't see how he has a long, healthy career.
While Durant has Phoenix and Miami listed as his preferred destinations, the Nets will trade him where they get the best haul
In my mind, that is New Orleans with Ingram or Zion as a starting point and they have a ton of picks.
Not sure Zion is a huge get. I bet if you polled GM's in private, many wouldn't touch him long term. And its a shame because I love how he plays (so I can see ticket sales being a factor for some) but I don't see how he has a long, healthy career.
I'm just thinking of teams with a good young piece and picks. I don't like any package Phoenix can put together, but Miami could possibly do something with Bam and Herro.
I think it'll be Phoenix. Ayton helps the Nets save face a little
although that'd be a weird way to do it, building around Simmons and Ayton. But more importantly in addition to Ayton, Phoenix has all their picks to trade and Miami doesn't
I'm just thinking of teams with a good young piece and picks. I don't like any package Phoenix can put together, but Miami could possibly do something with Bam and Herro.
Just saw this. So Miami can't trade Bam
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The Nets are not allowed to acquire a player like Bam Adebayo from the Heat because of the Designated Rookie Extension rule.
You cannot have 2 players acquired via a trade that were signed to that type of extension.
this is just another team, now, that Kyrie has destroyed.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
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this is just another team, now, that Kyrie has destroyed.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
Don't give Durant a pass. While he isn't Kyrie.....you make your bed, you sleep in it. Durants ego did this.
im not sure im rushing to trade young possible stars for KD. He is 34 and just got swept out of the playoffs in the first round. Im not saying he isnt a great player, but this isnt prime KD anymore. I think MIA and PHX make sense, but i dont think the Nets are going to get the package that people might expect when they hear "Kevin Durant traded"
this is just another team, now, that Kyrie has destroyed.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.
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Miami can trade 3 future first-round picks (plus Jovic) *if* they amend the lottery-protected 2025 first-round pick they owe the Thunder to remove the protections. I triple-checked this with @BobbyMarks42
and a few league execs.
However, the Bam thing really makes a deal tough for Miami to pull off.
I still say the Nets can get the best packages from New Orleans or Memphis of teams that could be contenders with KD.
this is just another team, now, that Kyrie has destroyed.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
Don't give Durant a pass. While he isn't Kyrie.....you make your bed, you sleep in it. Durants ego did this.
the nets will take the best package. But this is Durant. If he says im not playing in NO, which he could easily say, then NO isnt going to trade for him. We see stars force themselves out of town left and right, contract or not, durant is literally doing it right now. So the Nets will be stuck with wherever he is willing to happily go. This is how the NBA works. I know MEM came up before so i could see that, but nobody seems to like playing in NO so i cant imagine he ends up there.
I'm just thinking of teams with a good young piece and picks. I don't like any package Phoenix can put together, but Miami could possibly do something with Bam and Herro.
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this is just another team, now, that Kyrie has destroyed.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
maybe don't trust a guy who's clearly unreliable in the first place? Bottom line is that Durant chose Kyrie over Steph and company because HE wanted his own thing. He's an all time great, but nobody ever accused him of being smart....
GSW isnt trading for KD. They dont need KD and he bailed on them. IM sure they enjoyed watching him struggle in BKN while they won another championship.
this is just another team, now, that Kyrie has destroyed.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
maybe don't trust a guy who's clearly unreliable in the first place? Bottom line is that Durant chose Kyrie over Steph and company because HE wanted his own thing. He's an all time great, but nobody ever accused him of being smart....
I get the point. Durant put his friendship with Kyrie over all of the intel about Kyrie's checkered past. But they are friends and he obviously bought what Kyrie was selling. And Durant got duped.
How is hero Duncan Robinson and 5 picks better then
By the way I’m not all that impressed with bam abedayo, why do people act like he is some superstar. Like holy smokes if Miami includes bam it’s a done?
How is that better then RJ, reddish, mcbride, the 3 1st rounders we just got, the Dallas 1st rounder and 4 of our own first rounders.
I would do it in a heart beat. We will end up getting another superstar during free agency next year
this is just another team, now, that Kyrie has destroyed.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
maybe don't trust a guy who's clearly unreliable in the first place? Bottom line is that Durant chose Kyrie over Steph and company because HE wanted his own thing. He's an all time great, but nobody ever accused him of being smart....
I get the point. Durant put his friendship with Kyrie over all of the intel about Kyrie's checkered past. But they are friends and he obviously bought what Kyrie was selling. And Durant got duped.
calling him a victim here is being too kind IMO. But it's probably best not to analyze this guy too much. At the end of the day, he's a weirdo who gets high all day and argues with teenagers on twitter.
calling him a victim here is being too kind IMO. But it's probably best not to analyze this guy too much. At the end of the day, he's a weirdo who gets high all day and argues with teenagers on twitter.
Can beat a golden state offer of wiggins, kuminga, moody, wiseman and 4 picks
No way. GS is ideally positioned for the short and long term. They can contend for the championship for the next two-three years (assuming health); and they have enough young pieces to prepare for life without the big three.
For the Nets its now or never. He's 34 years old, already had a significant injury and carries a ton of mileage. You don't want to wait a year, if he gets hurt again his value significantly decreases.
Kyrie they'll probably trade for a bag of basketballs at this point.
The Nets knew once they played hardball with Kyrie this may happen and behind closed doors I'm not sure how upset they are. They gave these guys everything they wanted and they couldn't even make an ECF.
If you're not going to win with them (which I've felt for awhile) better off trading them and starting over.
Betting odds shift on Ayton to Nets happened a few days ago
if he was friends with Jimmy Butler instead of kyrie they have 1 or possibly 2 rings right now.
i also don't blame the nets org, we had 2 fun years and it was a joy to watch KD play at the level he did. he delivered. 1 shoe size smaller and he keeps Giannis from getting his ring.
i've always been a big bridges fan so that phoenix package works for me. don't love Ayton, but collectively it's a good enough team to not get too worked up about the houston trade and pick swaps. they will likely bring back a bunch of picks too.
whatever happens as long as someone pushes kyrie off the flat edge of the earth im happy. is there a more unlikeable modern athlete in nba history?
Denver is reportedly making a strong run at Durant with Michael Porter as the centerpiece.
Good luck with that. Immense talent, likely won't have a long career due to his health.
Denver is my ideal landing spot for Durant from a strictly basketball lover POV. Him and Jokic together would be poetry in motion, Jokic would get KD the easiest looks of his career.
But yea, MPJ ain't cutting it due to the health concerns. Not to mention he's another questionable personality and I'm sure the Nets are sick of those type of players.
Denver is reportedly making a strong run at Durant with Michael Porter as the centerpiece.
Good luck with that. Immense talent, likely won't have a long career due to his health.
Denver is my ideal landing spot for Durant from a strictly basketball lover POV. Him and Jokic together would be poetry in motion, Jokic would get KD the easiest looks of his career.
But yea, MPJ ain't cutting it due to the health concerns. Not to mention he's another questionable personality and I'm sure the Nets are sick of those type of players.
Actually, I take that back. Brainfart, forgot he played with Steph and Klay and got easy as hell looks in GS lol.
But Jokic would definitely get him awesome looks and that 2 man game would be filthy.
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if KD wants Phoenix or Miami it's hard to see him anywhere else
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Anonymous executive suggests a 3 team trade that would send Kyrie to the Lakers
“You could do three teams, Kyrie to the Lakers, Gobert to Brooklyn, and Russ to Utah, with the Jazz probably buying him out.”
Everyone seems to be trying to bail the Lakers out with these trade suggestions. Nobody wants Russ. The Nets and Utah could pull that off without bailing the Lakers out. Wouldn’t the Jazz rather have Kyrie than Russ? Why would they want Russ?
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Brian Windhorst, on ESPN, says Durant is “focused” on landing in Phoenix, and that one reason KD requested the trade today (before start of FA) was so that DeAndre Ayton could be included in a potential trade package.
Windy notes KD’s relationship with CP3 and and Devin Booker.
SFGF kyrie is just pissed brooklyn isn't max'ing him
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Brian Windhorst, on ESPN, says Durant is “focused” on landing in Phoenix, and that one reason KD requested the trade today (before start of FA) was so that DeAndre Ayton could be included in a potential trade package.
Windy notes KD’s relationship with CP3 and and Devin Booker.
this makes sense so it's basically just KD picking CP3 or Kyrie.
and then the nets figuring out who will take Kyrie if it's not phoenix because they need to move him before the KD deal bc of lux tax.
i think the mavs make a ton of sense because cuban is aggressive and they can save the nets money sending back dinwiddie, some spare parts, and some picks.
that makes more sense than a russell westbrook and picks deal. unless there's a 3rd team willing to take westbrook which is doubtful.
"I don't really plan on going anywhere. When I say I'm here with Kev, I think that it really entails us managing this franchise together alongside Joe and Sean..."
The biggest, self-involved jackass in professional sports. By far.
"I don't really plan on going anywhere. When I say I'm here with Kev, I think that it really entails us managing this franchise together alongside Joe and Sean..."
The biggest, self-involved jackass in professional sports. By far.
"I don't really plan on going anywhere. When I say I'm here with Kev, I think that it really entails us managing this franchise together alongside Joe and Sean..."
The biggest, self-involved jackass in professional sports. By far.
I remember reading that & thinking someone made it up because-even for Irving's standards-it out sounded bonkers. But then I saw the clip...
Then when he opts into his contract on Monday, he drops this gem: "Normal people keep the world going, but those who dare to be different lead us into tomorrow"...like WTF is he even talking about?
I love KD as a player, but him going to the Dubs was THE weakest move I can recall in sports. It was pathetic. Then he was apparently miffed when people didn't give him love for winning it all in '17 & '18 with GS.
RE: SFGF kyrie is just pissed brooklyn isn't max'ing him
When I even think of the moron words come to mind that I can’t repeat. He is disgusting. I hope he gets traded to Russia. KD is just dumb as a rock for wanting anything to do with that walking clown show. Both of them can get the hell out of this town.
How is hero Duncan Robinson and 5 picks better then
By the way I’m not all that impressed with bam abedayo, why do people act like he is some superstar. Like holy smokes if Miami includes bam it’s a done?
How is that better then RJ, reddish, mcbride, the 3 1st rounders we just got, the Dallas 1st rounder and 4 of our own first rounders.
I would do it in a heart beat. We will end up getting another superstar during free agency next year
They have Durant under contract for the rest of his prime. If they don’t find a deal they like, I bet they play hardball and dare Durant to just pout for 4 years.
RE: I wouldn’t be shocked if the Nets end up keeping him
They have Durant under contract for the rest of his prime. If they don’t find a deal they like, I bet they play hardball and dare Durant to just pout for 4 years.
Durant might be the most thinned skin professional athlete of all time..if he's stuck here and sulks, he'll start shitting on anyone, especially on twitter, who even jokingly breaks his balls...
RE: I wouldn’t be shocked if the Nets end up keeping him
They have Durant under contract for the rest of his prime. If they don’t find a deal they like, I bet they play hardball and dare Durant to just pout for 4 years.
Highly doubt it, it will be a non-stop toxic circus. Just look at Ben Simmons in Philly and that pales in comparison to what it would be if the Nets didn't budge with an actual star player.
That said I'd love to see it, and it would get me to follow the NBA next year.
RE: I wouldn’t be shocked if the Nets end up keeping him
They have Durant under contract for the rest of his prime. If they don’t find a deal they like, I bet they play hardball and dare Durant to just pout for 4 years.
It's a choice, but good luck getting players to want to go there in the future if that's the choice they want to make. If you can treat KD like that, what would you do to me? is the message that sends.
Irving and Simmons...talk about some off the wall teammates.
Fans like to blame nba players but I don’t care what guys like Durant dictate or do. If you’re good enough and can dictate where to be traded if and when your team shits itself why the hell not? Fans are just mad but we’d all do it if we could. Plus it’s hilarious.
Ps no player ever demanded a trade off the Knicks. Just saying.
Fun day for Knicks fans. Rejoice.
Oh and lol at anyone who thinks the nets wouldn’t sell off the entire franchise along with Durant for Zion. NO isn’t moving Zion so forget that noise. Guy is goi BFF to be one of the many faces of the nba for the next decade. He was hurt last year. He won’t be hurt for long. Beast.
i don't think it's a forgone conclusion he gets traded but id bet on i
i think the nets knew this going into how they played things with kyrie.
before the boston series i'd have said no chance, but based on how poorly kd played you'd have had to be blind to not have some concerns for him carrying the team to a championship going forward after that. especially if the #2 is kyrie since he's so unreliable. kd played his 4 worst games as a net by far, and had he played even 50% to the level he'd played vs. Milwaukee they sweep boston. he averaged 5.5 turnovers and shot under 40%.
bostons D on KD gets overrated as an excuse in my view because milwaukee was throwing everything they had at him too, including PJ tucker and middleton. with a supporting cast doing nothing and no kyrie.
if everyone bought in harmoniously (ironically as harden did in Philly) im sure they would have run it back with Simmons but once kyrie decided to do what he does best i think they said maybe the best move is a reset. those pick swaps were out there either way and if KD just isn't the MVP level player anymore in a year or two (or already) then they'd really be stuck.
i really like the phoenix deal depending on how many picks they can get back. Ayton is 24, Bridges is 26, Simmons is 26, Claxton (who they just resigned) is 23. Bruce Brown is 26 and i think they will bring him back. nowhere near a contender but maybe 1 or 2 of those end up pieces to build on and if they recoup enough picks they have ammo to add. Ayton and Simmons were 1OA picks for a reason. I'm a big bridges fan going back to nova though.
I think its fair for an athlete to do whatever is best for him/her. But I don't also have to enjoy what it does to the product.
There's just something really offputting with the way the NBA operates now and its starting to materialize in the NFL as well. Sports aren't ending because of it, but for many fans it just isn't as enjoyable to watch happen and really cheapens the competitive nature, IMO.
Agree with the hilarious comment, though. Its good for drama, which is about all I watch/follow the NBA for these days.
which is weird bc i thought the nets had the right to match and he got a very reasonable deal.
loved brown on the team they had--- could afford to have a non shooter-
but for the future he doesnt fit unfortunately- and they traded for white who can hit 3's more consistently for that role of sorts
which is weird bc i thought the nets had the right to match and he got a very reasonable deal.
loved brown on the team they had--- could afford to have a non shooter-
but for the future he doesnt fit unfortunately- and they traded for white who can hit 3's more consistently for that role of sorts
will miss him favorite guy of this error
i see that side of it but add the first round pick oneal cost, and dont you prefer to keep that and the guy 3 years younger? browns shot was developing, i think he shot 40% vs. boston including some big ones late/close. i'd have kept him over patty or claxton too. the stage they are entering it seems imprudent to let any young asset walk even if the fit isn't perfect.
Read a round table piece in The Athletic this morning
about potential landing places for KD, most of regurgitating what we’ve heard elsewhere - PHO for Bridges, Aston & picks the most likely scenario - but I thought their trade scenario for Kylie was interesting.
Kylie and a 2nd piece to LAL for Westbrook and ‘27 & ‘29 1st’s. Westbrook with Simmons and Aston would be one of the worst shooting line ups in recent memory, but you dump $47M in salary next year. I’d do that in a heartbeat, as much as I hate to help LA.
RE: Read a round table piece in The Athletic this morning
about potential landing places for KD, most of regurgitating what we’ve heard elsewhere - PHO for Bridges, Aston & picks the most likely scenario - but I thought their trade scenario for Kylie was interesting.
Kylie and a 2nd piece to LAL for Westbrook and ‘27 & ‘29 1st’s. Westbrook with Simmons and Aston would be one of the worst shooting line ups in recent memory, but you dump $47M in salary next year. I’d do that in a heartbeat, as much as I hate to help LA.
Kyrie, not Kylie, what a weird auto-correct.
great NBA players have more leverage than great players in othr sports
Because you need to have a top 10 player to win a championship. It pretty much cannot be done without a top 10 player or two/three top 15 to 20 players. Only NFL QBs enjoy this kind of leverage.
They have Durant under contract for the rest of his prime. If they don’t find a deal they like, I bet they play hardball and dare Durant to just pout for 4 years.
Durant is going to be 34; and I'm not convinced he's going to be as productive as LBJ as he enters his mid-30s and beyond. He doesn't look like an athlete who spends time building a better, more durable body.
So, I think this is a blessing in disguise for the Nets and they should cut bait on this failed experiment with KD and KI.
They have Durant under contract for the rest of his prime. If they don’t find a deal they like, I bet they play hardball and dare Durant to just pout for 4 years.
Durant is going to be 34; and I'm not convinced he's going to be as productive as LBJ as he enters his mid-30s and beyond. He doesn't look like an athlete who spends time building a better, more durable body.
So, I think this is a blessing in disguise for the Nets and they should cut bait on this failed experiment with KD and KI.
it's only a blessing if the Nets get back an insanely talented player or recoup the picks and talent they lost when trading for Durant.
We shall see about that. Usually teams never get back enough when they traded away the best player in the trade.
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They have Durant under contract for the rest of his prime. If they don’t find a deal they like, I bet they play hardball and dare Durant to just pout for 4 years.
Durant is going to be 34; and I'm not convinced he's going to be as productive as LBJ as he enters his mid-30s and beyond. He doesn't look like an athlete who spends time building a better, more durable body.
So, I think this is a blessing in disguise for the Nets and they should cut bait on this failed experiment with KD and KI.
it's only a blessing if the Nets get back an insanely talented player or recoup the picks and talent they lost when trading for Durant.
We shall see about that. Usually teams never get back enough when they traded away the best player in the trade.
The Nets acquired KD via sign-and-trade (they could have signed him outright) and they received a protected first-round pick in the trade (which did not convey). DeAngelo Russell went the other direction (from BKN to GSW). The Nets were not going to keep DLo anyway, and they gave up no picks in the Durant "trade."
So it shouldn't be especially hard for the Nets to get more back for Durant than they gave up to acquire him.
Your friend has done one hell of a job
Have to imagine Miami is in the mix...??
If it’s the best package, why wouldn’t they trade with the Knicks? You’re telling me if the Knicks offered, RJ, Obi, salaries to match, and a cache of first round picks that the Nets wouldn’t listen?
Phoenix is def the #1 contender, but I could see the Nets demanding Booker.
Have to imagine Miami is in the mix...??
They have the right GM in place to try and make some honey out of burning embers.
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Will land in Phoenix, Ayton plus in BK and Durant will try and fix his “rep” by helping Chris Paul finally get over the hump. It’s not exactly winning with the Knicks but that’s my strong gut feel
Phoenix is def the #1 contender, but I could see the Nets demanding Booker.
It’ll be centered around a sign and trade for Ayton. The Suns would do this to team Durant and Booker, not to deal Booker
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Will land in Phoenix, Ayton plus in BK and Durant will try and fix his “rep” by helping Chris Paul finally get over the hump. It’s not exactly winning with the Knicks but that’s my strong gut feel
Phoenix is def the #1 contender, but I could see the Nets demanding Booker.
Not happening. I could see Ayton plus a bevy of picks (#1s). I expect they'll try to move Kyrie too for some #1s.
They'll need some filler players for a year or two, but Marks is good - if Tsai lets him build his team.
Yes. If they move to North Dakota.
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Will land in Phoenix, Ayton plus in BK and Durant will try and fix his “rep” by helping Chris Paul finally get over the hump. It’s not exactly winning with the Knicks but that’s my strong gut feel
Phoenix is def the #1 contender, but I could see the Nets demanding Booker.
It’ll be centered around a sign and trade for Ayton. The Suns would do this to team Durant and Booker, not to deal Booker
In my mind, don't see how this deal gets done without Booker. The Suns picks will not be very good and they don't have any other real good young players. Ayton is not enough. I could definitely be wrong, but the Suns need more assets to make this deal happen.
In my mind, that is New Orleans with Ingram or Zion as a starting point and they have a ton of picks.
Disagree with you on that... The picks from Phoenix will be terrible unless they wait till 2026 or something. Bridges is a role player, maybe a 3 way deal where they get picks for him.
Ayton and Bridges? Does PHO have picks?
In my mind, that is New Orleans with Ingram or Zion as a starting point and they have a ton of picks.
Not sure Zion is a huge get. I bet if you polled GM's in private, many wouldn't touch him long term. And its a shame because I love how he plays (so I can see ticket sales being a factor for some) but I don't see how he has a long, healthy career.
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In my mind, that is New Orleans with Ingram or Zion as a starting point and they have a ton of picks.
Not sure Zion is a huge get. I bet if you polled GM's in private, many wouldn't touch him long term. And its a shame because I love how he plays (so I can see ticket sales being a factor for some) but I don't see how he has a long, healthy career.
I'm just thinking of teams with a good young piece and picks. I don't like any package Phoenix can put together, but Miami could possibly do something with Bam and Herro.
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The Rockets own the rights to or can swap picks with Brooklyn in each of the next 5 years:
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2025 Nets 1st round swap
2026 Nets 1st rd pick
2027 Nets 1st round swap
And every single one of those picks is UNPROTECTED.
I'm just thinking of teams with a good young piece and picks. I don't like any package Phoenix can put together, but Miami could possibly do something with Bam and Herro.
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The Nets are not allowed to acquire a player like Bam Adebayo from the Heat because of the Designated Rookie Extension rule.
You cannot have 2 players acquired via a trade that were signed to that type of extension.
Brooklyn already has Ben Simmons.
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The Rockets own the rights to or can swap picks with Brooklyn in each of the next 5 years:
2023 Nets 1st round swap
2024 Nets 1st rd pick
2025 Nets 1st round swap
2026 Nets 1st rd pick
2027 Nets 1st round swap
And every single one of those picks is UNPROTECTED.
Holy shit.
and the 26 and 27
next years swap will be irrelevant and the 25 swap likely not exciting either.
Net.
That one guy in New Jersey must be devastated.
Lebron and KD on the same team would be cool.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
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Miami can trade 3 future first-round picks (plus Jovic) *if* they amend the lottery-protected 2025 first-round pick they owe the Thunder to remove the protections. I triple-checked this with @BobbyMarks42
and a few league execs.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
Don't give Durant a pass. While he isn't Kyrie.....you make your bed, you sleep in it. Durants ego did this.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.
Fuck the Nets and Fuck Boston. Kyrie is the man.
@ZachLowe_NBA
Miami can trade 3 future first-round picks (plus Jovic) *if* they amend the lottery-protected 2025 first-round pick they owe the Thunder to remove the protections. I triple-checked this with @BobbyMarks42
and a few league execs.
However, the Bam thing really makes a deal tough for Miami to pull off.
I still say the Nets can get the best packages from New Orleans or Memphis of teams that could be contenders with KD.
Bunch of clowns who just wanted the keys to a franchise
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this is just another team, now, that Kyrie has destroyed.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
Don't give Durant a pass. While he isn't Kyrie.....you make your bed, you sleep in it. Durants ego did this.
That's fair.
But I can absolve Durant more than Kyrie.
Nets can't get Simmons on the court.
Why would they risk taking another high-risk player like Zion, who seems more interested in eating than becoming a great basketball player?
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I'm just thinking of teams with a good young piece and picks. I don't like any package Phoenix can put together, but Miami could possibly do something with Bam and Herro.
Just saw this. So Miami can't trade Bam
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The Nets are not allowed to acquire a player like Bam Adebayo from the Heat because of the Designated Rookie Extension rule.
You cannot have 2 players acquired via a trade that were signed to that type of extension.
Brooklyn already has Ben Simmons.
Unless Simmons goes with Durant...
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
maybe don't trust a guy who's clearly unreliable in the first place? Bottom line is that Durant chose Kyrie over Steph and company because HE wanted his own thing. He's an all time great, but nobody ever accused him of being smart....
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if the Nets like Zion
Nets can't get Simmons on the court.
Why would they risk taking another high-risk player like Zion, who seems more interested in eating than becoming a great basketball player?
Zion looks to be in amazing shape right now
Why would GS do that? They just won the title and Wiseman didn't even play. Awful deal for them.
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Net fan.
Net.
That one guy in New Jersey must be devastated.
Evan Roberts lives in Westchester
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this is just another team, now, that Kyrie has destroyed.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
maybe don't trust a guy who's clearly unreliable in the first place? Bottom line is that Durant chose Kyrie over Steph and company because HE wanted his own thing. He's an all time great, but nobody ever accused him of being smart....
I get the point. Durant put his friendship with Kyrie over all of the intel about Kyrie's checkered past. But they are friends and he obviously bought what Kyrie was selling. And Durant got duped.
By the way I’m not all that impressed with bam abedayo, why do people act like he is some superstar. Like holy smokes if Miami includes bam it’s a done?
How is that better then RJ, reddish, mcbride, the 3 1st rounders we just got, the Dallas 1st rounder and 4 of our own first rounders.
I would do it in a heart beat. We will end up getting another superstar during free agency next year
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this is just another team, now, that Kyrie has destroyed.
I have to imagine one of Durant's key reasons for this ask is Kyrie. You just can't depend on or trust this guy when you really want to chase or win a championship. Which Durant clearly wants...
maybe don't trust a guy who's clearly unreliable in the first place? Bottom line is that Durant chose Kyrie over Steph and company because HE wanted his own thing. He's an all time great, but nobody ever accused him of being smart....
I get the point. Durant put his friendship with Kyrie over all of the intel about Kyrie's checkered past. But they are friends and he obviously bought what Kyrie was selling. And Durant got duped.
calling him a victim here is being too kind IMO. But it's probably best not to analyze this guy too much. At the end of the day, he's a weirdo who gets high all day and argues with teenagers on twitter.
calling him a victim here is being too kind IMO. But it's probably best not to analyze this guy too much. At the end of the day, he's a weirdo who gets high all day and argues with teenagers on twitter.
That's a great KD description right there
No way. GS is ideally positioned for the short and long term. They can contend for the championship for the next two-three years (assuming health); and they have enough young pieces to prepare for life without the big three.
I wouldn't even consider that Knicks trade.
I wouldn't even consider that Knicks trade.
Ok. lol. Enjoy another 30 win season.
I'll drive and pick up Durant myself.
Kyrie they'll probably trade for a bag of basketballs at this point.
The Nets knew once they played hardball with Kyrie this may happen and behind closed doors I'm not sure how upset they are. They gave these guys everything they wanted and they couldn't even make an ECF.
If you're not going to win with them (which I've felt for awhile) better off trading them and starting over.
Somebody knew. And per NetsDaily today, Durant has in fact specified Suns as preferred destination.
shyster : 6/27/2022 4:40 pm : link
Deandre Ayton to the Nets
is a thing, betting odds dropping fast.
And the talk is this would mean Durant to the Suns.
Somebody knew. And per NetsDaily today, Durant has in fact specified Suns as preferred destination.
shyster : 6/27/2022 4:40 pm : link
Deandre Ayton to the Nets
is a thing, betting odds dropping fast.
And the talk is this would mean Durant to the Suns.
Aayton, Bridges and some firsts is probably as good of a haul as you'll get. No one is trading a young star for Durant at his age.
Good luck with that. Immense talent, likely won't have a long career due to his health.
I'd take Bridges and a ton of draft picks.
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Denver is reportedly making a strong run at Durant with Michael Porter as the centerpiece.
Good luck with that. Immense talent, likely won't have a long career due to his health.
Don't kill the messenger, have just heard Denver has been very aggressive on Durant and they have some assets.
I agree. It's very off-putting. The whole draft night thing and their salary cap calculus also drive me bonkers.
i also don't blame the nets org, we had 2 fun years and it was a joy to watch KD play at the level he did. he delivered. 1 shoe size smaller and he keeps Giannis from getting his ring.
i've always been a big bridges fan so that phoenix package works for me. don't love Ayton, but collectively it's a good enough team to not get too worked up about the houston trade and pick swaps. they will likely bring back a bunch of picks too.
whatever happens as long as someone pushes kyrie off the flat edge of the earth im happy. is there a more unlikeable modern athlete in nba history?
The Nets should get Spencer Dinwiddie back for the culture.
Towns edwards and Durant would be a shit ton of fun.
Saw a comment that Windhorst just predicted Kyrie as the one going to Mavs or Lakers.
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Denver is reportedly making a strong run at Durant with Michael Porter as the centerpiece.
Good luck with that. Immense talent, likely won't have a long career due to his health.
Denver is my ideal landing spot for Durant from a strictly basketball lover POV. Him and Jokic together would be poetry in motion, Jokic would get KD the easiest looks of his career.
But yea, MPJ ain't cutting it due to the health concerns. Not to mention he's another questionable personality and I'm sure the Nets are sick of those type of players.
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Denver is reportedly making a strong run at Durant with Michael Porter as the centerpiece.
Good luck with that. Immense talent, likely won't have a long career due to his health.
Denver is my ideal landing spot for Durant from a strictly basketball lover POV. Him and Jokic together would be poetry in motion, Jokic would get KD the easiest looks of his career.
But yea, MPJ ain't cutting it due to the health concerns. Not to mention he's another questionable personality and I'm sure the Nets are sick of those type of players.
Actually, I take that back. Brainfart, forgot he played with Steph and Klay and got easy as hell looks in GS lol.
But Jokic would definitely get him awesome looks and that 2 man game would be filthy.
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Don’t know if it is possible
Saw a comment that Windhorst just predicted Kyrie as the one going to Mavs or Lakers.
I could see Kyrie to the Lakers for Westbrook and an unprotected 2027 pick.
@TheNBACentral
Anonymous executive suggests a 3 team trade that would send Kyrie to the Lakers
“You could do three teams, Kyrie to the Lakers, Gobert to Brooklyn, and Russ to Utah, with the Jazz probably buying him out.”
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“There are other teams in the league that can beat Phoenix’s offer of Bridges, Johnson and an Ayton sign and trade for Durant. Negations would have to start with Devin Booker. 😳
- @JakeLFischer
on KD to PHX
without Bam, the Phoenix offer is clearly a lot better.
both teams are KD away from winning rings so it all lines up unless some other team goes crazy.
but considering Ayton was already rumored to the Nets, him + Bridges + picks seems like a no brainer for all involved.
I think phoenix could actually salary match it by including cp3?
@TheNBACentral
Anonymous executive suggests a 3 team trade that would send Kyrie to the Lakers
“You could do three teams, Kyrie to the Lakers, Gobert to Brooklyn, and Russ to Utah, with the Jazz probably buying him out.”
Everyone seems to be trying to bail the Lakers out with these trade suggestions. Nobody wants Russ. The Nets and Utah could pull that off without bailing the Lakers out. Wouldn’t the Jazz rather have Kyrie than Russ? Why would they want Russ?
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Brian Windhorst, on ESPN, says Durant is “focused” on landing in Phoenix, and that one reason KD requested the trade today (before start of FA) was so that DeAndre Ayton could be included in a potential trade package.
Windy notes KD’s relationship with CP3 and and Devin Booker.
he's gone full kanye. he actually makes simmons seem stable.
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Brian Windhorst, on ESPN, says Durant is “focused” on landing in Phoenix, and that one reason KD requested the trade today (before start of FA) was so that DeAndre Ayton could be included in a potential trade package.
Windy notes KD’s relationship with CP3 and and Devin Booker.
this makes sense so it's basically just KD picking CP3 or Kyrie.
and then the nets figuring out who will take Kyrie if it's not phoenix because they need to move him before the KD deal bc of lux tax.
just hope he chooses kyrie again. if he does they won't win.
honestly as a net he's been loyal to a fault to kyrie. that's been his priority over everything including basketball.
kd was no drama extended in october and if not for kyrie he would have stayed in brooklyn for his last few good years.
he's only asking out now bc kyrie went scorched earth and he wants to have a shot to win in his last few prime years.
@TheNBACentral
Anonymous executive suggests a 3 team trade that would send Kyrie to the Lakers
“You could do three teams, Kyrie to the Lakers, Gobert to Brooklyn, and Russ to Utah, with the Jazz probably buying him out.”
If Ayton is part of a KD deal, what the hell would the Nets want with Gobert? With Simmons, that would be the worst offensive team in a decade.
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Don’t know if it is possible
Saw a comment that Windhorst just predicted Kyrie as the one going to Mavs or Lakers.
TERRIBLE move for Mavs to get Kyrie. Needs the ball in his hands way too often. KD on the other hand...
that makes more sense than a russell westbrook and picks deal. unless there's a 3rd team willing to take westbrook which is doubtful.
The biggest, self-involved jackass in professional sports. By far.
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"I don't really plan on going anywhere. When I say I'm here with Kev, I think that it really entails us managing this franchise together alongside Joe and Sean..."
The biggest, self-involved jackass in professional sports. By far.
so true we actually agree on something.
weaker than when he went to GS team that won 73 games? lol...
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"I don't really plan on going anywhere. When I say I'm here with Kev, I think that it really entails us managing this franchise together alongside Joe and Sean..."
The biggest, self-involved jackass in professional sports. By far.
I remember reading that & thinking someone made it up because-even for Irving's standards-it out sounded bonkers. But then I saw the clip...
Then when he opts into his contract on Monday, he drops this gem: "Normal people keep the world going, but those who dare to be different lead us into tomorrow"...like WTF is he even talking about?
he's gone full kanye.
Kyrie for President
2024
I thought Beal was leaving Washington
By the way I’m not all that impressed with bam abedayo, why do people act like he is some superstar. Like holy smokes if Miami includes bam it’s a done?
How is that better then RJ, reddish, mcbride, the 3 1st rounders we just got, the Dallas 1st rounder and 4 of our own first rounders.
I would do it in a heart beat. We will end up getting another superstar during free agency next year
Have you watched Bam play?
Durant might be the most thinned skin professional athlete of all time..if he's stuck here and sulks, he'll start shitting on anyone, especially on twitter, who even jokingly breaks his balls...
Highly doubt it, it will be a non-stop toxic circus. Just look at Ben Simmons in Philly and that pales in comparison to what it would be if the Nets didn't budge with an actual star player.
That said I'd love to see it, and it would get me to follow the NBA next year.
It's a choice, but good luck getting players to want to go there in the future if that's the choice they want to make. If you can treat KD like that, what would you do to me? is the message that sends.
Fans like to blame nba players but I don’t care what guys like Durant dictate or do. If you’re good enough and can dictate where to be traded if and when your team shits itself why the hell not? Fans are just mad but we’d all do it if we could. Plus it’s hilarious.
Ps no player ever demanded a trade off the Knicks. Just saying.
Fun day for Knicks fans. Rejoice.
Oh and lol at anyone who thinks the nets wouldn’t sell off the entire franchise along with Durant for Zion. NO isn’t moving Zion so forget that noise. Guy is goi BFF to be one of the many faces of the nba for the next decade. He was hurt last year. He won’t be hurt for long. Beast.
before the boston series i'd have said no chance, but based on how poorly kd played you'd have had to be blind to not have some concerns for him carrying the team to a championship going forward after that. especially if the #2 is kyrie since he's so unreliable. kd played his 4 worst games as a net by far, and had he played even 50% to the level he'd played vs. Milwaukee they sweep boston. he averaged 5.5 turnovers and shot under 40%.
bostons D on KD gets overrated as an excuse in my view because milwaukee was throwing everything they had at him too, including PJ tucker and middleton. with a supporting cast doing nothing and no kyrie.
if everyone bought in harmoniously (ironically as harden did in Philly) im sure they would have run it back with Simmons but once kyrie decided to do what he does best i think they said maybe the best move is a reset. those pick swaps were out there either way and if KD just isn't the MVP level player anymore in a year or two (or already) then they'd really be stuck.
i really like the phoenix deal depending on how many picks they can get back. Ayton is 24, Bridges is 26, Simmons is 26, Claxton (who they just resigned) is 23. Bruce Brown is 26 and i think they will bring him back. nowhere near a contender but maybe 1 or 2 of those end up pieces to build on and if they recoup enough picks they have ammo to add. Ayton and Simmons were 1OA picks for a reason. I'm a big bridges fan going back to nova though.
There's just something really offputting with the way the NBA operates now and its starting to materialize in the NFL as well. Sports aren't ending because of it, but for many fans it just isn't as enjoyable to watch happen and really cheapens the competitive nature, IMO.
Agree with the hilarious comment, though. Its good for drama, which is about all I watch/follow the NBA for these days.
loved brown on the team they had--- could afford to have a non shooter-
but for the future he doesnt fit unfortunately- and they traded for white who can hit 3's more consistently for that role of sorts
will miss him favorite guy of this error
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which is weird bc i thought the nets had the right to match and he got a very reasonable deal.
loved brown on the team they had--- could afford to have a non shooter-
but for the future he doesnt fit unfortunately- and they traded for white who can hit 3's more consistently for that role of sorts
will miss him favorite guy of this error
i see that side of it but add the first round pick oneal cost, and dont you prefer to keep that and the guy 3 years younger? browns shot was developing, i think he shot 40% vs. boston including some big ones late/close. i'd have kept him over patty or claxton too. the stage they are entering it seems imprudent to let any young asset walk even if the fit isn't perfect.
Kylie and a 2nd piece to LAL for Westbrook and ‘27 & ‘29 1st’s. Westbrook with Simmons and Aston would be one of the worst shooting line ups in recent memory, but you dump $47M in salary next year. I’d do that in a heartbeat, as much as I hate to help LA.
Kylie and a 2nd piece to LAL for Westbrook and ‘27 & ‘29 1st’s. Westbrook with Simmons and Aston would be one of the worst shooting line ups in recent memory, but you dump $47M in salary next year. I’d do that in a heartbeat, as much as I hate to help LA.
Kyrie, not Kylie, what a weird auto-correct.
Ps no player ever demanded a trade off the Knicks. Just saying.
Technically Patrick Ewing did. He was 37 though.
Durant is going to be 34; and I'm not convinced he's going to be as productive as LBJ as he enters his mid-30s and beyond. He doesn't look like an athlete who spends time building a better, more durable body.
So, I think this is a blessing in disguise for the Nets and they should cut bait on this failed experiment with KD and KI.
Bunch of clowns who just wanted the keys to a franchise
The word "corny" is so meta.
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They have Durant under contract for the rest of his prime. If they don’t find a deal they like, I bet they play hardball and dare Durant to just pout for 4 years.
Durant is going to be 34; and I'm not convinced he's going to be as productive as LBJ as he enters his mid-30s and beyond. He doesn't look like an athlete who spends time building a better, more durable body.
So, I think this is a blessing in disguise for the Nets and they should cut bait on this failed experiment with KD and KI.
it's only a blessing if the Nets get back an insanely talented player or recoup the picks and talent they lost when trading for Durant.
We shall see about that. Usually teams never get back enough when they traded away the best player in the trade.
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They have Durant under contract for the rest of his prime. If they don’t find a deal they like, I bet they play hardball and dare Durant to just pout for 4 years.
Durant is going to be 34; and I'm not convinced he's going to be as productive as LBJ as he enters his mid-30s and beyond. He doesn't look like an athlete who spends time building a better, more durable body.
So, I think this is a blessing in disguise for the Nets and they should cut bait on this failed experiment with KD and KI.
it's only a blessing if the Nets get back an insanely talented player or recoup the picks and talent they lost when trading for Durant.
We shall see about that. Usually teams never get back enough when they traded away the best player in the trade.
The Nets acquired KD via sign-and-trade (they could have signed him outright) and they received a protected first-round pick in the trade (which did not convey). DeAngelo Russell went the other direction (from BKN to GSW). The Nets were not going to keep DLo anyway, and they gave up no picks in the Durant "trade."
So it shouldn't be especially hard for the Nets to get more back for Durant than they gave up to acquire him.