but the weirdest may have been when he didn't play a single minute under Dantoni and ultimately got waived. By then his behavior was getting stranger and his ankles were sorta shot.
If you don’t go after mitchell. Who’s the next person we are holding out hope for.
I mean at some point you gotta take a stab and go for it
There is something to be said for getting mitchell and being a 3-6 seed for next several years and winning some playoff series.
For starters in 3-4 years. Mitchell and Brunson are 28-29 and rj 24-25. Your window stays open for longer than that and at that point you would have turned the lolknicks narrative that we are crap and have no consistency or continuity. Players would actually see a team that’s in the hunt and see the energy of a consistent team and I think that’s when you get to make your next move to add another player to the roster.
But as it stands currently what stars are we really gonna wait on. All of them are re upping with there teams for super maxs
If you don’t go after mitchell. Who’s the next person we are holding out hope for.
I mean at some point you gotta take a stab and go for it
There is something to be said for getting mitchell and being a 3-6 seed for next several years and winning some playoff series.
For starters in 3-4 years. Mitchell and Brunson are 28-29 and rj 24-25. Your window stays open for longer than that and at that point you would have turned the lolknicks narrative that we are crap and have no consistency or continuity. Players would actually see a team that’s in the hunt and see the energy of a consistent team and I think that’s when you get to make your next move to add another player to the roster.
But as it stands currently what stars are we really gonna wait on. All of them are re upping with there teams for super maxs
For me it depends on what the actual cost winds up being. If it's proportional to the haul they got for Gobert, then we're talking essentially gutting all the assets we have that could be used to improve that core. In that case if Mitchell were to have an injury that affected the rest of his career, we could wind up in no man's land for some time. Teams that make these trades typically have another star or two to fall back on but right now the Knicks don't.
I do agree with doing something (anything) to become a perennial playoff team amongst the top 4-5 seeds. If the Knicks could get it done by giving up the four other team's picks they have and 2 of their own unprotected firsts I'd probably do that but given what they got for Gobert, I bet Ainge would ask for 4 of our own picks unprotected to start which is terrifying.
If you don’t go after mitchell. Who’s the next person we are holding out hope for.
I mean at some point you gotta take a stab and go for it
There is something to be said for getting mitchell and being a 3-6 seed for next several years and winning some playoff series.
For starters in 3-4 years. Mitchell and Brunson are 28-29 and rj 24-25. Your window stays open for longer than that and at that point you would have turned the lolknicks narrative that we are crap and have no consistency or continuity. Players would actually see a team that’s in the hunt and see the energy of a consistent team and I think that’s when you get to make your next move to add another player to the roster.
But as it stands currently what stars are we really gonna wait on. All of them are re upping with there teams for super maxs
For me it depends on what the actual cost winds up being. If it's proportional to the haul they got for Gobert, then we're talking essentially gutting all the assets we have that could be used to improve that core. In that case if Mitchell were to have an injury that affected the rest of his career, we could wind up in no man's land for some time. Teams that make these trades typically have another star or two to fall back on but right now the Knicks don't.
I do agree with doing something (anything) to become a perennial playoff team amongst the top 4-5 seeds. If the Knicks could get it done by giving up the four other team's picks they have and 2 of their own unprotected firsts I'd probably do that but given what they got for Gobert, I bet Ainge would ask for 4 of our own picks unprotected to start which is terrifying.
Ultimately it’ll come down to cost.
My thing is if we are giving out a ton of picks I want to hold obi and iq as future assets
So if you give up 1sts unprotected in 2023/25/27 Along with protected 1sts via bucks pistons wizards
Whatever salary is needed to match out of (Fournier/Randle/rose)
Then add grimes / cam
You’d have a young team of Brunson/mitchell/rj/obi/Robinson
With atleast quickley / hartenstein/sims/ then go fill out roster with some min level ring playoff chasers.
I mean the twolves didn’t cough up any young assets outside of walker Kessler. They got to keep McDaniels and didn’t even have to throw in Dlo.
Ainge I’d assume just wants a warchest of picks.
If you hold onto iq and toppin gives you some flexibility to make another trade down the line using them as pieces as well
The player development here under Thibs has never been better. Thibs seems to be public enemy number one around here especially when it comes to the kids not playing enough. But the kids are alright. They are progressing. The Obi thing is really the only player I can’t really proclaim as warm and fuzzy but for the most part the other young kids are in a nice place here.
Curious to see how they handle the Obi and Randle situation now and going forward.
However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Marbury was NOT ahead of his time. He did make two all-star teams so he didn't suck. But for someone as inefficient as he was - he would have needed a perfect situation to win.
He was pretty good but he wasn't going to lead his team - and even being the 2nd best was questionable.
However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Marbury was NOT ahead of his time. He did make two all-star teams so he didn't suck. But for someone as inefficient as he was - he would have needed a perfect situation to win.
He was pretty good but he wasn't going to lead his team - and even being the 2nd best was questionable.
I'm talking about being a score first PG. That was frowned upon not too long ago.
No way the Knicks go after him he is no longer a fit with Brunson.
It would take a set of balls Rose doesn't have to have a back court of Brunson and Mitchell.
The point that Thibs has developed the kids is nonsense.
Quickley, OBI, and Grimes should have been getting minutes all season.
He has on multiple occasions pulled them when they were hot for a little mistake and buried them on the bench.
I would agrue they have developed in spite of Thibs.
I don’t think Barrett should, nor will he, receive the max.
However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Marbury was NOT ahead of his time. He did make two all-star teams so he didn't suck. But for someone as inefficient as he was - he would have needed a perfect situation to win.
He was pretty good but he wasn't going to lead his team - and even being the 2nd best was questionable.
I'm talking about being a score first PG. That was frowned upon not too long ago.
Jerry West, Oscar, Clyde (in his prime), Monroe, Dave Bing, Gail Goodrich, Isiah, Nate Arihcbald, Gus "The Wizard" Williams, Jo Jo white, Tim Hardaway, Norm Nixon, Kevin Johnson, and Iverson? Maybe Nixon, KJ and Iverson too recent?
However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Marbury was NOT ahead of his time. He did make two all-star teams so he didn't suck. But for someone as inefficient as he was - he would have needed a perfect situation to win.
He was pretty good but he wasn't going to lead his team - and even being the 2nd best was questionable.
I'm talking about being a score first PG. That was frowned upon not too long ago.
Jerry West, Oscar, Clyde (in his prime), Monroe, Dave Bing, Gail Goodrich, Isiah, Nate Arihcbald, Gus "The Wizard" Williams, Jo Jo white, Tim Hardaway, Norm Nixon, Kevin Johnson, and Iverson? Maybe Nixon, KJ and Iverson too recent?
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Listen Pat the Rat may be a Wizard, but I don't think even salary cap Jesus could find a way to add 70 mill, halving few draft picks to deal. Lol I guess he can dump Lowry and his 60 mill and Robinson's 4 years and 70 left. Should be pretty easy seeing as we just had to give up like 6 draft picks to dump a couple of 9 mill expirings...
However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Marbury was NOT ahead of his time. He did make two all-star teams so he didn't suck. But for someone as inefficient as he was - he would have needed a perfect situation to win.
He was pretty good but he wasn't going to lead his team - and even being the 2nd best was questionable.
I'm talking about being a score first PG. That was frowned upon not too long ago.
Jerry West, Oscar, Clyde (in his prime), Monroe, Dave Bing, Gail Goodrich, Isiah, Nate Arihcbald, Gus "The Wizard" Williams, Jo Jo white, Tim Hardaway, Norm Nixon, Kevin Johnson, and Iverson? Maybe Nixon, KJ and Iverson too recent?
However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Marbury was NOT ahead of his time. He did make two all-star teams so he didn't suck. But for someone as inefficient as he was - he would have needed a perfect situation to win.
He was pretty good but he wasn't going to lead his team - and even being the 2nd best was questionable.
I'm talking about being a score first PG. That was frowned upon not too long ago.
Jerry West, Oscar, Clyde (in his prime), Monroe, Dave Bing, Gail Goodrich, Isiah, Nate Arihcbald, Gus "The Wizard" Williams, Jo Jo white, Tim Hardaway, Norm Nixon, Kevin Johnson, and Iverson? Maybe Nixon, KJ and Iverson too recent?
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Ditto.
You're so annoying. You're bringing up HoF players and comparing them to Marbury. Marbury is not that player. He was labeled as a selfish player who played in an era where the 3 ball wasn't emphasized like it is today with the spacing on the floor. He went up against the bigges guys on the court all the time when defenses were harder to score against.
I made a simple comment stating that he would have been better in today's NBA than when he played. Simple. I'm not sure why you continue to be a dick.
was so inefficient. He was a scorer. He got guys easy shots just by going to the rim and finishing where he was a beast. It's a different game now and like robbie said, he'd probably be better in todays game when the paint wasn't so clogged.
Getting both of those players. There only assets are hero who is average to slightly above average and Bam who people rate really high, but I don’t think he is anything special. He is very good but not a top 30 guy
For Ainge.
They might be able to pull KD because Nets will take back players to get to 40 wins.
Ainge is going full tank mode and will want picks and young talent.
You're so annoying. You're bringing up HoF players and comparing them to Marbury. Marbury is not that player. He was labeled as a selfish player who played in an era where the 3 ball wasn't emphasized like it is today with the spacing on the floor. He went up against the bigges guys on the court all the time when defenses were harder to score against.
I made a simple comment stating that he would have been better in today's NBA than when he played. Simple. I'm not sure why you continue to be a dick.
I made simple reply that he wasn't ahead of hs time.
Noooo was the point I was making -- - you said he would've been better in today';s NBA and that isn't true.
He made two all-star teams back then - so how bad was he? And that's about what he would be now - maybe with expansion you give him a couple more. But that's not ":ahead of his time."
And if he was the number 1 option in this era- where do you think he would've led his teams?
I'm not being a dick. You are just extremely over-exaggerating Marbury. He was a pretty good player. But to suggest he was "ahead of his time" is a lunatic observation.
When Marbury was in his prime the NBA was more pass first point guards, even Iverson was moved to SG..
Nowadays it is more shoot first point guards, people want rhat scoring Point guard, its more combo guards..
And for a shoot first point guard he still averaged 8 assists a game
It's really not that hard ot understand that Marbruy was considered an all-star pg.
Robbie is making up the other stuff. You can google for yourself and see he is up there as far as all-time point guards. To suggest that he was ahead of his time when it is so blatantly obvious you easily google that he was thought of as being pretty good.
His issue would be the same issue he has today - he as a number 1 player would not have bene able to get his teams far at all.
Go ahead and google it. But it’s not your style. You sort of talk out of your ass often.
But I think through his track record now with 2 orginizations Ainge has shown he doesn't give a shit where Mitchell "wants" to land. He's gonna make the best deal for the Jazz. Oh and by the way both Durant and Mitchell are under contract with their teams and NOT free agents so I doubt Butler is openly arranging things because that is big time tampering.
KD & Robin Lundberg going back and forth at each other on
Who are you looking to watch in Summer League? For me, Aamir Simms (misspelled by the NBA in the link), Jean Montero and Trevor Keels. J. Sims, Grimes and Deuce should all do well but I enjoy seeing new guys too. We never really got a look at A. Simms last year. Knicks' 2022 Summer League roster - ( New Window )
But I think through his track record now with 2 orginizations Ainge has shown he doesn't give a shit where Mitchell "wants" to land. He's gonna make the best deal for the Jazz. Oh and by the way both Durant and Mitchell are under contract with their teams and NOT free agents so I doubt Butler is openly arranging things because that is big time tampering.
Players are allowed to tamper..
Iq has been hanging out with Mitchell a lot this summer..
Who are you looking to watch in Summer League? For me, Aamir Simms (misspelled by the NBA in the link), Jean Montero and Trevor Keels. J. Sims, Grimes and Deuce should all do well but I enjoy seeing new guys too. We never really got a look at A. Simms last year. Knicks' 2022 Summer League roster - ( New Window )
I'd like to see what Deuce can do at point. Like to see Grimes shoot 50% from 3. Sims like to see show some versatility on the offensive side and stay out of foul trouble.
Be interested to see if Keels can be a back 4 for when we trade Randle.
Keels is a 6'4" shooting guard. Could possibly play the 3
“I know the talk has been Knicks but I think there is a reasonable chance Donovan Mitchell winds up with the Nets with Simmons being sent out in a three way deal.
Something to the effect of Simmons + picks to Utah, Mitchell and Bridges to BK with a pick or two, and KD to Phoenix. Ayton would likely be moved in the deal also.
If I’m the Nets I’d ask for at least two firsts and a swap or two but seems like a doable scenario for all at least“
Just what Danny Ainge is looking for, a rebuild centered around Ben Simmons and a first or two!
I guess (he's supposed to be physical) but not the 4 I don't think. That's why I'm interested to see A Simms as he is mainly a 4.
Keels was 6'3 at the combine with the 4th highest body fat and 4th lowest vert and shuttle run plus his biggest issue is shooting.
He has a lot of work to do to play at the next level. I think he was playing football like a year ago.
He is a project and needs to cut weight and get faster
I mean at some point you gotta take a stab and go for it
There is something to be said for getting mitchell and being a 3-6 seed for next several years and winning some playoff series.
For starters in 3-4 years. Mitchell and Brunson are 28-29 and rj 24-25. Your window stays open for longer than that and at that point you would have turned the lolknicks narrative that we are crap and have no consistency or continuity. Players would actually see a team that’s in the hunt and see the energy of a consistent team and I think that’s when you get to make your next move to add another player to the roster.
But as it stands currently what stars are we really gonna wait on. All of them are re upping with there teams for super maxs
On another note, whenever I think of Harper i think of that night in '94 vs Houston. I was yelling at the TV for Harper to shoot more and Starks less!
Harper was hot, but was too unselfish. Could've been different if he shot 5-7 more times and Starks 5-7 less.
I mean at some point you gotta take a stab and go for it
There is something to be said for getting mitchell and being a 3-6 seed for next several years and winning some playoff series.
For starters in 3-4 years. Mitchell and Brunson are 28-29 and rj 24-25. Your window stays open for longer than that and at that point you would have turned the lolknicks narrative that we are crap and have no consistency or continuity. Players would actually see a team that’s in the hunt and see the energy of a consistent team and I think that’s when you get to make your next move to add another player to the roster.
But as it stands currently what stars are we really gonna wait on. All of them are re upping with there teams for super maxs
For me it depends on what the actual cost winds up being. If it's proportional to the haul they got for Gobert, then we're talking essentially gutting all the assets we have that could be used to improve that core. In that case if Mitchell were to have an injury that affected the rest of his career, we could wind up in no man's land for some time. Teams that make these trades typically have another star or two to fall back on but right now the Knicks don't.
I do agree with doing something (anything) to become a perennial playoff team amongst the top 4-5 seeds. If the Knicks could get it done by giving up the four other team's picks they have and 2 of their own unprotected firsts I'd probably do that but given what they got for Gobert, I bet Ainge would ask for 4 of our own picks unprotected to start which is terrifying.
And as all these pg's sign their rookie max extensions it's gonna knock Brunson further down the list.
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If you don’t go after mitchell. Who’s the next person we are holding out hope for.
I mean at some point you gotta take a stab and go for it
There is something to be said for getting mitchell and being a 3-6 seed for next several years and winning some playoff series.
For starters in 3-4 years. Mitchell and Brunson are 28-29 and rj 24-25. Your window stays open for longer than that and at that point you would have turned the lolknicks narrative that we are crap and have no consistency or continuity. Players would actually see a team that’s in the hunt and see the energy of a consistent team and I think that’s when you get to make your next move to add another player to the roster.
But as it stands currently what stars are we really gonna wait on. All of them are re upping with there teams for super maxs
For me it depends on what the actual cost winds up being. If it's proportional to the haul they got for Gobert, then we're talking essentially gutting all the assets we have that could be used to improve that core. In that case if Mitchell were to have an injury that affected the rest of his career, we could wind up in no man's land for some time. Teams that make these trades typically have another star or two to fall back on but right now the Knicks don't.
I do agree with doing something (anything) to become a perennial playoff team amongst the top 4-5 seeds. If the Knicks could get it done by giving up the four other team's picks they have and 2 of their own unprotected firsts I'd probably do that but given what they got for Gobert, I bet Ainge would ask for 4 of our own picks unprotected to start which is terrifying.
Ultimately it’ll come down to cost.
My thing is if we are giving out a ton of picks I want to hold obi and iq as future assets
So if you give up 1sts unprotected in 2023/25/27 Along with protected 1sts via bucks pistons wizards
Whatever salary is needed to match out of (Fournier/Randle/rose)
Then add grimes / cam
You’d have a young team of Brunson/mitchell/rj/obi/Robinson
With atleast quickley / hartenstein/sims/ then go fill out roster with some min level ring playoff chasers.
I mean the twolves didn’t cough up any young assets outside of walker Kessler. They got to keep McDaniels and didn’t even have to throw in Dlo.
Ainge I’d assume just wants a warchest of picks.
If you hold onto iq and toppin gives you some flexibility to make another trade down the line using them as pieces as well
Curious to see how they handle the Obi and Randle situation now and going forward.
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However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Marbury was NOT ahead of his time. He did make two all-star teams so he didn't suck. But for someone as inefficient as he was - he would have needed a perfect situation to win.
He was pretty good but he wasn't going to lead his team - and even being the 2nd best was questionable.
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However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Marbury was NOT ahead of his time. He did make two all-star teams so he didn't suck. But for someone as inefficient as he was - he would have needed a perfect situation to win.
He was pretty good but he wasn't going to lead his team - and even being the 2nd best was questionable.
I'm talking about being a score first PG. That was frowned upon not too long ago.
It would take a set of balls Rose doesn't have to have a back court of Brunson and Mitchell.
The point that Thibs has developed the kids is nonsense.
Quickley, OBI, and Grimes should have been getting minutes all season.
He has on multiple occasions pulled them when they were hot for a little mistake and buried them on the bench.
I would agrue they have developed in spite of Thibs.
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However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Marbury was NOT ahead of his time. He did make two all-star teams so he didn't suck. But for someone as inefficient as he was - he would have needed a perfect situation to win.
He was pretty good but he wasn't going to lead his team - and even being the 2nd best was questionable.
I'm talking about being a score first PG. That was frowned upon not too long ago.
Jerry West, Oscar, Clyde (in his prime), Monroe, Dave Bing, Gail Goodrich, Isiah, Nate Arihcbald, Gus "The Wizard" Williams, Jo Jo white, Tim Hardaway, Norm Nixon, Kevin Johnson, and Iverson? Maybe Nixon, KJ and Iverson too recent?
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However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Marbury was NOT ahead of his time. He did make two all-star teams so he didn't suck. But for someone as inefficient as he was - he would have needed a perfect situation to win.
He was pretty good but he wasn't going to lead his team - and even being the 2nd best was questionable.
I'm talking about being a score first PG. That was frowned upon not too long ago.
Jerry West, Oscar, Clyde (in his prime), Monroe, Dave Bing, Gail Goodrich, Isiah, Nate Arihcbald, Gus "The Wizard" Williams, Jo Jo white, Tim Hardaway, Norm Nixon, Kevin Johnson, and Iverson? Maybe Nixon, KJ and Iverson too recent?
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Listen Pat the Rat may be a Wizard, but I don't think even salary cap Jesus could find a way to add 70 mill, halving few draft picks to deal. Lol I guess he can dump Lowry and his 60 mill and Robinson's 4 years and 70 left. Should be pretty easy seeing as we just had to give up like 6 draft picks to dump a couple of 9 mill expirings...
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However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Marbury was NOT ahead of his time. He did make two all-star teams so he didn't suck. But for someone as inefficient as he was - he would have needed a perfect situation to win.
He was pretty good but he wasn't going to lead his team - and even being the 2nd best was questionable.
I'm talking about being a score first PG. That was frowned upon not too long ago.
Jerry West, Oscar, Clyde (in his prime), Monroe, Dave Bing, Gail Goodrich, Isiah, Nate Arihcbald, Gus "The Wizard" Williams, Jo Jo white, Tim Hardaway, Norm Nixon, Kevin Johnson, and Iverson? Maybe Nixon, KJ and Iverson too recent?
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Ditto.
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However, can we not pretend like Stephon Marbury wasn't a great PG for the Knicks. I know his warts, but he was on a shitshow of an organization and played pretty well for the most part.
Marbury was probably ahead of his time. I still haven't seen a PG as strong as he was going up against centers and being able to finish. The problem was he was primarily a scorer and didn't really make those around him better like PGs were expected to. I think he would have been awesome in today's NBA.
Marbury was NOT ahead of his time. He did make two all-star teams so he didn't suck. But for someone as inefficient as he was - he would have needed a perfect situation to win.
He was pretty good but he wasn't going to lead his team - and even being the 2nd best was questionable.
I'm talking about being a score first PG. That was frowned upon not too long ago.
Jerry West, Oscar, Clyde (in his prime), Monroe, Dave Bing, Gail Goodrich, Isiah, Nate Arihcbald, Gus "The Wizard" Williams, Jo Jo white, Tim Hardaway, Norm Nixon, Kevin Johnson, and Iverson? Maybe Nixon, KJ and Iverson too recent?
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Ditto.
You're so annoying. You're bringing up HoF players and comparing them to Marbury. Marbury is not that player. He was labeled as a selfish player who played in an era where the 3 ball wasn't emphasized like it is today with the spacing on the floor. He went up against the bigges guys on the court all the time when defenses were harder to score against.
I made a simple comment stating that he would have been better in today's NBA than when he played. Simple. I'm not sure why you continue to be a dick.
Maybe the Heat have the assets for one of them, but def not both.
They might be able to pull KD because Nets will take back players to get to 40 wins.
Ainge is going full tank mode and will want picks and young talent.
Fucking tease.
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Ditto.
You're so annoying. You're bringing up HoF players and comparing them to Marbury. Marbury is not that player. He was labeled as a selfish player who played in an era where the 3 ball wasn't emphasized like it is today with the spacing on the floor. He went up against the bigges guys on the court all the time when defenses were harder to score against.
I made a simple comment stating that he would have been better in today's NBA than when he played. Simple. I'm not sure why you continue to be a dick.
I made simple reply that he wasn't ahead of hs time.
Noooo was the point I was making -- - you said he would've been better in today';s NBA and that isn't true.
He made two all-star teams back then - so how bad was he? And that's about what he would be now - maybe with expansion you give him a couple more. But that's not ":ahead of his time."
And if he was the number 1 option in this era- where do you think he would've led his teams?
I'm not being a dick. You are just extremely over-exaggerating Marbury. He was a pretty good player. But to suggest he was "ahead of his time" is a lunatic observation.
Nowadays it is more shoot first point guards, people want rhat scoring Point guard, its more combo guards..
And for a shoot first point guard he still averaged 8 assists a game
Nowadays it is more shoot first point guards, people want rhat scoring Point guard, its more combo guards..
And for a shoot first point guard he still averaged 8 assists a game
It's really not that hard ot understand that Marbruy was considered an all-star pg.
Robbie is making up the other stuff. You can google for yourself and see he is up there as far as all-time point guards. To suggest that he was ahead of his time when it is so blatantly obvious you easily google that he was thought of as being pretty good.
His issue would be the same issue he has today - he as a number 1 player would not have bene able to get his teams far at all.
Go ahead and google it. But it’s not your style. You sort of talk out of your ass often.
I am surprised he hasnt asked out
Knicks' 2022 Summer League roster - ( New Window )
Players are allowed to tamper..
Iq has been hanging out with Mitchell a lot this summer..
I'd like to see what Deuce can do at point. Like to see Grimes shoot 50% from 3. Sims like to see show some versatility on the offensive side and stay out of foul trouble.
Be interested to see if Keels can be a back 4 for when we trade Randle.
Delays Miami’s warchest a little I’d assume no ?
Something to the effect of Simmons + picks to Utah, Mitchell and Bridges to BK with a pick or two, and KD to Phoenix. Ayton would likely be moved in the deal also.
If I’m the Nets I’d ask for at least two firsts and a swap or two but seems like a doable scenario for all at least“
Just what Danny Ainge is looking for, a rebuild centered around Ben Simmons and a first or two!
Keels was 6'3 at the combine with the 4th highest body fat and 4th lowest vert and shuttle run plus his biggest issue is shooting.
He has a lot of work to do to play at the next level. I think he was playing football like a year ago.
He is a project and needs to cut weight and get faster
Nowadays it is more shoot first point guards, people want rhat scoring Point guard, its more combo guards..
And for a shoot first point guard he still averaged 8 assists a game
Marbury and Stevie Francis would be a dynamic combo today.
Van Goofy almost destroyed Stevie in Houston by having him run a set offense.