pretty ridiculous. Tampering is basically how the NBA works. It's how it's worked since the "age of player empowement" took over
Cash and a 2nd round pick has been the precedent which I don't imagine the NBA will stray from. I'm hoping they get a 2nd round pick or two from Dallas to do a sign and trade (like Fournier last year) although who knows if Dallas will play ball. Cuban is petty.
I agree the Knicks should be charged with tampering.
Pj tuckers contract with the sixers was leaked like 3 days prior to free agency starting. Literally 0 uproar for the sixers to be hit with tampering.
Cubans just a bitch who’s in his feelings wanting the Knicks punished. Everyone tampers. Move along with it
Normally this time of year is buzzing with trades, more FA moves and gossip. But it sounds like the league is a bit frozen waiting for something to happen with Durant. Apparently, half the team in the league is in on Durant so half the league doesn't want to make any trades until it's settled.
And it feels like the Knicks still have a move or two to make.
Will there be a sign-and-trade for Brunson? What are they going to do with Cam. You can't just freeze a young guy on the bench like Thibs did. And Randle usually plays 38 minutes in a Thibs offense. Obi deserves more minutes where will that come from? With Robinson and Hart newly signed it is unlikely they will play a Randle/Toppin front line.
Will the Knicks keep Rose (I hope so) since Jalen/RJ/Fournier will suck up a lot of the guard minutes.
Will there be a sign-and-trade for Brunson? What are they going to do with Cam. You can't just freeze a young guy on the bench like Thibs did. And Randle usually plays 38 minutes in a Thibs offense. Obi deserves more minutes where will that come from? With Robinson and Hart newly signed it is unlikely they will play a Randle/Toppin front line.
As I understand it, they've already signed Brunson, so I don't think there will be a sign-and-trade. And with Cuban pissed at the Knicks I doubt there will be a trade with the Mavs. I think they keep Randle but agree that with Rob/Hart at C, it's unlikely they'll play a Randle/Toppin front line. So I think Obi's minutes will continue to be an issue.
Most likely to be traded, imv, are Fournier and Reddish. I could see other teams being interested in them.
"9:33 p.m. ET: Free-agent guard Jalen Brunson has agreed to a four-year, $104 million deal with the New York Knicks, his agents Aaron Mintz and Sam Rose of CAA Basketball told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. The deal includes a player option on the final season."
I thought sign-and-trade meant the player signs with the old team first (on terms agreeable to the new team) and then gets traded. That ship has sailed, no?
It is impressive, but his % will probably go down a bit in NY. In Dallas he was functionally an off-guard in some possessions when Luka was controlling the ball. As a pure PG, he’ll have a lot more possessions when the ball gets dumped on him with the shot clock running down and he has to hoist a low % shot.
Fundamentally, the original team has to be amenable to the terms of the sign-and-trade, especially when the new team has space to sign the player outright as a FA anyway, right? And a sign-and-trade would provide Dallas with some form of compensation for Brunson. Intuitively, I would assume that a sign-and-trade renders the tampering charge moot, but I have nothing to base that on besides the logic that a sign-and-trade requires - at least nominally - that the player signs with his original team and is traded to his new team subsequently. And thus, if Brunson technically signs a contract with Dallas, and then Dallas enters into a trade agreement with the Knicks of their own volition, there could logically be no tampering.
But, since this is the NBA, where the salary cap isn't a cap, teams can't trade their first-round pick in consecutive years but can trade that same player immediately after selecting them, and future first-round picks can become second-round picks if they take too long to convey, I suspect that a sign-and-trade would in no way alter the allegation of tampering by the Knicks, logic be damned.
Perhaps. Supposedly the LeBron and Bosh to Miami in 2010 ended up being sign-and-trades in order to keep the Cavs and Raptors from going to the league.
But the league is starting to crack down on this more often. In previous cases, I believe the league needed a paper trail (e-mails, texts) in order to prove its case. Not sure if the burden of proof is now lower.
The point of a sign in trade in a situation like this
Is typically to create a trade exception for team who lost the player.
I'm this case, Dallas would give the Knicks a very small asset. Knicks would agree because it costs them nothing. And Dallas get a $20M trade exception. The only downside for the Knicks is that they are then hard capped but that won't matter for them this year.
Is typically to create a trade exception for team who lost the player.
I'm this case, Dallas would give the Knicks a very small asset. Knicks would agree because it costs them nothing. And Dallas get a $20M trade exception. The only downside for the Knicks is that they are then hard capped but that won't matter for them this year.
True, although I would assume Dallas would be looking for a player to use that space on anyway, so if Fournier (for example) is appealing to the Mavs (in the sense that he's comparable to the sort of player they'd use the exception to acquire anyway), he could be sent to Dallas if they were so inclined, couldn't he? Or would a trade exception be more appealing regardless?
I know with connections to athletes in general (not necessarily a Knicks source) said the Knicks were at least "in contact" with Carmelo Anthony. Not that there was any traction or an offer or anything but that they had spoken since FA opened.
I know with connections to athletes in general (not necessarily a Knicks source) said the Knicks were at least "in contact" with Carmelo Anthony. Not that there was any traction or an offer or anything but that they had spoken since FA opened.
If they move Randle, bringing back Melo would be fun as the backup 4.
I know with connections to athletes in general (not necessarily a Knicks source) said the Knicks were at least "in contact" with Carmelo Anthony. Not that there was any traction or an offer or anything but that they had spoken since FA opened.
I know with connections to athletes in general (not necessarily a Knicks source) said the Knicks were at least "in contact" with Carmelo Anthony. Not that there was any traction or an offer or anything but that they had spoken since FA opened.
If they move Randle, bringing back Melo would be fun as the backup 4.
My complete guess is this was along the lines of what was discussed.
Is typically to create a trade exception for team who lost the player.
I'm this case, Dallas would give the Knicks a very small asset. Knicks would agree because it costs them nothing. And Dallas get a $20M trade exception. The only downside for the Knicks is that they are then hard capped but that won't matter for them this year.
It's also a hedge against a tampering charge. If the Knicks get a 2nd round pick in this upcoming draft, it's likely that's the pick they would forfeit.
could do a lot worse then Sexton. In 2020 he averaged 24 on near 48% shooting and 37% from 3. It was only his 3rd year so who is to say what he is moving forward. Problem with his market is he is restricted and teams know they have to overpay or CLE will match, nobody is dying to overpay Sexton coming off an injury.
I know its rare but in his case id prolly take the QO and play out the year as opposed to taking a 4/48 deal or whatever CLE is looking to pay him. I know the risk is huge and 48 mill is a lot of money, but still.
Sure and there are dozens of such examples but Holmgren also very much impressed this season in college. Maybe he won't hold up with that build but he and Giddey looked better than any player on that court by a significant margin.
"Chet Holmgren hit 7-of-9 shots, four 3-pointers and 5-of-5 free throws for 23 points, seven rebounds, four assists, one steal and six blocks in Tuesday's 98-77 Summer League win over the Jazz. "
its can he gain the strength to battle bigs in the NBA, will he be able to handle someone getting physical with him..
You wont know that in summer league, he is going to dominate, what does he do in training camp when Isiah Stewart is banging him and pushing him around, how does he respond to that
its can he gain the strength to battle bigs in the NBA, will he be able to handle someone getting physical with him..
You wont know that in summer league, he is going to dominate, what does he do in training camp when Isiah Stewart is banging him and pushing him around, how does he respond to that
In fairness, Stewart likely bodies Obi as well. He has 30+ pounds on him.
its can he gain the strength to battle bigs in the NBA, will he be able to handle someone getting physical with him..
You wont know that in summer league, he is going to dominate, what does he do in training camp when Isiah Stewart is banging him and pushing him around, how does he respond to that
In fairness, Stewart likely bodies Obi as well. He has 30+ pounds on him.
Thats true but he is still going to have to prove he can go down low..
He is going to be a good player simply because of the skill he possesses, but if he cant go down low or he is injired a lot ita going to be a major problem
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Beal becomes only the 10th player to have a no trade clause joining LeBron, KG, Melo, Dirk, Kobe, DWade, Duncan, David Robinson and John Stockton.
The contract also has a 15% trade kicker and player option in year 5.
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Beal becomes only the 10th player to have a no trade clause joining LeBron, KG, Melo, Dirk, Kobe, DWade, Duncan, David Robinson and John Stockton.
The contract also has a 15% trade kicker and player option in year 5.
Zion stuff doesn't change a ton other than we won't have to argue over him opting out or not, if he lands in NY it'll be after 5 years or after he forces a trade but that was always likely the case.
Most excited to see Grimes play again. Never seemed right after the patella injury last year.
I really think if he had been allowed to play more, and hadn't missed time to injury, the outlook on this season would feel better.
Cash and a 2nd round pick has been the precedent which I don't imagine the NBA will stray from. I'm hoping they get a 2nd round pick or two from Dallas to do a sign and trade (like Fournier last year) although who knows if Dallas will play ball. Cuban is petty.
Cubans just a bitch who’s in his feelings wanting the Knicks punished. Everyone tampers. Move along with it
And it feels like the Knicks still have a move or two to make.
Will there be a sign-and-trade for Brunson? What are they going to do with Cam. You can't just freeze a young guy on the bench like Thibs did. And Randle usually plays 38 minutes in a Thibs offense. Obi deserves more minutes where will that come from? With Robinson and Hart newly signed it is unlikely they will play a Randle/Toppin front line.
Will the Knicks keep Rose (I hope so) since Jalen/RJ/Fournier will suck up a lot of the guard minutes.
As I understand it, they've already signed Brunson, so I don't think there will be a sign-and-trade. And with Cuban pissed at the Knicks I doubt there will be a trade with the Mavs. I think they keep Randle but agree that with Rob/Hart at C, it's unlikely they'll play a Randle/Toppin front line. So I think Obi's minutes will continue to be an issue.
Most likely to be traded, imv, are Fournier and Reddish. I could see other teams being interested in them.
I thought sign-and-trade meant the player signs with the old team first (on terms agreeable to the new team) and then gets traded. That ship has sailed, no?
Ah, got it - thanks.
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It is impressive, but his % will probably go down a bit in NY. In Dallas he was functionally an off-guard in some possessions when Luka was controlling the ball. As a pure PG, he’ll have a lot more possessions when the ball gets dumped on him with the shot clock running down and he has to hoist a low % shot.
Would a sign-and-trade nullify tampering?
Fundamentally, the original team has to be amenable to the terms of the sign-and-trade, especially when the new team has space to sign the player outright as a FA anyway, right? And a sign-and-trade would provide Dallas with some form of compensation for Brunson. Intuitively, I would assume that a sign-and-trade renders the tampering charge moot, but I have nothing to base that on besides the logic that a sign-and-trade requires - at least nominally - that the player signs with his original team and is traded to his new team subsequently. And thus, if Brunson technically signs a contract with Dallas, and then Dallas enters into a trade agreement with the Knicks of their own volition, there could logically be no tampering.
But, since this is the NBA, where the salary cap isn't a cap, teams can't trade their first-round pick in consecutive years but can trade that same player immediately after selecting them, and future first-round picks can become second-round picks if they take too long to convey, I suspect that a sign-and-trade would in no way alter the allegation of tampering by the Knicks, logic be damned.
But the league is starting to crack down on this more often. In previous cases, I believe the league needed a paper trail (e-mails, texts) in order to prove its case. Not sure if the burden of proof is now lower.
I'm this case, Dallas would give the Knicks a very small asset. Knicks would agree because it costs them nothing. And Dallas get a $20M trade exception. The only downside for the Knicks is that they are then hard capped but that won't matter for them this year.
I'm this case, Dallas would give the Knicks a very small asset. Knicks would agree because it costs them nothing. And Dallas get a $20M trade exception. The only downside for the Knicks is that they are then hard capped but that won't matter for them this year.
True, although I would assume Dallas would be looking for a player to use that space on anyway, so if Fournier (for example) is appealing to the Mavs (in the sense that he's comparable to the sort of player they'd use the exception to acquire anyway), he could be sent to Dallas if they were so inclined, couldn't he? Or would a trade exception be more appealing regardless?
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If they move Randle, bringing back Melo would be fun as the backup 4.
Apparently Melo recently had dinner with Dolan
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I know with connections to athletes in general (not necessarily a Knicks source) said the Knicks were at least "in contact" with Carmelo Anthony. Not that there was any traction or an offer or anything but that they had spoken since FA opened.
If they move Randle, bringing back Melo would be fun as the backup 4.
My complete guess is this was along the lines of what was discussed.
He looked good.
I'm this case, Dallas would give the Knicks a very small asset. Knicks would agree because it costs them nothing. And Dallas get a $20M trade exception. The only downside for the Knicks is that they are then hard capped but that won't matter for them this year.
It's also a hedge against a tampering charge. If the Knicks get a 2nd round pick in this upcoming draft, it's likely that's the pick they would forfeit.
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Opposing executive on Collin Sexton: ‘He has no market’
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Opposing executive on Collin Sexton: ‘He has no market’
I was deathly afraid the Knicks would trade for him last year. He's not good.
Kevin Knox looked good in summer league once.
I know its rare but in his case id prolly take the QO and play out the year as opposed to taking a 4/48 deal or whatever CLE is looking to pay him. I know the risk is huge and 48 mill is a lot of money, but still.
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Opposing executive on Collin Sexton: ‘He has no market’
I was deathly afraid the Knicks would trade for him last year. He's not good.
He's hurt too unless I am mistaken.
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Only summer league but man was Chet impressive
Kevin Knox looked good in summer league once.
Sure and there are dozens of such examples but Holmgren also very much impressed this season in college. Maybe he won't hold up with that build but he and Giddey looked better than any player on that court by a significant margin.
"Chet Holmgren hit 7-of-9 shots, four 3-pointers and 5-of-5 free throws for 23 points, seven rebounds, four assists, one steal and six blocks in Tuesday's 98-77 Summer League win over the Jazz. "
You wont know that in summer league, he is going to dominate, what does he do in training camp when Isiah Stewart is banging him and pushing him around, how does he respond to that
You wont know that in summer league, he is going to dominate, what does he do in training camp when Isiah Stewart is banging him and pushing him around, how does he respond to that
In fairness, Stewart likely bodies Obi as well. He has 30+ pounds on him.
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its can he gain the strength to battle bigs in the NBA, will he be able to handle someone getting physical with him..
You wont know that in summer league, he is going to dominate, what does he do in training camp when Isiah Stewart is banging him and pushing him around, how does he respond to that
In fairness, Stewart likely bodies Obi as well. He has 30+ pounds on him.
Thats true but he is still going to have to prove he can go down low..
He is going to be a good player simply because of the skill he possesses, but if he cant go down low or he is injired a lot ita going to be a major problem
@BobbyMarks42
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Beal becomes only the 10th player to have a no trade clause joining LeBron, KG, Melo, Dirk, Kobe, DWade, Duncan, David Robinson and John Stockton.
The contract also has a 15% trade kicker and player option in year 5.
@BobbyMarks42
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4m
Beal becomes only the 10th player to have a no trade clause joining LeBron, KG, Melo, Dirk, Kobe, DWade, Duncan, David Robinson and John Stockton.
The contract also has a 15% trade kicker and player option in year 5.
They're gonna regret that...
"Beal becomes only the 10th player to have a no trade clause joining LeBron, KG, Melo, Dirk, Kobe, DWade, Duncan, David Robinson and John Stockton"