I think I heard Keels was a five star recruit coming out of high school. From the Duke games I watched last season, he wasn't half bad. He's a big dude & his defense was impressive. His shooting was hit or miss though.
Who are you looking to watch in Summer League? For me, Aamir Simms (misspelled by the NBA in the link), Jean Montero and Trevor Keels. J. Sims, Grimes and Deuce should all do well but I enjoy seeing new guys too. We never really got a look at A. Simms last year. Knicks' 2022 Summer League roster - ( New Window )
Rather ironic that they spelled "Aamir" correctly but not "Simms."
I think I heard Keels was a five star recruit coming out of high school. From the Duke games I watched last season, he wasn't half bad. He's a big dude & his defense was impressive. His shooting was hit or miss though.
Played D-end for Duke. He is built for Football I think he needs to slimdown for the NBA.
I think I heard Keels was a five star recruit coming out of high school. From the Duke games I watched last season, he wasn't half bad. He's a big dude & his defense was impressive. His shooting was hit or miss though.
He stupidly chose Duke over Virginia but otherwise acquitted himself well his first year. Seems like a guy who will incrementally get better.
The Los Angeles Lakers and Brooklyn Nets are actively engaged in trade discussions centered on a Russell Westbrook-Kyrie Irving package, league sources tell @YahooSports:
The Los Angeles Lakers and Brooklyn Nets are actively engaged in trade discussions centered on a Russell Westbrook-Kyrie Irving package, league sources tell @YahooSports:
He makes it seem like it is close and then you read the article and says Nets are in no rush
This is what i dont get, you have simmons for 4 yearzls, why dont you at least make the team fit around him, i get you are just trying to get as much talent but at least make it fit..
You arent tanking, get shooters and surround simmons and let him play thr point
I think Marks is an idiot if he trades Irving for Russ. I get that Kyrie wants to go to LA, but fuck that. I wouldn't want any part of Russ if I'm a Nets fan.
Says that Utah would be intrigued by an offer of 4 picks, 3 swaps and a young player for Donovan Mitchell.
Haha! Well no shit. I’m sure they would
Yeah just more or less showing that the narrative is going from
Jazz are building around mitchell and keeping him to now ok we’d entertain trading him for a big pick package .
Mitchell’s gotta be on the way out
Says that Utah would be intrigued by an offer of 4 picks, 3 swaps and a young player for Donovan Mitchell.
So something along the lines of Toppin, 2023 Dallas pick top 10 protected, 2023 Wizards lottery protected, 2023 Knicks unprotected, 2025 Knicks unprotected, and swaps in 2024, 2026, 2027?
That seems like way too much. If they could get it down to 3 of those picks and 2 swaps or the 4 picks and 1 swap then maybe. It’s honestly the pick swaps 5 years down the line that would be the deal breaker , who the hell knows what happens between now and then. You could end up giving away the first pick in the draft in a swap.
That he’s great but not so great where he’s that clear cut slam dunk guy to go all in on. The lack of good defense is concerning with him. I mean I’d love to see Mitchell here but maybe it’s fair to say he’s not worth the huge cost.
When Marbury was in his prime the NBA was more pass first point guards, even Iverson was moved to SG..
Nowadays it is more shoot first point guards, people want rhat scoring Point guard, its more combo guards..
And for a shoot first point guard he still averaged 8 assists a game
It's really not that hard ot understand that Marbruy was considered an all-star pg.
Robbie is making up the other stuff. You can google for yourself and see he is up there as far as all-time point guards. To suggest that he was ahead of his time when it is so blatantly obvious you easily google that he was thought of as being pretty good.
His issue would be the same issue he has today - he as a number 1 player would not have bene able to get his teams far at all.
Go ahead and google it. But it’s not your style. You sort of talk out of your ass often.
What am I making up? He played 14 years and was an all star 2 times. He took a ton of shit in NY for his style of play. Again, the simple point I stated was his game would have translated better to today's NBA. That is all. If you disagree then fine but what is your point? To be annoying in your opinion? I don't need to google Marbury. I watched him play. He got passed around a lot in the NBA for a reason.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Great article on Brunson.
You're so annoying. You're bringing up HoF players and comparing them to Marbury. Marbury is not that player. He was labeled as a selfish player who played in an era where the 3 ball wasn't emphasized like it is today with the spacing on the floor. He went up against the bigges guys on the court all the time when defenses were harder to score against.
I made a simple comment stating that he would have been better in today's NBA than when he played. Simple. I'm not sure why you continue to be a dick.
I made simple reply that he wasn't ahead of hs time.
Noooo was the point I was making -- - you said he would've been better in today';s NBA and that isn't true.
He made two all-star teams back then - so how bad was he? And that's about what he would be now - maybe with expansion you give him a couple more. But that's not ":ahead of his time."
And if he was the number 1 option in this era- where do you think he would've led his teams?
I'm not being a dick. You are just extremely over-exaggerating Marbury. He was a pretty good player. But to suggest he was "ahead of his time" is a lunatic observation.
I am making stuff up? Lol. When did I say he was bad? The guy averaged like 19 and 8 on the Knicks. I never said that. I am saying he took a lot of criticism for his play that he wouldn't be criticized for today because of how the game has changed. I am not saying he needed to be a number 1 either. Again, you are the one making shit up. When I said he was ahead of his time, I simply mean that his game would have translated better in today's NBA with the spacing and lack of true centers and lack of defense. He was criticized for not elevating the play of others but in today's NBA tyat style os wanted by teams. Not sure why you are trying to turn a mountain out of a molehill.
Mitchell not elite? I agree not KD or steph (YET) only 25 years old. Other than Luca (at that age) who would you rather have??? 25 and under which fits our teams age. Not many I can think of.
Mitchell not elite? I agree not KD or steph (YET) only 25 years old. Other than Luca (at that age) who would you rather have??? 25 and under which fits our teams age. Not many I can think of.
He’s definitely an elite player what concerns me (I use that term loosely as I’d be thrilled if we got him) is we would probably need to add another even better player or better two way force to round out the team. The backcourt would be terrific but I’d feel better if Scottie pippen circa 1994 or draymont green was on this team to sort of bump up the defensive look.
And maybe we’d get that kind of player after Mitchell. I’d probably do it, but maybe some trepidation along the way.
Maybe RJB would turn into that junk yard dog type we need
Maybe it’s someone else. It would be fun to see that’s for sure.
And then there is the Thibs factor as he never really coached a bad defensive team. Guys buy in.
If they have a lineup of Brunson, Mitchell, RJ, and Robinson they should call up Portland and see if they’d be willing to flip Jerami Grant’s expiring deal for Randle. If you could get Grant to bring the complimentary player he was with Denver he would be a great fit at the 4 with those other guys.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Great article on Brunson.
I am making stuff up? Lol. When did I say he was bad? The guy averaged like 19 and 8 on the Knicks. I never said that. I am saying he took a lot of criticism for his play that he wouldn't be criticized for today because of how the game has changed. I am not saying he needed to be a number 1 either. Again, you are the one making shit up. When I said he was ahead of his time, I simply mean that his game would have translated better in today's NBA with the spacing and lack of true centers and lack of defense. He was criticized for not elevating the play of others but in today's NBA tyat style os wanted by teams. Not sure why you are trying to turn a mountain out of a molehill.
Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean I’m making a mountain out of a molehill. I am simply responding to imo your extreme overexaggerating of Marbury. You saying he was “ahead of his time” and “how would have been awesome in today’s NBA” is extreme. These things are “made-up,” and they are extreme. You sent me two separate posts and have made several other on this topic (albeit mostly to me but this is to Kned and Vanzetti and any others that agree with you too.). Plus I enjoy the conversation so--
First off- I never suggested that you said that he was bad. Overall I agree with the sentiment he was a pretty good player but having big issue with "ahead of hit time," and "would be awesome in today's NBA."
But what I don’t agree with your points is that you seem to think he wouldn’t have been “as criticized” but yet he would have still been “criticized.” SO your point of him being “awesome in today’s NBA” is way off-base. As a result of him being criticized to a degree of overall not winning – that would have been justified today just as it was beck then He didn’t win. He couldn’t play with Kevin Garnett. He gets traded from the Nets to Phoenix for Kidd (and while ofc not as good as Kidd)-but Nets go from 26-56 (with Marbury) to losing in NBA Finals (with Kidd) while Phoenix goes from 51-31 with Kidd to 35-46 with Marbury. Granted not all his fault but in-around these years Marbury was an All-Star. These are extreme "team" numbers. His quality of play couldn’t translate into wins. Same would have been in this era.
This just further illustrates the same problem he had back then that would happen in today’s NBA; as good as he was there were going to be quite a few teams with better number 1/ number 2 players that would have beaten a team led by Marbury in this era too. What good teams in this era would Marbury-led have beaten if he was the number 1 player other than playing against teams hurt by injury? Yes he would have had more points and assists but he would have gotten abused at the other end too. He wasn’t a defender. Heck his rebound numbers (granted the era wasn’t conducive to pg.’s rebounding) but he averaged just around 2.6 to 3.4 for his career. Heck 6’0 Tim Hardaway was a better rebounder than Marbury.
And with all this you are implying he got a bad rap? Since when is losing as much as he did warrant giving him a pass? This is New York. OFC he is going to get criticized a ton if he is losing, and there is history he had. In New York they boo Derek Jeter. Boo Mariano Rivera. Boo this current tremendous Yankee team when they had a tough 2-game stretch,. So – seriously you are saying or implying he wouldn’t be criticized today if he wasn’t winning but just because on offense he would be putting up good numbers in the spread offense then that would be okay in New York????
Losing does not make one awesome - at least in New York other than a year or two before it gets very old.
Yeah I thought Cuban was a lot of things, but a whiny little bitch is not one of them. I mean it's Jalen friggen Brunson. It's not like we poached 20 year old Lebron.
Katz expects the Knicks to be punished for tampering
Speculated as much on Thursday.
could we be forced to give up our rights to Stephon Marbury?
Ha ha Del this reminds of the 80's when we flirted with signing Kevin McHale to an offer sheet. We never did but Red Auerbach threw the ultimate hissy fit. He signed like 4 Knick Rfa's to offer sheets. I think it was Rory Sparrow, like Sly Williams, Marvin Webster. What a baby. We should have stuck him with all of them that idiot.
The one time the Knicks get a guy they targeted in FA there’s tampering nonsense charges being thrown at them. Never mind what the asshole lakers and heat have gotten away with over the years.
But I would be surprised if Cuban went that route. Is anyone on the planet under the impression that this stuff doesn’t happen all over the league? Of course it does. Cuban whining about it is precious. I’m sure there is tons of dirt that can be dug up on that guy.
Who doesn't carry a loaded gun in the glove compartment?
Rather ironic that they spelled "Aamir" correctly but not "Simms."
Played D-end for Duke. He is built for Football I think he needs to slimdown for the NBA.
He stupidly chose Duke over Virginia but otherwise acquitted himself well his first year. Seems like a guy who will incrementally get better.
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When Marbury was in his prime the NBA was more pass first point guards, even Iverson was moved to SG..
Nowadays it is more shoot first point guards, people want rhat scoring Point guard, its more combo guards..
And for a shoot first point guard he still averaged 8 assists a game
Marbury and Stevie Francis would be a dynamic combo today.
hahahhahahaha haha
OMG hahahahaha
Thank you for making me cry laughing. hahahahahahaha
In the Book of Jeremiah, it clearly states:
"For Memphis will become a desolation;
It will even be burned down and bereft of inhabitants."
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Memphis
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The Los Angeles Lakers and Brooklyn Nets are actively engaged in trade discussions centered on a Russell Westbrook-Kyrie Irving package, league sources tell @YahooSports:
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The Los Angeles Lakers and Brooklyn Nets are actively engaged in trade discussions centered on a Russell Westbrook-Kyrie Irving package, league sources tell @YahooSports:
He makes it seem like it is close and then you read the article and says Nets are in no rush
This is what i dont get, you have simmons for 4 yearzls, why dont you at least make the team fit around him, i get you are just trying to get as much talent but at least make it fit..
You arent tanking, get shooters and surround simmons and let him play thr point
Let's be honest this is the only 2 teams willing to entertain either of these guys.
Have at it.
Knicks working on anything?
Oh? What are you hearing?
Haha! Well no shit. I’m sure they would
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Says that Utah would be intrigued by an offer of 4 picks, 3 swaps and a young player for Donovan Mitchell.
Haha! Well no shit. I’m sure they would
Yeah just more or less showing that the narrative is going from
Jazz are building around mitchell and keeping him to now ok we’d entertain trading him for a big pick package .
Mitchell’s gotta be on the way out
So something along the lines of Toppin, 2023 Dallas pick top 10 protected, 2023 Wizards lottery protected, 2023 Knicks unprotected, 2025 Knicks unprotected, and swaps in 2024, 2026, 2027?
That seems like way too much. If they could get it down to 3 of those picks and 2 swaps or the 4 picks and 1 swap then maybe. It’s honestly the pick swaps 5 years down the line that would be the deal breaker , who the hell knows what happens between now and then. You could end up giving away the first pick in the draft in a swap.
But he is a very good player and if I were the knicks, I would give up all the protected firsts plus IQ/OBI to get him.
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When Marbury was in his prime the NBA was more pass first point guards, even Iverson was moved to SG..
Nowadays it is more shoot first point guards, people want rhat scoring Point guard, its more combo guards..
And for a shoot first point guard he still averaged 8 assists a game
It's really not that hard ot understand that Marbruy was considered an all-star pg.
Robbie is making up the other stuff. You can google for yourself and see he is up there as far as all-time point guards. To suggest that he was ahead of his time when it is so blatantly obvious you easily google that he was thought of as being pretty good.
His issue would be the same issue he has today - he as a number 1 player would not have bene able to get his teams far at all.
Go ahead and google it. But it’s not your style. You sort of talk out of your ass often.
What am I making up? He played 14 years and was an all star 2 times. He took a ton of shit in NY for his style of play. Again, the simple point I stated was his game would have translated better to today's NBA. That is all. If you disagree then fine but what is your point? To be annoying in your opinion? I don't need to google Marbury. I watched him play. He got passed around a lot in the NBA for a reason.
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Ditto.
You're so annoying. You're bringing up HoF players and comparing them to Marbury. Marbury is not that player. He was labeled as a selfish player who played in an era where the 3 ball wasn't emphasized like it is today with the spacing on the floor. He went up against the bigges guys on the court all the time when defenses were harder to score against.
I made a simple comment stating that he would have been better in today's NBA than when he played. Simple. I'm not sure why you continue to be a dick.
I made simple reply that he wasn't ahead of hs time.
Noooo was the point I was making -- - you said he would've been better in today';s NBA and that isn't true.
He made two all-star teams back then - so how bad was he? And that's about what he would be now - maybe with expansion you give him a couple more. But that's not ":ahead of his time."
And if he was the number 1 option in this era- where do you think he would've led his teams?
I'm not being a dick. You are just extremely over-exaggerating Marbury. He was a pretty good player. But to suggest he was "ahead of his time" is a lunatic observation.
I am making stuff up? Lol. When did I say he was bad? The guy averaged like 19 and 8 on the Knicks. I never said that. I am saying he took a lot of criticism for his play that he wouldn't be criticized for today because of how the game has changed. I am not saying he needed to be a number 1 either. Again, you are the one making shit up. When I said he was ahead of his time, I simply mean that his game would have translated better in today's NBA with the spacing and lack of true centers and lack of defense. He was criticized for not elevating the play of others but in today's NBA tyat style os wanted by teams. Not sure why you are trying to turn a mountain out of a molehill.
Don't see the Knicks trading RJ for him. It would be a ton of picks and a guy like IQ or Obi along with cap Fillers.
He’s definitely an elite player what concerns me (I use that term loosely as I’d be thrilled if we got him) is we would probably need to add another even better player or better two way force to round out the team. The backcourt would be terrific but I’d feel better if Scottie pippen circa 1994 or draymont green was on this team to sort of bump up the defensive look.
And maybe we’d get that kind of player after Mitchell. I’d probably do it, but maybe some trepidation along the way.
And then there is the Thibs factor as he never really coached a bad defensive team. Guys buy in.
And then there is the Thibs factor as he never really coached a bad defensive team. Guys buy in.
If they have a lineup of Brunson, Mitchell, RJ, and Robinson they should call up Portland and see if they’d be willing to flip Jerami Grant’s expiring deal for Randle. If you could get Grant to bring the complimentary player he was with Denver he would be a great fit at the 4 with those other guys.
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I am making stuff up? Lol. When did I say he was bad? The guy averaged like 19 and 8 on the Knicks. I never said that. I am saying he took a lot of criticism for his play that he wouldn't be criticized for today because of how the game has changed. I am not saying he needed to be a number 1 either. Again, you are the one making shit up. When I said he was ahead of his time, I simply mean that his game would have translated better in today's NBA with the spacing and lack of true centers and lack of defense. He was criticized for not elevating the play of others but in today's NBA tyat style os wanted by teams. Not sure why you are trying to turn a mountain out of a molehill.
Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean I’m making a mountain out of a molehill. I am simply responding to imo your extreme overexaggerating of Marbury. You saying he was “ahead of his time” and “how would have been awesome in today’s NBA” is extreme. These things are “made-up,” and they are extreme. You sent me two separate posts and have made several other on this topic (albeit mostly to me but this is to Kned and Vanzetti and any others that agree with you too.). Plus I enjoy the conversation so--
First off- I never suggested that you said that he was bad. Overall I agree with the sentiment he was a pretty good player but having big issue with "ahead of hit time," and "would be awesome in today's NBA."
But what I don’t agree with your points is that you seem to think he wouldn’t have been “as criticized” but yet he would have still been “criticized.” SO your point of him being “awesome in today’s NBA” is way off-base. As a result of him being criticized to a degree of overall not winning – that would have been justified today just as it was beck then He didn’t win. He couldn’t play with Kevin Garnett. He gets traded from the Nets to Phoenix for Kidd (and while ofc not as good as Kidd)-but Nets go from 26-56 (with Marbury) to losing in NBA Finals (with Kidd) while Phoenix goes from 51-31 with Kidd to 35-46 with Marbury. Granted not all his fault but in-around these years Marbury was an All-Star. These are extreme "team" numbers. His quality of play couldn’t translate into wins. Same would have been in this era.
This just further illustrates the same problem he had back then that would happen in today’s NBA; as good as he was there were going to be quite a few teams with better number 1/ number 2 players that would have beaten a team led by Marbury in this era too. What good teams in this era would Marbury-led have beaten if he was the number 1 player other than playing against teams hurt by injury? Yes he would have had more points and assists but he would have gotten abused at the other end too. He wasn’t a defender. Heck his rebound numbers (granted the era wasn’t conducive to pg.’s rebounding) but he averaged just around 2.6 to 3.4 for his career. Heck 6’0 Tim Hardaway was a better rebounder than Marbury.
And with all this you are implying he got a bad rap? Since when is losing as much as he did warrant giving him a pass? This is New York. OFC he is going to get criticized a ton if he is losing, and there is history he had. In New York they boo Derek Jeter. Boo Mariano Rivera. Boo this current tremendous Yankee team when they had a tough 2-game stretch,. So – seriously you are saying or implying he wouldn’t be criticized today if he wasn’t winning but just because on offense he would be putting up good numbers in the spread offense then that would be okay in New York????
Losing does not make one awesome - at least in New York other than a year or two before it gets very old.
Jesus Christ-- just skip it if you don't want to read it.
Seems like you couldn't prove it.
Speculated as much on Thursday.
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Katz expects the Knicks to be punished for tampering
Speculated as much on Thursday.
could we be forced to give up our rights to Stephon Marbury?
Yeah I thought Cuban was a lot of things, but a whiny little bitch is not one of them. I mean it's Jalen friggen Brunson. It's not like we poached 20 year old Lebron.
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Katz expects the Knicks to be punished for tampering
Speculated as much on Thursday.
could we be forced to give up our rights to Stephon Marbury?
Ha ha Del this reminds of the 80's when we flirted with signing Kevin McHale to an offer sheet. We never did but Red Auerbach threw the ultimate hissy fit. He signed like 4 Knick Rfa's to offer sheets. I think it was Rory Sparrow, like Sly Williams, Marvin Webster. What a baby. We should have stuck him with all of them that idiot.