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DanMetroMan : 6/30/2022 5:01 pm
Oh baby!
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It also helps that Ainge hates Pat Riley  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2022 4:06 pm : link
from the old Celtics/Lakers days. That may come in handy.
RE: RE: yes ghost  
ghost718 : 7/1/2022 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15745903 djm said:
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Ghost trolls the Knicks threads constantly. And if he is an actual Knicks fan he or she still acts like a troll. Not worth responding. Every move is the worst and the Knicks suck and always will suck. Fresh takes daily from ghost.


Like I said,what exactly do you add to this site.Or what do you think you add.

Because at this point, I breeze right past most of your posts
apparently UTA does have interest....  
Italianju : 7/1/2022 4:07 pm : link
in Ayton and there was discussions of this being a 3 way deal. That could be a sign they arent burning it all down.
RE: Knicks have a ton of picks....  
ajr2456 : 7/1/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15745960 Kmed6000 said:
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What would you guys give up for DMitch?

Obi, Quick, Grimes and 5 1sts(the 3 we just got plus 2 of our own unprotected). Do you do it? I do.


Easily
well..  
Italianju : 7/1/2022 4:08 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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The Jazz gathered six first-round picks in the past 24 hours, including 7-footer Walker Kessler, the 22nd overall pick in the 2022 Draft. The Jazz plan to retool the roster around All-Star G Donovan Mitchell.
RE: Knicks have a ton of picks....  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15745960 Kmed6000 said:
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What would you guys give up for DMitch?

Obi, Quick, Grimes and 5 1sts(the 3 we just got plus 2 of our own unprotected). Do you do it? I do.


I might be the only one, but I’m not attached to RJ Barrett in a way that I wouldn’t move him for a top tier talent.
RE: RE: RE: yes ghost  
Snablats : 7/1/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15745963 ghost718 said:
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In comment 15745903 djm said:


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Ghost trolls the Knicks threads constantly. And if he is an actual Knicks fan he or she still acts like a troll. Not worth responding. Every move is the worst and the Knicks suck and always will suck. Fresh takes daily from ghost.



Like I said,what exactly do you add to this site.Or what do you think you add.

Because at this point, I breeze right past most of your posts

You still havent answered some of us who asked you what you wanted the Knicks to do
RE: Knicks have a ton of picks....  
Strahan91 : 7/1/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15745960 Kmed6000 said:
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What would you guys give up for DMitch?

Obi, Quick, Grimes and 5 1sts(the 3 we just got plus 2 of our own unprotected). Do you do it? I do.

Don't think that'll do it. I bet the Knicks would have to part with at least 3 of their own picks unprotected in addition to some (maybe all) of the protected ones we have
There's this  
Strahan91 : 7/1/2022 4:11 pm : link

Tony Jones
@Tjonesonthenba
League sources: For now, there are no plans by the Utah Jazz to trade star guard Donovan Mitchell. The Jazz are committed to building around him. The Jazz are not done in trade talks. Expect more activity
I don’t want to set myself up  
djm : 7/1/2022 4:12 pm : link
For a letdown but I can’t help but think we’re gonna trade for Mitchell. Brunson came here for a number of reasons I’m sure, one of them being team stability and direction. The knicks are poised to make the BIG move and Brunson was not that big move, but he allows the knicks to add that big piece.

I think it’s going to happen.
Lets see what they do that can make Mitchell happy  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2022 4:14 pm : link
Right now Memphis, GS, Dallas, Minnesota, Denver, Phoenix, Clippers, Pelicans, Blazers are all probably better than them right now
RE: There's this  
Anakim : 7/1/2022 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15745972 Strahan91 said:
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Tony Jones
@Tjonesonthenba
League sources: For now, there are no plans by the Utah Jazz to trade star guard Donovan Mitchell. The Jazz are committed to building around him. The Jazz are not done in trade talks. Expect more activity


Why would Mitchell stick around for a rebuild?
RE: Lets see what they do that can make Mitchell happy  
Mike from SI : 7/1/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15745976 nygiants16 said:
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Right now Memphis, GS, Dallas, Minnesota, Denver, Phoenix, Clippers, Pelicans, Blazers are all probably better than them right now


Lakers too.
Committed to build around them  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2022 4:18 pm : link
but they traded his best friend and best wing defender for nothing?
RE: I don’t want to set myself up  
Strahan91 : 7/1/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15745974 djm said:
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For a letdown but I can’t help but think we’re gonna trade for Mitchell. Brunson came here for a number of reasons I’m sure, one of them being team stability and direction. The knicks are poised to make the BIG move and Brunson was not that big move, but he allows the knicks to add that big piece.

I think it’s going to happen.

I'm cautiously optimistic as well. He really wanted Johnny Bryant to get the Utah HC job apparently. Also has a close relationship with Leon so the Knicks should at the very least have an idea of what he's thinking (unlike with KD)
RE: RE: I don’t want to set myself up  
robbieballs2003 : 7/1/2022 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15745984 Strahan91 said:
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For a letdown but I can’t help but think we’re gonna trade for Mitchell. Brunson came here for a number of reasons I’m sure, one of them being team stability and direction. The knicks are poised to make the BIG move and Brunson was not that big move, but he allows the knicks to add that big piece.

I think it’s going to happen.


I'm cautiously optimistic as well. He really wanted Johnny Bryant to get the Utah HC job apparently. Also has a close relationship with Leon so the Knicks should at the very least have an idea of what he's thinking (unlike with KD)


Just make sure we keep an additional 2nd round pick after the trade to pay the tampering penalty.
RE: Knicks have a ton of picks....  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2022 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15745960 Kmed6000 said:
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What would you guys give up for DMitch?

Obi, Quick, Grimes and 5 1sts(the 3 we just got plus 2 of our own unprotected). Do you do it? I do.


a team of Brunson, Mitchell, Barrett, Randle, Mitch, and Fournier doesn't go far in my mind.
RE: RE: Knicks have a ton of picks....  
ajr2456 : 7/1/2022 4:38 pm : link
In comment 15745987 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15745960 Kmed6000 said:


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What would you guys give up for DMitch?

Obi, Quick, Grimes and 5 1sts(the 3 we just got plus 2 of our own unprotected). Do you do it? I do.



a team of Brunson, Mitchell, Barrett, Randle, Mitch, and Fournier doesn't go far in my mind.


In the East next year I think it does. They’d also have to give one of Rose or Fournier to match salaries. And the ceiling is high if Brunson and RJ have another level to their game
Mitchell and Brunson...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/1/2022 4:39 pm : link
Defensive sieve.
I am not as taken with Mitchell as others are.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/1/2022 4:40 pm : link
I have never been blown away by his game.
RE: Mitchell and Brunson...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2022 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15745995 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Defensive sieve.


Yeah, and that's just one concern.
Call me crazy but I'd rather have Obi, IQ, Grimes, and the picks.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/1/2022 4:52 pm : link
I still can't get passed moving all your tradeable assets for a guy who couldn't do it with arguably a better supporting cast. A move will happen but it needs to makes sense.
SF  
five5 : 7/1/2022 4:54 pm : link
I agree. He is one of the most overrated players in this league. Hard pass
I look at him as a non-HOF version of Melo  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/1/2022 4:56 pm : link
Which, been there done that.
RE: RE: Knicks have a ton of picks....  
Giantfan21 : 7/1/2022 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15745987 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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What would you guys give up for DMitch?

Obi, Quick, Grimes and 5 1sts(the 3 we just got plus 2 of our own unprotected). Do you do it? I do.



a team of Brunson, Mitchell, Barrett, Randle, Mitch, and Fournier doesn't go far in my mind.


This is how i feel. If you have to give up Obi, Quickley, Grimes plus tons of unprotected picks and you are left with Brunson/Mitchell/RJ/Randle/Mitch how far is that getting you in the eastern conference with Boston, Milwaukee, Miami etc still around ?

I guess i am in the minority but i dont give up all those assets for Mitchell .
RE: Call me crazy but I'd rather have Obi, IQ, Grimes, and the picks.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2022 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15746002 robbieballs2003 said:
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I still can't get passed moving all your tradeable assets for a guy who couldn't do it with arguably a better supporting cast. A move will happen but it needs to makes sense.


Role players and a center who’s easily negated by small ball isn’t a particularly good supporting cast come postseason. It’s not wrong to be hesitant regarding Mitchell, but the former point should be the reason why, not the latter.
RE: RE: Call me crazy but I'd rather have Obi, IQ, Grimes, and the picks.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/1/2022 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15746008 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I still can't get passed moving all your tradeable assets for a guy who couldn't do it with arguably a better supporting cast. A move will happen but it needs to makes sense.



Role players and a center who’s easily negated by small ball isn’t a particularly good supporting cast come postseason. It’s not wrong to be hesitant regarding Mitchell, but the former point should be the reason why, not the latter.


It is more than just Mitchell though. It was other names that came up over the last couple of years like Beal. People wanted to give up our whole team for him.
Feels like Jazz leaking they want to build around Mitchell  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2022 5:10 pm : link
to keep some leverage, the moves dont match that strategy..


Windy called this yesterday and today said hed be shocked if Mitchell doesnt want out, also said GMs are gearing up to get Mitchell
Don't sell the farm for  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/1/2022 5:15 pm : link
Mitchell. It'd be a big mistake IMO.
I’d be careful  
DanMetroMan : 7/1/2022 5:18 pm : link
With Mitchell. I like him a lot but is he worth 5 picks, and players with below average defense? He’s not a Lebron/Durant in their prime type. I wouldn’t have a parade If the Knicks gave up the Gobert (plus) package for Mitchell. I honestly think he’s a notch below a true franchise player superstar
RE: Mitchell and Brunson...  
Strahan91 : 7/1/2022 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15745995 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Defensive sieve.

Mitchell was a really good defender in college. I don't know why he's struggled so much with it in the NBA but I'd feel pretty good about Thibs making him into a solid defensive player. He has tools, it's not like Brunson who's actually relatively solid defensively but his size limits him against certain players and schemes.
RE: RE: Mitchell and Brunson...  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/1/2022 5:31 pm : link
In comment 15746013 Strahan91 said:
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He has tools, it's not like Brunson who's actually relatively solid defensively but his size limits him against certain players and schemes.

Mitchell is the same height as Brunson.
RE: RE: RE: Mitchell and Brunson...  
Strahan91 : 7/1/2022 5:32 pm : link
In comment 15746020 Jim in Fairfax said:
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He has tools, it's not like Brunson who's actually relatively solid defensively but his size limits him against certain players and schemes.


Mitchell is the same height as Brunson.

Mitchell has a 6'10 wingspan, Brunson has a 6'3 wingspan. Huge difference. He's also a much better athlete
RE: I’d be careful  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/1/2022 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15746012 DanMetroMan said:
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With Mitchell. I like him a lot but is he worth 5 picks, and players with below average defense? He’s not a Lebron/Durant in their prime type. I wouldn’t have a parade If the Knicks gave up the Gobert (plus) package for Mitchell. I honestly think he’s a notch below a true franchise player superstar


IDK. This is a guy who averaged 32/5/5 over 20 straight playoff games while shooting 45/44/86. And he’ll be 26 years old at the beginning of next season.

The problem with the Gobert package is that it was for Gobert.
So Minnesota watched the playoffs  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2022 6:10 pm : link
and said i want to give up 3 unprotected picks for the center who has to be taken off the court when teams go small
..  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2022 6:16 pm : link
Andy Larsen
@andyblarsen
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FWIW: I'm hearing some pushback regarding the idea that the Jazz are definitely keeping Donovan Mitchell moving forward.

Sense is that the Jazz are keeping their options open here: they could retool around Mitchell, or trade him for a massive haul to jumpstart a rebuild
RE: ..  
larryflower37 : 7/1/2022 6:18 pm : link
In comment 15746038 nygiants16 said:
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Andy Larsen
@andyblarsen
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FWIW: I'm hearing some pushback regarding the idea that the Jazz are definitely keeping Donovan Mitchell moving forward.

Sense is that the Jazz are keeping their options open here: they could retool around Mitchell, or trade him for a massive haul to jumpstart a rebuild

he is gone they are not going to announce it, I just hope the deal to Brunson doesn't stop us from making the move.
RE: So Minnesota watched the playoffs  
Strahan91 : 7/1/2022 6:18 pm : link
In comment 15746036 nygiants16 said:
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and said i want to give up 3 unprotected picks for the center who has to be taken off the court when teams go small

I’m still stunned at that package. They could’ve gotten Dejounte Murray for less who made more sense for their team and fits age-wise with Towns and Edwards.
RE: ..  
Strahan91 : 7/1/2022 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15746038 nygiants16 said:
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Andy Larsen
@andyblarsen
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FWIW: I'm hearing some pushback regarding the idea that the Jazz are definitely keeping Donovan Mitchell moving forward.

Sense is that the Jazz are keeping their options open here: they could retool around Mitchell, or trade him for a massive haul to jumpstart a rebuild

He follow that up with “ In particular, watch Miami. Obviously, Kevin Durant is their No. 1 target, but if that doesn't work out, they have been and will continue to be aggressive re: Mitchell.”

Why is Miami being linked to Mitchell so much more than the Knicks? They can’t put together the package we can
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nygiants16 : 7/1/2022 6:22 pm : link
In comment 15746042 Strahan91 said:
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Andy Larsen
@andyblarsen
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FWIW: I'm hearing some pushback regarding the idea that the Jazz are definitely keeping Donovan Mitchell moving forward.

Sense is that the Jazz are keeping their options open here: they could retool around Mitchell, or trade him for a massive haul to jumpstart a rebuild


He follow that up with “ In particular, watch Miami. Obviously, Kevin Durant is their No. 1 target, but if that doesn't work out, they have been and will continue to be aggressive re: Mitchell.”

Why is Miami being linked to Mitchell so much more than the Knicks? They can’t put together the package we can


Everybody is linked to miami, no mention of how they have no salary to send out and they dont control their draft picks...

Meanwhile Knicks have nothing and if they do make a move, they gave up to much
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/1/2022 6:24 pm : link
If I'm Sean Marks, I am looking @ what the Wolves gave up for Gobert & laughing @ what KD might fetch.

Gobert's 'defensive prowess' has always made me chuckle. I remember watching a 76ers Jazz game a year or so ago & Embiid putting up 50 on Rudy. Not saying Gobert sucks @ defense, but a tad overrated IMO.

Miami is ALWAYS in the mix....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/1/2022 6:25 pm : link
1) South Beach & 2) Don't underestimate Riles.
I'm starting to warm up to the idea of keeping Randle PROVIDED  
Del Shofner : 7/1/2022 6:32 pm : link
management has some sense of what was bugging him last year, doesn't think it will continue this year, and has had a talk with Randle about being less ball-dominant. I agree with those who've said don't sell low on him.

Mitch-Randle-RJ-Grimes-Brunson - the first 5

Hartenstein-Obi-IQ-Rose - the other 4 of the 9-man rotation

That's a respectable 9-man rotation if Randle is being a team player. Big if, I know.

Depth is Sims-Reddish-Deuce plus a couple of rookie guys. I'm assuming Fournier gets traded.
RE: ...  
Enzo : 7/1/2022 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15746045 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If I'm Sean Marks, I am looking @ what the Wolves gave up for Gobert & laughing @ what KD might fetch.

you can only trade picks that go out 7 years - and you can't trade back to back picks. So the max offer when it comes to your own picks is typicaly 4 picks and 3 swaps. Of course you can add to that with other picks you've acquired.
Enzo...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/1/2022 6:38 pm : link
But if I'm Marks & I got Phoenix on the phone...I'm asking for all the picks plus Ayton, Bridges, Cam Johnson, & maybe '93 Barkley, Haha.

This is what sometimes causes me to laugh @ these stars wanting to go to other good teams: in order for that team to obtain you, they're going to give up a haul that makes them less desirable when you step back.

Gobert is great at defense in the regular season  
Mike from SI : 7/1/2022 6:57 pm : link
against the entire NBA. The real athletic finishers at the rim (e.g. Giannis, LeBron, etc.) are not afraid of him. He's worth less in the playoffs.
Mike from SI...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/1/2022 7:03 pm : link
& he's such a liability on offense that he's usually taken off the floor late in the games.

Gobert is incredibly overrated.
Minnesota could’ve gotten Dejounte Murray for less,  
Strahan91 : 7/1/2022 7:04 pm : link
a much cleaner fit with their current team imo whose age also aligns well with KAT and Edwards. Gobert is great but I don’t think he’s the guy you give up that package for.
RE: Minnesota could’ve gotten Dejounte Murray for less,  
Mike from SI : 7/1/2022 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15746071 Strahan91 said:
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a much cleaner fit with their current team imo whose age also aligns well with KAT and Edwards. Gobert is great but I don’t think he’s the guy you give up that package for.


If true this is bizarre.
RE: Minnesota could’ve gotten Dejounte Murray for less,  
GNewGiants : 7/1/2022 7:39 pm : link
In comment 15746071 Strahan91 said:
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a much cleaner fit with their current team imo whose age also aligns well with KAT and Edwards. Gobert is great but I don’t think he’s the guy you give up that package for.


If they are keeping Russell - where’s the fit with Russell and Edwards?
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