I don’t think he has any trade value. They’ve been trying to move him but only has a year left on his deal anyways. I agree though, it’s not a good fit with Edwards
DiVincenzo signs 2 year, $9.3 million dollar deal with Dubs.
And the Dallas first with RJB and fillers (Fournier) We have best backcourt in east. You aren’t getting him from Ainge for nothing. Play Reddish and Grimes at the 3.
Sounds crazy but I don’t want to give up RJB. I know Mitchell is better but how much. Adding Mitchell and keeping RJB really would set us up nicely going forward.
I'd do this but I expect it would take more young players, i.e., Quick and/or Grimes as well. Maybe even RJ. I don't want to sell the entire farm for Mitchell.
He's got to start putting it all together. He's not a max player right now, but a reasonable extension is fine for him. He's talented. Hope he takes a big leap.
RE: RE: I’m fully apart of the Mitchell is worth it camp
I'd do this but I expect it would take more young players, i.e., Quick and/or Grimes as well. Maybe even RJ. I don't want to sell the entire farm for Mitchell.
Non of the young players we have will grow up to be Mitchell he is 25 and has average 26, 5 and 4 for the last 2 years and has step up in the playoffs multiple times.
If you say Brunson is still improving what is Mitchell doing they are the same age almost to the month.
You get a all-star on the cusp of their prime locked up for 4 years.
You go all in and work out how to keep RJ. Plus he is making 32 million a year for the next 4.
I heard that was around middle of the road for guards
But then we are done. Does Barrett (with the other two ) give us enough to make a run at the title? I’m not too sure.
Probably not. But at a certain point, a team has to make its own luck and find a Steph Curry at 7 or a Donovan Mitchell at 13. Or land a Zion Williamson in free agency.
He's got to start putting it all together. He's not a max player right now, but a reasonable extension is fine for him. He's talented. Hope he takes a big leap.
This is why i want Randle traded so badly. RJ will never reach his full potential with Randle around hogging the ball and pounding it for 23 seconds of the shot clock while having RJ camp at the 3 point line most of the game.
This is aside from Obi going back to being a 15 minute player at max. I just cant believe this front office doesnt realize how badly they need to get rid of Randle so the young nucleus can grow together
They have issues, but if you're not accumulating all these picks and assets to trade for Dejounte Murray or Mitchell, who are we eyeing? We won't be in on Durant. We're going to probably be too good to pick at the top of the lottery. I thought this is what were setting up for because the picks we acquired won't be top 15. I mean we can kick it down the road and let young guys development and maybe just organically get better, but it's a star league, at some point we have to pull the trigger. Mitchell is not going to cost us RJ. Nobody is putting that type of player in these deals. Ainge wants draft capital of which we are overloaded with. At least a couple of the picks traded will have to be ours.
Yes, the plan is to make a big move. You can have a spirited argument that Donovan Mitchell is that guy. I think he's a #2 guy on a championship contender, same as a Bradley Beal.
They should aim higher than just 'best available at thw moment' because they will only get one shot at it.
And went in on Brunson instead of Mitchell.
They basically cost the same(salary) and are under control for 4 more years.
They know you can't run with a 6' 1 backcourt.
Mitchell would have cost you more but is a much better player but they can't admit that and probably say they didn't know Mitchell would shake free so soon.
RE: I simply don't think Mitchell is the definition
Yes, the plan is to make a big move. You can have a spirited argument that Donovan Mitchell is that guy. I think he's a #2 guy on a championship contender, same as a Bradley Beal.
They should aim higher than just 'best available at thw moment' because they will only get one shot at it.
Ok that's fine I am up in the air on Mitchell being a superstar however the chips don't last forever. What player is shaking loose that satisfies your #1 requirement? Prime LeBron? Giannis? When is that type of guy shaking loose? Nobody even as good as Mitchell in their prime has shook loose since the Summer of Durant 3 years ago. Maybe we got a home run at like #15 with this improved scouting dept. But at some point in the next 2 or 3 years our draft capital takes a big hit. I'm fine spending it on an elite #2 option like Mitchell.
RE: RE: I simply don't think Mitchell is the definition
Yes, the plan is to make a big move. You can have a spirited argument that Donovan Mitchell is that guy. I think he's a #2 guy on a championship contender, same as a Bradley Beal.
They should aim higher than just 'best available at thw moment' because they will only get one shot at it.
Ok that's fine I am up in the air on Mitchell being a superstar however the chips don't last forever. What player is shaking loose that satisfies your #1 requirement? Prime LeBron? Giannis? When is that type of guy shaking loose? Nobody even as good as Mitchell in their prime has shook loose since the Summer of Durant 3 years ago. Maybe we got a home run at like #15 with this improved scouting dept. But at some point in the next 2 or 3 years our draft capital takes a big hit. I'm fine spending it on an elite #2 option like Mitchell.
I think everyone forgets Mitchell's 38 playoff average over 10 games a couple years ago when he carried them.
Mitchell has been big in the big games except this last playoffs
That jazz would take Randle but would want quickly to take him on and would not include Mitchell coming here. Knicks said no
Really sad that Randle has negative trade value that Knicks would have to give up assets just to get rid of him. That being said, I am not trading Quickley just to dump him.
I would attach one of those protected picks they got last week if that is what it takes
and takes a step back and lets Rj and Brunson run this team and he becomes the 3rd option, i am fine with it, the onoy downfall would be Obi's minutes but there is a way to get Obi his 25 minutes a night but that involves Thibs playing Obi and Randle together for 10 minutes
Last year, just about everyone was happy he signed for what appeared to be a relative bargain.
Then it turned out that teams figured out how to defense the offense when it was run through him and suddenly he was a problem. It was actually Thibs offense that was the problem. But it's hard to change mid season.
Now, they can implement an offense run through Brunson and Julius can be a 15/10 guy and a positive contributor.
management has some sense of what was bugging him last year, doesn't think it will continue this year, and has had a talk with Randle about being less ball-dominant. I agree with those who've said don't sell low on him.
Del, does that work in this day and age of these multi-tens of $$millions a year athletes? That is aside from whatever ego/personality construct issues Randle may have. Maybe it's not aside.
RE: RE: I'm starting to warm up to the idea of keeping Randle PROVIDED
management has some sense of what was bugging him last year, doesn't think it will continue this year, and has had a talk with Randle about being less ball-dominant. I agree with those who've said don't sell low on him.
Del, does that work in this day and age of these multi-tens of $$millions a year athletes? That is aside from whatever ego/personality construct issues Randle may have. Maybe it's not aside.
As I said, it's a big if. I don't know, just hoping (assuming Randle is not traded).
1. You don't trade Randle to force Thibs' hand into playing Obi more, that's just dumb. If that's the case, then Thibs isn't the right guy for the job and you replace him. If Obi deserves minutes, he should get minutes. Fans may think like this, but teams can't think like this.
2. If Randle has negative value now(I'm not so sure he does), then he will have negative value after the season starts. It's better business to give Randle a chance this season with an improved roster. He will either improve his trade value or he will fit on this roster and help us win games.
3. I like Obi, I really do. I didn't care about how old he was when we drafted him. I didn't care about some of his offensive limitations when we drafted him. I still think he has a lot of young Amare Stoudemire(the 2022 version when everyone shoots 3's) in his game. I think he can be good, but we don't really know if last year was for real. We trade Randle and Obi isn't ready for that role, we have problems.
4. We can't keep signing guys and then trading them for negative value the following year. It's just not how any successful team runs. We've been doing this for years. What we need to do is provide a system and culture that is conducive to winning. When you win, guys are more desirable to other teams.
completely frustrated and gave up, but the year before he was the leader of this team. Everyone rallied around Randle and talked him up as the MVP all the time. His teammates loved him and he led by example. That guy is in there. We just don't have the insight to know what happened last season.
Here's Derek Harper on Brunson in the Post Harper on Brunson - ( New Window )
Gol dang! I know this was alluded to by other poster(s) above, but seeing it all in one para is crazy. Has there ever, ever been a set-up like this in any sport to lure a FA or trade?
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Brunson grew up in southern New Jersey, and he has strong ties throughout the Knicks organization. Team president Leon Rose is his former agent. Rose’s son, Sam, is his current rep. Brunson has prior relationships with coach Tom Thibodeau and veteran guard Derrick Rose. His father, Rick, was recently added to Thibodeau’s staff. Brunson knows what he’s in for.
However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
he always looked for his own shot first, but the attention he commanded when he went to the rim got a lot of guys easy shots. He was a badass and its unfortunate that he's looked at like he is because the organization was a joke and he still had something left.
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The ones who were locked in that gym with me know what it is, they know what I’m about. If u haven’t been in there with me, ask around
Some Suns insider on Twitter (with good info in the past)
is indicating a three-teamer is being discussed: KD to PHX, Mitchell to BKLYN, Ayton to Utah, with other moving parts. It’s contingent, however, on Ben Simmons being moved in that deal or a separate one due to that NBA rule prohibiting teams from acquiring a rookie max extension guy via trade (Mitchell), when you already have one on the roster (Simmons).
Not sure there are enough draft picks to go around to satisfy Utah and Brooklyn, and Ayton is just not on the level of Mitchell, and nowhere near KD. Doesn’t pass the smell test for me, but we’ll see.
is indicating a three-teamer is being discussed: KD to PHX, Mitchell to BKLYN, Ayton to Utah, with other moving parts. It’s contingent, however, on Ben Simmons being moved in that deal or a separate one due to that NBA rule prohibiting teams from acquiring a rookie max extension guy via trade (Mitchell), when you already have one on the roster (Simmons).
Not sure there are enough draft picks to go around to satisfy Utah and Brooklyn, and Ayton is just not on the level of Mitchell, and nowhere near KD. Doesn’t pass the smell test for me, but we’ll see.
Why would Utah want to spend a ton of money on Ayton when they no longer have Mitchell around? What would be the point?
RE: Some Suns insider on Twitter (with good info in the past)
is indicating a three-teamer is being discussed: KD to PHX, Mitchell to BKLYN, Ayton to Utah, with other moving parts. It’s contingent, however, on Ben Simmons being moved in that deal or a separate one due to that NBA rule prohibiting teams from acquiring a rookie max extension guy via trade (Mitchell), when you already have one on the roster (Simmons).
Not sure there are enough draft picks to go around to satisfy Utah and Brooklyn, and Ayton is just not on the level of Mitchell, and nowhere near KD. Doesn’t pass the smell test for me, but we’ll see.
2023 1st 2025 1st 2027 1st - all unprotected
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He is bird rights, we can go over the cap to max RJ
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I'd do this but I expect it would take more young players, i.e., Quick and/or Grimes as well. Maybe even RJ. I don't want to sell the entire farm for Mitchell.
You can always sign your own draft picks. No matter how much you are over the cap.
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I'd do this but I expect it would take more young players, i.e., Quick and/or Grimes as well. Maybe even RJ. I don't want to sell the entire farm for Mitchell.
Non of the young players we have will grow up to be Mitchell he is 25 and has average 26, 5 and 4 for the last 2 years and has step up in the playoffs multiple times.
If you say Brunson is still improving what is Mitchell doing they are the same age almost to the month.
You get a all-star on the cusp of their prime locked up for 4 years.
You go all in and work out how to keep RJ. Plus he is making 32 million a year for the next 4.
I heard that was around middle of the road for guards
Probably not. But at a certain point, a team has to make its own luck and find a Steph Curry at 7 or a Donovan Mitchell at 13. Or land a Zion Williamson in free agency.
I want to see Obi playing 30 to 35 a night..
I want Brunson running the team withiut Randle hijacking the offense..
I want see Rj with added pressure and see how he plays..
I want to see Grimes at the starting 2..
and then make a decision on a trade.
This is why i want Randle traded so badly. RJ will never reach his full potential with Randle around hogging the ball and pounding it for 23 seconds of the shot clock while having RJ camp at the 3 point line most of the game.
This is aside from Obi going back to being a 15 minute player at max. I just cant believe this front office doesnt realize how badly they need to get rid of Randle so the young nucleus can grow together
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Yes, the plan is to make a big move. You can have a spirited argument that Donovan Mitchell is that guy. I think he's a #2 guy on a championship contender, same as a Bradley Beal.
They should aim higher than just 'best available at thw moment' because they will only get one shot at it.
They basically cost the same(salary) and are under control for 4 more years.
They know you can't run with a 6' 1 backcourt.
Mitchell would have cost you more but is a much better player but they can't admit that and probably say they didn't know Mitchell would shake free so soon.
Yes, the plan is to make a big move. You can have a spirited argument that Donovan Mitchell is that guy. I think he's a #2 guy on a championship contender, same as a Bradley Beal.
They should aim higher than just 'best available at thw moment' because they will only get one shot at it.
Ok that's fine I am up in the air on Mitchell being a superstar however the chips don't last forever. What player is shaking loose that satisfies your #1 requirement? Prime LeBron? Giannis? When is that type of guy shaking loose? Nobody even as good as Mitchell in their prime has shook loose since the Summer of Durant 3 years ago. Maybe we got a home run at like #15 with this improved scouting dept. But at some point in the next 2 or 3 years our draft capital takes a big hit. I'm fine spending it on an elite #2 option like Mitchell.
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Of what you cash in all your chips for.
Yes, the plan is to make a big move. You can have a spirited argument that Donovan Mitchell is that guy. I think he's a #2 guy on a championship contender, same as a Bradley Beal.
They should aim higher than just 'best available at thw moment' because they will only get one shot at it.
Ok that's fine I am up in the air on Mitchell being a superstar however the chips don't last forever. What player is shaking loose that satisfies your #1 requirement? Prime LeBron? Giannis? When is that type of guy shaking loose? Nobody even as good as Mitchell in their prime has shook loose since the Summer of Durant 3 years ago. Maybe we got a home run at like #15 with this improved scouting dept. But at some point in the next 2 or 3 years our draft capital takes a big hit. I'm fine spending it on an elite #2 option like Mitchell.
I think everyone forgets Mitchell's 38 playoff average over 10 games a couple years ago when he carried them.
Mitchell has been big in the big games except this last playoffs
Lol.
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That jazz would take Randle but would want quickly to take him on and would not include Mitchell coming here. Knicks said no
Lol.
Sadly there are some on this board that would do that trade they hate Randle so much.
Really sad that Randle has negative trade value that Knicks would have to give up assets just to get rid of him. That being said, I am not trading Quickley just to dump him.
I would attach one of those protected picks they got last week if that is what it takes
Then it turned out that teams figured out how to defense the offense when it was run through him and suddenly he was a problem. It was actually Thibs offense that was the problem. But it's hard to change mid season.
Now, they can implement an offense run through Brunson and Julius can be a 15/10 guy and a positive contributor.
Del, does that work in this day and age of these multi-tens of $$millions a year athletes? That is aside from whatever ego/personality construct issues Randle may have. Maybe it's not aside.
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management has some sense of what was bugging him last year, doesn't think it will continue this year, and has had a talk with Randle about being less ball-dominant. I agree with those who've said don't sell low on him.
Del, does that work in this day and age of these multi-tens of $$millions a year athletes? That is aside from whatever ego/personality construct issues Randle may have. Maybe it's not aside.
As I said, it's a big if. I don't know, just hoping (assuming Randle is not traded).
Here's Derek Harper on Brunson in the Post
Harper on Brunson - ( New Window )
2. If Randle has negative value now(I'm not so sure he does), then he will have negative value after the season starts. It's better business to give Randle a chance this season with an improved roster. He will either improve his trade value or he will fit on this roster and help us win games.
3. I like Obi, I really do. I didn't care about how old he was when we drafted him. I didn't care about some of his offensive limitations when we drafted him. I still think he has a lot of young Amare Stoudemire(the 2022 version when everyone shoots 3's) in his game. I think he can be good, but we don't really know if last year was for real. We trade Randle and Obi isn't ready for that role, we have problems.
4. We can't keep signing guys and then trading them for negative value the following year. It's just not how any successful team runs. We've been doing this for years. What we need to do is provide a system and culture that is conducive to winning. When you win, guys are more desirable to other teams.
Gol dang! I know this was alluded to by other poster(s) above, but seeing it all in one para is crazy. Has there ever, ever been a set-up like this in any sport to lure a FA or trade?
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Kevin Durant
@KDTrey5
The ones who were locked in that gym with me know what it is, they know what I’m about. If u haven’t been in there with me, ask around
Not sure there are enough draft picks to go around to satisfy Utah and Brooklyn, and Ayton is just not on the level of Mitchell, and nowhere near KD. Doesn’t pass the smell test for me, but we’ll see.
Not sure there are enough draft picks to go around to satisfy Utah and Brooklyn, and Ayton is just not on the level of Mitchell, and nowhere near KD. Doesn’t pass the smell test for me, but we’ll see.
Why would Utah want to spend a ton of money on Ayton when they no longer have Mitchell around? What would be the point?
Not sure there are enough draft picks to go around to satisfy Utah and Brooklyn, and Ayton is just not on the level of Mitchell, and nowhere near KD. Doesn’t pass the smell test for me, but we’ll see.
Doesnt work, unless simmons in deal