Ian Begley
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Multiple teams have expressed interest in NYK’s Taj Gibson during FA period. Gibson’s contract for next year is fully non-guaranteed. NYK could waive Gibson to create cap space for Brunson or acquire Brunson via S&T. His NYK teammates have roundly praised Gibson over past 3 years
The crazy thing is the GM was getting all kinds of praise for getting out from under Wall's deal and essentially turning it into a couple of good rotational pieces like Kuczma and Caldwell Pope and then he goes and anchors them down with Beal and a non trade for 50 mill the next 5 years. Mind boggling.
Taj is a real warrior, leader and can still play BUT.... with Randle, Obi, Sims, Hartenstein, Mitch and Thibs propensity to roll with what he knows... probably better for both sides to move on. Doesn't even include some small ball 4 for RJB and Reddish.
what the Durant deal winds up looking like. Given the reportedly interested teams, it's hard to see any sort of package that would satisfy the Nets (and their fans). Toronto isn't going to trade Scottie Barnes and it's unlikely (although possible) they'd part with Siakam, OG and picks. It almost seems inevitable that it's a Phoenix deal around Bridges, Cam and maybe Ayton in a s&t.
given his age and their past issues with retaining stars. Zion and Ingram (seemingly) want to be there and they'd be pressing their luck and opening up a possible short title window (and I don't think they'd be legit contenders this year)
Then if not NOLA, I think Raps have best offer. But I agree...I don't see them parting with Barnes. And I wouldn't either; he's 20 or 21 & looks like he can be a multi-time All Star going forward. KD is 34 & has health concerns.
I like listening to NBA radio in Sirius but it's wall to wall Durant 24 hours a day now. They do that. For like months last season it was non stop Ben Simmons. It seems to me Phoenix and them are a perfect fit. They don't want to pay Ayton, and Durant fits perfectly into their contending window right now. Ayton, maybe another promising young player and some picks is probably the best the Nets are gonna do.
Yeah, I wouldn't doubt that. Whoever ends up with KD better be sure he wants to be there or he'll make it miserable for all parties. Gun to head, I think he ends up in Phoenix, but we'll see when. Marks is going to ask for the stars & the moon. He should.
I find it weak AF on Durant's part that the teams he most wants to be traded to are the Suns, winners of 64 games & a Finals participant 13 months ago, & the Heat, a Buckets 3 from going to the Finals this spring.
KD is a helluva talent...he is probably top 20 all time. But he comes across as mentally weak/always looking for an easy way out.
I was listening to a pod-I forget which one-that mentioned that even if KD is traded to Phoenix, it'll be similar to him going to Golden State, in that it'll never be his team. Curry is beloved by Dubs fans & apparently Booker has the same relationship with Suns fans, though Steph is obviously a much superior talent.
Yeah, I wouldn't doubt that. Whoever ends up with KD better be sure he wants to be there or he'll make it miserable for all parties. Gun to head, I think he ends up in Phoenix, but we'll see when. Marks is going to ask for the stars & the moon. He should.
He should but like the Kawhi to Toronto deal, he'll cave eventually. Unfortunately for the rest of us, that may not be until September
A part of me wants Mark to all but say 'Fuck you KD. You're under contract for the next 4 years. We aren't moving you just to placate you & Rich Kleiman. If it takes until 2024, so be it.'
A part of me wants Mark to all but say 'Fuck you KD. You're under contract for the next 4 years. We aren't moving you just to placate you & Rich Kleiman. If it takes until 2024, so be it.'
That’s exactly what I’m hoping for. It’s going to take teams to start taking a hard stance if they want this nonsense to stop. But they won’t. They know it’s too easy for players to play the game to sit out and get paid. The ole “ ouch, my hammy hurts” or “I think I tweaked my back” always does the trick. Until teams can figure out if a player is faking an injury, they are at their mercy. And it’s not easy to say a player is faking it.
Look @ Simmons & his back. I generally side with the players over the owners, but this 'player empowerment' is getting annoying AF. Half of these guys sign a contract & are immediately bitching & asking for a trade before you know it. Look at Zion...he just reupped with the Pels. I'd be shocked if he's not demanding a trade within the next couple of years if NOLA isn't a title contender.
Look @ Simmons & his back. I generally side with the players over the owners, but this 'player empowerment' is getting annoying AF. Half of these guys sign a contract & are immediately bitching & asking for a trade before you know it. Look at Zion...he just reupped with the Pels. I'd be shocked if he's not demanding a trade within the next couple of years if NOLA isn't a title contender.
And Harden. He literally came in fat and out of shape to try to force Houston to trade him. He intentionally sabotaged the team to get his way. I get the idea of why people think player empowerment is a good thing. And I suppose it is in theory. But the reality of it is that it brings out the worst in people and it can often times be an incredibly bad look for those that take extreme measures to get what they want. And it sucks for the fans. Which always takes a back seat
Look @ Simmons & his back. I generally side with the players over the owners, but this 'player empowerment' is getting annoying AF. Half of these guys sign a contract & are immediately bitching & asking for a trade before you know it. Look at Zion...he just reupped with the Pels. I'd be shocked if he's not demanding a trade within the next couple of years if NOLA isn't a title contender.
Yeah, unintended consequences of the designated vet player extension/supermax rules. Instead of incentivizing players to stay with their teams, they're just signing bigger contracts and forcing their way out anyways. I guess you could say that the silver lining is that it does allow teams to recoup some value vs losing a player for nothing in FA. Truth be told, my opinion is that the best way to fix this is to do away with max contracts altogether. It would lead to superstar players having to choose between getting paid far more money and going to whatever existing good team they want to go to. I bet most would choose the money.
Look @ Simmons & his back. I generally side with the players over the owners, but this 'player empowerment' is getting annoying AF. Half of these guys sign a contract & are immediately bitching & asking for a trade before you know it. Look at Zion...he just reupped with the Pels. I'd be shocked if he's not demanding a trade within the next couple of years if NOLA isn't a title contender.
Yeah, unintended consequences of the designated vet player extension/supermax rules. Instead of incentivizing players to stay with their teams, they're just signing bigger contracts and forcing their way out anyways. I guess you could say that the silver lining is that it does allow teams to recoup some value vs losing a player for nothing in FA. Truth be told, my opinion is that the best way to fix this is to do away with max contracts altogether. It would lead to superstar players having to choose between getting paid far more money and going to whatever existing good team they want to go to. I bet most would choose the money.
if you eliminate the max contracts and go to ta hard cap, it would solve a lot of these problems. And it would help to prop up small market teams as well.
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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The New York Knicks and two-way center Jericho Sims have agreed on a new three-year NBA contract, sources tell @TheAthletic
@Stadium
. Sims averaged 13.5 minutes and 4.1 rebounds in 41 games as a rookie last season, and now earns a standard deal.
Fred Katz
@FredKatz
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Second-round pick Trevor Keels will sign a two-way contract with the Knicks, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA
. Knicks opened up a two-way spot by giving Jericho Sims a three-year contract, as @ShamsCharania
just reported.
well I guess good for him. Memphis is well run, so they know more than I do.
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Memphis Grizzlies G John Konchar has agreed to a three-year, $19 million contract extension, his agent @GeorgeLangberg
tells ESPN. The deal, fully guaranteed, will take the undrafted guard out of Purdue-Ft. Wayne to $30M in career earnings.
And the deal will be announced in the coming days, but just not yet. The Knicks were not commenting on what the delay was, but there are a number of reasons it could be delayed. One person with knowledge of the situation confirmed that Brunson had an already-scheduled vacation and a camp appearance and would then head to New York for his physical and finish the paperwork.
The delay does leave the possibility of a sign-and-trade if the Knicks and Mavericks could find a suitable exchange. That would allow the Mavericks to recoup something in return for Brunson, although helping the Knicks salary cap situation might not be of interest to Dallas executives who were unhappy with some of the Knicks pursuit of Brunson — particularly the front-row playoff game appearance of Knicks executive vice president William Wesley, along with Allan Houston and Julius Randle.
A sign-and-trade would help the Knicks finish off their roster planning. With the salaries of Brunson and Hartenstein the Knicks would run up to the limit of the cap again, needing to waive the non-guaranteed contract of Taj Gibson to fit the two newcomers on the roster. If they do waive Gibson’s $5.2 million deal, they could still bring him back and he has expressed not only a desire to remain in New York, but also to serve as a coach when his playing days are done.
Completely understand going on vacation with your girlfriend but wild to me that Brunson would risk getting injured (in any possible way) BEFORE signing the contract, not criticizing him, I'd just be in bubble wrap until the ink was dry
Zion stayed but I think them giving him the guaranteed money + that respectable playoff showing made him more receptive to staying there long-term. I literally had a conversation with a member of the Pelicans' coaching staff/front office a few weeks before the playoffs and he said he thought Zion was definitely going to be elsewhere long-term. Wonder why he thought that at the time and wonder what/if anything changed. But I'm happy for New Orleans and happy for Zion. He seems like a really nice kid and I hope he stays healthy.
He's so damn fun to watch, health is the only thing that will stop him from being in that Shaq/LeBron/Giannis tier of scoring at the rim at will. Hopefully he cuts weight and gets closer to his Duke playing weight. He was so much better on defense at Duke when he was like 30 lbs lighter.
that money. With his odd body type and injury history the risk factor would be insane. I mean look at a guy like boogie, he thought he would be getting probably 150-200 million type deals and due to injuries it never happened for him. Its why these guys are signing these deals even when they dont want to be somewhere. Then they just whine their way out of town.
Zion stayed but I think them giving him the guaranteed money + that respectable playoff showing made him more receptive to staying there long-term. I literally had a conversation with a member of the Pelicans' coaching staff/front office a few weeks before the playoffs and he said he thought Zion was definitely going to be elsewhere long-term. Wonder why he thought that at the time and wonder what/if anything changed. But I'm happy for New Orleans and happy for Zion. He seems like a really nice kid and I hope he stays healthy.
He's so damn fun to watch, health is the only thing that will stop him from being in that Shaq/LeBron/Giannis tier of scoring at the rim at will. Hopefully he cuts weight and gets closer to his Duke playing weight. He was so much better on defense at Duke when he was like 30 lbs lighter.
He legit seems like a great kid. Always smiling, tons of charitable stuff, for his own sake I hope he can stay healthy and keep the weight off. He would (and maybe in the future will be) an absolute mega-watt A+ star in a major market aka NY. His most recent picture, he's looking much, much leaner. Good for him.
Towns isn't capable of guarding the smaller quicker 4s in the league, and Gobert isn't a good enough post scorer to punish teams for putting those smaller quicker 4s on him.
IMO, Minny traded all those picks because they know that if this crazy experiment doesn't work then they can trade Towns and recoup a lot of that draft capital.
Anthony Edwards is their Franchise guy now imo, and they're hoping he takes a Ja Morant-like leap in Year 3. It's possible, that kid has star written all over him, but while they're high as ever on Edwards it seems like they're low as ever on Towns.
It's possible that the Towns at PF experiment does work, especially if Edwards ascends to "legit NBA star level" and Gobert remains a DPOY type of player. But if this doesn't work out, I could easily see Towns being on another team next year. Hell, if they stink up the joint to start the year, maybe he even gets traded mid-season. If that's the case, then the Knicks would 100% be one of the teams that aggressively goes after him imo.
think Edwards will become a star. He says some "funny" stuff in interviews but by all accounts works extremely hard on his game and that a switch has turned on since going pro.
c'mon, there is shooting high and there is "absurd"
REPORT: The Brooklyn Nets asked the Minnesota Timberwolves for Karl-Anthony Towns, Anthony Edwards, and 4 draft-picks in exchange for Kevin Durant.
-Chris Haynes
They are shooting high because they have no intention of trading him, they figure if they get what they ask for awesome but they are going to go to KD and be like hey we tried
c'mon, there is shooting high and there is "absurd"
REPORT: The Brooklyn Nets asked the Minnesota Timberwolves for Karl-Anthony Towns, Anthony Edwards, and 4 draft-picks in exchange for Kevin Durant.
-Chris Haynes
They are shooting high because they have no intention of trading him, they figure if they get what they ask for awesome but they are going to go to KD and be like hey we tried
exactly
I agree with that. From what I've seen Nets fans and bloggers
say on Twitter I think they'll be floored when they see the actual return. Like this one
Robin Lundberg
@robinlundberg
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Jul 5
May be true but I don’t do Phoenix deal without another team(s) and better assets involved and I don’t do Toronto deal without Barnes. Otherwise tell KD I’ll see him in Fall.
Listening to some pods/watching TV...the Nets value getting 2 good pros over draft picks. I think this saga is going to last a bit. I still would love to know what caused KD to go scorched earth with the Nets organization. I know the speculation, but KD is ghosting everyone apparently.
Listening to some pods/watching TV...the Nets value getting 2 good pros over draft picks. I think this saga is going to last a bit. I still would love to know what caused KD to go scorched earth with the Nets organization. I know the speculation, but KD is ghosting everyone apparently.
I am sure they will get a lot for him, but I think teams will be hesitant to give Brooklyn any where near what they are looking for. At this point is KD all that much less of a nut than Kyrie? This will be his 4th team in like 6 years, so clearly you can’t count on him stick around long, he comes off as a total douche in interviews, had a burner account on Twitter, and now routinely goes after fans on there from his main account. Between that and the fact that he’s 34 years old and pretty much always injured, how do you give up even what Minnesota just gave up for Gobert and feel good about it?
Really the only case you can make for it is if by bringing him in you’re the favorite to win the title. I guess you could argue that would be the case in Phoenix, but then you probably only have a 2 year window and can you count on him and CP3 both making it through a full postseason? Just seems like a huge risk that not many teams are in the position to take.
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@IanBegley
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Multiple teams have expressed interest in NYK’s Taj Gibson during FA period. Gibson’s contract for next year is fully non-guaranteed. NYK could waive Gibson to create cap space for Brunson or acquire Brunson via S&T. His NYK teammates have roundly praised Gibson over past 3 years
The crazy thing is the GM was getting all kinds of praise for getting out from under Wall's deal and essentially turning it into a couple of good rotational pieces like Kuczma and Caldwell Pope and then he goes and anchors them down with Beal and a non trade for 50 mill the next 5 years. Mind boggling.
Yeah, one of the SL players I'm most interested to see.
I’m guessing there is no way in hell KD agrees to go to NO. Not a chance. And if he makes that known, the Pels aren’t touching him
KD is a helluva talent...he is probably top 20 all time. But he comes across as mentally weak/always looking for an easy way out.
I was listening to a pod-I forget which one-that mentioned that even if KD is traded to Phoenix, it'll be similar to him going to Golden State, in that it'll never be his team. Curry is beloved by Dubs fans & apparently Booker has the same relationship with Suns fans, though Steph is obviously a much superior talent.
He should but like the Kawhi to Toronto deal, he'll cave eventually. Unfortunately for the rest of us, that may not be until September
That’s exactly what I’m hoping for. It’s going to take teams to start taking a hard stance if they want this nonsense to stop. But they won’t. They know it’s too easy for players to play the game to sit out and get paid. The ole “ ouch, my hammy hurts” or “I think I tweaked my back” always does the trick. Until teams can figure out if a player is faking an injury, they are at their mercy. And it’s not easy to say a player is faking it.
And Harden. He literally came in fat and out of shape to try to force Houston to trade him. He intentionally sabotaged the team to get his way. I get the idea of why people think player empowerment is a good thing. And I suppose it is in theory. But the reality of it is that it brings out the worst in people and it can often times be an incredibly bad look for those that take extreme measures to get what they want. And it sucks for the fans. Which always takes a back seat
Yeah, unintended consequences of the designated vet player extension/supermax rules. Instead of incentivizing players to stay with their teams, they're just signing bigger contracts and forcing their way out anyways. I guess you could say that the silver lining is that it does allow teams to recoup some value vs losing a player for nothing in FA. Truth be told, my opinion is that the best way to fix this is to do away with max contracts altogether. It would lead to superstar players having to choose between getting paid far more money and going to whatever existing good team they want to go to. I bet most would choose the money.
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Look @ Simmons & his back. I generally side with the players over the owners, but this 'player empowerment' is getting annoying AF. Half of these guys sign a contract & are immediately bitching & asking for a trade before you know it. Look at Zion...he just reupped with the Pels. I'd be shocked if he's not demanding a trade within the next couple of years if NOLA isn't a title contender.
Yeah, unintended consequences of the designated vet player extension/supermax rules. Instead of incentivizing players to stay with their teams, they're just signing bigger contracts and forcing their way out anyways. I guess you could say that the silver lining is that it does allow teams to recoup some value vs losing a player for nothing in FA. Truth be told, my opinion is that the best way to fix this is to do away with max contracts altogether. It would lead to superstar players having to choose between getting paid far more money and going to whatever existing good team they want to go to. I bet most would choose the money.
if you eliminate the max contracts and go to ta hard cap, it would solve a lot of these problems. And it would help to prop up small market teams as well.
@ShamsCharania
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The New York Knicks and two-way center Jericho Sims have agreed on a new three-year NBA contract, sources tell @TheAthletic
@Stadium
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@FredKatz
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Second-round pick Trevor Keels will sign a two-way contract with the Knicks, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA
. Knicks opened up a two-way spot by giving Jericho Sims a three-year contract, as @ShamsCharania
just reported.
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Memphis Grizzlies G John Konchar has agreed to a three-year, $19 million contract extension, his agent @GeorgeLangberg
tells ESPN. The deal, fully guaranteed, will take the undrafted guard out of Purdue-Ft. Wayne to $30M in career earnings.
The official word is Brunson is on vacation with his girlfriend causing the delay.
The delay does leave the possibility of a sign-and-trade if the Knicks and Mavericks could find a suitable exchange. That would allow the Mavericks to recoup something in return for Brunson, although helping the Knicks salary cap situation might not be of interest to Dallas executives who were unhappy with some of the Knicks pursuit of Brunson — particularly the front-row playoff game appearance of Knicks executive vice president William Wesley, along with Allan Houston and Julius Randle.
A sign-and-trade would help the Knicks finish off their roster planning. With the salaries of Brunson and Hartenstein the Knicks would run up to the limit of the cap again, needing to waive the non-guaranteed contract of Taj Gibson to fit the two newcomers on the roster. If they do waive Gibson’s $5.2 million deal, they could still bring him back and he has expressed not only a desire to remain in New York, but also to serve as a coach when his playing days are done.
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they are working on a S&T, right? I believe Hartenstein was officially signed because the clippers were unable to do a S&T.
The official word is Brunson is on vacation with his girlfriend causing the delay.
Oh ok, thanks. I wonder if the "tampering" allegations will prevent the teams from doing a sign and trade anyway.
He's so damn fun to watch, health is the only thing that will stop him from being in that Shaq/LeBron/Giannis tier of scoring at the rim at will. Hopefully he cuts weight and gets closer to his Duke playing weight. He was so much better on defense at Duke when he was like 30 lbs lighter.
He's so damn fun to watch, health is the only thing that will stop him from being in that Shaq/LeBron/Giannis tier of scoring at the rim at will. Hopefully he cuts weight and gets closer to his Duke playing weight. He was so much better on defense at Duke when he was like 30 lbs lighter.
He legit seems like a great kid. Always smiling, tons of charitable stuff, for his own sake I hope he can stay healthy and keep the weight off. He would (and maybe in the future will be) an absolute mega-watt A+ star in a major market aka NY. His most recent picture, he's looking much, much leaner. Good for him.
IMO, Minny traded all those picks because they know that if this crazy experiment doesn't work then they can trade Towns and recoup a lot of that draft capital.
Anthony Edwards is their Franchise guy now imo, and they're hoping he takes a Ja Morant-like leap in Year 3. It's possible, that kid has star written all over him, but while they're high as ever on Edwards it seems like they're low as ever on Towns.
It's possible that the Towns at PF experiment does work, especially if Edwards ascends to "legit NBA star level" and Gobert remains a DPOY type of player. But if this doesn't work out, I could easily see Towns being on another team next year. Hell, if they stink up the joint to start the year, maybe he even gets traded mid-season. If that's the case, then the Knicks would 100% be one of the teams that aggressively goes after him imo.
REPORT: The Brooklyn Nets asked the Minnesota Timberwolves for Karl-Anthony Towns, Anthony Edwards, and 4 draft-picks in exchange for Kevin Durant.
-Chris Haynes
REPORT: The Brooklyn Nets asked the Minnesota Timberwolves for Karl-Anthony Towns, Anthony Edwards, and 4 draft-picks in exchange for Kevin Durant.
-Chris Haynes
They are shooting high because they have no intention of trading him, they figure if they get what they ask for awesome but they are going to go to KD and be like hey we tried
REPORT: The Brooklyn Nets asked the Minnesota Timberwolves for Karl-Anthony Towns, Anthony Edwards, and 4 draft-picks in exchange for Kevin Durant.
-Chris Haynes
This is hilarious. I'd love to hear the recording of the Twolves response to that one.
I saw Windy said earlier today that the Nets expected a crazy bidding war for Durant and that hasn't been the case at all.
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c'mon, there is shooting high and there is "absurd"
REPORT: The Brooklyn Nets asked the Minnesota Timberwolves for Karl-Anthony Towns, Anthony Edwards, and 4 draft-picks in exchange for Kevin Durant.
-Chris Haynes
This is hilarious. I'd love to hear the recording of the Twolves response to that one.
I saw Windy said earlier today that the Nets expected a crazy bidding war for Durant and that hasn't been the case at all.
They used Woj to push this narrative and no one is going to give them some crazy deal for a 34 year old durant
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c'mon, there is shooting high and there is "absurd"
REPORT: The Brooklyn Nets asked the Minnesota Timberwolves for Karl-Anthony Towns, Anthony Edwards, and 4 draft-picks in exchange for Kevin Durant.
-Chris Haynes
They are shooting high because they have no intention of trading him, they figure if they get what they ask for awesome but they are going to go to KD and be like hey we tried
exactly
Robin Lundberg
@robinlundberg
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Jul 5
May be true but I don’t do Phoenix deal without another team(s) and better assets involved and I don’t do Toronto deal without Barnes. Otherwise tell KD I’ll see him in Fall.
I would REALLY enjoy watching Brunson, RJ, IQ, Grimes, Toppin and Mitch take full ownership of the team next season.
I am sure they will get a lot for him, but I think teams will be hesitant to give Brooklyn any where near what they are looking for. At this point is KD all that much less of a nut than Kyrie? This will be his 4th team in like 6 years, so clearly you can’t count on him stick around long, he comes off as a total douche in interviews, had a burner account on Twitter, and now routinely goes after fans on there from his main account. Between that and the fact that he’s 34 years old and pretty much always injured, how do you give up even what Minnesota just gave up for Gobert and feel good about it?
Really the only case you can make for it is if by bringing him in you’re the favorite to win the title. I guess you could argue that would be the case in Phoenix, but then you probably only have a 2 year window and can you count on him and CP3 both making it through a full postseason? Just seems like a huge risk that not many teams are in the position to take.