like the Hartenstein signing. Only issue is with signing Hartenstein , Randle cant play the backup 5 so Obi is now stuck playing his 13 minutes a night unless Randle gets traded
It's enough to draw space. That would never happen with Noel. And he's healthy. Always available. I suspect this experiment to make mitch hit 3s is going nowhere.
Hartenstein is a legitimate candidate for the full non-taxpayer midlevel exception after a breakout year with the Clippers, where he showed himself capable of competent defense and surprisingly effective offense, particularly as a roll man and a passer. He’s only 24 and comes off a season with a 22.0 PER and 66.4 percent true shooting.
In a way, this punishes the Clippers, who resurrected Hartenstein’s career on a one-year minimum deal but have no Bird rights with which to retain him. Their best bet is probably to agree to a one-year deal for the taxpayer MLE with a second-year player option, which would allow the Clippers to keep him on a longer deal next summer with early Bird rights.
They’ll have competition, however, in a market where several teams are looking to use their full MLE to address the center position.
We needed another big. With that said, I wonder where this leaves Sims.
Counting on Sims as your number two center would be a big risk, he will now have to try and earn it. But I bet he gets some minutes.
I don't disagree at all. But my concern is that a lack of minutes will really stunt his growth. As I wrote in the other thread, Sims will be 24 at the beginning of fhe season. He isn't young. And if he is only getting a handful of minutes a night then that completely changes his game as bigs are always over aggressive with minimal minutes as they aren't worried about staying out of foul trouble. And between Mitch, Hartenstein, and Sims, they really only play C, right? If Randle gets moved, would any of them be able to back up Obi?
We needed another big. With that said, I wonder where this leaves Sims.
Counting on Sims as your number two center would be a big risk, he will now have to try and earn it. But I bet he gets some minutes.
I don't disagree at all. But my concern is that a lack of minutes will really stunt his growth. As I wrote in the other thread, Sims will be 24 at the beginning of fhe season. He isn't young. And if he is only getting a handful of minutes a night then that completely changes his game as bigs are always over aggressive with minimal minutes as they aren't worried about staying out of foul trouble. And between Mitch, Hartenstein, and Sims, they really only play C, right? If Randle gets moved, would any of them be able to back up Obi?
We needed another big. With that said, I wonder where this leaves Sims.
Counting on Sims as your number two center would be a big risk, he will now have to try and earn it. But I bet he gets some minutes.
I don't disagree at all. But my concern is that a lack of minutes will really stunt his growth. As I wrote in the other thread, Sims will be 24 at the beginning of fhe season. He isn't young. And if he is only getting a handful of minutes a night then that completely changes his game as bigs are always over aggressive with minimal minutes as they aren't worried about staying out of foul trouble. And between Mitch, Hartenstein, and Sims, they really only play C, right? If Randle gets moved, would any of them be able to back up Obi?
I see Hartenstein giving them the flexibility to move Randle. Can't trade Julius if your only big men are Sims and Mitch.
We needed another big. With that said, I wonder where this leaves Sims.
Counting on Sims as your number two center would be a big risk, he will now have to try and earn it. But I bet he gets some minutes.
I don't disagree at all. But my concern is that a lack of minutes will really stunt his growth. As I wrote in the other thread, Sims will be 24 at the beginning of fhe season. He isn't young. And if he is only getting a handful of minutes a night then that completely changes his game as bigs are always over aggressive with minimal minutes as they aren't worried about staying out of foul trouble. And between Mitch, Hartenstein, and Sims, they really only play C, right? If Randle gets moved, would any of them be able to back up Obi?
I see Hartenstein giving them the flexibility to move Randle. Can't trade Julius if your only big men are Sims and Mitch.
That's good to know. So, Hartenstein might be like a Taj type to have some flexibility?
We needed another big. With that said, I wonder where this leaves Sims.
Counting on Sims as your number two center would be a big risk, he will now have to try and earn it. But I bet he gets some minutes.
I don't disagree at all. But my concern is that a lack of minutes will really stunt his growth. As I wrote in the other thread, Sims will be 24 at the beginning of fhe season. He isn't young. And if he is only getting a handful of minutes a night then that completely changes his game as bigs are always over aggressive with minimal minutes as they aren't worried about staying out of foul trouble. And between Mitch, Hartenstein, and Sims, they really only play C, right? If Randle gets moved, would any of them be able to back up Obi?
Hate to say it, but Sims is good Mitch insurance.
I actually think Simms will be better than Mitch and soon
Very randomly, quasi jokingly tweeted about Hartenstein dating back to 2017, and how big his upside was.. and now he’s here lol
"so after all of this...
Italianju : 7/25/2017 7:30 am : link
watch us just end up with the harkless, Leonard, Hartenstein crap we thought we were getting a week or so ago."
As Meat Loaf once said, "two outta three ain't bad" Link - ( New Window )
From the grammar or spelling police but because it can be confusing the Knicks actually have Aamir Simms and Jericho Sims. I assume you mean Sims but just making sure.
Very randomly, quasi jokingly tweeted about Hartenstein dating back to 2017, and how big his upside was.. and now he’s here lol
"so after all of this...
Italianju : 7/25/2017 7:30 am : link
watch us just end up with the harkless, Leonard, Hartenstein crap we thought we were getting a week or so ago."
As Meat Loaf once said, "two outta three ain't bad" Link - ( New Window )
Very randomly, quasi jokingly tweeted about Hartenstein dating back to 2017, and how big his upside was.. and now he’s here lol
"so after all of this...
Italianju : 7/25/2017 7:30 am : link
watch us just end up with the harkless, Leonard, Hartenstein crap we thought we were getting a week or so ago."
As Meat Loaf once said, "two outta three ain't bad" Link - ( New Window )
We were literally hoping for Hartenstein and Qi from the Rockets in a Melo trade. That's how pathetic it was. Haha
Very randomly, quasi jokingly tweeted about Hartenstein dating back to 2017, and how big his upside was.. and now he’s here lol
"so after all of this...
Italianju : 7/25/2017 7:30 am : link
watch us just end up with the harkless, Leonard, Hartenstein crap we thought we were getting a week or so ago."
As Meat Loaf once said, "two outta three ain't bad" Link - ( New Window )
I used to get really into following these random euro or hyped HS guys and Hartenstein was one of them. His highlight videos from Germany were fun and I just liked his overall game. I felt pretty dumb when he went round 2 and floated around the league but it’ll be fun to have him on the knicks
RE: I'd love to see Grimes start and Fournier go to the second unit
Both Grimes and IQ are going to be behind them on the depth chart and are also going to only get 15-20 minutes a night like Toppin. Knicks really need to get rid of 1 of Rose or Fournier to open up minutes for the young players
RE: Aside from Randle, this is also the problem with still having
Both Grimes and IQ are going to be behind them on the depth chart and are also going to only get 15-20 minutes a night like Toppin. Knicks really need to get rid of 1 of Rose or Fournier to open up minutes for the young players
I get your concern but Grimes and Fournier can play the 3 too so it isn't as clogged as say PF with Randle and Obi.
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Yep! Good signing
46% from 3.....Ill take 3 of those please
14/30... not a really good sample size there
It's enough to draw space. That would never happen with Noel. And he's healthy. Always available. I suspect this experiment to make mitch hit 3s is going nowhere.
Counting on Sims as your number two center would be a big risk, he will now have to try and earn it. But I bet he gets some minutes.
Thata gotta be next because right now, no minutes for Toppin
A lot of people love this guy. Weird. Never broke 20 minutes in a season yet.
It’s not Christmas so this might take a little longer.
Can Hartenstein hit a bigger number of threes??
It’s only a few milly more than Beal, who’s won exactly zero MVPs. GOD bless ‘em both though.
In a way, this punishes the Clippers, who resurrected Hartenstein’s career on a one-year minimum deal but have no Bird rights with which to retain him. Their best bet is probably to agree to a one-year deal for the taxpayer MLE with a second-year player option, which would allow the Clippers to keep him on a longer deal next summer with early Bird rights.
They’ll have competition, however, in a market where several teams are looking to use their full MLE to address the center position.
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We needed another big. With that said, I wonder where this leaves Sims.
Counting on Sims as your number two center would be a big risk, he will now have to try and earn it. But I bet he gets some minutes.
I don't disagree at all. But my concern is that a lack of minutes will really stunt his growth. As I wrote in the other thread, Sims will be 24 at the beginning of fhe season. He isn't young. And if he is only getting a handful of minutes a night then that completely changes his game as bigs are always over aggressive with minimal minutes as they aren't worried about staying out of foul trouble. And between Mitch, Hartenstein, and Sims, they really only play C, right? If Randle gets moved, would any of them be able to back up Obi?
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We needed another big. With that said, I wonder where this leaves Sims.
Counting on Sims as your number two center would be a big risk, he will now have to try and earn it. But I bet he gets some minutes.
I don't disagree at all. But my concern is that a lack of minutes will really stunt his growth. As I wrote in the other thread, Sims will be 24 at the beginning of fhe season. He isn't young. And if he is only getting a handful of minutes a night then that completely changes his game as bigs are always over aggressive with minimal minutes as they aren't worried about staying out of foul trouble. And between Mitch, Hartenstein, and Sims, they really only play C, right? If Randle gets moved, would any of them be able to back up Obi?
Hate to say it, but Sims is good Mitch insurance.
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Baby! Big Hartenstein fan. Love this move.
A lot of people love this guy. Weird. Never broke 20 minutes in a season yet.
Clippers fans were annoyed that he didn’t get more PT. As Knick fans we can certainly relate to that feeling with a young player
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We needed another big. With that said, I wonder where this leaves Sims.
Counting on Sims as your number two center would be a big risk, he will now have to try and earn it. But I bet he gets some minutes.
I don't disagree at all. But my concern is that a lack of minutes will really stunt his growth. As I wrote in the other thread, Sims will be 24 at the beginning of fhe season. He isn't young. And if he is only getting a handful of minutes a night then that completely changes his game as bigs are always over aggressive with minimal minutes as they aren't worried about staying out of foul trouble. And between Mitch, Hartenstein, and Sims, they really only play C, right? If Randle gets moved, would any of them be able to back up Obi?
I see Hartenstein giving them the flexibility to move Randle. Can't trade Julius if your only big men are Sims and Mitch.
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We needed another big. With that said, I wonder where this leaves Sims.
Counting on Sims as your number two center would be a big risk, he will now have to try and earn it. But I bet he gets some minutes.
I don't disagree at all. But my concern is that a lack of minutes will really stunt his growth. As I wrote in the other thread, Sims will be 24 at the beginning of fhe season. He isn't young. And if he is only getting a handful of minutes a night then that completely changes his game as bigs are always over aggressive with minimal minutes as they aren't worried about staying out of foul trouble. And between Mitch, Hartenstein, and Sims, they really only play C, right? If Randle gets moved, would any of them be able to back up Obi?
I see Hartenstein giving them the flexibility to move Randle. Can't trade Julius if your only big men are Sims and Mitch.
That's good to know. So, Hartenstein might be like a Taj type to have some flexibility?
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We needed another big. With that said, I wonder where this leaves Sims.
Counting on Sims as your number two center would be a big risk, he will now have to try and earn it. But I bet he gets some minutes.
I don't disagree at all. But my concern is that a lack of minutes will really stunt his growth. As I wrote in the other thread, Sims will be 24 at the beginning of fhe season. He isn't young. And if he is only getting a handful of minutes a night then that completely changes his game as bigs are always over aggressive with minimal minutes as they aren't worried about staying out of foul trouble. And between Mitch, Hartenstein, and Sims, they really only play C, right? If Randle gets moved, would any of them be able to back up Obi?
Hate to say it, but Sims is good Mitch insurance.
I actually think Simms will be better than Mitch and soon
I actually think Simms will be better than Mitch and soon
Based on what?
-Heat writer who is verified but I don’t recognize says they have made a trade offer for Mitchell
"so after all of this...
Italianju : 7/25/2017 7:30 am : link
watch us just end up with the harkless, Leonard, Hartenstein crap we thought we were getting a week or so ago."
As Meat Loaf once said, "two outta three ain't bad"
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Very randomly, quasi jokingly tweeted about Hartenstein dating back to 2017, and how big his upside was.. and now he’s here lol
"so after all of this...
Italianju : 7/25/2017 7:30 am : link
watch us just end up with the harkless, Leonard, Hartenstein crap we thought we were getting a week or so ago."
As Meat Loaf once said, "two outta three ain't bad" Link - ( New Window )
HA!
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Very randomly, quasi jokingly tweeted about Hartenstein dating back to 2017, and how big his upside was.. and now he’s here lol
"so after all of this...
Italianju : 7/25/2017 7:30 am : link
watch us just end up with the harkless, Leonard, Hartenstein crap we thought we were getting a week or so ago."
As Meat Loaf once said, "two outta three ain't bad" Link - ( New Window )
We were literally hoping for Hartenstein and Qi from the Rockets in a Melo trade. That's how pathetic it was. Haha
Really?
Yeah and probably asking for multiple 1st round picks as part of the return
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As part of trade package for Mitchell
Really?
That’s what’s on Twitter right now from a heat insider
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Very randomly, quasi jokingly tweeted about Hartenstein dating back to 2017, and how big his upside was.. and now he’s here lol
"so after all of this...
Italianju : 7/25/2017 7:30 am : link
watch us just end up with the harkless, Leonard, Hartenstein crap we thought we were getting a week or so ago."
As Meat Loaf once said, "two outta three ain't bad" Link - ( New Window )
I used to get really into following these random euro or hyped HS guys and Hartenstein was one of them. His highlight videos from Germany were fun and I just liked his overall game. I felt pretty dumb when he went round 2 and floated around the league but it’ll be fun to have him on the knicks
Starting brunson and Fournier is a defensive mess.
Grimes or Quickley or a stronger defender has to be there. Grimes showed advanced defensive play pretty early.
I'd rather have Grimes start a d IQ with the second team and overlap with Brunson. Who is leading the 2nd unit? Rose? McBride?
Seems like there would have to be a lot more there than just Herro and picks for Donovan Mitchell.
Both Grimes and IQ are going to be behind them on the depth chart and are also going to only get 15-20 minutes a night like Toppin. Knicks really need to get rid of 1 of Rose or Fournier to open up minutes for the young players
Both Grimes and IQ are going to be behind them on the depth chart and are also going to only get 15-20 minutes a night like Toppin. Knicks really need to get rid of 1 of Rose or Fournier to open up minutes for the young players
I get your concern but Grimes and Fournier can play the 3 too so it isn't as clogged as say PF with Randle and Obi.
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I'd rather have Grimes start a d IQ with the second team and overlap with Brunson. Who is leading the 2nd unit? Rose? McBride?
Rose was the reason we made the playoffs two years ago. I wouldn't sleep on him in that role.
The Joker has to be the best second round pick ever right?